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06-03-2004 02:28 PM  13 years agoPost 1
Eury

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This is an honest question. Why would a club prohibit helis? I genuinely don't get it. I've been looking for a local club to join, so I'm not alway flying by myself behind my house (I have a ton of land, but it's nice having other people around). I sent some emails to various clubs in the area, and here's a reply I got:

My Message:

I saw on the AMA website that you have an RC flying club in Rollinsford. Can you send me some info on the club, like where you fly, dues, number of members etc? I live in Strafford and work in Dover, and mainly fly helis. I am an AMA member.


The Reply I got was:

Nicholas,
We fly at the Sod Farm in Berwick, ME off Ridlen Rd. The dues are $40 to join and we have at present approx. 45 members. But our club bylaws
prohibit helis. If you are still interested than let me know and I will put you in touch with the club secretary for membership.
Sincerely, FS


I've written him back asking why they prohibit helis, and specifically if I go and fly a plane, and want to put the heli in the air, am I not allowed to put a heli in the air at all? I just don't get it.

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06-03-2004 02:35 PM  13 years agoPost 2
armageddon

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Old Farts stuck in their ways..

Scared of what they don't understand..

Most of these clubs are more for social reasons
rather than for the hobby..

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WHAT SIGNATURE?

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06-03-2004 02:43 PM  13 years agoPost 3
pepper

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start your own club??

pepper

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06-03-2004 02:57 PM  13 years agoPost 4
Eury

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I should look into starting a club, I don't know how many local heli pilots there are, though. Maybe I'll make another post.....

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06-03-2004 03:00 PM  13 years agoPost 5
pepper

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do what i am doing. the thrifty nickle charges 30 bucks or so to put a big add in their paper. i stated that anyone wanting to fly to contact me. i am currently flying at a JR high field but am looking around for something else..

pepper

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06-03-2004 03:03 PM  13 years agoPost 6
pilotError

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Get used to it

The two factions usually don't get along because of the way the two types of aircraft fly. They usually don't mix well in the same airspace.

If you can't beat em convert em. I think helis are starting to reach a critical mass by me. We've got some of the long time plane flyers now getting into heli's and causing some pressure on the old establishment.

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06-03-2004 03:15 PM  13 years agoPost 7
reddragon

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Heli pilots are so abused! Pepper is right, strat your own club. In your by-laws sates that PLANE FLYERS ARE NOT ALLOWED. Just because there are fewer helicopter pilots doesn't mean that we should take their sh*t. This is just one reason that I did not join the AMA. Dinosaurs.

Wayne - Fly it like you stole it! You're in good hands with Runryder!

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06-03-2004 03:38 PM  13 years agoPost 8
donlynn

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Heli's and planks works for us !

Gidday

We have a ~50 acre paddock with empty paddocks of similar size surrounding

The field entry road alighned with the runway goes 2/3 into the paddock to the pits and std shipping container with windsock.

planks on the left side of the entry road, helis the other.
~50 m strip in the middle, the pits and parking is a no fly zone

Works really well,
about 12 heli pilots
on the sunday morning it can be flat out with up 4 planks and 4 helis all flying at once.
about 3/4 of the heli pilots fly planks.
I rekon 3./4 of the answer is to pit and bs together, I offer a buddy cord to anyone.

Regards Don

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06-03-2004 05:03 PM  13 years agoPost 9
archangel

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I would think that one club that allows Airplanes and Helis would be stronger than two clubs that are mutually exclusive.

Try telling them that you will fly the same pattern as the airplanes, that you won't hover on downwind, etc. Try anything to get them to let you fly there. Play by their rules...

Once you're in, then you can gradually get them used to helis.

It sounds really cool at first to start your own club, or to have an "us-vs.-them" attitude with airplane fliers, but at the end of the day, its couter-productive. If we want our hobby to keep growing, we need to get new pilots and airplane pilots are a good pool to begin with.

I live in the Los Angeles area (San Gabriel Valley to be specific). For a population of about 4 million people there are only two public flying fields, one of which closes at 2:30 PM. These fields are both about a ten minute drive from my house. The next closest public field is over a 40 minute drive for me.

This may be the most populated city in the country, so you would assume that there would be a lot of RC pilots here. Even so, space is at a premium and our fields are constantly threatened by development.

Out here, we have to work together to keep our hobby alive. We have to respect each others' flying styles and get along. We have our differences from time to time, but we work them out.

Good Luck and I wish you the best!

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06-03-2004 05:10 PM  13 years agoPost 10
Torito

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Laredo, TX

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I fly at a planker field. There are only 6 heli pilots down here and about 40 plankers. We usually take turns between the helis and the planks in the air and have managed well with out incidents and complaints. Some people want the entire air space to themselves and do not follow the same pattern in the air and that's when it becomes a problem.

A flying day down here usually starts at about 8:00 AM and ends around 1:00 PM. With 10 min. flights everyone can get to fly if they get organized and take turns with the air space. They have let us paint a neon circle in the middle of their runway for autoing and set some helipads on the runway.

reddragon has a very good point. Helis are bashed really bad about being a deadly flying machine that is out there to hurt people, while planks can be just as deadly.

We had an incident a couple of years ago with a 1/5 scale Cub that had an engine failure and the guy landed it on the highway. There was an 18 wheeler on the road and jackknifed when the driver saw the plane land.

So it is not really what you fly, it's how much knowledge you have about your aircraft and how responsible you fly.

--------So that's what this switch is for!!!

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06-03-2004 05:27 PM  13 years agoPost 11
maller

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If a plank club doesn't want you there, why would YOU want to fly with them? I'd rather fly by myself than be around other people that are biased against what I am doing.



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06-03-2004 05:39 PM  13 years agoPost 12
rcnuts

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All this animosity between planks and helis makes me realize how fortunate heli pilots are that fly at the Lancaster RC club, in Lanc PA. We all just get along! (planks are prevelant, but there are still plenty of helis) If your going to get crap at a local club for flying what you want, whats the point of getting involved in this hobby / sport?? I am into it because its a release, not because I feel like getting into a hassel with narrow minded hobbists that cant relate to my toy heli. Dude, I would seriously consider starting a club that welcomes both helis and planks, or just keep flying behind your house. Bummer!
Harris,

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06-04-2004 01:19 AM  13 years agoPost 13
Eury

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This is good. I wrote back after his message:

Me:

Why would your club prohibit helis? If I am a member and flying my planes, I am absolutely NOT allowed to put one of my helis in the air?


Reply from Backwards A$$h0l3:

Nicholas,
It is in the bylaws of the club that helicopter flying is not allowed. Under NO circumstances is anyone in the club allowed to fly helicopters
period! If this bothers you than you need to look elsewhere for a club to join.
FS


I wrote the Fuhrer back thanking him for his time and accepting nature. I thought about asking if that meant I had to give up helis in the entirety, and goose-step with him, or if I was only prohibited from flying my helis at their field, but decided that it wasn't' worth the effort. Oh well, movin' on, movin' on.

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06-04-2004 02:26 AM  13 years agoPost 14
cannonfoo

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i thought if the field is ama sanctioned they had to allow everything the ama allows. (well except turbines and experiments)

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06-04-2004 02:28 AM  13 years agoPost 15
Eury

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Common misconception, the AMA doesn't care what you allow and what you don't. It's just too bad, so many clubs have no problems with the helis, it's just morons like that.

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06-04-2004 03:16 AM  13 years agoPost 16
sabooo

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Its not only heli's.. lots of clubs are trying to prohibit '3d' flight of planks too. Our club has decided (much to my delight) that so long as everyone is exhibiting MUTUAL RESPECT, the problems will be few and far between. Anyone being an arse gets asked to leave.

The 'clockwise circle with traffic' crowd is starting to feel themselves slipping into the minority. I think you'll see alot more debate on the issue as more and more new people get into the hobby, attracted to the capabilities of modern models. Rules like this are a last ditch effort to hold onto the old ways. Clubs that have them will eventually run out of members.

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06-04-2004 06:28 AM  13 years agoPost 17
Fullagas

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eurylokhos,
It is in the bylaws of the club that helicopter flying is not allowed. Under NO circumstances is anyone in the club allowed to fly helicopters
Why not forward this to your AMA rep and the HQ for their comments? Follow up with a letter to the AMA mag. One segment of this small RC community shouldn't ban another. Do they ban park fliers? Quarter-scale? WW1 biplanes? Formula 1 racing? Combat? Each of these presents its own risk. Heli fliers are generally much more skilled than plankers. More people have been killed flying planks than helis, maybe they should outlaw planks if safety is their worry.

Next they'll outlaw crashin'!


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Flying helis since gyros had springs.

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06-04-2004 02:21 PM  13 years agoPost 18
reddragon

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Now that is an interesting point. But I bet the AMA will come back with a statement like...

"It is not our policy to police each individual club and who they allow in. We will not police what is flown at the field as long as it is flown in a safe way and the aircraft does not put the lives of any spectator or pilot in any danger. As long as the basic rules of the AMA are adhered to and followed then the club is allowed at their own discretion certain rights to which we have no say."

Sounds like BS doesn't it? It's called "red tape". The continuous process to remove ones self from any sort of resolution in any matter and to keep the wheels of the machine turning.

Wayne - Fly it like you stole it! You're in good hands with Runryder!

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06-04-2004 02:34 PM  13 years agoPost 19
Eury

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Definitely burned the bridge....

Well, obviously I don't want to join that club, or any like it. I wrote him back one final time today asking him why helis aren't allowed, since he hasn't answered that question yet. I also asked where the line was drawn, if autogyros were permitted or not, and if biplanes, triplanes, or delta wing canard type planes were also prohibited since they are also outside the norm. I don't expect to get an answer, I was really just being a dick to him in the last email. I couldn't help it, sometimes you feel wronged and you just need to vent.

I flew on Monday with at the NRCMC field. Now that is a club. The club president was there, along with a bunch of other people, and I was one of 2 people with helis there, and couldn't have felt more welcome. We took turns, the way it should be, and they had a seperate hovering area to practice in. I'm going to go check out another field tomorrow that sounds very friendly and active. Obviously it won't be the Ponderosa RC Hawks.

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06-04-2004 03:29 PM  13 years agoPost 20
pilotError

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Not worth the aggravation

Why pursue it. The AMA allows each club to police itself, which is how it should be. Unfortunately this particular club banned heli's. The plank field I fly at banned combat and is on the verge of banning turbine planes. The heli's are severely restricted for no good reason other than personal hatred.

I had the chief field controller tell me to my face he hated helis in front of all the cronies down there. I smiled (actually laughed in his face), and asked him why. He offered some silly reason, but I think it drove the point home to him and his buddies that they didn't have a good reason. Now I'm on a mission to convert one guy at a time.

If you have the ability to go somewhere else or start you own club, do it. Its a hobby, its supposed to be fun. If it isn't, whats the point?

Mike...

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