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06-05-2004 03:14 AM  13 years agoPost 21
allns47

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Richmond IN.

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Boom mount servos are for looks only...That has been asked many times and the result is boom mounted servos are for what they call bling, bling,,just like all the other metal upgrades...A stock raptor can do all 3d moves without any metal upgrades....Spend no money on upgrades

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06-05-2004 04:36 AM  13 years agoPost 22
acwman

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I don't want to get into a sqaubble over upgrade paths. In the end, it will be up to the individual person to decide wether a certain upgrade is worthwhile or not.

Certain helicopters are just not worth upgrading...Looking at yr profile allns47, you have a nexus and concepts...With relatively few aftermarket upgrades available, you have to go out and get the Kyosho Zeal parts, which probably won't make it fly any better, but will just get rid of the slop.

Way...way back, I also upgraded a shuttle with all the components I could find...and yes I could have bought another 2 shuttles for what I did, and it was still as sloppy as ever, and dindn't fly any better. The standard stock raptor still flew better than my fully kitted out...ridiculasly expensive shuttle! (This is one heli I wouldn't upgrade!)

The individual should look at their own ability in how they fly, their flying style and see what they think they may benefit from. Agreed, not all upgrades are worthwhile, and do little or nothing to the characteristics of how the helicopter flies, but there are parts that do.

The head does have minimal slop on a raptor....when new..but

For instance the standard washout on the raptor, with a couple of gallons through the heli, creates a noticeable amount of slop, whereas the metal upgrade will last you considerably longer. If I were using the plastic item, and it got sloppy, I would not go out and buy another plastic stock item!

Give a person who's capable of some hard aggressive 3d flying a stock raptor, and a raptor with an upgrade metal headblock, they're definenately going to notice the difference in flying.

I've managed boom strikes with the standard plastic head and grips....haven't managed it on my 'metal upgrade headblock'...yet

As I said, everything stock is fine for the beginner, but as their abilities improve, and parts wear out, buy upgrades what you feel is required.

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06-05-2004 05:08 AM  13 years agoPost 23
RC-J

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Lexington Ky

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I'm pretty much in the same boat as you.
Here is my set up
30V2 39tt pro with bearing upgrade
JR 6102 radio
JR 500T gyro with 810G servo
4 JR 537 standard servos.

I've been flying the sim about 30-45 minutes a day since January of this year. I can nose-in, flips, rolls, etc... until the cows come home. In real life I've only hovered tail in and nose in some. I'm too nervous to do anything else right now. Even with a rotopod. At the moment I only have flown 1/2 gallon.

I got the kit version and built it myself. My flying experience has been slowed down some due to little setup bugs when I built the kit. I wouldn't trade the learning curve of building it myself for anything though.

Flight 1. Was ended after two tanks due to the motor leaning out at about 5 minutes of flight time. The problem was traced back to a leaking stock muffler. I bought a cheap Maverik pipe and it fixed the problem.

Flight 2. Tail rotor and gyro issues. Got them solved and flew some more.

Flight 3. Vibrations from the clutch/fan assembly. Flew threw them, and now that is where I'm at now. I have to balance them and reinstall them.

The only mods I have are the maverik pipe for the tt39/os32, maverik rear servo mount (aesthetic reasons only), whip antenna (aesthetic reasons only), and a header tank (flight time). I don't really consider these mods since they were so cheap.

Now that my heli is setup and debugged, I plan to log a lot more flight time. I hope this helps.

Oh I can not reiterate the importance of http://www.raptortechnique.com and a simulator. I took my heli on the first tank from tail to nose in hover. I couldn't have down it without the simulator.

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06-05-2004 08:52 AM  13 years agoPost 24
helicopter34

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New Jersey, exit 82

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Replacements first before upgrades

Since its used you are going to have to make sure everything is in good condition. Wiggle all moving parts and notice if there is a lot of wear in the part. The function of any linkage system is to translate servo motions into change in blade pitch (or whatever) so do a little test. Twist your flybar paddles a little and see how much give there is in your system. If you can twist it a good amount before you hear gears in your servo spinning, then you have a lot of slop, and you need to track down what part is causing that slop and try to eliminate it. Slop in your setup will cause the pitch in one or both of your blades to change when you don't tell it to causing unstable flight. Also make sure that your servo don't seem too sloppy or they might need replacing. Make sure every screw is tight and everything seems like its functioning (if you aren't sure how something is suppose to function then ask someone on RR). Definitely training make gear, definitely get a sim.

Make it idiot-proof, and someone will make a better idiot

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06-05-2004 09:52 AM  13 years agoPost 25
ChrisClarke

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wow! some good info there.. cheers guys.. gonna look for a sim right now.. can you control the sims from your transmister? or such like?

in answer to somebodies question i'm in marlow in bucks..

thanks

chris

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06-05-2004 11:02 AM  13 years agoPost 26
drsuessmn

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Ellendale Minnesota USA

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in G2 the sim comes with cables to plug into your transmitter and into the g2 transmitter I do not know about the others if you are using a 9c or another futaba with square trainer jack you will need to buy the square to square trainer cord 15.00 usd otherwise the included cables will work with most any other transmitter just remember to take youre module/xtal out before using to save module and to increase battery life

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06-05-2004 01:57 PM  13 years agoPost 27
acwman

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I've tried many sims. Most use your own transmitter, though yes G2 comes with its own dummy box. Some sites claim that the using your own Tx will help keep the pots healthy and clean...though I just personally think it will wear the Pots out alot quicker!

Reflex XTR (in my opinion) is probably the one to get. Nice price compared with others available...with photo realistic graphics, which take you a step closer to flying the real thing. You'll need quite a high spec machine to run it, + a half decent graphics card. My computer is 2.2 ghz with the geforce4 graphic card, and it seems to run fine on the lower res...still looks impressive though. You have to also use your own tx for this. I use an old tx for the sim, and not the one I fly my helis with.

If you do feel that you will get into helis, and plan to change your tx at a later date, use your tx you have at the moment and get Reflex XTR

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06-07-2004 04:27 AM  13 years agoPost 28
DAVE62278

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Ridgetown, Ontario, Canada

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Chris
Welcome to the "darkside", as some affectionly call it. Life as you know it will never be the same!!! The weather on the days you have to work will always be perfect for flying. The weekend weather will suck unless you have another commitment and couldn't go flying anyway. While driving around, you'll look at every grassed area and visulize your heli taking off on a perfect flight. Everything purchase your thinking about making will be questioned and converted into heli-dollars, (I probably don't need that new drill after all besides it's worth a pair of carbon fibre blades) Your bookmark list will soon become un-managable just because of all the heli related sites you add daily.

Glad you found RunRyder, you'll the help here tremendous. Don't be afraid to ask what may seem like a dumb question, we all were new to this great hobby once ourselves.

Again welcome and good flying
Dave

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06-08-2004 11:05 AM  13 years agoPost 29
ChrisClarke

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UK

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hi,
somebody mentioned upgrading my radio gear.. would an upgrade to:

Futaba Skysport 6H FP-EVH, 6 channel digital proportional radio control system
8 channel FP-R138DF receiver
FD-G154 rate gyro
Batteries for both the transmitter and the receiver
A transformer for charging both batteries

(no servos though)
be of any use? is that better than my JR radio gear (my current radio gear specs are at the top of this thread) ?

thanks
chris

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06-08-2004 11:25 AM  13 years agoPost 30
acwman

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Hi chris

don't know where you are going with these bits...
you are NOT going to be any better off with them.

The TX is NO better than the one you already have.
The 154 gyro, you may as well chuck straight in the bin.
(its an old mechanical gyro)

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06-08-2004 11:59 AM  13 years agoPost 31
ChrisClarke

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hi,
ah.. ok cheers ;-) somebody offered them to me cheap..

thanks
chris

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06-08-2004 12:03 PM  13 years agoPost 32
Renegade2473

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UK Newcastle Upon Tyne

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simulator!

Yes,you need a simulator if you are just starting out.Its better to crash a computor generated heli,rather than a real life model.£'s!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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