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HelicopterRobbe Cuatro - Millennium - Nova - Dyna-X › Millie PRO 3 crashed and burned!
06-04-2004 11:33 PM  13 years agoPost 1
Heligio

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hi guys,

last weekend at the field i saw someone's millie pro drilling himself in to the ground during it's 5th 3D flight, when we had taken a closer look to the millie we found out that the 2 rotation blocking pins from the washout base are gone! they are not broken, just ripped out of the washout base!
So millie pro owners out there, you should be warned!!!

regards,
Gio.

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06-05-2004 01:14 PM  13 years agoPost 2
Kristjan

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Did anyone take any pictures of the crashed Mille?

K.

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06-06-2004 05:26 PM  13 years agoPost 3
Simon Brown

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my pins came loose on my Mill 3.
one fell out completly and the second was found to be hanging on by the tip.

I would suggest that the problem is that the mixer block is manufatured from the same soft cheesy plastic as per the first batch of mixer arms.
thus, it wil bruise and loosen on the pins.

Robbe need to make this block from the same material they make Furtura SE and Millennium2 parts. Harder with higher glass content!..

Just my thoughts and finds.

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06-07-2004 05:03 AM  13 years agoPost 4
TMoore

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Simon,

This is what I've been saying all along. When you have a successful formula you don't go messing it up. The Futura SE had almost all of the bugs worked out and only minor things remained.

Sorry to hear of your troubles. It is a shame that a highline kit like the Milli P3 isn't close to perfection after all of Robbe's past experience.

Terry

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06-07-2004 01:01 PM  13 years agoPost 5
tim tompkins

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T Moore

Sir,
You seem t be taking an odd interest in bashing Robbe.They will never go back to the past,no compny does.I can't buy a new air cooled VW anymore either.Yes the formula was changed on the plastic.I have three gallons of CP 30 through my Milli III and the original bits are in perfect condition.I had some trouble with the clutch but I'm not off the machine!I'm proud to be a Robbe rep and it bothers me that even though you don't have one,youre an expert on the things Robbe does wrong. Your opinion might be mistaken for facts. TimT
PS Antiques don't count

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06-07-2004 01:30 PM  13 years agoPost 6
Foxden

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Millennium III

I fly with Tim T, and his Milli 3 is an awesome machine, like he said he had a slight problem with the clutch and it was fixed the very next day. We have quite a collection of Heli's at our field from Raptor 60, Predators, Nova, Milli 2, Robbe SE. From what I've expierenced the new Milli 3 Pro out fly's them all.

I guess it goes back to how it was put together, Tim is a master builder and looking at how this new machine was put together by Dick Kaiser and Tim, it goes to show the knowledge they both have in building there machines. Tim did all the control rods and final adjustments and everything is as smooth as silk.

It's very easy to bash something when you don't own one yourself.

Clyde

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06-07-2004 02:06 PM  13 years agoPost 7
Foxden

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Janek

Has he had a tail drive strip yet ?,NO or has the tail stalled yet,NO what about the eCCPM control rods, they failed yet ?,NO how about the washout arms, are they flexing in flight,NO how about the swashplate, has he got the QUK 'upgrade' yet ?, NO has any of his links fallen off in flight yet ? NO

I think Tim is just starting his 4th gallon of fuel in the Milli and so far other than the clutch shoe breaking he hasn't had any problems. The YS91 is being a bugger and we'll get that worked out but the Heli has been fine.

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06-07-2004 02:30 PM  13 years agoPost 8
iachia

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The funny part of this story is that the most part of people telling us about the problems of the milli 3 never saw one for real nor have it or have flown it.
everyone is entitled to an opinion but I tend to listen more to people who have actual experience of what they're talking about.
You may find that a rep will always tend to promote his product:I'm not a robbe rep, I pay it myself and I'm not even intrested in telling you how great the milli 3 and I'm sharing with you my experiences:
I think I'm about to complete my first 30 liters on my milli 3 and never had one of the problems you're talking about.

I had a crash due to a defective bolt: in 2 days I got all the broken parts from robbe for free! this is a good customer service IMO.

What makes me smile is the fact that you talk for example about the tail mechanism
The stock M III tail mechanism isn't worth anything, as it's a step backwards, because it is much worse that the Millie II
without even having a clue of how it works in real life. Now that they took the speed up to 5:1 the tail is perfectly efficient. it can be a little noisy at the beginning but as it breaks in the noise will dissapear.
Everybody was complaining about the milli 2tail drive: now all of a sudden it's a state of the art piece?
I won't comment about the canopy because it's a metter of personal tastes.

have a good day

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Synergy N9

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06-07-2004 03:14 PM  13 years agoPost 9
iachia

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the mixing arms have been changed and they now comes with the new kits or as a free upgrade so that's no point any more. Mine are not flexing and you posted a reply to that message telling him that the free upgrade from robbe is the way to solve the problem...
simon brown is for sure a great pilot but he was talking about the old arms (at least this is what I understud, correct me if I'm wrong).

Well, maybe it's all about luck or about how the kit is put togheather...
The milli 3 owners that I'm in contact with (including myself) didn't have those problems.

Anyway time will tell

bye

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06-07-2004 03:16 PM  13 years agoPost 10
tim tompkins

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Robbe rep

Being a Robbe rep doesn't mean that I don't pay as much as anybody else.With the new robbe usa web site prices less 40%,I never got that deal before.I never would deny anyones right to express an opinion.I would just prefer that the opinion was from reality not simply personal taste.Too many new folks get their information here from good talkers that have a certain slant.This is no different than reading the local newspaper and getting the left's view unapposed.I needed to state that I see so much negative negative and more negative, that somebody should speakup for the best new machine that I have ever flown.My gears aren't noisey, my plastic isn't flimsy, I don't hate the canopy or the rods either.The statement about the rods are too long made me laugh out loud.How possibbly can our tail rotors work with a single two foot rod?I'm going to love to fly this machine no matter what people say but some new fellows might never give it a second look.The bottom line is; YOU guys' opinion carries weight,so don't dilute it with fiction please.
TimT

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06-07-2004 03:57 PM  13 years agoPost 11
TMoore

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Tim,

I was a Robbe rep from long ago. For 11 years actually. In fact I was one of only two fully sponsored pilots in the US. Do I need to tell you what a sponsored pilot is? I didn't pay for helicopters. parts, fuel, radios, travel or expenses. Have you ever been to Grebenhain? Ever seen the Factory? Actually there is not much to see. Before you start dragging someone over the coals and questioning their motives, better be sure what they know. You said I was an expert, not me. Don't put words in peoples mouths. BTW, I'm pretty knowledgeable on the the things they do right too.
You seem t be taking an odd interest in bashing Robbe.They will never go back to the past,no compny does.I can't buy a new air cooled VW anymore either.Yes the formula was changed on the plastic.I have three gallons of CP 30 through my Milli III and the original bits are in perfect condition.I had some trouble with the clutch but I'm not off the machine!I'm proud to be a Robbe rep and it bothers me that even though you don't have one,youre an expert on the things Robbe does wrong. Your opinion might be mistaken for facts. TimT
PS Antiques don't count
Antiques don't count, my a**. Argue on the basis of facts. Tail rotor pushrods are supported over pretty much the entire length. When you plant your machine because a carbon rod failed, remember this conversation, I still maintain, Robbe could do a better job. At the price of these kits, they damn well need to.

Terry

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06-07-2004 06:03 PM  13 years agoPost 12
tim tompkins

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I'm disapointed

All I wanted here was to point out that all of us don't hate Robbe products.Terry sure put me in my place.I'm so sorry that I felt the urge to defend the machine.It must be junk,I can't possibbly know the difference,just let me go away and shut up.This is the sort of food fighting that poisoned other sites.
TimT

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06-07-2004 06:09 PM  13 years agoPost 13
Foxden

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Hey Tim,

Let's just go burn a few more cases of fuel through that piece of junk, better yet why don't I just trade you one of the Raptors for it.

I know, I'll just go and dig my GMP Cricket out, I'm getting tired of all this new stuff that's on the market anyway....

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06-07-2004 07:02 PM  13 years agoPost 14
tim tompkins

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Clyde RE My Milli III

I'm having such a crisis that I think I should just drive my truck over it.That way I won't have to walk way out in the field to look for the pieces.Do you think I should remove the GV 1 and the digital servos before I trash them too?The fishing pole rods are so cool I'd hate to loose them out in the pasture.I hope Paul doesn't revoke my status as a rep.now that I have been put in my place. TimT

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06-07-2004 07:16 PM  13 years agoPost 15
TMoore

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Tim,
All I wanted here was to point out that all of us don't hate Robbe products.
Fine, don't count me as a Robbe hater. Remember who fired the shot that started this food fight. The tone of your post wasn't warranted. We all have opinions and RR is one possible place to express them. If you think the machine is worth $1,200.00 US, go for it. Talk about the fine points.

I would like nothing more than for Robbe to regain market share. IMHO, they won't do it with a heavy, parts laden machine. Look at the history, been there done that. Remember the Gold Futuras? If you don't think that companies never go back you are sadly mistaken. Look around at the plethora of auto mfg's that have gotten back to basics because customers go tired of cars that got crappy gas mileage, had poor maintenance records and cost too much.

Curtis did the same thing to the SE, lower parts count, stiffer frames, more reliable drivetrain, lower weight and tighter control system. Do you see a pattern here? Robbe went back, back to basics.

I'm not the only one that feels this way, there are plenty of astute people that have picked up on the same thing. Robbe continue to make the same mistakes as before, sourcing their parts to high cost producers, not paying attention to quality control, and announcing models well before they can actually deliver the product.

Best of luck with your machine, my friend. I hope you enjoy it.

Terry

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06-07-2004 07:20 PM  13 years agoPost 16
scarlson

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Terry,
If I'm wrong I'm sorry, but didn't we hear this from you... the last thirty some times? I think we all know where you stand, thanks for your opinion, duely noted...

Tim T.
Thanks.... glad to see I'm not the only one that still has some faith in Robbe.

Steve

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06-07-2004 07:51 PM  13 years agoPost 17
TMoore

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Sreve,

I got no beef with you or Tim. I thought this was a civil discussion. This needs to be taken offline at this point.

Terry

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06-07-2004 08:38 PM  13 years agoPost 18
tim tompkins

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Janek

The reference to the long push rods came from another thread that Terry posted in, here is a copy of the message.

"the pushrods are way too long, hence the carbon fiber fishing poles for the CCPM mechanism. "

I'm on my 4th gallon of fuel and haven't had any problems with them.

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06-07-2004 09:11 PM  13 years agoPost 19
Simon Brown

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ooo hi guys.

I have just picked up on this rather agressive conflab on the Mill 3.

As robbe Uk pilot of 10 years in the UK, I was honoured to get the first Mill 3 off the pallet in the uk. Sorry for bob Johston but I got hold of mine a week before him and had a gallon and half throught it before he started on his.

My findings were reported back to Robbe UK immeadiatly and when bob Johnston found exactly the same problems with his, these were fed directly back to Robbe, at which point Robbe Germany replied immeadiatly to Bob and RObbe uk which of course, I was privy to a copy.

Our findings on the release machines were.

Tail push rod end sheared off after a gallon of flying. First gallon was running in and then backward rollin saw the link end fail.
Robbe tested these ends and did admit that they did fail prematurly, and as a result, they immeadialty replaced them with a better part.

The link through the side for the elevator front bell cranks, stripped out the castle fitting after a short amount of time.
As a result of these findings, Robbe have modified this to a steel shaft and different more solid termination.

My tail and Bobs stalled when doing rippers and agressive travelling piroeuettes. The lower initial ratio because of the 17/20 tail gears, meant that the initial ratio was quite a bit slower.
Robbe reacted to this by return and all kits will be 5.1 ratio due to the one to one i the tail box from now on.

I found and bob found that as we all know, that the mixer arms were manufactured from a very flexible plastic. Robbe have replaced these with a firmer plastic. On mine these still flex more than I might like, but Quick UK are releasing metal arms which might be a good upgrade for those who find this a concern..

With mine, I did have considerable movement (play) in the swashplate after only a few flights. I have a quick uk swashplate on now which remains tight and gives me a better slop free control system..

Several pilots and now including me, have had the guide pins come loose. I reckon the block is made of the same plastic as the original arms thus a little soft and might bruise and pins can come out. I have not heard of the Robbe Solution but feel sure they will sort this by return..

Canopy is a matter of taste. I rather like it, but favoured the sleeker Mill 2 canopy initialy. However, if one has that opinion, simply fit the Mill 2 MS canopy. Looks the dogs and still fits no worries.

My current problem of taking clutch shoes every flight, I will resolve as I am now informed that this is not a world wide issue.. Thus I need to get back in there and sort my life out with it..

I just pitch in here as I see my name used in a conversation I did not know about.. So above is how things happened in the UK..

If anything, it has been a bit of a shame that we have found these problems as they should not have got to us. All these things were found rather quickly, but equally, were fixed by Robbe without problems.

simon.

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06-07-2004 09:25 PM  13 years agoPost 20
Simon Brown

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tweaks
just remembered one thing we have done in the uk generally.
When buidling the rear gearbox, we put the tail output shaft to exit on the same side as a Mill2 and Futura se would..
I.e. on the left side, looking from it's rear..

geometry of the tail pitch control was far better suited to the original side than the suggested new side in the Mill 3 instructions.

Basically because we have the standard amount of pitch on the blades in a hover situation, it puts the control yolk off set towards the gearbox casing.
Relative to putting it all on the orniginal side, there is alot less movement for right rudder.

putting it on the old way makes things work really well.

chow
simon.

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