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10-21-2004 05:48 PM  13 years agoPost 1
dankers

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Just looking in to a Raven 50, starting doing glow again and would like a second ship.

Kinda put off with a lot of the cheerleading here though, Century above everything else... Just freaky. Does buying a Century heli turn you in to some weirdo brand loyality guy?

The Raven does look great, it seems passed over whne people evaluate 50 size helis, the only issue I have is no part support in Australia unless someone knows different? Currently own a Century Hummer CP though and will be getting parts direct from Century for that so its no biggy.

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10-21-2004 06:10 PM  13 years agoPost 2
BC Don

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I'm in Canada, parts supply is better, some folks actually have items in stock (but usually not what you want). I order some directly from Century (Heli World) as well, depending upon how soon I need them, if I can get them locally and how the Canadian dollar is doing.

I went with Century because:

1) My son did a ton of research and bought a Raven. I did "some" research, came to the same conclusion and ordered one.

2) I also bought a Hawk Sport kit because I couldn't want to wait for the Raven to come in. The Hawk Sport may not be the best beginner bird out there but it is the cheapest by a couple of hundred dollars (in kit form with radio, gyro, servoes etc.) than anything else.

3) This is a Century forum so you'll hear lots of positive comments. Interestingly enough, vendor specific forums often turn into real bitch areas when there are problems - I don't see a lot of that.

4) Finally, when you end up spending a few thousand dollars (or whatever it ends up being), you do tend to blindly support your choice (after all you are in it for some substantial cash).

5) Oh and I guess one other thing, the more that we converts can convince the uneducated masses that buying Century is the way to go, the more money Century makes, the more products they release, the better their inventory is etc. etc. etc. - all to the benefit of existing Century owners.

Got Money? Send it to me, I'm a Heli Addict.

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10-21-2004 06:38 PM  13 years agoPost 3
blockatvalpo

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I wouldn't say it is a brand loyalty once you buy one. I had a Hawk Sport and loved it. I did find it harder to repair than my raptor, but that isn't a big deal. Building is half the fun. For a while Century had bad bad service. They are much better now. I remember when people posted about them and no one wanted to order a thing because of problems that "other" people had. Word of mouth can be dangerous, but it has also helped them lately since more and more people are buying the Hawk Sport.

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10-21-2004 06:44 PM  13 years agoPost 4
oldfart

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As the owner of the company that distributes Century products to the retail stores in Canada I will not comment on the Raven, as my opinion (that it is the cats meow in the 50 class) may be considered to be biased

But I will address the question you posed relating to the enthusiastic brand loyalty.

"Kinda put off with a lot of the cheerleading here though, Century above everything else... Just freaky. Does buying a Century heli turn you in to some weirdo brand loyality guy?"

You may find after owning and flying one that you may become such a cheerleader also

And your very astute statement "The Raven does look great, it seems passed over when people evaluate 50 size helis..," is a partial answer to the enthusiastic cheerleading at times. I guess it is human nature to cheer so when one discovers any type of product that is a stand out value and yet seems to be omitted by the mainstream.

IMHO, this is because Century themselves have dedicated so much of their "front page" initially promoting the Hawk entry level heli. Then they did likewise for the Hummer and Predator, and most (not all) of their Team Century flyers do so for the Predator MAX and Gasser. Consequently the general R/C helicopter public have not seen the Raven step out of the shadow to be counted all on its own.

Phil

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10-21-2004 10:06 PM  13 years agoPost 5
RICH.L

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i started with a hawk sport because it was cheap and cheap to repair.
i was looking into a raptor just because a lot of people own them,and i hear they are also cheap to repair.
i was going to get a raptor next and try that,but a used raven fifty kit kind of fell in my lap.
so i will build it fly it and of course crash it,probably as much my hawk sport.
i do like the easy repairs on my hawk,and i crashed probably six times this year with an average repair of about 70 to eighty dollars.
rich

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10-21-2004 10:12 PM  13 years agoPost 6
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dankers,,, cheerleading LOL, funny how the term cheerleading was brut forth from a bashing troller LOL,,, you could call me a cheerleader, what can I say, it's kind of hard to reply to a post such as this one without cheering LOL, but believe me there are more Raptor cheerleaders than there are Century cheerleaders,,, if you go back and read some of those long bashing posts on the Century page and then read the post in the link below then maybe you will understand better,,, yet with all the past Century bashing in the last 3 years I have not had any of the problems with my Falcon that have been mentioned in this link, one reply in the link went as far to say every 3 or 4 months the guy had to replace $100 in worn parts on his Raptor, but he was OK with that, yet people bash Century, it's kind of ironic, go figure...

http://runryder.com/helicopter/t134041p1/

Jim

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10-21-2004 10:12 PM  13 years agoPost 7
Gearhead

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get ready for the bashing LOL

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10-21-2004 11:26 PM  13 years agoPost 8
airfoil

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New Berlin, WI

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I own a Hawk Sport, A Raptor 30 and a Evo 50. The Hawk is a great machine, The Raptor flys the same as the Hawk. The Evo is awesome. I really don't know what all the hype is about the Raptors. When I bought it I vowed to myself I would not become one of the those wacko die hard Raptor lovers that has to bash every other brand. And I haven't. To tell you the truth I really like all my Helis. They are all fun. I can't wait for my next one. A Raven 50.

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10-22-2004 02:56 AM  13 years agoPost 9
dankers

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Thank you so much for the replies! I guess if I get in trouble with this Raven, I might be able to get some help

I don 't know if I'll ever become a cheerleader but it does seem weird that what looks like a great heli is passed over in people's choices. Here in Aus, I understand it as nobody flies them and nobody sells them.

I have a rappy 50 and its ok, its good and I like it but its just a raptor. I had a rappy 30v1 5 years ago and I could kinda understand the hype then as it was a good heli for the price. Over here we call them the Thunder Tiger clitorious because ever cu*t has one.

Why the cheerleading worried me is that I like objectivity, every heli has problems but if they are hyped then the problems get covered up a bit.

I like the rappy vs evo thread because its honest. People have chosen their heli and there is a finacial as well as emotional investment and to go against that and tell people honest opinion is good in my eyes. What isn't good is outright bashing of a product and a company either, that just isn't constructive.

Well, better go and order my Raven.

Going for the OS 50 Hyper + Futaba digi servos all round.

Again thanks for the feedback.

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10-22-2004 07:23 AM  13 years agoPost 10
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OK,,, out of the box the Raptor and Evo have a more powerful tail than the Raven, the Raptor and Evo may be a simpler designed helis with less parts, do I feel the Raptor and Evo are more capable 3Ders than the Falcon, yes, but not the Raven,,,,,, but as good as my Falcon has held up in the last 3 years I have to say that's where it all ends,,,

I could be wrong but I feel one of the biggest reasions why the Raven is over looked so much now, is do to the older Hawk's, because back then when 3D was very new, the Raptor with it's quicker cyclic and more powerful tail was a more capable 3Ding heli than the older Hawk's, and rather the pilot can 3D or not that is what people want, a more capable 3Ding heli,,,

I will never forget 1 of the very first post's that I read on RR (all most 3 years ago), it went something like this,,, (every heli will do something better than the next, and it will feel different than yours, and if you do fly the next heli there will be something about it you like better than your own heli, but that's the hobby).


Jim

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10-22-2004 11:11 AM  13 years agoPost 11
beavis1

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Hey Tom !!!

Tom is in the house !!

Good to hear from you on the forums !!!

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10-22-2004 02:11 PM  13 years agoPost 12
Trace

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Wildwood, MO

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Dankers,

Check out the link for some combos on Raven 50's some people are running.

Raven Info

I think what you'll find, is most people who own and fly Ravens ended up there after doing some research and finding out that it is very robust, almost bulletproof, flies well, and still allows the pilot to tailor the feel of the head to their liking.

When I bought my first CP heli, I researched all of the brands, and came to the conclusion that the Century Helis were the best bang for the buck. I then stumbled upon a little used Falcon SE V1 for a steal and snatched it up. The previous owner didn't like the way it flew, and I found out after I received it, that he had built a few things incorrectly. I tore it down and built it back up and it flew great. When I pounded it in beyond all recognition a year later, I didn't hesistate to buy the Raven 50 to replace it. I built it right the first time and it is just a fuel and fly bird.

If you give it a fair chance and build it with care, you won't be disappointed.

Trace

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10-22-2004 03:10 PM  13 years agoPost 13
concept1

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Ok well, here is my thoughts on the Raptor, OOh I just got a Raptor 50V2 and now have about 1 gallon off fuel through it. the past 3 years I had been flying century, before that I had a excell, kyosho concepts and I have had 2 Raptor 30 v1's which I never got more then a few flights on because they never compared to the Hawk Se I had at the time.

the Raptor is a very nice flying heli, very quick. But it is no way as durable as the Falcon/Raven. so far to get my Raptor to compare to my Falcon, I am looking at about $150 in metal upgrades, washout assembly, head block, seesaw arms, and that still leaves me with the 3mm flybar.
out of the box the raptor will out fly the Falcon. 1 gallon later parts wear out, their is so much slop in the head I can't stand it, but it still flies very well, If I never had a century heli, I would assume this was normal, it does not hold it's tracking as well do to the slop, the Falcon was faster in FFF and flew like it was on rails, the Raven needs $30 in upgrades for good 3d, long balls on swash and paddles, the raptor needs $200 for metal upgrades for durability to compare, but will 3d right from the box. the kits run about the same so do the math.......now I am going to keep the Raptor for the winter with these upgrades and see how it does. it has allowed me to do things I could not do with my Falcon because of it's quicker cycilics, but I believe the Raven will have equal cyclic responce. I have had several problems with the Raptor, that are unexceptable for my std's for a heli, but I really wanted to give it a go and I do consider myself non-biased. I had done a comparison a few years ago on crash costs between the raptor 30V1 and Hawk se, parts were cheaper on the Raptor, but more parts busted, so the Hawk came out ahead, which is why I got into flying century 3 years ago. both are good heli's, but I don't see how anyone can say the Raptor is better, just different, deffinatly not cheaper. and I invite anyone to give both a honest try.

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