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10-20-2004 08:12 PM  13 years agoPost 1
Simple Simon

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Hi,

I have a hawk sport with a CSM180 gyro and a cheap Futaba S3001 (tail mounted) running the tail . I have been flying for only about 6 months and wanted to do more with my XTR simulator but the sim (using a Raptor 30) the tail seems so much quicker. Its really hard flying the hawk after as it seems to be so slow to respond in the tail (I have had it checked and all is ok). I have also been told the sim works with a Heading Hold Gyro lock system which makes a big difference.

Being a bit mad in the head, I ordered the following parts for my hawk to try and speed up the tail.
Torque Tube Drive upgrade
Futaba S9405
and a CSM ICG400 Gyro

I have a few question that I hope someone might be able to help me with before I trying installing these bits and find I have to take them off afterwards:-
Will they all work together? (fingers crossed)
Will it be easy for me to set up with a Futaba 8 channel FP-R138OF and a T7CP (the manual looks double Dutch to me, lol).
How do you change from Conventional to Heading Hold, is this done in flight or before take off.
I have also read that the CSM should be placed out front on the battery tray, but there is no room up there. My CSM180 is on the floor behind the engine at the moment, any photos on where to mount the 400 would be a great help, would be good to know that I mounted it the right way to start.

I am going to book some lessons in the UK soon, and wanted to learn with it set up more like the simulator so I can practice more. At the moment I'm flying and learning the hard way, by myself.

I would be very grateful for any help.

many thanks
Simon

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10-20-2004 08:30 PM  13 years agoPost 2
blockatvalpo

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Simon, I had a Hawk about a year ago. The TT is well worth it. You will enjoy not having to worry about the tail drive. The only downside is if you crash it adds up. But since you have been flying for a bit you should be fine. Just take your time and get it in the tail right. I found it to be a pain. The gyro and servo will be fine together. I have used them, I just looked at the specs for them online. The gyro will be an upgrade and you will love it. I don't think you needed to upgrade in order to get a quicker tail. I could be wrong, but you should have to just go into the menu and go to the rudder trvl adjust. That controls the piro rate. The faster servo will help out though. I used to have a 3001 with a 401 before upgrading and it allowed my tail to move pretty fast just by doing that. It will be fairly easy to set up. Just remember which channel you plug the control part of the gyro into. That is the channel that will turn hh on and off. Usually is the gear or rudder dual rate switch (speaking from JR stuff). I made a plate that went right behing the main shaft. It went right about the tail boom mount. Kinda like the raptor has. It is safer up front though. There have been a couple posting on where to mount it. Just do a quick search. Some have made a tray to mount it on. I learned by myself and then I found some people to help me. Having others there really helps, you kinda push yourself to do more than hover. The Sim in your friend I still get on mine, to bad i won't do everything i do on there in real life.

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10-21-2004 05:12 PM  13 years agoPost 3
Simple Simon

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thanks for the reply blockatvalpo.

When do I turn on and off the HH on the gyro? Is there an easy way to tell if its on or off (is there a light on the gyro to tell you.) Must be hard to set up with the radio if you don't know if your turning it on or off on the right switch.

many thanks for your time
Simon

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10-21-2004 05:54 PM  13 years agoPost 4
oldfart

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tail response

Simple Simon,

If you were to remove the gyro from the tail on your Hawk you would find its piro rate would be blinding. What that means is that the slow piro rate you are experiencing would be the same with any other heli using the gyro you are using set up the same way. Your problem is not in the tail rotor system but in the gyro/tail rotor set up.

To save myself a lot of typing please check out the "gyro" article on our site in the hints and tips section.

http://www.leisuretech.ca

Understanding gyros and how they work will help you set up your Hawk (even with the yaw rate CSM 180) a lot better.

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10-21-2004 06:34 PM  13 years agoPost 5
blockatvalpo

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Most gyros have a red light that flashes (non-hh) and stays solid (hh). When you get it, the manual has all the different means of different flashes. It isn't hard to set-up, just takes a little bit of time to get it right, since this is your first time. once you get it, you will be able to do it without really thinking. I have two 401's and the second one went fine, the manual was still in the package. Just remember what channels have what plugged in and think about what you are doing. If you rush you forget. Might as well do it right the first time so you don't have to search for the problem later.

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10-21-2004 07:11 PM  13 years agoPost 6
Simple Simon

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thanks guys,

all seems to make sense, I will try and install tonight, and will keep you updated maybe after the weekend, if the weather is good!!!!

thanks very much
Simon

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10-21-2004 11:53 PM  13 years agoPost 7
airfoil

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Sorry

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10-25-2004 08:25 PM  13 years agoPost 8
Simple Simon

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Hi

just WOW, what a difference, I was very reluctant to put the TT upgrade on at the same time as the new gyro and servo, just in case if a mishap, but I did, and wow, she's like a new bird. She was so quick and could turn on a six pence.

I did have a few problems to start, a little waggle, but after turning down the end points on channel 7 (down 67% non HH and 74% on HH) she was great. I would like to thank you all, I'm so grateful for your help.

Just wish we had better weather in the UK this time of year, so I could fly more.

Anyway, got to go, got to finish building my Predator.

many thanks again
Simon

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10-26-2004 01:45 AM  13 years agoPost 9
oldfart

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So it will be impossible to tell which of the changes contributed the most to the "WOW"

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10-26-2004 07:27 PM  13 years agoPost 10
Simple Simon

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lol, oldfart,

I'm sure its a bit of everything, that has help, but not one thing more than the help I got on here.

many thanks again
Simon

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