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06-01-2004 08:13 PM  13 years agoPost 1
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How is it those who subscribe to the alleged science of global warming, can refer to a Hollywood film that is obviously fantasy and state in public in the media that although it is fantasy, it is a good thing because it increases awarness of the global warming issue.

A full acknowledgment that so long as people beleive in global warming, the greenies dont care what fantasy and lies are used to get people believing it.
Wild fantasy from hollywood will suffice to explain global warming in place of valid scientific fact.

The more people they can scare ****less with utter fantasy, the more green colored leftist politicians pick up a govt pay cheque,
and the more cash the Green industry makes.

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06-01-2004 08:33 PM  13 years agoPost 2
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Hey,

Im having a styrofoam burning party this summer. we are going to get as much styrofoam as we can collect from now till then, about 5 or 10 dumpsters full, and burn the hell out of it.

You are welcome to come as long as you bring plenty of styrofoam.

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06-01-2004 08:43 PM  13 years agoPost 3
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Well, as the classic tree-hugging, bunny-loving, bleeding-heart liberal saying goes:

-- The ends justify the means --

In other words, they really couldn't give a flying rats a$$ about HOW people come to believe in their "causes", as long as they believe. Hell, they'd be happy if someone started shooting people, untill everyone else agreed with their ideas.

To liberals or greenies, or whatever-you-are who may read this & choose to "flame" me,
Make my day, you will only prove my point.

Micah(Sloflight)

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06-01-2004 09:20 PM  13 years agoPost 4
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Day after Tomorrow

I particularly like the part where the temperature in NY is dropping at 10 degrees per second... How long till absolute zero at that rate?

Seems like NY and LA are always the brunt of abuse in these natural disaster flicks. The Tornadoes in LA were pretty cool though.

Mike...

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06-01-2004 10:01 PM  13 years agoPost 5
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Hey I'm voting for Kerry and believe global warming is a crock. So don't
put all people into one group.

PS I miss going to auto store for .99 cans of R12.



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06-01-2004 10:11 PM  13 years agoPost 6
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Hey I'm voting for Kerry and believe global warming is a crock.
Now be honest here, are you really voting FOR Kerry, or are you just voting AGAINST Bush? (as I personally believe 90% of people who will be checking kerry's name on the ballot are doing?).

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06-01-2004 10:43 PM  13 years agoPost 7
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R12 and the Ozone

A fine example of sensational crap again with no scientific basis that can hold water outside of bell jar theory .

All based on the photosynthesis of a percentage of total R12 into chlorides that they claim effect ozone.
All this from refrigeration that leaks, never mind the fact Volcanoes inject billions of tonnes of concentrated chlorides and sulphurs into the stratosphere and the fact any increase in the Ozone layer holes can be linked to volcanic activity.

That would be admiting that its the earth itself that cuases any anomolies in the ozone size but that doesnt have the desired effect for those with the green interests.

And why.
For the purpose of Dupont killing off R12 after the licencing on it ran out, for a new patent on the replacement for R12.
And inferior refrigerant gas both in longevity and performance.
Dupont even ran a scare campaign on Hydrocarbon based refrigerants developed elsewhere, suffice to have some govt agencies ban the use of it.
Backed up by two scientists who got a million bucks a piece and a Nobel prize for their theory in support of Dupont interests.

But then Dupont did have Hemp banned the ensure the viability of Nylon.

And now we hear little about it because the Ozone holes recently got smaller, instead of bigger as leftist enviro scientists predicted.

And everyone is using Duponts new 134 as planned.

Why the hell do they do it, why are so many of us so gullible to swallow it.
Is this green fear mongering simply going to be a perpetual signed open cheque for any half wit scientist to steer the govt to act as it where fact, using our taxes.

Wake up Greenies
Youve been thoroughly conned into a cowering repenter of sins that never occured, while you ignore the lies that occur, the lies aimed at removing your standard of living and self determination and thrusting you back to the dark ages.

Winding the clocks backwards to the days you are all again subserviantly living in fear of the very sky above your empty heads on the edge of the word of fist pounding oracles in blind faith..
Wake up before all your common sense goes out to lunch and never comes back.

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06-01-2004 10:52 PM  13 years agoPost 8
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A friend of mine ran a really interesting theory by me yesterday.

According to some folks, there is a clear and predictable pattern to ice ages. Also the same folks claim that we are supposed to be in the middle of an ice age right now. In fact, we have the whole global warming issue to thank for not freezing our butts off - were it not for the effects of global warming, most of the Northern Hemisphere would be covered in ice.

Ok, I am not saying that either theory is right but it sure would be funny if this theory turned out to be true!!

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06-01-2004 11:42 PM  13 years agoPost 9
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He claims it is real, but doesnt matter due to the ice age..

I think that theory is a poor excuse for calling global warming theory crap, but not actually having the conviction to say it to lefty friends..

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06-02-2004 12:00 AM  13 years agoPost 10
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All this from refrigeration that leaks, never mind the fact Volcanoes inject billions of tonnes of concentrated chlorides and sulphurs into the stratosphere and the fact any increase in the Ozone layer holes can be linked to volcanic activity.
You are correct
For the purpose of Dupont killing off R12 after the licencing on it ran out, for a new patent on the replacement for R12.
It's called Capitolism, and is in general not a trait associated with 'greenies' or liberals. That's more of a trait associated with Right wingers. In fact though there is very little difference between the two once you get through their BS layers of what they try to portay themselves as. The desire for more/greed rules in the end.
can refer to a Hollywood film that is obviously fantasy and state in public in the media that although it is fantasy
The current goverment is in bed with hollywood, they are paying hollywood to in fact make political statements in their films. If you think otherwise, you're wrong.

We haven't been recording weather data long enough to know the trends and cycles. The earth is very old, a few hundred years is the blink of an eye. Trying to base predictions off of that is shakey at best.

Really what matters is we're NOT killing earth. Even if the human race figures out a way to kill themselves, Earth will keep on spinning. Maybe not like we know it today, but that doesn't mean much in the long term scheme of things.

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06-02-2004 01:32 AM  13 years agoPost 11
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Got to give them Uni nut case professors something to do their thesis on. How will they win their Noble Prizes unless they are paid to put together crap papers.

Then they expect us to sign the Kyoto Protocol so that we Western civilised countries have to reduce our greenhouse emmissions so that the 3rd world countries can continue to pour out them gasses.

Having said this there is the largest know ice shelf drifting off Antartica.

Laughing at yourself will lengthen your life. Laughing at me will shorten it...

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06-02-2004 01:50 AM  13 years agoPost 12
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this really hurts...

My mother completely falls for all of the "global warming" stuff

I wonder who convinced people that the climate is supposed to always be the same? Yeah, we had colder winters and more snow in our area in the previous century. But wouldn't you expect weather patterns to change? It's kind of a chaotic system.

I'm not saying we should trash the planet like we have no effect. I think we are incredibly wastefull, unfortunately, the global economy thrives on wastefulness.

Soooooo we kinda need greenies to balance things out maybe.

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06-02-2004 05:00 AM  13 years agoPost 13
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Now be honest here, are you really voting FOR Kerry, or are you just voting AGAINST Bush?
I'd vote for foo if it was him or Bush.

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06-02-2004 07:34 AM  13 years agoPost 14
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Sar

Yes your right, the right wing will use it as the leftists do.

But at least the right wingers do it for sane reasons, cash, some capitalist scam if you like..

Leftist OTH have some self appointed righteousness, in that they claim that us humans including them are so important to nature, we have determination and can decide the fate of the earth alone.

Not just that but only capatilist right wing ventures are the acts of evil against their environment they rally to protect.
They are of course the our saviors from the right wings destruction of the earth.

You dont get much more concieted and deluded than that.

To think we, a surface nuisance on this planet, can have any effect on the ability of the earth to continue as it will, next they will have us believing we have magic powers.
Do I wiggle my nose ?

But the point is not who invented this envoriscare act to wind up the simple folk, maybe it was Dupont, but more so who uses there example and lives every day to the cause.

The leftists do, they are the true believers of it, the truly sucked in in fact.
Perhaps Dupont or some corporation invented the notion to pull some scam, but the entire left side of pollitics beleived it and not only that, spend day after day building on the original lie and fantasy to make it so big, govts take notice of it, public servants that work in govt depts and mostly left wing steer the entire depts to the tune of it.

No govt dept can do anything without an environmental impact study.
A stunt that usually ends up showing is that some greenies backyard is under threat that needs protecting from others devaluing his/her property.

It is their favourite excuse in place of the real resons they protest.
"We must save the local park from the nasty multi level devlopment to save the environment", oh well thats ok so long as your not just saving you property values, heaven forbid such enviro caring people should be so focused on their property prices and wallet like they claim capatalists are.

They protest any progress that threatens their property values, and have the best excuse anyone could hope for to use if asked why do they do it, "we are doing good for the earth" and anyone that opposes that must want the destruction of earth and is easliy demonsied for that..

Global warming is just one antic, one that they seem to focus on because perhaps all the rest of the antics they have come up with are kind of falling to bits evertime someone pokes the sensation with a stick.

As far as climate change goes, Sar, we dont have to keep records of the weather, for one extract core samples of the earth and read it like a book for as many thousands of years back as we like.
Particulalry ice being a more basic form that environmental change can be shown without contamination.

You can do ice core samples, but if you read them, see climate change and then declare it is caused by humans, youve just bypassed a whole far more simple reasons for it than the complex allegation that man is to blame and made a great leap of faith in the interest of perpetuating the environmetalist scam.

Simple why climate changes.

How about you begin with selecting one element of our environment that can physically effect most things..
Thatd be heat.
Name any other natural element that can have as much effect on all things.
It comes from the sun.
Any changes in it will of course effect currents in our atmosphere and also determine the levels of photosynthesis in all things that rely on the sun, which is just about everything..

The sun determines the composition of our atmospere as well as its direction around the earth.
Nothing else can.
Certainly nothing man can come up with can.

Next look at the changes on the earths axis in our suns solar system.
Look at the solar events.
See any changes, of course we do.
And of course this will effect the climate of earth and any other planet on our solar system.
"Solar system", kinda obvious isnt it.

But if it was just the sun and changes to it and the earth axis that caused climate change on earth, then all the enviromentalist theory leaps out the window and they have to admit they just got it wrong and entire green industry falls into a heap.

No it wont happen, so what now, start up the anti-environmentalist lobby.
Probabaly not becuase as we know, we are the silent majority and cant be bothered fist pounding sermons such as the noisy minority give on environmentalism.

That was then and this is now and now these environuts are directly impacting on all of us in an adverse way.
In Australia the person in charge of all water ways is an environutbag that has declared that we cannot build anymore Dams in Australia regardless of our seven year drought cycles because of the modern enviormental concerns, so we all have to use less, and the population growing daily will be the reducing divisor of how much we each get.

Until one day we dont even have enough to flush toilets, it will be seen as water waste after they have done with a great list of other things they will prohibt the use of water for leading up to that.
And then we are truly on our way back to the dark ages of disease and plague which will if anything be the thing the wipes us all out.
It nearly has a few times in the history of humans.

It is time there was action to counter these fruit cakes that are leading us down the slippery slope backwards.
What is there end game, we all be Cave people.

Resist them whenever possible I say, dont sit there thinking they are nuts, say it, ask them why they avoid simple common sense for sensational crap that will harm the future progress of humantiy and make life increasingly difficult for generations to come.
Inquire why their brain has suddenly gone camping.

All those environuts who work within Govt departments, if you work in a Govt dept oppose them at every turn and dont join the mentality of simpletons.
Make them prove their enviroclaims and decry all leaps of faith they use as simply not fact or science.
Show cause why their claims will cause harm and hardship, a little common sense approach is all it takes..
Calling them fkn tree hugger and chuckling just wont do it.


We do need to get humanity back to the plain old facts and forget all this fantasy, nature will determine our fate and the fate of the earth.
The Sun is and always will be, in common sense, reponsible for any change where there is any
far more likely than refrigerators, tree removal, multilevel construcution, fossil fuel power stations or the like envirozealots claim harm the earth..

Environmentalist concerns should be wound back to their original point and the only valid basis for having a concern about the environment, which is not to try to protect the earth from us, or dellude ourselves we have the power to control the fate of the earth but simple, to protect our own backyards.
The only acceptable from of it should be where it can be proven that peoples living space is being made toxic to the point of actual harm to them by some nearby activity.
(not some vexatious proposal that some act will, with dubious probabilty, indirectly have effect on the entire planet and its atmosphere.)

And that level of evironmental concern should not be labeled environmentalism but simply "public health" issue.
A simple lesson from the common dog.
Dont let others **** where you sleep.

Any concerns outside of that should be show as what they are, "not in my backyard" folk protecting their property values and hip pocket as much as is the capatalists they oppose.
The only diff being the capatalist dont deny it.

Pete, yes mate, G.R.A.N.T., Grants, cash money for scientists.
And of course we are all expected to beleive the line that no scientist can be tainted with the smell of free cash.
I think they should be given an arts grant instead of a science grant, A A special arts grant, for bull**** artists.

I have not mentioned Hollywood, simply becuase anyone with the sense given the common dog cannot mindfully say the words Fact and Hollywood in one sentence.
An Oxymoron.

Have a nice day.

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06-02-2004 07:50 AM  13 years agoPost 15
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So you're saying, that despite all the mounds of data and research, that this whole "pollution is bad for the environment" idea is a crock? I mean, I too wonder about "global warming", but do you seriously doubt the fact that mercury is poisonous?

Now, I don't know what kind of environuts you know, but the ones I know mainly want cleaner air/water. That doesn't seem like such a bad thing, in fact why is it a bad thing? I understand some of them get a bit overzealous in their methods, but the same can be said about any group.

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06-02-2004 08:27 AM  13 years agoPost 16
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So you're saying, that despite all the mounds of data and research, that this whole "pollution is bad for the environment" idea is a crock?
Yes, use your common sense.

"Pollution is bad for humans."

A public health issue that has exactly nothing to do with the earth.

According to those who give the sermons, Environmental concerns are not limited to who ****s in who's backyard.
They are saving "the earth"
What pollution will do to the earth wont even register to what changes in the sun and earth axis will do to the earth, without any input from us..

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06-02-2004 08:45 AM  13 years agoPost 17
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Alrighty, I see where you're coming from.

Although I have to say, pollution is bad for the environment, in the sense that it affects humans, animals, plants, blah blah blah. I agree though, it does about bupkiss to the earth in the grand scheme of things.

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06-02-2004 06:07 PM  13 years agoPost 18
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Ok then say pollution effect humans, animals, plants.

Plants, which plants..
Any grass and trees Ive seen growing alongside the highways and belching industry all look pretty hardy to me.
I can show you pictures of plenty.

Animals and humans, yes pollution is harmfull to them at toxic levels, but then so is Tequilla and LSD.

Image, there are people who go out at night and pickle their internal organs and brain on booze suffice to have a blood alcohol level exceeding 0.05 at least, then voice concern about the air pollutants present on a scale of PPM they breath that may effect them.

Imagine if Heli fliers where concerned about the PPMs of HC they might breath from cars after a day of sucking up formaldehydes at high levels from Meth exhaust fumes, this linked to the early onset of dementia.

(Dementia, thats when you wake up Sunday morning to find Grandpa mowing the nature strip in his underpants, without a lawn mower)

Where an industrial activity might toxic reactions in humans and animals to some degree suffice to make them sick or dead then it's a public health issue.

No-one is saving the earth.
It is utter fantasy as are pixies at the bottom of the garden.

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06-02-2004 06:48 PM  13 years agoPost 19
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But there's pixies in my gardens!
Yea I suppose it seems silly to complain about the environment after burning a gallon of glow fuel. But hey, that's why I don't complain.

About the only thing I ask for is nuclear power, cause I'm a physics major, and it's much more interesting the fossil fuel plants. Although ideally wind, solar, and hydroelectric are much cleaner.

And yes while it's true that alcohol can have a much quicker effect, the toxins in the environment work in the same way as alcohol. Whether you take a lethal dose all at once, or you slowly absorb more and more of it, it will one day kill you. Cirrhosis of the liver, or heavy metal poisoning, either way you're gonna die. We do plenty of crap that will kill us even if pollution doesn't, but that doesn't mean pollution won't. And if it went unchecked it would probably be a much worse threat.

But now I think we're just arguing points we already agree on, so I'll stop now. We'll just say it's a public health issue and not an environmental issue.

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06-02-2004 09:30 PM  13 years agoPost 20
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I agree on the Nuclear power.
Unfortunately the greenies have scared Australians so badly that Nuke power will kill us all, its unlikely anyone here would consider it in my lifetime.

And yeah, the basic point is, folks are doing a lot more to themselves and are more likely to knock themselves off by some act or the consumption of too much of something, than anything the atmospere might do to them.

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