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HelicopterCentury Radikal G20-30 N640 Hawk Predator › hawk sport 30's. how do you like them?
06-07-2004 01:45 AM  13 years agoPost 1
Billy Zimmerman

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i am thinking of getting one due to cost to compliment my rappys, what do you think about them? do they 3D well? how do they hold up in a crash?

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06-07-2004 02:41 AM  13 years agoPost 2
pchuckie

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It is a very inexpensive beginner helicopter, without doing a few upgrades I would think you would be somewhat dissatisfied after comparing it to the rest of your fleet. For a beginner heli it does work well, but but not much else. I seem to remember hearing about some upgrades that change that. They fly straight and level better than a rap 30 IMO.

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06-07-2004 02:52 AM  13 years agoPost 3
Jared J

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Don't confuse inexpensive with cheap. The Hawk isn't cheap, it's a great learning heli. Also if you get a Hawk, the two best things you can get are the bearing upgrade and the torque tube tail drive.

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06-07-2004 02:52 AM  13 years agoPost 4
Copter Doctor

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pchuckie

Sorry man but i gotta disagree with ya a little bit. you are right about it being perfect for a beginner with the cost and all but dont let that fool ya. it is fully 3d capable out of the box. i have flown mine that way without any upgrades and with a 32. sure a seasoned 3der would probably go with a 46 or 50 but rest assure it will do the book in capable hands. okay, to make it your fulltime 3d machine, there are a few things to change. but this is for longevity not performance seing as 3d flying is hell on a heli. a few metal parts here or there and ad a few bearings here but other than that, no problem. an experienced pilot my find differences, likes and dislikes when compared to other helis in the same class. i particularly like them for scale. stick a 50 in one and put it in a 60 size body and i am in heaven. for $160 you can go from learning to hover a few inches off the ground to hovering a few inches off the grass with the same heli...............not tooo shabby.

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06-07-2004 03:12 AM  13 years agoPost 5
Billy Zimmerman

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what do you think i could get one used for? just the whole heli airframe no motor or electronics?

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06-07-2004 03:12 AM  13 years agoPost 6
rcsoar4fun

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I have quite a few flights on mine so far and I am very happy with it. Only thing I would add would be a head button and bearing upgrade. Quality looks very similar to the Raptor. Have not flown the rap. Consider if you added $100 in upgrades it would still cost the same as the Rap.

In hover, FF, FFF, and wind it feels very solid.

I can see why someone would want a torque tube, but the stock drive wire isn't that bad. I like being about to loosen 4 bolts and slide the boom off. Slide it back on and its ready to go. No belt tension to worrk about, but I guess I am the only one that feels that way.

I recently had a pretty bad crash. Toasted a tailboom, spindle, mainshaft, landing gear and elevator link. Total repair cost about $40.

Kristopher

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06-07-2004 03:40 AM  13 years agoPost 7
pchuckie

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Copter Doctor
I'm from Missouri "You have to show me" Make up a video, let's see your 3d with a 30.
Yes I've seen video of the Szabo's with a 30.
Fully 3d outta the box, it's a 30 size. Now most 30's will perform every manuever but, they lack power and just barely do them. Also they have minimal power to recover from a mistake, should you make one.
Guess it depends on what you call 3d, IMO loops and rolls don't count as 3d. I have a hard time doing good tic-tocs with my 50 due to lack of power. Sure it will do it, but no where near as good as a 90.

Considering I don't care for them nor owned one I thought I stated their performance cost/value pretty good.

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06-07-2004 07:06 AM  13 years agoPost 8
Andrew_S

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I liked mine, it got me started. but then I got a rappy 30...I like that one much better..............

Drewskie

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06-07-2004 03:47 PM  13 years agoPost 9
jdowns

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I have owned a Century Hawk and a Raptor 30, and have to say that the Raptor 30 seemed to fly a little better. The Hawk would always seem to put some kind of undesirable coupling of aileron and elevator into my maneuvers, which I never saw from the Raptor.

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06-07-2004 05:28 PM  13 years agoPost 10
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I have owned/flown a Hawk V1, Sceadu 30/50, and a Raven 30. The qulaility is not the same with the hirobo products as with the Century birds. But please don't get me wrong, I absolutely love my Hawk and Raven. They cannot be beat in the "most bang for your buck" category. If you are looking for a 3D machine you may want to consider the Raven, it is basically a Hawk with all of the upgrades (almost all). It comes with the thrust bearings, and triple bearings in the tail, as well as an all metal swash plate and metal head. You can pick them up from Ricks for 247.99. So it is 90.00$ more, but the cost of the upgrades alone make it a better buy.

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06-07-2004 05:59 PM  13 years agoPost 11
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Raptor5,,, if you really are a 3D pilot, I say buy the Raven 30 for $100 more at Rick's, I have seen all the 30's & 50' 3D vids and I have seen enough in person, and I am telling you flat-out--- the Raven is as quick and tight as the best 30/50 3Der's and tighter & quicker than all the rest, I have seen a guy 3D his Raven 50 and it was super tight, in fact I had know idea that the Raven was that tight !! the owner had only 2 complaints with the Raven, 1) he would have liked more tail pitch, 2) the head dampeners are to soft, for the dampeners he bought Raptor blue and or red dampeners and cut them down and for the tail he said guys used the Raptor pitch sliders, and I think he said guys are using a longer tail shaft from a Bergen,,,


do I think the Fury 50 is a higher quality heli I sure do,,, do I think the Fury 50 has a more powerful tail I sure do,,, do I think the Fury 50 will hold up better I sure do,,, do I think the Raven 50 cyclic is as quick as the Fury 50 yes I do !!


Jim

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06-07-2004 06:16 PM  13 years agoPost 12
Gearhead

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you Raptor guys have to keep in mind that Raptor5 already has a Raptor 30, now he wants another brand 30 to go with his fleet. the Raptor 30 is a better and higher priced heli over the Sport, and the stock Raptor 30 will have a more powerful tail than the "stock" Raven but the Rapror's cyclic maneuvers are not as tight as the Raven's are.

buy the Raven, use harder dampeners and work on the tail, you will love it, I'm sure.


I said that !!
Jim

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06-07-2004 07:35 PM  13 years agoPost 13
Jared J

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Ray, don't even try it. I already said, I never had an issue with the kits or quality. Only with some reps and the CS issue. I sold my stuff off only to prove a point. Was is the best thing to do, maybe not but I think I proved my point and everyone has moved on. So try to bash all you want, maybe it'll make me buy another gasser

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06-07-2004 07:49 PM  13 years agoPost 14
SteveH

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Texas

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The Hawk Sport has been beat to death on this and many, many, MANY other threads here on RR. Aren't you guys getting tired of it?

I say, go and buy yourself a better $159 heli kit and put the issue to bed already!

The government cannot give you anything without first taking it from someone else.

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06-07-2004 08:58 PM  13 years agoPost 15
Billy Zimmerman

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Rainier Oregon

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yep i am looking at a cheap spare heli when the others are in maintance or just something to take to the local park for a quick little fun flight and not worry about, i mean i know raptors are considered cheap but to me and my budget if i dump a rappy it wont be flying for a while. not until my pay check comes in. and i am not saying raptors are expensive but for me its about as expensive as i can go, the only reason i have a Minature Aircraft X-Cell is because my friend was able to buy 3 for 700 bucks along with 2000 bucks worth of parts came as an extra so basically he bought 3 xcells plus 2000 bucks in parts for a grand total of $700 so he let me build one and is going to let me keep for me helping him do some stuff around his house this summer(painting etc) and he said he will hook me up with the parts to fix it if i crash it. so basically i am just looking for something cheaper to fall back on every once in a while even tho i will always fly rappys, just lookin for something thats fairly cheap to fly and fix. i fully plan on getting a century predator gasser some day. due to cost. thanks for everybodys input. and trust me i know the raptors are stable, they fly great especially the rappy 60 and my raptor 30 v2 flies great except for the damn TT39 motor. i plan to upgrade my rappy 30 v2 to a 50 v2 and then probably get a Hawk 30 for something to beat up a little bit. how well do the hawks fly inverted??? about like rappy inverted? the raptor at least mine is very stable inverted. thanks for all the helpful knowledge!

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06-08-2004 03:34 PM  13 years agoPost 16
sreuss

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Ontario, Canada

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My $ 0.02

"yep i am looking at a cheap spare heli when the others are in maintance or just something to take to the local park for a quick little fun flight and not worry about" SNIP

Get a Hawk Sport! It is exactly what you're after. In fact, you may well find that it becomes your machine of choice because it is inexpensive and very capable. Heck, I was using a Hawk III, which predates the sport, for inexpensive FAI practise and learing my orientation for 3D... it served this purpose very well.

Cheers,
SteveR

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06-09-2004 06:59 PM  13 years agoPost 17
Billy Zimmerman

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Rainier Oregon

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yepmy next 30 size bird will be a hawk!

next heli is hawk, well maybe another raptor but the hawk will become one of my fleet for sure

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06-10-2004 03:49 AM  13 years agoPost 18
Jerry M

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Pasadena Texas

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Hawk

Just got mine in the mail yesterday Bought a bearing upgrade and the antirotation retro at work now installing the bearings life is tough at times Wish I had a beer in my hands

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06-10-2004 04:13 AM  13 years agoPost 19
Jerry M

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Raptor5 you will be happy you did I also have a Caliber it rates up there with it

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06-10-2004 04:35 AM  13 years agoPost 20
rcsoar4fun

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Boise, Idaho

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Bearing upgrade

How much difference does the bearing upgrade make? After a few gallons I have a little slop in some of the linkages. Curious if the bearing upgrade will take a lot of it out.

Kristopher

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