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06-02-2004 02:47 AM  13 years agoPost 1
wademcgee

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Kennesaw,Ga.

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Made a simple carbon plate for my HS50 and moved the servo just under the boom on my zoom 400. Just had too much binding and slop with the stock setup. $2.00 peice of carbon rod and a couple fo du-bro connectors...VOILA all set. Response is much crisper and it locks much better. Wasn't totally displeased with the stock setup but this is much better and the CG seems a lot happier as well. I was able to bump the gain up a notch as well. Good authority.

Here is a quick video, I know lame quality, but it was getting dark and I had to beg the wife to hold the camera. You can get the idea of how the tail tracks in backwards tumbles at least.

Good video to follow this weekend!!!


Backwards Tumbles with rear mounted servo

Later,
Wade

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06-02-2004 03:06 AM  13 years agoPost 2
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Anaheim, Ca

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Wade, ok, so sell me the tail setup

Any other mods? I noticed your paddles are black. White seems to be stock. What paddles are those and did you modify the paddles or flybar to increase cyclic response?

I was thinking about slightly lengthening the flybar and lighten the paddles.

Looks like I might be able to slide the whole weight and paddle assembly out slightly to increase the length or replace the flybar with longer wire stock. Might even hollow out the paddles to lighten also.

---Freya Evo TJ Pro/Rev Max(rep) Magnum(rep)

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06-02-2004 03:10 AM  13 years agoPost 3
wademcgee

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Few mods

From the H2 learning experience I just applied a couple of freebie mods:

1. Made an EL CHEAPO carbon brace to screw the HS-50 to and used the existing hole in the rear of the frame. Simple rod, and a couple of dubro connectors. Otherwise same setup with the 240.
2. Forgot to mention. Those are typical throw away paddles that come with any Piccolo. I had them left over from my Piccolo pro. Bolted right up, no problems. Nice, cheap, and easy solution to the bricks that come on the thing.

I am really happy with the little guy. Pretty cheap investment and I have about 20 flights on it...all successful. No weird mid-air explosions like I have become accustomed to in micro land. Good bang for the buck in my opinion, finally having fun with something that doesn't burn nitro.

Later,
Wade

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06-02-2004 03:14 AM  13 years agoPost 4
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yeah, I tried the Piccolo Pro and Hornet CP, both junk IMO.

Could never get the PicPro to flip over without 30' of room.

So the Pic paddles are lighter than the zoom?

Any problems with FF or pitchyness?

I have no access to carbon to fabricate a mount from. Would some light ply or balsa work? or not strong enough?

---Freya Evo TJ Pro/Rev Max(rep) Magnum(rep)

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06-02-2004 03:38 AM  13 years agoPost 5
wademcgee

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Yep

Same problems I had, and I have the guru of all micro gurus in my backyard here!!! All of them were just too frail in my opinion.

Don't get me wrong the Zoom parts are really about the cheapest I've seen, but I tell ya they seem to work right out of the box.

The stock paddles on the zoom aren't really the problem, its the threaded fishing sinkers that come with them. Big ass chunks of metal to mount the things. Basically doing away with those mounts is the key. You could probably even theread some piano wire and rethread the stock ones and be just fine, just gotta ditch the fishing sinkers.

I actually had the zoom tumbling tight enough to where I wanted to try it i the garage but it got too dark on me. That is pretty good for a dude like me.

Later,
Wade

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06-02-2004 03:39 AM  13 years agoPost 6
wademcgee

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Sorry

Almost forgot,
FF reminds me of a Raptor 30 in all honesty. Wood bladed stock raptor 30 that is. Controllable, but not totally axial...but close enough for fun work.

And Balsa would probably work just fine, may have to double the stuff up if it is the thin. You could also use some thick Lexan or G-10, any hobby shop should have that. If not just take an old credit card or drivers license...stylin'

Later,
Wade

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06-02-2004 04:09 AM  13 years agoPost 7
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Thanks for the tips. I take it that the flybar ends on the zoom are not threaded?

I'll play around with it.

Problem with replacing the wire is the diameter. The Zoom uses 1.8mm wire. And I have not been able to find any.

I'm afraid that larger will not slide into the flybar arms and too small would make things offset and loose.

---Freya Evo TJ Pro/Rev Max(rep) Magnum(rep)

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06-02-2004 04:15 AM  13 years agoPost 8
wademcgee

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Yeah,
Just throw some piccolo paddles on there and call it a day.
Wade

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06-02-2004 05:50 AM  13 years agoPost 9
dragonfly

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Granbury, TX. USA

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Ok, so why can't I load the video? I really want to see it!! My computer says that it can't load the source filter. Helpppp.
Mark

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06-02-2004 03:54 PM  13 years agoPost 10
wademcgee

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Not sure

Not sure man, loads right up on my computer here are work as well as home. Anyone else having trouble???
Wade

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06-02-2004 04:14 PM  13 years agoPost 11
mudbogger2

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Hoschton,Ga.

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worked for me just now.
I can't wait to get my zoom in the air!

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06-02-2004 04:14 PM  13 years agoPost 12
JoeR

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western NY

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Wade flip that thing over and use it to cut your lawn. Two birds, one stone

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06-03-2004 05:06 AM  13 years agoPost 13
dragonfly

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Wade
I finally got the video to load. Looks great. Did you change the flybar? I tried to use some Feda paddles but the hole is too big for the stock flybar. Does the pro use a smaller flybar than a 2mm like the feda? Looks like you have good performance with your setup.
Mark

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06-03-2004 06:18 AM  13 years agoPost 14
wademcgee

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Not sure

I think this flybar is like 1.5mm or so. Could be 2mm, but don't have my calipers...lent them out!

I'm getting that bad boy on the deck now, but not in my jungle yard man. I have priorities in my house hold man. You expect me to spend time cutting the grass when I can be flying???

Later,
Wade

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06-03-2004 09:10 PM  13 years agoPost 15
dragonfly

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Wade
I threaded my flybar and put the feda paddles on that way. What a difference, this defiantly improves the cyclic.
Mark

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06-04-2004 05:05 AM  13 years agoPost 16
wademcgee

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Kennesaw,Ga.

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Sweet

Glad to know it worked for you, see not all upgrades cost money!!! Just a little elbow grease and VOILA, as good as anything out there.
Later,
Wade

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06-05-2004 06:35 AM  13 years agoPost 17
Madman

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Roswell, GA

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Wade is going to be the Zoom guru man. Wait 'til I get mine... I will manage to find any and every bug the little bastard is capable of producing.

My flights on Wades have been exceedingly encouraging. Tail down funnels, solid inverted puch out. Zero tail loss - and that was with the ****ty servo-in-frame setup.

I think the trick to all these micro's will be...

- well-tested setup including electronics configurations that work and everyone is on the same page with - same battery, gear ratio, ESC and motor AND (most importantly) pitch range
- cheap, home-made mods that don't get into the expensive bling **** and decrease obvious slop.
- the soon to come fast-ass micro servo that will optimize GY-240 HH performance.

Das it... I want mine BAD.

Screw Hornets (except my Airwolf)...

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06-05-2004 09:06 AM  13 years agoPost 18
Spread out!

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cali

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Finally some veteran guys with credabilty! Wade your canopies ROCK! Cool vid!. Way to go Madman, I can see that you tell it like it is! Truer words were never spoken.

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06-05-2004 02:22 PM  13 years agoPost 19
rerazor

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Mich.

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the soon to come fast-ass micro servo that will optimize GY-240 HH performance.
Who and when will the "fast-ass" micro servo be released???

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06-05-2004 03:04 PM  13 years agoPost 20
wademcgee

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Soon We hope

Just a matter of time. I've heard talk of development, I wouldn't be surprised if we see something by IRCHA.
Later,
Wade

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