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06-06-2004 03:42 AM  13 years agoPost 1
AA8VL

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I NEED TO TIC TOC.

I have been flying raptor 30's this year since I have enough raptors and rappy parts to make ACE Hobby blush. I want to do Tic Toc's, but cant seem to find a heli with enough of that go-go juice that is cheap to crash.

Ok guys, tell me what I need to do? I WILL OBEY YOUR EVERY COMMAND!!!

Would upgrading to high speed servos help out on the 30 rappy? Since I am flying just run of the mill servos that might not be quick enough on the collective?

Would upgrading to a OS46 or TT50 in a rappy 30 give me the instant torque needed (head speed regulated by a Throttle Jockey)?

Would a combination of the previous 2 suggestions get me into my 'O' so ready Tic Toc's???

I want to continue using the rappy 30's untill I am fully proficient in backwards manuvers as I am in forward manuvers...but it would be fun to do Tic Toc's while I master reverse.

I have a XCELL PRO2 but would rather not thrash it unill I master all aspects of the HELI ART with my 30's!!!!!

HEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLPPPPPPPPP!

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06-06-2004 04:02 AM  13 years agoPost 2
dstuber

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tic tocs, as well as a lot of other manuevers require more than just banging the sticks. you can bog a 90 if you don't time your inputs properly. i've been doing tic tocs on my 50 and i can slow the head down if i just jam the collective whenever. you have to be even more precise with a 30 since the power to weight is lower. not that it can't be done though, in the right hands, you would be amazed at what a 30 is capable of.

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06-06-2004 04:12 AM  13 years agoPost 3
AA8VL

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ds,

Timing could be a problem for me. I am kinda a stick banger...I admit it! But it's fun to bang sticks

I am running a simple OS32 and seem to only get a TIC or two out of it no matter what I try...and I have tried about a 100 times. I would like to learn what it takes to do a TIC - TOC. I can do them on real flight all day long with the raptor 30, but when it come to the field...well everything falls apart.

Can you or someone explain to me the timing needed on a 30 and or upgrades that may be required to do this.

I HAVE TIC-TOC FEVER! I MUST DO TIC-TOCS TOMORROW!!!

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06-06-2004 04:26 AM  13 years agoPost 4
dstuber

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when you do them does your headspeed slow or does your heli fall to the ground. i can do them ok, but i find that i am always descending. i can keep the rpms up, but i haven't mastered the technique yet so i can keep it in one spot. a faster, more powerful collective servo would probably help as well as some lighter paddles. blades would make a big diff too. you didn't say what you have but some good stiff carbons would help out.

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06-06-2004 04:50 AM  13 years agoPost 5
AA8VL

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I am flying Quick carbon blades with a standard BB servo on collective and factory paddles.

I notice my head speed drops doing vertical tic-tocs...but gradualy seems to picks up after a few of them...by this time I am in the process of bailing out due to the ground effect

It seems my major problem is keeping my head speed from dropping after my first TIC. Do you think a motor with more torque authority might help? I have 3D paddles and high speed servos at my disposal...I will install them sometime this week and see if it helps...

With your 3d paddles did you place them in the OH MY GOD hole or the one futher back?

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06-06-2004 04:53 AM  13 years agoPost 6
AMainMaker

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I can do them fairly well with my Raptor 30. I have a TT39 and a MPII it does make a difference from what I have seen to have the bigger engine and the higher performance pipe. I also have a throttle jockey and a high torque and speed collective servo. with all of this combined my 30 flys really close to what a decent 50 does.I use the MA 3d paddles. They are very responsive yet not pitchy in FFF.
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06-06-2004 05:02 AM  13 years agoPost 7
dstuber

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definately replace the collective servo. i just bought a 9252 off ebay for $62 and it was worth every penny. you don't need a 9252, but something with more than around 40 oz-in is pretty much a necessity. as for the paddles, i am using the white MA 20gram ones. i only have about 5 flights with them so far but my raptor is like a totally different heli now. wicked fast cyclic and not pitchy at all. you could try less pitch too. no more than +-9

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06-06-2004 05:29 AM  13 years agoPost 8
AA8VL

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OK, Is a larger motor, good pipe, quick servos and light paddles the key to getting a 30 to perform the Toc's (of course with a bit of skill, and good curves)? I am running -9 and +9 on collective

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06-06-2004 07:16 AM  13 years agoPost 9
footlock

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i had the same problem with my raptor 50 - similar frustrations .All i wanted to do was tick tocks and i had the best of everything ....It is definely in the timing ,get a goveor fitted to keep head speed constant and just keep going at them .In my own personal eyes there isnt anything that replaces quality .Get a good tick tock flyer to test you machine to show you if it is poss to do tick tocks with your machine before you go out spending your money !
Keep practising and change the style that you are doing it in and this will help you to learn about the timing...when you can do them you will love it
cheers
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06-07-2004 04:12 AM  13 years agoPost 10
Jack_R30

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U can do it.....

The Magic word 'lead with the collective' !!

Read this link http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t94793p1/


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