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10-22-2004 02:27 AM  13 years agoPost 1
kyrotorhead

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Does any one know if the results are back on Jerry's helicopter crash, I figured they would know something be now.

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10-22-2004 02:32 AM  13 years agoPost 2
Alan Szabo Sr

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10-22-2004 11:41 AM  13 years agoPost 3
GM1

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Last I heard

The last time I talked to Jerry, apparently the drive gear for the magneto failed and threw the motor out of time. At 75 ft and 40 mph, it's a miracle that they were not seriously injured or even killed.
Gordie

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10-22-2004 03:00 PM  13 years agoPost 4
jb_turner

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"im sure the ama wont allow full scale anymore due to liabilitys on their part...."

What say does AMA have over full scale?

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10-22-2004 03:47 PM  13 years agoPost 5
GM1

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Bell 47

The Bell 47 had just finished total restoration and had been basically zero timed which is why he had only 60 hrs in it. Personally I think he did a heck of a job to only destroy the 47 and not himself.
Gordie

On a dog sled team, if you're not the lead dog, the view never changes.

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10-22-2004 11:03 PM  13 years agoPost 6
nighttrain

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Bell 47

Talking to other pilots who have flown these, they are very unforgiving in an auto. It sounds like he did a great job w / a poor situation, judged by people who have flown similar helos. I've flown some full scale and an auto is much more of a "real" emergency than in models. The vast majority of eng failure autos end in terrible crashes - not ones where all occupants walk away. Hats off to Jerry. Doug Trent

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10-23-2004 12:24 AM  13 years agoPost 7
wsteve

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I think AMA could ban full scales from R/C events if they wanted to. But I feel that it is the responsibility on the aircraft owner to provide proof of liability insurance to the property owner before allowing the aircraft to land. I believe that as long as safety precautions are taken to keep the prefroming aircarft safety away from the spectators the chance of a inccdent is quite minor. I'm sure more people are injured or killed sitting in there house each year from an aircarft falling from the sky than at any full scale airshows or R/C events. I think most full scale pilots are skilled enough to evaluate the field before landing and I don't believe any pilot would risk his aircraft, himself or any spectators if he felt it was not safe.

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10-23-2004 04:16 AM  13 years agoPost 8
dkshema

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ctseaplane

so you've NEVER seen an RC model flown at a full-scale airshow?

Dave

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10-23-2004 05:40 AM  13 years agoPost 9
fritzthecat

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Sorry, I think full scale helis at RC flyins are just great. Don't you get tired of hour after hour of 3d wannabe Curtis pilots flip flopping all over the sky?
I was at the Flyin in Houston. They had 3 full scale news choppers there. They came at noon, had lunch and left a hour later after we had a chance to check out all the neat gear. Total down time for flying was less than 10 minutes total. When leaving they did a 5 minute flyby. I've never seen a full scale doing a funnel manouver before so I was very happy for the "interruption."

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10-23-2004 06:36 AM  13 years agoPost 10
clearsky

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Sorry, I must chime in.Full scale do NOT belong at RC modell events!
If I know prior to my attending that full scale aircraft will be mixed in for
demonstration during the event then I would choose not to attend.No
matter how well planed theese activites are every year there are disasters.At one time I used to frequent theese shows (full scale) but stoped
attending many years ago, reason well I witnessed two accidents which ended in the loss of life.
As I posted once before if they choose to intergrate full scale at IRCHA then I and my son will not attend. We travel quite a distance at
no small expense to just fly and watch others fly their helis.

Fritz watis wrong with
Quote (hour after hour of 3d wannabe Curtis pilots flip flopping all over the sky). Isn't that what it's all about ! .... Bob

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10-23-2004 09:05 AM  13 years agoPost 11
fritzthecat

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It's a matter of ORM / Risk asessment. A lot of people have died on the road I travel on everyday. Yet I still drive. I worked on aircraft all my life, almost died several times, yet I still work on them. You are much safer at the airshow than driving on the road to the show. We are not talking about a full blown aerobatics demonstration. In Houston they came in, circled the field and landed. We checked out the helis and then they took off again. One heli did a simulated auto and a few nose in turns. The other demonstrated an emergency stop. Then they left. It was an enjoyable 5 minute show. I felt much safer with the full size than with the Curtis wannabes pushing the envelope 5 feet in front of their and my face.

Yes, funflys are about flying. But, once you've seen one badly executed piro-flip, the next 50 get to be a bit monotonous.

Fritz


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10-23-2004 02:10 PM  13 years agoPost 12
dariof

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This man did an excellent job in saving his life and the life of his passsenger. My hat is off to him, and I would fly with him anytime.

60 hours in type and 500 hours total is not any type of an issue as mentioned in an earlier post. He did everything properly (especially given his altitude/speed) and is around to talk about it because he did .

As far as fullscale at an RC event, it is obvious the post is going that direction. Should be interesting.

Take care,
Dario
CFI-AI-MEI
ATP

Best Regards, Dario

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10-23-2004 06:43 PM  13 years agoPost 13
Fullagas

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I hope most of us aren't so narrow-minded that we can't continue the occasional full-scale doing a fly-by at a model show. Nothing wrong with Jerry's flying, done with the organizer's approval, and I understand he didn't do any 'stunt' flying. He had an engine-out while departing, handled it very well, and very little risk to the attendees. He's to be commended, not debated as is now going on.

I've seen RC at full-scale airshows, and vice-versa. The modellers were scarier, by far!

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Flying helis since gyros had springs.

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10-23-2004 10:25 PM  13 years agoPost 14
Steve Campbell

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<<...the Curtis wannabes pushing the envelope five feet in front of their and my face...>>

Well said, Fritz.

That is exactly why I don't go to fun flys anymore.

And you are SO right about being safer at a full-scale fly-in than on the road to and from.

Some of you guys need to think again...

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10-24-2004 12:32 AM  13 years agoPost 15
Bonsai

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I like many others here on RR are certified pilots. And I do take offense to people who think that its all risk and no joy. I bet any amount of money that you have seen hundereds of car accidents where some one has died...Did you stop driving too?
Dean

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10-24-2004 12:55 AM  13 years agoPost 16
John Caryl

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Is Jerry Conley going to run a Christmas special this year for Runryder members?

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10-24-2004 01:06 AM  13 years agoPost 17
warner11

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You have to look at the whole picture. Some pilots/spectators enjoy the full scale doing things that they would not normally do or see at an airport. If you have ever been to a fun fly where the field is shut down for too close, too dangerous, over the flight line 3D demos, then you can appreciate the fact that a full scale is no more dangerous.

A pilot doing in your face tic tocs, in your flight box, can lose an elevator servo, a full scale can lose a cylinder, and your car can lose its brakes.Life is full of risks. Full scales offer a change of scenery, too many cowboys doing reckless 3D, trying to emulate a Curtis video can be down right scary. When is the last time you were at a fun fly and a full scale was attempting a piroetting hurricane,lost its aft cyclic, almost hit you on the flight line, and crashed in the pits

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10-24-2004 01:10 AM  13 years agoPost 18
AirWolfRC

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It always disturbs me that there are so many people that pass judgement on a situation that they know little to nothing about. I have been a certified commercial pilot for over 30 years and I find nothing wrong other than the bad luck of unforseen circumstance.

In other words, shi* happens so get over it and move on.

Wolfgang

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10-24-2004 01:52 AM  13 years agoPost 19
Bonsai

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I Agree!

If your gonna Crash.. make it look Good

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10-24-2004 02:16 AM  13 years agoPost 20
dadman

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I was at IRCHA this year and had the opportunity to see Jerry's heli I thought it was great to see the real thing fly and compare it to the other model scale helis. I would love to try to build a scale this winter and bring it to IRCHA next year. I hope to see all kinds of helis at a fun fly, as for those that wont show up because of them you'll be missed

dadman

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