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06-01-2004 10:50 PM  13 years agoPost 21
wilsonj

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rckrzy1,

Have you tried unwinding the pushrods to the blade grips. To add a bit more pitch?

I haven't tried the birdseed packs, but with a 3S 830 pack and stock semi blades mine really moves. Hovers beautifully. I wouldn't expect any more than I am getting from the stock motor.

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Jamie Wilson

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06-01-2004 11:14 PM  13 years agoPost 22
BodwadUK

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I dont know if it was just me but the hummingbird two was a massive improvement for control. So these CP sound quite good

I will practice with what i have first though

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06-02-2004 02:56 AM  13 years agoPost 23
wannaflyguy

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Say it aint so!

OK... I'm a rookie and you guys are definitely pros. I have learned so much from this site and all of your postings....

The problem with that is that I learned from you guys after the fact. I guess there is a lot of truth to the saying my father taught me, "experience is expensive... either your gonna pay someone for it or you will make expensive mistakes getting it."

All things considered, I love my HB. Even though I have only had it hovering solid for about 2 minutes at a time. (I have separates that PBMAX recommended on order). There is just something poetic about this machine and its ability (when configured THE RIGHT WAY) to move gracefully through the air. If I could fly it for 3 hours straight... I would., I guess the best way to describe the experience is like flying on a plane.... no matter how many business trips I take across the country, secretely, I am thrilled inside and I love gazing through the window to the ground below. That's flying a heli.... just amazing, and always impressive.

So I got suckered into this thing because of some really good video on Century's website... but I also saw some other peoples websites who had videos of themselves flying thier HBs too. Just AWESOME.

I will get my HB right if it takes all of my energy doing so.... my parts (separates) are on order and by this time next week my HB will be a solid flyer (thanks to all of you experienced pilots who are nice enough to keep up with this forum.) I just never had any idea that this $300 machine was gonna exploded into a $700 venture, and then I am sure more $ for neat stuff like CF and AL.

Funny thing about it all is that, I ....and probably all of you have every right to get PO'd at Century for selling us the dream we are guilty of pursuing. Truth be known.... none of the dog gone machines would fly if it weren't for folks like you (and hoepfully me) who are determined to make our visions happen. If I will it enough.... I can make anything happen!

Big shame... no. Big snake oil... may be. Big deal... YES, cause I will fly. I am going to fly and I am going to be happy. All in all.... even though you could say that the "in-the-box-heli" Century sells is junk.... thank God they made it so we can up grade it and get this awesome little Mosiquito moving through the air. After all... it is only money. I just wasn't prepared for the need to up grade so soon after buying it. Now I am.

What Century should have done was charge more for the HB and put some really good parts on it like we are doing with separates.... it would be worth thier reputation because I'm not sure I'll ever buy another Century product again. I'm not sure I can trust them. What is so hard about delivering a product that works right THE FIRST TIME? Maybe we should all form a class action suit against them.

but there are some good points to note:
It really is very crashable.
Based on what many others have said.... If I can learn to fly this fella... I can fly any heli..... looking at the Hawk Sport!!!!!!!!! But only after I have this HB mastered!

Gonna fly my heli.....!

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06-02-2004 03:14 AM  13 years agoPost 24
zoom

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Funny thing is it will be a lot easier for you to master that Hawk sport than it is to master the Hummingbird

Predator, Raptor 30, TRex CCPM 450TH, 3D Pro 400F

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06-02-2004 05:14 AM  13 years agoPost 25
pbmax

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wannaflyguy - Great post.

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06-02-2004 07:45 AM  13 years agoPost 26
love2fly

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MIA
wow that thing realy looks cool,your gona sell this for what $100 like the CPHB ......yaa rite! look this is an old story of the zipo and the bic. most of us lern to fly thes becas we can aford them,we can aford to fix them if thay break and thay will break. I just wont to get a part that will werk and not MAKE me crash so i have spend even more$!
I got mine so i can lern to fly it ,I know it will brake thats the price ill pay. Im not about to crash a $1000 heli trying to hover.I dont mind $100.
dont get me rong i can fly tell the cows get home but thats not much fun i push it tell ther isnt any more. I bout a bic and i love it!
I do see a zipo in my future.

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06-03-2004 12:50 AM  13 years agoPost 27
wannaflyguy

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PB.... Thanks. Thanks for all of your help! I'll let you know how it all works out. I am patiently waiting.

love2fly....Yeah it's a Bic now but is it still a Bic after we upgrade??

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06-03-2004 06:37 AM  13 years agoPost 28
Carlos2

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Wow, I'm away from the HB forums for a while, and it is a whole new CP world when I come back!

So the CP is not perfect huh? I think I recall my Fixed Pitch v1 HB being less than perfect too. Good thing I found Runryder to help me through things. My patience and willingness to experiment and experiment has paid off. I now have a wonderful hobby in flying my FP HB. I have no desire yet to move on to anything bigger or better (ie, CP), and I'm still using a cheap a** Dreamstarter radio.

I think that the big point is that this is a hobby because it is not easy. I can almost guarantee that if I was able to fly my HB perfectly out of the box, that I would not be flying it almost everyday a full year later. The reason I fly it is because it is challenging to fly, and partly because it can be challenging keeping it airworthy.

Pbmax, I'm sure you have noticed that there are some people that are beyond help with some of this stuff. Sure they want to fly, but aren't willing to put in the time to look around, ask questions, understand their helis and practice. A lot of the frustration that comes from these little ones, is that they are not easy to fly. That naturally makes people frustrated. Those who want to fly, usually find a way.

I'm not sure what the problems are with the new CP, but my FP was barely flyable with a bum motor that came with it new. I got a new motor and it was able to fly. I think at the price point of the initial FP's, the fact that it flew at all in controlled flight was amazing. Maybe I had low expectation, but the idea of a tiny flying helicopter to me is still amazing. So if it bothered me that it shakes a bit, I'll work at isolating the problem until I got it. Once you figure out these little buggers, you can fix just about anything in minutes (FP that is), many times without spare parts.

Heck, just the other day I was doing hammerhead type turns with my HB, when my tailmotor fritzed out as I was doing the 180 at the top. I came straight down from about 35 feet in the air. It sounded horrible when it hit, and even made the neighbors let out a gasp (they weren't even watching me!). 20 minutes and a little CA later, I was flying again! I'll pass on the CP thank you.

How about getting a new forum for the CP folks. I feel kinda left out of the discussions lately

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06-03-2004 08:59 PM  13 years agoPost 29
marsBme

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My CP hummer flies fine with a stock motor and wood blades. I'm getting about a 7 min. run time off of the stock 8 cell bird seed as well. But here's the bad news, instead of saying "birdseed" on the side, I wish it said, "don't squeeze the seed." After placing the battery inside the scale body, it caught on fire!! I must have held the two sides of the battery too tightly when placing it inside and it started smoking and blew up! If anyone from century is reading this thread, PLEASE put warning stickers on the sides, not the name of the battery.
thanks,
MarsBme

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06-03-2004 10:08 PM  13 years agoPost 30
Carlos2

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marsBme,

Your battery should have come with a warning in the bag addressing just what happened to you. At least the 8 birdseeds that I have all came with them. Did you get them?

I read the warning and am usually pretty carefull as to how I manipulate the battery getting it in and out of the heli, but now maybe I'll be more carefull after what happened to you. I guess they were serious

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06-03-2004 11:30 PM  13 years agoPost 31
Bluesilver30

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"Can anyone on here honestly say they've never been pissed off at their helis!?? If so, wow, I envy you Must be nice to have that kind of patience!!"

i dont think i've ever been pissed off at my heli. if there was ever anything wrong with it, i would find a way to improve it. if i crashed, i blamed myself and learned from the mistake.

when i got the hummer, i was expecting an uncontrolable POS. i thought hovering within a 10ft by 10ft box was something that had to be mastered to be accomplished. when i found out that this thing could actually fly, i was amazed! that just caused me to persue more and more on how to perfect my heli. just the other day, i had a great 20+ min flight out on a calm day. if that's not good flying, what is!

it all comes down to realizing that this is a small niche hobby. these things may be advertised as "great beginner helis, easy to fly", stuff like that, but when it comes down to it those claims are true. these are actual aircraft, and even more they are helicopters! the most complicated aircraft out there. even if they are beginner aircraft relative to other helis, they are still helis that are damn hard to maintain and fly!

i hate when people think that these things are just like video games or something. they are real aircraft, and they take some skill and knowledge to perfect. Century has my respect, because they delived the product that was promised... a cheap rc helicopter frame that has cheap replacement parts that are readily avalable. perfect trainer IMO, and a great product. thanks to century i was able to enter the world of RC helicopters at a reasonable price.

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06-04-2004 01:26 AM  13 years agoPost 32
alpha1

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Hey MOBYWHO,

I agree w/ you all on the bent shafts and gear. I have 2 CPs and BOTH shipped with bent shafts, I had to buy new shafts and AR Gears for both before flying them (1 has 1 test flight, then I tore it down and almost done w/ Bell 222 and retracts) BUT I also noticed that the motor is alligned WAY too tight in its mounting in relation to the main gear. I think Century has a serious problem in their Jig that's cutting the motor mount holes. I had to cut both CP holes (1hole of the 2) into a slight oval to get the pressure off the gear. I THINK that's why all my shafts and gears are bent right out of the box. Gonna post new and ask what others think on this theory? But my shafts and gears shipped VERY bent.

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06-04-2004 01:38 AM  13 years agoPost 33
pbmax

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Bluesilver30,

I for one expected a real challenge when I bought my first hb, and I certainly got it. I've progressed more slowly with helis than I do with most things, but without a doubt l I find them exceedingly enjoyable. I don't like to ask other people for help and I have never consulted anyone in a local hobby shop; I prefer to search and lurk on forums if I can't figure it out myself. I'm willing to put up with a certain amount of frustration as a result

But I think for the general public, the HB is a handful. There are those of us out there than can figure pretty much anything out, and there are those that necessarily rely on a good amount of assistance from people at their hobby store, on this forum, what have you. Which isn't to say there's anything wrong with that, quite the contrary. However I think you have an overly optimistic opinion of the capabilities of the average hummingbird purchaser. Just as in anything else, average is average. Aimed at the outstanding hobbyist I think Century's marketing is accurate.

The problem is, you are an outstanding hobbyist. The average purchaser expects the HB to be exactly as Century advertises it: easy to fly and a great beginner aircraft. And why shouldn't they!

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I've long held one opinion of the hobby industry as a whole: it's a huge scam. I love it and I enjoy my cars, airplanes, and helis a great deal, but I've pumped an insane amount of money, time, and frustration into it. If these RC helicopters were cars, there's no way the NTSB would let them on the road! I think the double standard of underdesign and mediocre product reliability and quality in the hobby industry is outrageous. Many of these products are designed for perfect conditions (which don't exist) and people with infinite patience and discipline (I'll let you know when I meet one). Take a hornet2 tail pinion for example: $4.50 for a little plastic part that probably costs MS Composit less than $0.50 to make. And you have to buy two! That combined with at least $5 shipping because all the hobby stores where I live pretty much suck, and you're talking $15 to replace a tail pinion that breaks when the heli hits a blade of grass. In most other industries they call that highway robbery. Hobby companies don't make money on kits so much as they do on parts. And people that sell hobby parts make a killing on "handling" from those of us who can't buy local. Good for them! Capitalism rox
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Model aircraft are great, but marketing remains marketing and in my opinion will always be misleading to the average buyer. If only every potential HB buyer would spend a couple of weeks lurking and reading forum posts before they think of buying instead of jumping on here when the darn thing won't lift off. They might still jump on for help (and there's nothing wrong with this at all!! I enjoy helping people get their helis working), but at least they'd know what they're getting into.

In the end I think there's nothing wrong with Century's marketing tactics. I find the HB to be exactly what they say it is, but my perspective is slightly different from someone who walks into a hobby shop with cash to burn and sees a neat helicopter. I expect things to be harder than they are, and when they work well I'm pleasantly surprised. Pessimism is a plus in any hobby!

Hrm, it occured to me that I'm starting to sound like a snob...oh well! It's a good discussion. And you're right about being pissed off at the heli, Bluesilver. A poor musician blames his instrument!!

pbmax

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06-04-2004 05:53 AM  13 years agoPost 34
pet_heli

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if only people would read on here before they buy? & know what they're getting into? be doubtful of what a product can really do? pbmax i do believe you think more like me & my earlier post than maybe you wanna admit heheheheheheheh

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06-04-2004 02:25 PM  13 years agoPost 35
pbmax

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Haha, yah, probably

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06-04-2004 09:12 PM  13 years agoPost 36
pbmax

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Hijacked!!

Not to mention shameless product plug.

pbmax

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06-07-2004 12:19 PM  13 years agoPost 37
BodwadUK

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sing with me

How low can you go

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06-08-2004 02:10 PM  13 years agoPost 38
Minor Problem

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My tuppence....

I think I must be flying a different machine to you guys... My stock CP hacks about the sky for 8 minutes with it's birdseed. Yeah I had to ease the linkages a heap and I am using a slightly shorter 18cm flybar to give the feel I want but that's it.

Anything much more aerobatic than a stall and it would be in the ground but I don't consider that bad for an £80 machine.

Next step is brushless, auto hub, head block, symettrical blades and LiPos to open the aerobatic door a little wider but in it's standard trim it gives me a shedload of practice at work that I wouldn't normally get and thats fine by me.

MP

James Bond doesn't have to put up with this sort of sh*t...

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06-09-2004 11:04 PM  13 years agoPost 39
hondaboy945

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Runryder has definetly made my Hummingbird Cp experience easy to live with.

I do agree with you all, if I can master the hummingbird, I can master any( hell, probably could learn to fly real one easier than HB)

I have learned one thing from Century and their Hummingbird series.

That is: if I buy another electric micro, it will be a zoom or hornet, and when I buy another nitro copter it will totally be an XCELL no way am I ever buying another Century copter.

I have a Hirobo Shuttle besides my HB CP and I love it. Rock stable and I learned to hover in a short time, although I am still a novice flyer I am planning future purchases so that I can decide what I want and plan ahead for it. If I get a full size electric, I may get a voyager or just stick with XCELL. They are pricey but they are just rock solid stable and I live in Orlando, FL and they are manufacture about 15 miles away from my house.

I still love my hummingbird CP, even if I have been waiting 14 days to get my MIA chassis( still have not got it)

pbmax has been the most helpful person on the forum for me so far, but the whole experience of Runryder is so positive I dont see how anyone can live without it.

sorry for the long post

KRis

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06-09-2004 11:54 PM  13 years agoPost 40
jayfang

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I think that it does not matter what we buy, who we buy it from or how good it is out of the box. We will upgrade, modify or otherwise change what is allready there. That is how we are. Just look at your car, motorbike, bicycle, boat, house or in some cases even our wives

Seriously though, isn't tinkering with our heli's half the fun?

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