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06-05-2004 11:35 PM  13 years agoPost 1
emersonuk

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HAS ANYONE TRIED TRUEFLIGHT 3D???
AND IS IT ANY GOOD???

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06-05-2004 11:40 PM  13 years agoPost 2
Bellypopper

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Tru - Flite

I tried tru-flite, and I have to say I was NOT impressed. The graphics are laughable, and even through the flight physics are reasonable, they are not a patch on reflex. The heli parameters that are adjustable are very limited.

All in all, unless you are offered it very cheaply or you are on a tight budget, I would steer well clear

Cheers
Russ

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06-15-2004 01:13 AM  13 years agoPost 3
maddog7

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Russ,
I feel you dont do truflight justice my lord.
I've used it for the last 18 months and have not yet found anything better.
I've had G2, the original realflight, reflex (not xtr though), AFP which I still use for planks, and csm. IMHO the physics are good, but everything flys like it was expertly set up which is the biggest difference to the real world. The ajustable stuff seems fine to me also if somewhat vague in the instructions. But the good thing about the so so graphics is real time frame rates. I attribute all of my flying abilities (if you can call it that ) to Tru flight.

My biggest gripe with it is that the people who make it are doing bugger all for it, No upgrades or new models or scenery. I mailed them about it but they did not seem interested.

I'm gonna try xtr asap

Cheers D

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06-15-2004 02:23 PM  13 years agoPost 4
TMoore

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The background graphics may be laughable but the heli graphics are quite good as are the physics. The gyro settings are like no other sim in the world, i.e., they are extremely realistic and once a few parameters are changed to suit, the machine flies like a real model.

I have the new XTR and from what I've read on RR, the stock models aren't very realistic. When I finish the hardware updates to my computer I will load it up and see how they compare. I will say that the inverted autos on Tru Flite are pretty good.

maddog7 is right about the support. If you have a problem, email works and I get a response, no question there but new model support and the latest rev is nowhere to be found. Model construction and support on AFP is quite good.

If you are limited on hardware both Tru Flite and AFP will run on most modern video cards at a reasonable rate. In the case of AFP it helps, if you have more video capability than TF. The more complex backgrounds take a lot of video horsepower just like XTR.

TF is more realistic at this point than AFP(IMHO, by degrees) but both will teach you to fly. Once you get past the wonder of the graphics it comes down to which sim will teach you to fly and which sim will let you fly with your mates online or which sim looks the prettiest. When I want to practice something that I want to try in the real world, TF is the one I go to.

Terry

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06-16-2004 02:54 AM  13 years agoPost 5
TMoore

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After getting XTR running here is what I know at the present. The models take some tweaking to get them flying reasonably close. It will take some more tweaking to get them to the point where they are working as well as some other sim models that I am running. The other sims took time to tune their models too.

I haven't found the tach or pitch readout like Tru Flite or the tach function that AFP have. Having a tach function is a setup tool that every sim needs. Knowing what the pitch is helps as well. These are elementary values every modeler needs to know to get the best out of their sim or real model. (Pitch and Tach are only available in the Windowed View). It would be nice to have a pop up box when in full view.

The TX interface setup tools could be a lot better. AFP has the best one that I have used with Tru Flite a close second. The gyro on Tru Flite is better than both XTR and AFP in how it works and how it adjusts.

None of the sims have an auto practice mode. This is where you can start at a pre-set altitude with the rotor head spooled up and practice autos to the pad.

There needs to be a scenery with an asphalt pad other than the standard V4 Reflex so you can practice orientation maneuvers and just hovering.

It's early days for XTR and if you have the computer resources and want the latest and greatest this is it but if you are wanting to learn how to fly either Tru Flite or AFP will work as well.

Terry

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06-16-2004 04:16 PM  13 years agoPost 6
hyperflyer

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I had CSM V10 but had to change it when i got a newer comp as it would not work inwitch the graphics does not compare to trueflight this is my only sim it does it's job it helped my learn to hover in no time at all i will stick with it even for learning 3D i have no thought on geting XTR even tho it's graphics are alot better i will be spending my money on more fuel

watch out curtis here i come !!! 3DM2005

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06-17-2004 11:08 PM  13 years agoPost 7
Johnny Walker

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I have tru flite and reflex XTR, tru flite is very good ,also after a lot of F@@king about so is reflex, with all the probs people are having getting reflex go for the tru flite it will teach you a lot, I am keeping my reflex to run on my laptop as reflex doesn't work very well on it, both have good and bad points get which ever one you can.

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06-18-2004 01:16 AM  13 years agoPost 8
TMoore

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JW,

You are correct about the XTR. I've been sitting here for two days playing silly buggers with the parameters on XTR. To be fair, I did the same thing with TF but not to this degree. XTR reminds me a lot of the Skylark sim I used to have, lots of arcane nomenclature needing little incremental tweaks just to get the feel.

The spatial effects are the best though and the way the camera pans with you as you fly the model is withoug equal right now. XTR does a fine job in this regards. The scenery needs tweaking as well but I can live with it for now.

Terry

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06-18-2004 01:28 AM  13 years agoPost 9
hangten

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I found these two threads discusses the subjects of limitations of flight physics and scenery in detail and were helpful in selecting a sim

http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t103726p1/

http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t101250p1/

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06-18-2004 02:02 AM  13 years agoPost 10
TMoore

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Is anyone seeing an excessive coning angle on the helis is XTR? The models also oscillate just a little at hover rpm.

Take a look at yours and see if this happening. Resolution is 1600X1200X16 million colors.

Terry

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