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06-07-2004 01:28 AM  13 years agoPost 1
Tyler

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I had an athlon 1800+ computer with 256mb ddr ram, an ATI all-in-wonder 64mb video card that was running realflight G2 rather well.

I recently built a new computer with an amd 64 bit 3000+ processor, 1 gig ddr ram, and reused the all-in-wonder video card. I am now only getting 9 frames per second with real flight. i have run the update, removed all extra backround gimmicks, etc.

My local computer shop is telling me the computer is now too fast for the video card and that I must upgrade the video card. Is it possible for the pcu to be too fast for my 64mb video card, or is this just a bunch of bull?

Any suggestions? G2 is now totally useless to me until I get this resolved.

If I buy another video card, I don't want to lose the a/v connectivity of the all in wonder card (I can dump old video from a Hi8 camcorder onto my computer even though the camcorder doesn't have usb or fire wire connections).

Tyler

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06-07-2004 01:42 AM  13 years agoPost 2
Doug

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"Time" marches on

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06-07-2004 01:46 AM  13 years agoPost 3
Glenn in Den

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Go to this site and ask that question.

http://www.rage3d.com

They offer downloads and might even be able to fix it for you.

If that doesn't work, contact ATI. I would think that it should work at least as well as it did. It does sound like a little "smoke" is being blown somewhere.

He/she could be correct if that was a much older card - OR - if your new MB isn't backwards compatible to AGP 4x (or AGP 2X)?, assuming that is what you are on now.




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06-07-2004 04:15 AM  13 years agoPost 4
rcheliace

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Yes it is possible for the vidio card to be to slow for the cpu. The same holds true the other way around. The vidio card can be to fast for a lesser cpu. It is a bottle neck. Think of it like a 4 lane highway with 2-3 lanes closed. With your old set up everything was in the same performance range. Now you have a faster cpu and more ram with the same vidio card. The card is the closed lanes of your highway. The sims (and most games for that matter) are very dependant on a good quality 3-D card and use a high % of the prossesors resourses. I would invest in a higher end vidio card to get the most out of your new PC.

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06-07-2004 05:28 AM  13 years agoPost 5
l337hxr

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uuhhhh why the hell would upgrading the CPU slow down the same exact video card??

what you did was put in a faster processor. Thus, you are increasing the potential of the video card to its maximum possible speed! if you dropped in a slower processor, you are decreasing the potential of the video card because the video card is waiting for instructions.

so now when you dropped in the new faster processor, you're video card is now operating at its maximum capable speed and is now called the bottleneck.

but it won't slow down the same game you were playing before.

the local store is telling you a bunch of bull crap!

i don't think so......

think about how they benchmark video cards. they HAVE to keep the CPU and memory, and other stuff constant with other tests. Cause if you system has a faster CPU or more memory than the other, it will become an advantage for one video card to score higher.

now for my final argument, lets make this logic! I buy a ATI Radeon 9800XT and put it in a standard Pentium 4 3.4GHz system. I get say 5000points in 3D mark 2003. 3 years later, i have teh same Radeon 9800XT but i pair it with a Pentium 5 6.0GHz, and i go back to the same exact 3D Mark 2003 software.

so you are going to tell me that I will score less than 5000 points this time?

if that was the case, nobody would upgrade computer parts piece by piece because it harms the system like that. they would be forced to buy pre-assembled maximized performance systems every single time they want to upgrade.

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06-07-2004 07:30 AM  13 years agoPost 6
rcadd1ct

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Check to make sure the interupts for the video and other devices are not stepping on each others toes.

Here's the deal you not only changed the chip you changed the board too, right?

The BIOS and the busses are different.

I use IRQ 10 for NIC
11 SCSI
14 ATA1
15 ATA2

I try to use 5 for video.

Stay away from IRQ 2(9). This is the IRQ that links the two chips together for the higher interupts.

Also is the BIOS set up for performance or failsafe?

Do you have the correct drivers? Is this a fresh OS install?

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06-07-2004 02:46 PM  13 years agoPost 7
Tyler

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upgrde

Yes, this is a new OS install and a new mother board. I have been into the BIOS to set the boot order and a few other minor things. I am clueless about what IRQ's are and how to use/change them.

It sounds as though there are some tweaks that could possibly be performed to allow me to still keep my video card.

I just looked at the motherboard manual and it says it supports AGP8x video cards. Is it possible that the MB is not backwards compatible and that my video card might be 4xAGP? The video card seems to work well for everything else like watching heli video clips online, and dvd's. Realflight is just soooo bad.

Tyler

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06-07-2004 03:37 PM  13 years agoPost 8
rcadd1ct

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I have not seen a non backwards compatible MB. Sorry bad grammer. It should work.

winmsd.exe should get you the info you want for the IRQs

-RCA .......... Making Cuisinarts Fly!!!!!!!

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06-07-2004 06:25 PM  13 years agoPost 9
jamesdh

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I would make sure I loaded the MB drivers first then load up the Video Card drivers then load DX9.

MB drivers should have come on a CD with your MB. Make sure it loads all of them.

Go to the ATI website and download the latest drivers for the video card. Follow the ATI procedure for driver installation as it varies from Micro$oft's canned install.
You may be running on windows pre-loaded drivers which may not be turning on your 3D capabilities (VGA mode only)

Go to Micro$oft to get the latest version of Directx9

Some older ATI cards don't do well with AGP4x or higher so try setting that to AGP2x in your BIOS.
Some don't seem to work well unless you set your AGP Aperture to 64meg. Again in the BIOS.

Hope this helps.

James

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06-07-2004 08:15 PM  13 years agoPost 10
BDIS

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I run a AMD 64 bit proccessor also. What model Al-In-Wonder are you using? What model Mother Board are you using? If you give me some exact specs on your setup I may be able to find a solution for you.

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06-07-2004 09:13 PM  13 years agoPost 11
Tyler

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ASUS k8v Deluxe, AIW 8500DV video card. Card running at 1.5v 4x AGP setting.

I just updated all drivers from Radeon (ATI) and ASUS.

With Green Valley stock flying site (all objects enabled) I am now getting about 60 frames per second (was getting 4). Tune the site to my liking and turn off all the gimmicks in the scenery, and I can now get 137 frames per second (was getting 13 with photo scenery, not the 3D scenery).

I think I have it working fine now. Bottom line, the computer shop was shooting for another quick sale out of my frustration and lack of knowledge. They never suggested updating drivers or anything other than "Buy a new card". I learned a big lesson here: don't always listen to a salesman without researching solutions.

Both ASUS and ATI said they 100% disagreed that a faster processor and motherboard will make a video card run slower. Glad they were both in agreement.

Thanks for you help folks. Hope someone else learns from this post in the future.

What frame rates are other pilots getting, and what equipment is being used?

Tyler

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06-08-2004 05:34 AM  13 years agoPost 12
rcadd1ct

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I am getting for 300 to around 525 fps.

Dual 2.8 GHz P4 Zeon water cooled overclocked to 3.0GHz.

I am running an 8x All-In-Wonder 9800 pro video card w/ 128 Mb DDR RAM.

I currently have 512mb of RAM.

I have the stuff to water cool the chip set, video card and the hard drives. Once I get that done and add the rest of the RAM I should be set for a while.

Oh, and by the way, once the other stuff is water cooled I should be able to turn up the boost some more to get it to go faster!

Can you tell I am a geek?

-RCA .......... Making Cuisinarts Fly!!!!!!!

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06-08-2004 05:38 AM  13 years agoPost 13
BDIS

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Got any pics?!

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06-08-2004 06:13 AM  13 years agoPost 14
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computer shop feeding me a line of bull?
Always!!

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06-08-2004 06:14 AM  13 years agoPost 15
shuttlepilot

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I've been working on pc's professionally for about 8 years now, and I would say you could keep your old video card. Sure the video card may be the bottleneck to your overall system now, but if there is not a compatability problem, it should work fine. As stated in previous post, you may now realize the full potential of your video card, if you were not experiencing it before. Any application that was running good before, should run even better now. The only time that I upgrade the video, is if the application that I want to use suggest to run with something more than I have installed presently. That is after I have tested it with the current card to see if it ran to my satisfaction. Upgrading is a necessary evil since the speed of pc's now lets the code writers get pretty large (sloppy) coding.

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06-08-2004 06:20 AM  13 years agoPost 16
rcadd1ct

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Not much to see.

Sitting quietly humming in the PC cradle on the desk.

Only fans are the power supply and the radiator.

-RCA .......... Making Cuisinarts Fly!!!!!!!

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