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06-05-2004 08:40 PM  13 years agoPost 1
daggit

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I live in a small community of population around 10,000. We have a regular sized Wal-Mart, a grocery store, 2 pharmacies, 8 gas stations, 2 lumber yards.

Our town is situated halfway in between two considerably larger communities (14 miles to one 25 miles to the other) where about any major retail outlet you can think of is located. Ususally for major purchases of electronics or to shop for clothes you go to one of these towns.

They want to build a new Super Wal-Mart (gas station, food store included) in our town now and there is some controversy.

My question is whether it's good or bad given the fact it's Wal-Marts goal to destroy competitors (not customer service like they advertise)?

I know all of our retailers and I don't want to see them driven out.

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06-05-2004 08:50 PM  13 years agoPost 2
smegs

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all your local retailers will be gone within a year. It's a proven fact. Can't compete with hack lower prices and cheap labor. Wal-mart has to offer.

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06-05-2004 08:52 PM  13 years agoPost 3
z11355

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at the macro level, it's probably a win for the
town. at the micro/personal level, most of those
ma & pa shops will be out of business and
Walmart will own the town.

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06-05-2004 09:49 PM  13 years agoPost 4
coolhand

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I'm actually in support of Wal-Mart; I don't consider them to have hack lower prices and cheap labor since i personally know what they pay their employees compared to the same union level positions and I can honestly say that Wal-Mart employees do better since they aren't paying 1/6 of their income to the local unions. Their corporate spending policies are frugal to say the least because they want to be able to pass on lower prices to their consumers. Depending on how the sales tax revenues are distributed in Minnesota, you will be drawing in business from the other areas and your town will be getting the benefits of the sales tax generated within your city.
Admittedly, I am anti union for a number of reasons, and I understand the concerns about the smaller businesses being put out of business, but also keep in mind the jobs that will be created, as well as the fact that some people could really benefit from the lower prices, which will still allow for disposable income that will be spent for other things. If people are complaining about high gas prices but don't want Wal-Mart to move in and start selling gas at cheaper prices, then don't complain.

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06-05-2004 09:50 PM  13 years agoPost 5
Chem Geek

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I agree, it will wipe out local businesses. I suppose you do get that wonderful walmart selection, but I think I'd prefer the small town feel.

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06-06-2004 02:10 AM  13 years agoPost 6
trey3670

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ya know the guy that owns your local hardware shop? next year he will be working in the hardware dept of wallmart,it destroys towns.utterlly. left my hometown when i was 18 wallmart had just put a regular wallmart in,came back 10 yrs later,all the local bussiness's where gone(cept the pawn shops) everyone dressed the same,worked at the same place,the only good thing about it was all i had to do to find my old freinds was go to wallmart,now a super wallmart

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06-06-2004 02:16 AM  13 years agoPost 7
daggit

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one interesting thing I found out today... Our last governor (Jessy) signed a law that no gasoline retailer can sell gas for less than $.08 over cost. That protects the small guy from getting destroyed by a large retailer that can sell at a loss.

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06-06-2004 04:24 AM  13 years agoPost 8
Sar

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The other guys are right, they'll drive any local businesses right out of the town and out of business. Walmart doesn't have a great selection despite what people may say. Their lackluster stocking of stuff sucks. They have a 'general' selection of stuff, their electronics section is the pits, their hardware dept is the pits, car audio.. *buzzz* no. Low quality products, low quality employees, long lines, 40 cash registers with only 5 of them open during Christmas. Great place

Probably will benefit the town they start up in, but it's sort of like selling your soul to satan for a V1 hummingbird. It's fun for the first few weeks, but once you realize your screwed it's too late.

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06-06-2004 05:04 AM  13 years agoPost 9
onebigjunker

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Theres no stopping them even if you wanted to, when the want your town they take it, but keep up the hope, but they will have you like a pitbull, with a kid in it mouth(LOL)

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06-06-2004 07:00 AM  13 years agoPost 10
wblteen

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how do you think walmart got so big in the first place, they went to small towns and started putting those ma and pa shops out of business and when they got big enough to compete, they moved into town

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06-06-2004 07:07 AM  13 years agoPost 11
03fomoco

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Depends on what the ma and pa shops sell

As mentioned earlier it will depend on what is being bought and sold. Most specility shops will survive like car audio and high end electronics and convienence stores will suffer the lower common consumer goods.

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06-06-2004 08:45 PM  13 years agoPost 12
SuperBad

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You really ought to reconsider shopping at Walmart. There have been several studies now, and they all show that the presence of a walmart HARMS a local economy. They do not pay a living wage, and they discourage working full time, and make it extremely hard to get benefits such as health insurance. Consequently local governments end up footing much of the bill, in programs like free lunches for kids, and medicaid. DO I like saving money? Yes I do, but not at the expense of my community, I certainly do not need 99.9% of the crap they sell. Who needs most of the cheap chinese junk they sell (what the heck is a "perfect pancake maker" and why can't i just use a normal pan?). Its a waste of raw materials in my opinion.

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06-07-2004 05:54 AM  13 years agoPost 13
Fullagas

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SuperBad said it all!

I find it oddly amusing and ironic that in a cushy vacation community in northern lower Michigan, the rich with summer homes are fighting tooth-and-nail to derail a proposed Wal-Mart. These part-time residents are OK with mindless overdevelopment as long as they're doing it, it's on their terms and, it would seem, not in their back yard.

Daggitt, you should go to one of the meetings and ask about things like tax incentives being given to Wal-Mart (where the taxpayer is paying WM's tax bill), percentage of full-time workers, benefits for employees (as SuperBad pointed out), how many of their stores have union employees, and starting wages. They do tend to steamroll their way through a community.


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06-07-2004 07:56 AM  13 years agoPost 14
crash1953

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Wal Mart wont hurt your town .. I heard the same thing here .. We still have all the same stores we had before Wal Mart and a couple of them have remodeled to bigger stores just to compete with wal mart and they are doing well .At least from what I can see from their parking lots being full . Personally go to the best place to get what I want and that isnt always Wal Mart .. One thing Wal Mart does is get some prices lowered on things you need or want .. They have also said the same thing here about Home Depoe and now they are saying the same thing about a Lowes home center that Lowes want to build here .. I doubt it will make a damn bit of difference one way or another again...Just make it easier to get what you want without going all over town or clear to the other side of town and back .. It might even save you some gas ..

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06-07-2004 08:45 AM  13 years agoPost 15
drsuessmn

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daggitt Waseca was one of the first in MN to get a wal-mart was there a big change then? I know it really didn't hurt owatonna to badly (I think it did target though lol) the only thing is you don't want to go there when your pressed for time because on the busiest day with 20+ registers they have 3 deafmutes working the counters but otherwise their food is pretty good from the grocery and the prices are ok the only problem is I have heard more and more that wal mart is having a hard time with paying there contractor bills for building super walmarts so maybe the craze wont last long lol (ie lawsuits)

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06-07-2004 09:51 PM  13 years agoPost 16
daggit

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I didn't move to Waseca until '93. Wal-Mart was already in place so I don't know it's early effect.

I don't have a lot of room to gripe about a super Wal-Mart hurting our locals. I moved to Waseca in '93 to run the bakery dept. of a big grocery store chain (Hy-Vee). I proceeded to run the little downtown bakery out and killed the bakery dept. of the other grocery chain in town (that store had since changed hands twice and is now closed). Nothing against them it's just business, we did it all better

Far be it from me to stand in the way of progress. Somewhere down the line I believe Wal-Mart will struggle. People will loose interest in the giant impersonal shopping experience and choose something "better"

I predict Wal-Mart will in our life-time go the way of K-mart and be replaced by internet shopping and home delivery

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06-08-2004 07:59 PM  13 years agoPost 17
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Daggett,
I used to live in Waseca many years ago, I drove through last year and it looked like nothing had changed, I think a super walmart would be good for the town. Besides, at the fun fly this year I wil be driving though Waseca each day and may need some pop, ice and bug repelant

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06-08-2004 08:35 PM  13 years agoPost 18
rogers259

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Dont let them in!

Walmart wanted to come into Westerville, OH...on the Corner of Maxtown and Rt3...just outside the uptown district with all the Mom and Pa stores that Westerville is known for...To top it we already had a Krogers and Meijers on either corner...Both doing well and not hurting our other businesses. Enough people complained to the City of Westerville and Westerville denied Walmarts zoning permits and kept them out! Walmart turned around a sued the City for not allowing them to build...City of Westerville still won out and were perfectly fine w/o walmart and the trash it brings in.

Sign petitions and get involved w/ your local goverment and keep Walmart out! otherwise you'll end up like everyone else said...a town where everyone looks alike, has the same things and after 5-10 years a big empty ugly box where walmart used to be cause they will hop-scotch alittle farther out when the town grows to meet them. And you'll be left with no shops and alot of jobless individuals when walmart moves

Good luck keeping them out!!!

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06-09-2004 12:29 AM  13 years agoPost 19
divebomber

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Walmart is the only retailer I know that before going into a community puts on a workshop (at their expense) for local small businesses entitled, 'Suceeding in the shadow of Walmart' (or something like that). It's basically a course on how to diversify and compete against Walmart in areas they aren't strong in, i.e. specialty areas. I don't know of any other retailers that help other competing retailers in the community. In fact, other large retailers, such as Home Depot, celebrate the demise of the smaller local stores with paper headstones in the break room.

However, I believe in a free market, and if Walmart (and Home Depot) didn't have a winning formula, they wouldn't last very long.

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01-02-2005 01:53 AM  12 years agoPost 20
Junker1163

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Waseca, MN, USA

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They're coming in

I am from Waseca myself, and we want the Supercenter in. They have more selection from the current Wal-Mart. Also the food is cheaper that Hy-Vee's and there is more selection. We are all for it and can't wait until they come in, which I think now they are for sure going to build.

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