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06-06-2004 05:02 AM  13 years agoPost 1
Trowelfaz

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I am still torn as to which micro to get. I currently have a Concept 30 and Raptor 50 (*bling* *bling*), but am looking for a micro to kick around the back yard on calm evenings and to keep inthe car for an improptu flight.

I am considering either the Zoom/Shogun or the Hornet II (I want a CP bird for aerobatics). I can get a Hornet II all inclusive for $440 + $40 for new mixer, and start upgrading from there as needed (LiPo packs/charger, brushless motor, new speed controller for brushless), or I can dive into a Zoom/Shogun for $800 for a brushless setup, Futaba gyro, LiPos/charger and the like.

My questions are:
1) Will the Hornet II fly out of the box? Will it do inverted and flips/rolls/loops with the *stock* setup (non-brushless/non-LiPo)?
2) Since I live in The Windy City, I will reserve the micro for those few calm moments, but can the Hornet II handle a slight wind?
3) Would I be better off just starting with the Zoom/Shogun from the begining, despite the higher entry cost (but the higher entry cost is due to going brushless/LiPo from the start).
4) If I went with the Hornet II, would the receiver/servos included in the MS package work with the Zoom if I switched later (I know the speed controller and motor wouldn't unless if I upgraded the Hornet II to brushless I went with the 20a speed controller, which I probably would instead of the 10amp model).

Here is my current logic:
- Get the Hornet II
- Upgrade to brushless/LiPo
- Move old equipment to a GWS parkflyer (old speed controller, batteries)
- Next year, switch to the newest 'gotta have' micro

If I go the Hornet II route, I can upgrade things as they come along little by little. By going with the Zoom, I have a chance to throw the upgrades at it in the beginning, cash pending.

I had a LMH-100 many years ago (serial number 32). It was horrible. Besides the problems with a fixed-pitch bird, the tail never held (had the original design), and was squirrelly as all heck. I hope these micros have improved since then!

Which way would you go if you were on a hobby budget (remember, I also need to throw cash into my Nitro's, so the micro can't be a cash cow to get it in the air).

Thanks!

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06-08-2004 02:04 PM  13 years agoPost 2
pbmax

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Wow! Tons of questions...no wonder no one's responded yet

The H2 is a good heli; dunno how well it will fly with the stock motor; I went straight to brushless. I had (and still do have) tail setup issues with it, but it may have been just my bad luck. It will fly in breezes but they can toss it pretty easily, so beware.

Servos should be interchangeable (HS-55s are popular). Really the H2 and the zoom are very similar in price if you buy similar equipment (brushed to brushed, bl to bl). The only difference that I see is the motor and ESC - a cheap himax brushless will cost the same in each, but they'll use different models. The Pixie25 will be necessary for the zoom, like you said, so that's about $10 more or so.

If you want the heli to handle more like a nitro, then the zoom is the way to go. Have you lurked on the zoom forum? Decent heli from what I've heard...

Hope this scratches the surface a bit.

pbmax

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06-08-2004 02:27 PM  13 years agoPost 3
WOS

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there is a video lurking around showing the hornet doing all kinds of 3D tricks stock out of the box. inverts, loops, funnels rolls. wosh I knew where it was. but it flies well stock out of the box just not as long as with brushless and lipos

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06-08-2004 04:39 PM  13 years agoPost 4
tabbytabb

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I dont think a micro would be fun to fly (certainly not 3d) without brushless and lipos.

Just buy the right stuff right off the bat and you will have fun.

Tabb

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06-09-2004 12:53 AM  13 years agoPost 5
pbmax

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Yup - much more flyable and stable with brushless and poly packs. If only brushless motors and ESCs were free!! I'd have 3...

pbmax

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06-09-2004 03:38 AM  13 years agoPost 6
Gary Jenkins

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I think the cost will be the same. You need a brushless motor, lipos, ESC, gyro, receiver, servos, etc which are the same cost for both the zoom and hornet 2. I only have the Hornet 2 so I can't compare it to the zoom. The hornet flies great stock out of the box with a brushless motor. I still think I would pick the Hornet, it lighter and has more CF.

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06-09-2004 04:56 AM  13 years agoPost 7
Trowelfaz

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Thanks for the replies. When working it all out on paper with BL/LiPo's, the cost is the same, but if I look at the initial entry price, the Hornet II is about $400 cheaper (the Hornet II is ~$440 w/servos/motor/battery/speed controller), albeit just stock stuff, but it could be flyable for $440. If I go with the Zoom, I wouldn't buy cheaper initially, but go right to BL/LiPo which adds to the cost for the initial investment (which could be funding my other Nitro helis, planes and cars). However, it would be worth it in the long run if the Zoom is far superior.

I guess I will see how many $$'s I can shake from the money tree (anyone want to buy some Enkei rims & tires???) to see which way I go since everyone in other threads seem to be split.

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