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06-05-2004 05:15 AM  13 years agoPost 1
bry72

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Which one of these helis do most of you recommend? I'm VERY new to helis. Right now I own a Ergo .60 and 2 Hawks one with a .32 and one with a .50. I'm a total idiot when it comes to helis, this sight has helped me alot so far. I know that some of you are thinking Why in the hell do I want to buy another heli, but i really enjoy building them and I want to build a heli with alot of the Quick UK parts to make one look really good, kinda like everyone does with the T-maxx trucks. any opions would be very helpful.

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06-05-2004 09:06 AM  13 years agoPost 2
acwman

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this subject has come out on runryder about a million times (slight exageration ) do a search on 'raptor sceadu' and you're going to see a lot of opinions...

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06-05-2004 09:57 AM  13 years agoPost 3
bry72

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Thanks, sorry for the dumb question I will start doing a search first before I ask questions.

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06-05-2004 01:48 PM  13 years agoPost 4
acwman

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no probs..I'd personally go for a raptor though

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06-05-2004 10:50 PM  13 years agoPost 5
Cornster

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have owned both....

Loved both of them. I will say the Evo feels more stable in some areas. I also feel it's plastic is much more brittle. I also prefer the TT construction of the main frame with the self tapping screw assembly.

The Evo has a bit longer tail boom thus giving it more tail authority. Haven't noticed any thing negative about the longer tail, just noticed that it holds better in highspeed inverted backwards flight.

The Raptor to me seemed easier to assemble, the Evo manual can be a bit confusing at times trying to trace the lines drawn to indicate mounting locations.

The Raptor is MUCH friendlier if you ever have to replace a mainframe half or servo tray, don't have to disassemble it in it's entirety....the Evo you do.

The Evo seems to have less drag in the tail drive system, both are belt driven but the evo does seem a bit free-er. Maybe it's the different belt make up. The Evo has a cool feature that you can take advantage of, if you want more tail authority than it already has. You can just drop the Freya tail gear drive assembly in place of the Evo one and it will speed up the tail "headspeed".

Both autoed very very well, but the Evo did seem to keep the energy in the blades better, again, I think it's because of the free-er easier moving belt.

Both were MORE than capable of FULL out 3D assault. No complaints from either here.

The main skid struts on the Raptor are much beefier and a bit stiffer, that I liked.

The main shaft on the Evo is a solid shaft vs the Raptor have a hollow shaft. Raptor beats it hands down here. The Raptor main shaft is much stiffer and resistant to bending since it's hollow. I have bent 2 main shafts on my Evo already doing death spirals from 200'-5' into FF flips. Not severly bent, but definately tweaked.

All in all, it's really just a matter of what you want. Both will be MORE than capable of anything you want to do, ANYTHING. They even both crash well, lol.

Repair on both is not expensive, fairly close to same repair costs.

My real only complains with the Evo is the plastic, it doesn't take threading very well and is much more prone to snapping under stress. Where as the Raptor plastic has some give before snapping, but both will break, this I know. The Evo manual can be alarming at first with all the lines tracing mounting locations for the heli. The Evo has to be completely torn down pretty much to replace a frame half.

Only complaints with the Raptor, not as much tail authority as the Evo. Autos are great, but not quite the same energy storage due to the belt system. Some things weren't clear enough in the manual and had to rely on http://www.raptortechnique.com for guidance. No pull pull control system out of the box for the 50, the Evo is pull pull on both cyclic and collective. This gives a much more positive and consistant feel to the heli through all control motions. The gear ratio on the Raptor seemed a bit too high geared at 8.56:1. The 8.7:1 ratio on the Evo seemed much more suitable for my engine. The one-way bearing on the Raptor mainshaft is very finicky. If you even slightly overtighten the Jesus bolt it adds drag and binding to the bearing. The Evo one-way bearing systems was VERY free and smooth, this also helps drastically for autos.

Again, both helis are awsome, both have very readily available parts. Both perform VERY well. Both are slightly different than each other but not enough to say, no question, get this one.

It will really boil down to this, either get the model of heli that most folks at your club are flying. This way you can get easy assistance on hand for most any problem you encounter on that heli. Or, get the one YOU want and you can still get help. Just some folks may not be familiar with the craft you have.

The only alarm to raise right off is this, if you are sure you are going to like heli's, don't cut corners cause you will be buying it later any ways. Meaning, go ahead and get that super awsome 9 channel radio, may not need it all now, but you will eventually. If you are sure you are going to like heli's, go with a 50 right away, cost is not much more but once you learn to fly it you will be much more satisfied. You wont need all digital servos, but they are nice to have. If anything try to atleast have one on the tail. Run the same type of servo for your cyclic controls, and same type of servo for your collective/throttle controls, prevents any strange interactions you could have. Plastic geared servos are fine, just make sure to get servos that can put out 50-100oz of torque for all but the throttle. Read your GYRO instructions, if it says not for 6v reciever packs, don't run 6v, run 4.8v.

Ignore all the jargon my heli is better than yours, craptor this and that. It's all brand loyalty that you are hearing.

Build it, fuel it, learn it, fly it, have fun.


Both heli's setup and run with:
Futaba 7C
Gy-401/9254
9252 throttle/collective
Hitech HS-645 Ultra torque servos on cyclic
O.S. 50SX-H
Cool Power 30% heli
JR 4.8v sub-c reciever pack

Both put through:
FFF flips
Piro stall turns
Flipping loops
Autos
Death Spirals
Tic-Tocs
'normal' stuff like loops and such
and just basically flinging it sometimes


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06-06-2004 12:18 AM  13 years agoPost 6
blakka_1

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i have had both and prefer the raptor

check out these video's of the raptor rockin the show - its a high performance machine

http://www.augustoheli.com/videostu...nSzaboVegas.zip

http://www.augustoheli.com/videostu...k_Raptor_50.zip
I want to build a heli with alot of the Quick UK parts
Quick uk stocks "the most" metal upgrades for the raptor, the raptor can be completley upgraded with metal.

here's some proof

please read through this thread also, it covers the raptor50 vs evo50 scenario

http://www.runryder.com/helicopter/t110720p1/

the evo is a top machine along with the raptor.

i just personally prefer the raptor.

which ever one you choose will make you happy, none will disappoint.

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06-06-2004 12:21 AM  13 years agoPost 7
Davo

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OK, I could have gone the upgrade route with my Raptor 30 but went to an Evo 50, blakka_1 you have issues cos I believe your fathers Evo boomstriked on you twice, any other reason why you don't like it as much as the Raptor 50?

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06-06-2004 12:24 AM  13 years agoPost 8
Davo

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Fair play Cornster, that is a good review. In fact, that is the best review I've seen so far, care to copy and paste that into every Raptor vs. Evo thread?

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06-06-2004 01:35 AM  13 years agoPost 9
bry72

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Thanks guys for the advice. I really liked the pics of the raptor thanks for posting those blakka_1. I guess I can't really go wrong with one or the other the way things sound. Thanks again for taking the time on this beat up subject for a newbie.

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06-06-2004 02:27 AM  13 years agoPost 10
trew

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Cornster, that was a very inspirational review. You make runryder a better forum. I only own a raptor, but have been curious about it versus the Sceadu Evo .50. This helped a lot


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06-06-2004 03:02 AM  13 years agoPost 11
greg

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Cornster,
Excellent, honest review. Keep up the good work. More post like that and Run Ryder will be back on track. Get tired of the "the one you have is the best" comments. Good on ya.

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06-06-2004 03:05 AM  13 years agoPost 12
Cornster

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thanks

thanks, glad you all got the gist of it.

Davo, sure, I can copy it into the threads if you like.


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06-06-2004 03:27 AM  13 years agoPost 13
Cornster

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huh???

SENECA wrote:
"It aint about who HAD them both only listen to those who HAVE both."

So even if someone can't afford to own both at the same time, but has had both, in succession of each other is no fair judge?

Come on bro, RR was set up by Mark as a tool to assist ALL heli flyers, new and old. Everyone should be qualified to report how they feel their heli flys for them. And it's not always the one you fly most that is your favorite. I have friends with multiple helis, yea, they have a certain one they usually fly....cause it costs less if they crash it...practical sense I think.

Anyhow, the way folks refer to you here most times seems as tho they carry a lot of respect for you, so how bout showing it by being supportive and cutting down on the negative?

Cornster

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06-06-2004 04:51 AM  13 years agoPost 14
bry72

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Thanks CORNSTER for all the info that is exactly what I was looking for. My biggest problem is I don't know anyone around here who flys helis all my friends either play with the cars or planes. I already own 2 hawks and a ergo .60 sport. I use a JR 8103 and a hitec eclipse seven I have just been teaching myself how to fly(and keeping my hobby shop happy with all the blades and landing struts I buy).
Is a YS 61 a good engine I have one in the ergo(which I've never flown) I bought the ergo used It has Carbon V-blades, tail blades, paddles, It has a metal rotor head, 8311 servos, and JR G500T gyro.
I'm to scared to fly it and tear stuff up. Is it worth it for me to hold on to until I learn to fly my hawks without crashing. A guy at the hobby shop told me he would buy it for $600 I dont know if thats a good deal or not since it is used. I just traded some r/c cars I had to a guy for it. And again thanks for the review/info you provided.

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06-06-2004 04:43 PM  13 years agoPost 15
Cornster

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SENECA

agreed and understood. Thot you were climbing that soap box again hehehe.


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06-06-2004 04:48 PM  13 years agoPost 16
Cornster

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bry72

Glad it was informative enough for you. As SENECA said, it really just boils down to what YOU want and LIKE. Don't be afraid of either one, they are both superb, can't go wrong with either.

As to your YS engine question, yes, it's a great engine. Just about anything with the YS label on it will keep you happy. Definately hold onto your Ergo, it will be a fun machine once you get your legs. Btw, I think the guy at the hobby shop is trying to play on your lack of knowledge and rob you of your Ergo, don't sell it unless you really want to. :P

Again, glad it was helpfull to you, keep us posted on what you get.


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