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06-07-2004 12:47 AM  13 years agoPost 1
sixeven

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Ft. Myers Florida

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Was flying today and a damn yellow lab came flying out of the woods running straight towards me. Oh crap.....look at dog....look at copter....can't do both.

I attempted to get the copter on the ground but then the damn dog runs under it as i'm decending.

Well at least at this point the dog isn't attacking me but he is running around directly under the heli jumping and snapping his jaws at it. (actually was quite funny except the heli was low on fuel and at some point I was going to have to land) Additionally, I was uninterested in cleaning dog innards off my blades

What I did was take the copter up and then pull hard neg pitch straight down near the dog. When I was almost on top of him I pulled hard pos pitch and the popping blades seemed to scare him. After a few low buzzes he decided he was not interested in tangling with my rotary beast and left. Don't know what I would have done he he didn't get scared off.

SiXeVeN

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06-07-2004 12:54 AM  13 years agoPost 2
Davo

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An interesting problem, since it turned out ok- otherwise it could have been horrific. I wouldn't really know what to do in that situation either except to try to scare the mutt like you did or wait for the owner to come and get it (although some people are just as stupid and walk directly under where you're flying ). You just know that the owner would go ballistic if anything happened, even if it were their fault for not having the dog on a leash near the flying field.

Glad it worked out ok

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06-07-2004 02:15 AM  13 years agoPost 3
arrio

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I can understand your delema. Surely a nerve wracking situation. What do you do? You don't want to hurt the dog, and you certainly don't want to dump it in (crash) on purpose. Looks like you had good presence of mind and found a solution that worked. Though, as you mention, the dog may well have been unafraid of your attempt to frighten it.
A similar thing happened to me many years ago. A couple was out walking thier German Sheperd dog and it decided it wanted to try to grab my helicopter when it got close to the ground. It was amazing that the owners could not see the potential disaster awaiting thier dog should get it lucky and "get" the helicopter. They thought that since the blades were "only made of wood" it wouldn't hurt thier dog. Finally, they retrieved thier dog an walked off.

"fly it like you hate it"
Alfred (arrio) Riopel "more toys than time"

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06-07-2004 03:16 AM  13 years agoPost 4
11290

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Evansville, IN and Orlando, FL

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Not a dog story, but, I was flying this evening at the fairgrounds and two teenagers came riding horses through the grounds and rode right under my heli. I wasn't that high either. I landed until they decided to leave but they didn't seem to care that they had just gone directly under the machine. Not too bright.

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06-07-2004 03:18 AM  13 years agoPost 5
trey3670

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colorado way up north

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any sheds or anything you could have landed on?

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06-07-2004 03:18 AM  13 years agoPost 6
Davo

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People are dumb

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06-07-2004 03:23 AM  13 years agoPost 7
JKos

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Redondo Beach, CA

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I've got a dog story too... I was flying my Logo 10 in a big open park when a big black dog starts chasing it up and down the field as I flew back and forth. Well, that seemed fine. But, as we all know, electrics don't stay up forever and I had to land, NOW. The dog insisted on jumping up at the heli and staying right underneath it. Luckily he moved just enough for me to sit it down and then proceeded to run around the rotor disk with his nose about an inch from it. Not fun!

Had something happened, I'm thinking things would have gone my way as it was legal for me to be flying there and dogs are supposed to be on a leash.

- John

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06-07-2004 03:37 AM  13 years agoPost 8
Eury

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Are you kidding me? If a dog runs at your heli, don't try to scare it away by buzzing the dog. It doesn't know what it's doing and you can't predict what it'll do. If you lose it and hurt/kill the dog that is a tragedy. I can tell you that the life of your heli is worth nothing compared to the life of someone's pet, who is probably their best friend. FFF away and land the heli, if that doesn't work, auger the thing in so the blades aren't spinning when the dog gets there. If you don't want to do that, at the very least auto it down so the blades don't have as much energy should the dog get hit.

Man, these things are glorified toys, and not worth risking a life over...

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06-07-2004 03:56 AM  13 years agoPost 9
FlyinBrian

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Hi,

If you can do some forward flight the easiest thing to do is lead him way off, then fly back quick and land.

Our club board thought it was kinda funny that club members dogs would run around our heli area and bark / jump at the helis. Finally got tired of it so I led one of the board members dog out about a 1/2 mile and flew back. The dog found something over there to get interested in and the owner ended having to run all the way out to get his dog back

Never had a problem after that

If you have the problem and the owner is around just let them know when the time comes and I have to land I have to make a choice between hitting the dog or the owner with the heli you would rather hit the owner, simply because the dog does'nt know anybetter. Solves the problem rather quickly in my expierence

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06-07-2004 04:05 AM  13 years agoPost 10
dkshema

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Cedar Rapids, IA

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Could have given a whole new meaning to the phrase "woof and poof."

Good job on your quick thinking.

Dave

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06-07-2004 04:37 AM  13 years agoPost 11
Jarold C

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eurylokhos,

You're kidding , right?

Maybe its the cop in me, but here we shoot any animal that is not restrained and attacks person or property. Guess it doesn't matter if I shoot him or sixeven makes ground lab on a slab.

If its your "pet and best friend", you wouldn't put the dog in that situation by letting him run. You wouldn't put ME in the heartbreaking situation of having to put down your dog (which I have to do once a month or so)!

Yes, they get out accidentally ( mine have )...... but guess what? It was ultimately my fault they got out and its ultimately MY fault if they're killed.
I wouldn't ask you to sacrifice your car, motorcycle, bicycle, or baby stroller to stop from injuring my dog, and certainly wouldn't ask you to "auger" your heli. In fact I would expect a liability suit for the cost of your heli if he damaged it.

That said, I wouldn't PURPOSELY try to strike him. BUT, if it was between my heli and your dog, and I couldn't shake him away? Well,..... your kid and I would both be crying tonight. No sympathy for the irresponsible pet owner, though, I'd be hunting you down for a hefty citation.

Pictures of my dog on request.
You couldn't give me a million dollars for him and I wouldn't give ya two bits for one just like him!

PETA emails filtered.

Guess what? I just saved a ton of money on my Auto(rotation) insurance!

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06-07-2004 05:07 AM  13 years agoPost 12
Eury

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No, I'm not kidding. A heli is a friggin toy. A dog is a living being. I don't know about you, but I'd rather put $60 into a crash kit than kill/hurt/maim something with it.

I control my dogs. And I expect others to do the same. But if they don't, the last resort is killing the animal. Everytime you go out and fly your heli, you need to be prepared to bring it home in a bag. Whether it is due to a mechanical failure, radio hit, or just dumb thumbs, you have to expect that it is going to happen.

Put it another way. If you hit a dog with your heli, it IS going to be damaged. Just guessing, but probably blades, main shaft, flybar, maybe spindle. That's basically what you'd have if you killed the engine, autoed down and tipped it over. The difference is that in one situation, you're cleaning blood, and dealing with a devestated owner, the other way you're just pissed at some stupid dog owner.

It's not PETA, it's doing the right thing.

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06-07-2004 05:22 AM  13 years agoPost 13
flmgrip

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irvine, CA, United States

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i have the same problems with bumms at our flying field once in a while...

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06-07-2004 05:32 AM  13 years agoPost 14
Fullagas

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Michigan

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We have 2 members at our field who let their dogs run when they come out to fly. They think it's our job to watch over them, but our next meeting has a proposal to have all animals secured behind the flight line at all times. Not to mention the occasional 'doggie grenade' to look out for.

flmgrip,
i have the same problems with bumms at our flying field once in a while...
Yeah, but you gotta share with them plankers, bud...


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Flying helis since gyros had springs.

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06-07-2004 06:54 AM  13 years agoPost 15
corey11

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Bay Area, California

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i have the same problems with bumms at our flying field once in a while...
Yeah, but you gotta share with them plankers,
haha thats funny
I'd rather put $60 into a crash kit
60 dollars?? i wished i could pay that much when i crash! i pay a good 300 bucks each time..so id rather just fly a mile away, and fly back...

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06-07-2004 12:18 PM  13 years agoPost 16
Eury

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Dover NH

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60 dollars?? i wished i could pay that much when i crash! i pay a good 300 bucks each time..so id rather just fly a mile away, and fly back...
Yeah, there's a reason I fly a Craptor and a Caliber. I know the crashes are coming, and I've crashed an XCell before. Never fly something you can't afford to crash....

I guess I need a better job. I wanna have the opportunity to crash an XCell gasser, but the budget just won't allow it.

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06-08-2004 05:41 AM  13 years agoPost 17
Jorjo

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Belfast NI

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eurylokhos

Each to their own on this one. I've 2 dogs and a pair of cats, not to mention the wild beasties that seem to find their way here when injured or starving, there's times when I gotta check my driving licence to check may name hasnt become Noah overnight, but I will tell it straight, In a situ where a dog was chaising my heli, I be hoping that the issue was solved with a bullet in its brain.

There is no excuse for stupidity, an owner of a heli is expected to be responsible. Pet owners have no excuse for not being just as responsible. A dead dog is a damn fine lesson in responsibility, A dog that chases a heli would be just as likely to chase livestock or even a child on a bike. ( or even just risking a flyer own life by spooking him) Your thinking stops short at the bleeding heart mentality of poor dumb animal. The public are stuipid as a rule, people walking their dogs wouldnt let them loose near a chain saw in action.

What the blazes is wrong with people? In the Uk the've outlawed Bull bars on jeeps because they kill children on impact !
By deffinition I think it would make a damn sight more sense to make them mantitory just to be certian that the children of idiots meet their doom by natural selection
Its not the bull bars that kill, its velocity and impact with squishy human flesh. people that can't teach their kids the basic logic of staying the hell of the road are the same kind of complacent dangerous idiots that havent got the brians to see danger in a dog chasing spinning rotors.

A few dead dogs in the world may be just what it takes to wake morons up just enough to think safe, act responsible and have the brains to pass it on to their offspring.

Ignore the dog and fly, if you gotta land and the dog gets hurt, follow the blood to the owners door and have the fool owner pay for the damage. Do you realise that if all the idiots in the wolrd where allowed to get on with it, they'd all wipe themselves out, solveing unemployment, global warming, polution and traffic jams.

Darwin had it right, natural selection, survival of the species, Its too late to undo the percentage of idiots in the world, but Damn it MAN !!!! At least Let me get a crack at the DOG as a wake up call !!!!!

Jorjo.

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No, I'm not kidding. A heli is a friggin toy. A dog is a living being. I don't know about you, but I'd rather put $60 into a crash kit than kill/hurt/maim something with it.
your a danger to yourself and this hobby with comments like that.
Do yourself a favor buddy, Take a refresher course. A miniture Heli is certianly not a toy, a Flying lawn mower with the covers off perhaps.
BUT NEVER A FRIGGIN TOY !!!!!!

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06-08-2004 06:09 AM  13 years agoPost 18
Peter65

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Roxby Downs, South Australia.

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I have a friend who used to bring his Staffy to the oval. Oneday she stuck her head in the rotating disc. Didn't she get a surprise. Snotted her right on the side of the head. She didn't do it again. Lucky for her it had spooled down a lot.

I have had another idiot let his dog on the oval to jump up at my R60 and it too was low on fuel.

The thing is don't panic, keep your cool. Abuse the owner a little and they get the message.

A dog is a dumb animal when it comes to things they are not used to seeing. It's something new to play with or chase. But when people walk straight across the oval and directly under the heli and you have no idea they are there because your concentration is 100% up there. Those are the people at the shallow end of the gene pool that need a lesson in CDF.

Laughing at yourself will lengthen your life. Laughing at me will shorten it...

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06-08-2004 08:31 AM  13 years agoPost 19
NZ_Neil

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Auckland, New Zealand

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My Bernese Mountrain Dog (read large, pic in my gallery) has at least got the common sense to go and sit under the covered deck when I am flying on my 5 acre section (He's seen too many crashes)

My problem is a stupid duck that follows me everywhere and insists on sitting down near my feet going quack quack when I fly. One day he is gonna get stood on

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06-08-2004 02:33 PM  13 years agoPost 20
Eury

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Dover NH

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your a danger to yourself and this hobby with comments like that.
Do yourself a favor buddy, Take a refresher course. A miniture Heli is certianly not a toy, a Flying lawn mower with the covers off perhaps.
BUT NEVER A FRIGGIN TOY !!!!!!
It's not? What is it? Look up toy in the dictionary, that's exactly what it is. The statement "this hobby" implies that it is a toy. Do you use your RC heli for commerce? Transportation? To get work done in any form whatsoever? No. You don't. Except for those lucky few who make money with their helis doing photos/video, flying in movies, or just sponsered pilots doing testing, we all use out helis for one thing, recreation. A good way to wind down. Just because something is a toy doesn't mean it's not dangerous, and isn't to be respected. I think a pretty good way to determine if something is a toy (Other than a dictionary) is to ask if you've ever said to yourself, "I've got to go out and fly my RC Heli today, I wish I could get a day off from it". If you ever have, then maybe you've got the wrong hobby, if you haven't, then good, you're like the rest of us, have fun playing with your toy.

Get over yourself, it's a big whirling mass of plastic, metal, and composites. It's a lot of fun, and something that needs to be respected, hence the statements about WHIRLING BLADES STRIKING FLESH! That doesn't mean it's not a toy, the two are not mutually exclusive.

Oh yeah, from Dictionary.com, I would say that definitions 2,3, and 5 are a pretty good description.
1. An object for children to play with.

2. Something of little importance; a trifle.

3. An amusement; a pastime: thought of the business as a toy.

4. A small ornament; a bauble.

5. A diminutive thing or person.

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