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10-20-2004 10:32 PM  13 years agoPost 1
hidero-h

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HI - this is my question i would like to know if it is possible to set up my r50 with too much elivator,?it is set with 85%-60%( dr ) rite now,i would like to avoid a boom strike while doing hard 3D stuff i have seen mid-air boom strikes before , yes it is fun to watch as with lots of crackling noises and parts raining from the sky....

yahh cool..
glad it was not me.!!

NO it has not happeded to me but i had my elivator set to only 60 %.
iam looking for stationary rolls, not... oh look he can "loop" it.

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10-20-2004 11:27 PM  13 years agoPost 2
Al Magaloff

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It's best to use a pitch gauge to set cyclic pitch. 6º-7º is a good figure.

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10-20-2004 11:36 PM  13 years agoPost 3
Wa11banger

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Hidero sorry to bust into your post Im not trying to steal it

Al,
Is that much cyclic going to make it flip faster? harder? I currently have 5degrees since I was worried about the same issue "boomstrike" but it does feel a bit doggy in stationary flips. I also have only 5degrees set for aileron as well. Would the combination of +-10 degrees pitch, 7 degrees cyclic and roll still prohibit a boomstrike under normal conditions.. I know through bad collective management just about anything is possible I just didnt want to go to far and cause one by having too much throw

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10-20-2004 11:58 PM  13 years agoPost 4
blakka_1

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i run 10+- pitch with 7 degrees of pitch on the cyclics with stock plastic head, i do run red dampers though. flies like a dream, i havent had a mid air boomstrike with this setup yet, i have been running this setup for about 6months now.

red dampers are a must though.

6.5 on cyclics is great
7 is rapid
8 is too much

i tried 8 and i could get the headspeed to really drop ( and thats with a tj pro )

with red dampers and 7 degrees cyclic pitch you will have a killer 3d setup as well as being in the safe zone.

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10-21-2004 12:01 AM  13 years agoPost 5
blakka_1

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again colin shows us that he knows his stuff

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10-21-2004 01:03 AM  13 years agoPost 6
Wa11banger

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Ok, Im safe there I have the reds in already and a metal head.. So that should be covered. I will put on a new servo horn and go to 7 and see what I can shake up more the heli or me lol

Thanks for the input guys
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10-21-2004 01:54 AM  13 years agoPost 7
Wa11banger

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Hmm.. I run the reds in a 30 and a 50 and I do get the wobbles but only under 1600rpm.. Above that its all smooth..

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10-21-2004 02:20 AM  13 years agoPost 8
Mike Wilson

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I run the red dampners as well and am running about 7.5 deg of cyclic pitch. You will need to be careful with the metal head that you choose if you want to achieve cyclic pitch above 6 deg without binding. I upgraded from the plastic head to the the TT metal head and could not achieve my desired evevator cyclic pitch because the rods going to the bell mixers would touch the head. I also upgraded to the metal oval control arms and that too limited my aileron cyclic pitch. In the end I went to the Quick UK metal head which is shaped a lot like the stock plastic head and I have no issues achieving 8 deg cyclic pitch. I also went back to the stock plastic oval control arms and I was able to resolve the binding for my aileron cyclic pitch.

This heli is now an aggressive 3D machine and I enjoy flying it. I can't wait for the new upgrades that I have on order (620mm blades, longer boom and belt, OMG ) .


...led

Teambob00

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10-21-2004 02:24 AM  13 years agoPost 9
Al Magaloff

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Rick, yeah 5º is really short. At 10.5mm out on the servo arm, you should see 7º with ATV's around 100/100. Don't be afraid to crank up the headspeed with your set-up. I agree on the dampeners.

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10-21-2004 02:28 AM  13 years agoPost 10
Wa11banger

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Thanks all I appreciate the input..

Al,

I am at 100% ATV and exactly 10.5 out on the servo arm and only get 5. Is there another part that is adjustable to achieve higher or do I need to come out on the servo arm?

Also, I run 1650 in Normal, 1850 in ID1, and 1950 in ID2 is that far enough up or should I go more lol?

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10-21-2004 02:30 AM  13 years agoPost 11
Al Magaloff

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No that's nice.

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10-21-2004 02:47 AM  13 years agoPost 12
blakka_1

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when i put my balls out 10.5mm from the center i was getting crazy amounts of cyclic, like 9 and 9.5. i had to drill out some holes that where closer to the servo center in order to achieve 6.5 and 7 degrees of cyclic pitch.

then again i am running hitec 635hb's the servo travel must be slightly more then your futaba servos, my thats the reason why i was getting 9 degrees of cyclic pitch at 100/100, 10.5 from center

wha do you think Al

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10-21-2004 02:52 AM  13 years agoPost 13
Al Magaloff

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Could very well be. I'm sure all servos don't travel the same. Try setting up eCCPM for an illustration of that!

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