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06-07-2004 03:32 AM  13 years agoPost 1
Slartibartfast

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Hey guys,

It appears there is a lot of interest in a minimal organization for helicam folks in the US, mainly to help with insurance. I've seen the following tasks identified:

1) Have a 'meet and greet' telecon to get organized
2) Come up with a basic set of procedures we agree to follow, to help with insurance folks
3) Come up with a layman's description of what we do, to help with insurance folks
4) Come up with a good name

I don't have any political aspirations along these lines, but I will be glad to help get things organized, and keep the ball rolling. I do websites (sorta) professionally, so I think I can help with publishing and stuff. I will also gladly host the association's site for free.

I will also set up the telecon. The preference seems to be for evenings. Let's try Wed at 9:00 EST. Feel free to propose alternate times. For the telecon, you will just dial into a toll-free number.

If anyone wants to talk to me about this, feel free to call me at 512-296-4130, or email at alexk@hcitraining.com

Cheers,
Alex

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06-07-2004 03:49 AM  13 years agoPost 2
Polariman

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I'm in. I would be happy to send my starter guidelines to anyone to expand upon. It might me useful to have before we go.

Dewey

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06-07-2004 02:20 PM  13 years agoPost 3
pilatus turbo

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Association

Slartibartfast,

Count me in.. Funny, I was thinking about doing a similar proposal. No so much about the insurance but, a group of Aerial Photographers to share experiences and ideas..

Regards,
Hector

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06-07-2004 02:55 PM  13 years agoPost 4
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06-07-2004 04:31 PM  13 years agoPost 5
Slartibartfast

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This evening I will create a wiki to start publishing the content we have. Anyone will be able to edit it, so we can keep it as current as possible.

About the telecon -- still planned for this Wed, 9 pm EST. PM me for the phone number, I don't want to publish it on the web.

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06-08-2004 12:17 AM  13 years agoPost 6
Slartibartfast

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Let's start thinking of names. I really thing names are important. Naming something makes it much more real.

A bunch of ideas

US Helicam Association
American Association of Helicam Pilots
Professional Helicam Pilots of America
Remote Aerial Photography Association
Professional Helicam Pilots Association

Unguarded Flying Lawnmower Association

Alex

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06-08-2004 12:53 AM  13 years agoPost 7
daggit

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Remote Aerial Photography Association - RAPA

I like that one... we had an official meeting of the unofficial association already ....helicam funfly

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06-08-2004 01:12 PM  13 years agoPost 8
ImRich

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When I setup my domain for my helicam work I thought of trying to organize a list of helicam operators who are on the web. I have a domain name all set up so we can list all the helicam operators in one place.

What would the domain name be like? Think of something like helicam.org.

My original thoughts were to list all the helicam operators so that a person is not forced to search many web pages when they are looking looking for an operator in their area.

Let me know if you're interested in this or not. I haven't started any content for this yet so the field is 'wide open' so to speak.

I'd be happy to have any association affiliated with this too.

If you are interested, I'll start the listing now by state and country. We can then easily have links to everyone's individual web pages.

Let me know and I'll get started on some content.

Rich

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06-08-2004 01:53 PM  13 years agoPost 9
Brant

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I wanna be in on it too!

Sounds great, I like this idea of making money with this hobby instead of spending money all of the time. I'm working on getting "Low Altitude Productions" off the ground (punn intended). Hopefully I'll be able to get in on the conference tonight though I'm working.

P.S. I'd like to cast a vote for 'Remote Aerial Photography Association'

Brant

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06-08-2004 03:06 PM  13 years agoPost 10
Polariman

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I agree. Sounds great. RAPA is nice.

I have been getting good response on the starter guidelines. I sent Alex my stuff and some response that I have received.

Alex, are you putting this someplace where everyone can see it?

I will volunteer to be the official reviser so we can have one dedicated version rather many out there.

We should start thinking about pictures. Every good guideline manual has illustrations of photos. When you are thinking about ideas maybe snap a photo and send it to me and I will add it to the manual.

I envision that every Helicam operator be certified by RAPA. And all that means is that you have received the manual and read it. You sign a slip and RAPA will send you a certificate. You then bring the certificate in with the manual (that explains HOW, WHAT, WHEN, WHY, AND WHERE) to an insurance agent and they will have some good info to act on.

As things progress, maybe RAPA will have an official training manual or even a school, publications, and one hell of an annual meeting!

Keep the ideas coming. You guys are doing great.

Dewey
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06-08-2004 03:19 PM  13 years agoPost 11
Slartibartfast

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I set up the Wiki last night, and I will be consolidating the stuff we have so far sometime today.

I am going to just set it up as a directory off of my doman until we establish a name. Once we have a name, we can use that for the domain, maybe something like rapa.org.

Just to elaborate on what the Wiki is. You can think of it like a big white board, where anybody can go up and revise things, add things, erase things, etc. It does track the changes, though, so we can go back see who did what, or undo any changes we don't like. It sounds kind of goofy, but it works amazingly well in practice. It solves the major maintencance problems, where someone has to contact the webmaster and wait for a change to be implemented.

Of course, at some point in the future we may want to change it into a regular website.

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06-08-2004 03:39 PM  13 years agoPost 12
Polariman

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Thats great.

Could you set up some rules in using it. For instance: If someone makes an addition have them mark it like

dewey@aviatoraerials 6/8/04 - No one shall fly over a nude beach without the zoom all the way in.

Or if you do no agree with something

dewey@aviatoraerials 6/8/04 - I think we should take the nude beach statement out of the manual because everyone knows that the only people on nude beaches are fat, old, pastey white people from iowa.

I would discourage any deletions and we have every entry noted with an owner and a date.

I am sure we will have an huge piece of work but thats great. We will then have something useful that can be revised into something that is general and to the point.

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06-08-2004 04:04 PM  13 years agoPost 13
Slartibartfast

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Polariman,

One of the nice things about this software is that it keeps track of all changes -- who changed what, and when. So we don't need to clutter up the pages with a lot of little signature things.

The Wiki is up, with the content we have so far:

http://www.binaryducksoftware.com/w...AssociationWiki

If you are new to Wikis, please read the OneMinuteWiki page, and play around in the sandbox.

Feel free to send questions to me.

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06-08-2004 05:34 PM  13 years agoPost 14
Polariman

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Awesome.

Way to step up to the plate and get this done.

Should we have a time limit? Maybe 4 weeks, 6 weeks, what?

We should set up a target date to compile a final draft and send it out to all parties for review.

Also, we should setup a charter membership list. This would be valuable to send out final drafts and so one. Was someone already doing this task and if so let us know.

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06-08-2004 05:46 PM  13 years agoPost 15
Polariman

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Alex,

How do you create a homepage for yourself? I suppose that area can be the membership list. Right?

Dewey

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06-08-2004 06:34 PM  13 years agoPost 16
GauchoVolador

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About the name of the Association I think that it shouldnt be limitated to the "Photography" name because probably this way it will not be representative of all means of capturing images from r/c helis, there is also video, live transmitions and many others to come, so I think that instead of "Photography", "Imagery" would be a more wider and representative name. Despite I am not in the US im interested in the creation of this association in order to have references as in the insurance case that here it is also difficult to have companies to accept the risk.
Thanks

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06-08-2004 06:49 PM  13 years agoPost 17
Slartibartfast

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Polariman,

I fixed your membership link. A WikiName has to be at least two words. I added some basic instructions to the membership list page as well.

Alex

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06-08-2004 06:59 PM  13 years agoPost 18
Jared J

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I like RAPA also.

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06-08-2004 07:25 PM  13 years agoPost 19
ImRich

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A few have mentioned not to limit this to 'photography' as this may keep people from thinking about video's.

I guess no one likes helicam.org?

A 'camera' doesn't imply still images or video as both require a camera of some sort.

If not RAPA, how about ACA (Aerial Camera Association). Or it could be Aerial Camera Operators Association (ACOA).

I still have helicam.org available for any of this, is there any interest? Look at the title of this thread, it even mentions 'helicam'!

We already have the domain, it's just waiting for some content.

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06-08-2004 10:16 PM  13 years agoPost 20
gpyros

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I like Helicam.org for the simple reason that people looking to hire an operator and doing a search will find it easier than a bunch of letters that don't mean anything to them!

Greg

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