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05-31-2004 12:41 PM  13 years agoPost 1
Test005

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Hi guys...
A few months ago I built my Raptor 50V2.
After that I kind of lost interest and have been occupied by other projects.
I even put my heli up for sale, but since I didn't get it sold I decided to give it a go.
Have made arrangements to meet a club member tonight who will help me program the radio and perform the initial testflight.

Well,,, If everything goes fine, I hope to regain my interest and motivation for heli-flying.

--T5--

ps. I guess I broke some sort of record here. Who else have had a brand new helicopter + radio sitting on the table for months without being tempted to take it out for a spin?

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05-31-2004 12:59 PM  13 years agoPost 2
capebob

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When I first considered getting into model helicopters (I didn't) a long time ago there was a bit of urban wisdom floating around. That was that only one in ten helicopters bought ever flew and of those that flew only one in ten ever flew more than once. The odds have improved considerably since then. Because of the difficulty, cost, and complexity of this hobby there are still many that get in and get out of the hobby very quickly. You can see them come and go here on this forum. I mean no offense by saying this, but because you have been easily distracted before, I suspect that you will be one of the above. Now that I have P!$$ed you off, prove me wrong.

Bob

Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm. Churchill

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05-31-2004 01:32 PM  13 years agoPost 3
Test005

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No, I'm not pissed at all

The reason I backed off from the Heli once it was built was mainly the complexity and lack of a tutor.

I have experience with airplanes in the past which I enjoyed alot.
Those planks will fly no matter how!
Smack an engine in, add a mix of *whatever* quality servos, flick the prop and off it goes....

The helis on the other hand need all this TX-programming, balancing, gyro settings and special starter equipment.
I feel a bit overwhelmed with all the TLC and tinkering you have to do.


Hands down, I'm a lazy RC-modeller who favour easy turn & burn!...Don't know if I have the patience to do the maintenance on a heli.

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05-31-2004 02:17 PM  13 years agoPost 4
sabooo

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LHS store owner used to say that for every 3 RC heli's he sold, he made two enemies.

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05-31-2004 05:00 PM  13 years agoPost 5
Phranque

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Hands down, I'm a lazy RC-modeller who favour easy turn & burn!...Don't know if I have the patience to do the maintenance on a heli.
You will need to change your ways a little, or you could get yourself, or someone else, hurt.
Before your first flight of the day, you need to do fairly thorough pre-flights to make sure there has been no transport damage, check your batteries constantly, doing post flights at home, doing maintanence, etc. A real heli is something like two or three times as expensive per flight hour to maintain (than a plane) because of the higher maintanence issues.
I hate to discourage you or sound like I am berating you, but because helis are more complex, they do require a little more TLC, and lack of doing this can, at best, be expensive in repairs, or worse, result in disasterous consequences.
Once you get into a pattern of maintanence, pre-flights, etc, this is the easy part. What requires the real patience is learning how to fly it. GET SOME HELP!!! Even a couple hours of driving is worth it the first few times to make sure it is set up correctly, and to get started hovering. Good Luck.....

Flying a heli is like seeing the Matrix, it is a mind bending experience.

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06-01-2004 08:57 AM  13 years agoPost 6
Test005

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Phranque: If you read my second post you'll see that I am starting now, because I'm getting help.
I might not know much about helis but I do have respect for them and understand that it's most crucial to have some experienced back-up.

Anyways... Here's the story:
Found the airfield and hooked up with the club member who'd help me.
He programmed the radio and told me about the gyro, pitch etc... Then we started the engine and let it idle to break it in.
Everything went fine and he began to rev up the blades for take off.... Then a tailrotor blade + it's holder swooshed past us, the screw that holds the bladeholder broke clean off and it wasn't even at full rpm?!?

A bit scary, but certainly an anticlimax!
Well, the heli is getting some metal upgrade parts in the tail and hopefully on Thursday we'll try again.
As for now, there's one piece of my heli that has actually flown, hopefully the rest will follow

Where I go from here?
Well, I planned to build myself a big X out of plastic tubes and plastic balls to get a trainer gear.
Then I'll begin to practise...at the club, under the watching eye of the club members.

I think that I'm overcoming this mental barrier *That it's soo complex and much tinkering* because everybody was quite casual around the helis.

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06-04-2004 04:59 PM  13 years agoPost 7
MJWS

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Welcome to heli's. You have your first mechanical under your belt. Usually they are a lot more expensive.

These things really aren't that bad. They just take a little more time and patience to maintain. Once you get into the groove your rappy will just be fuel and fly. Preflights and maintenance will be second nature. Just remember that if it sounds or feels different... fix it immediately. They don't tend to forgive the little things.

Good Luck,

Mike

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06-04-2004 06:26 PM  13 years agoPost 8
Test005

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Well, yesterday I took my heli back to the field after the tail was fixed and upgraded. It was finally time for the second testflight and the same club member was there to help me out.
There was a strong wind but we decided to give it a go anyway and it actually flew! My helicopter flew!!
Because of the strong and gusty wind I didn't want to fly myself.

Today I left work early and went to the field.
Same strong, gusty wind but what da' hell I had to try it out.
Put some home made training gear on the heli and fired it up.... Didn't breath for the duration of the flight, because of the exitment....

Finished two tanks of hovering, bouncing and skidding and had a good time.
Another helipilot told me I did very good for being a beginner without any simulator experience because at times I could hold it in hover for 5-6 sec in the same place (The gusty wind make it jo-jo a bit and I had hard times keeping constant altitiude)

This was fun, but I guess it'll be better to continue practise on a calmer day.
Afterwards I did a 15 minutes post-flight and checked everny nut, screw, bolt and electrics... Everything OK except a dinged tailblade which I replaced.

I'm still amazed on how fast that rotor is spinning, I was scared to get the heli to close in case it'd throw a blade

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06-04-2004 07:28 PM  13 years agoPost 9
miataguy

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It does seem daunting. I read in an article that even 600mm blades are going nearly 300 mph at the tips. Bigger ones go even faster! Congrats on your maiden hover and keep those spinning blades away from you. (I've been flying 3 years without even a close call - thanks Todd)

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06-04-2004 07:34 PM  13 years agoPost 10
JoeyDiaz

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Oilton, OK

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thats cool cant wait to get my new rapter, im learning on a micro electric right now, i can now hover the battery pac out without training gear or smacking into the entrtainment center, i think i'm ready to go nitro, i have an old schlueter heli boy thats 25 years old and never been flown but i dont want to try and learn on it ,i would hate to crash a vintage heli like that trying to learn it runs great too it has an os .61 on it thats not even broke in yet you can see it in my gallery

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06-10-2004 09:21 AM  13 years agoPost 11
Test005

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Update: Yesterday I ran another three tanks through the heli but the same "#!&* gusty wind made practise hard.
Anyhow, Now after 5 tanks totally the hovering is getting more and more comfortable and despite it's tricky, I find it easier than I imagined.

My heli looks a bit unusual from the others at the field because I have covered my wooden blades in bright blue monocote and have that big X of plastic pipes underneath

I seem to have a problem with overheating the engine. I have richened it to the maximum and when the wind occasionaly dies down I have trouble seeing the heli because of the smoke....Engine still gets to hot and shuts down after almost completing a full tank of hovering.
I bet it's not good for the engine and I'm trying to make two flights out of every tank with a cool-down pause half way.

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06-10-2004 09:28 AM  13 years agoPost 12
Fullagas

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.
I seem to have a problem with overheating the engine.
Make sure your LOW-end (idle) needle is on the rich side. It can affect mixture up to 70% throttle, depending on engine/carb. At idle, your motor should 'burble' just a bit. If it runs clean, idles perfect, it may be too lean. Also, your engine is still fairly new and is still getting broken in. I've had 2-strokes that took 3 gallons to fully break-in.


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Flying helis since gyros had springs.

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06-10-2004 10:27 AM  13 years agoPost 13
Test005

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Yeah I might have to try to further lean out the low end.
At the moment I have a clear good idle and plenty of smoke coming out of the exhaust.
Engine is TT 50 with stockmuffler and glowplug, running Coolpower Heli 20/20.

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06-14-2004 09:13 AM  13 years agoPost 14
Test005

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Was out again last Friday and this time the engine definately ran cooler after I opened the low end a bit more.
No wind this time!!! THAT'S A CHANGE!! and I hovered for two tanks (total is seven tanks now).
I did really good if I might say so myself and I kept a steady hover without much change in altitude neither.
I try to hover a bit up 1.5 - 2M to stay clear of the ground effect.
It's a bit scary at first, but the hovering is definately easier at altitude.

At the end of the session I hovered backwards and landed next to my fieldbox, very satisfiting to actually be in control and come in for a controled landing

This is definately getting more and more fun and my confidence is rising. Gotta keep cool and hover some more before I attempt any flying though...

I know I should get a simulator, but I kind of want more heli's plane's etc... instead of spending €200 on a computer software.... Well, I guess it's money well spent since it will save some € in the long run.

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06-22-2004 11:34 PM  13 years agoPost 15
Speedchair

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I love the play by play...I'm thining of buying a heli real soon so it's good to hear about your initial experience. Thanks.

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06-23-2004 02:23 AM  13 years agoPost 16
thebignickey

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i had my heli siting around for over 2 years before i took it out to fly i did my first flight at the atlanta smack down after harlan spent just about the whole day with me taring down and seting up my heli he took off the tranning gear and hoverd it for anout two tanks filled it up he hoverd it agin for a min or two and seed hear and handed me the tx and told me not to break anything i was hovering 10-15 off the ground and moving forward back and side to side on my first tank i didnt think i was doing too good see as very one else was flying 3d but every one out there was amazed when i told them it was my first flight next tank i was doing slow small figur 8's and by my 3ed tank i was into forward flight i tried to put the tranning gear back on after my first flight but that just made the heli very unstable so off they went with 30 sec of use and that is all i ever used them once you can hover say 4-5 feet off the ground take the tranning gear off your heli will fly much better

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06-23-2004 03:52 AM  13 years agoPost 17
Phranque

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Hey bignickey,

How about some punctuation? Maybe a few structured sentences?

I almost got a headache trying to read that.

Flying a heli is like seeing the Matrix, it is a mind bending experience.

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06-23-2004 04:23 AM  13 years agoPost 18
thebignickey

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sorry about that i had 5 min befor dinner, school is out ,and on top of that i have a learning disablity in lanuage arts. so sorry my sp and sentence structuer is horible wish i had spell cheker

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