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05-02-2004 05:41 AM  13 years agoPost 1
Raptor50Flyer

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Just a thought.... Thinkin about ya Raptor5

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05-02-2004 06:30 AM  13 years agoPost 2
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THEN

keep thinking...

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05-02-2004 08:35 AM  13 years agoPost 3
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yeah right!

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05-02-2004 08:39 AM  13 years agoPost 4
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05-02-2004 08:42 AM  13 years agoPost 5
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NO WAY!

This one makes me laugh...Whats up with all these weird topics on the main discussion about raptors lately? Raptors own the 30-50 size market and MA owns the 90 size market in my opinion. They both have ther own markets to shoot for, therefor i dont think TT can put MA out of business or vise versa.

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05-02-2004 02:04 PM  13 years agoPost 6
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MA doesn't stand a chance

Thunder Tiger has the extreme low cost of labor from mainland China coupled with the extreme high quality of machining of Taiwan within easy reach of its corporate hands.

MA couldn't compete with Raptors if they entered the plastic heli business because they lack the scale, the market penetration, the brand recognition of being a low cost supplier to the hobby.

Heck, TT even managed to convince most people that their TT39 engine is better than the OS32 for the rappy! They surpassed the japanese in this perception and mind share game regarding quality of machine equipment.

Tunder is what is called a "disruptive technology": they come from the bottom like creepy crawlers and slowly eat their way to the top of the food chain. Think about this: most people now would give a first chance to the also Taiwanese Predator from Century before they would even consider the MA Fury. Raptor is on the same path.

The war of titans in this hobby will be between Century and Tunder Tiger, it has happened in other industries before. There is no magic oil or magic manufacturing that MA can pull out of its lathes to prevent this one. It's a matter of time.

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05-02-2004 02:22 PM  13 years agoPost 7
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Often I am wrong......and I may be in this instance....but I dont think MA will go down....different heli for different personal preference...as long as you have individual preferences they will be around!

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05-02-2004 02:41 PM  13 years agoPost 8
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Raptor will never put MA out of business. These are two totally different helicopter markets. It's like saying will Kia put Ferrari out of business? The answer is no, it will never work out like that.

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05-02-2004 02:47 PM  13 years agoPost 9
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Raptors rule the 30,50,60,70 and 90 market.

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05-02-2004 02:51 PM  13 years agoPost 10
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Er i think you'll find that if you add up all the bits and pieces to upgrade a raptor to the level of outfitting that a Fury tempest comes as stock standard, it'll cost slightly more. Not exactly bargain basement anymore now is it.

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05-02-2004 03:46 PM  13 years agoPost 11
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no possible for 2 reasons

1st reason is that TT will never offer the quality and precision that MA uses even in the basic of birds. Not to mention when you purchase the pro versions. I now have a small fleet of MA 60 birds and the way I fly I will always keep MA in business. There will always be a place in our market for the price busters as well as the full competitive birds. That is what keeps our hobby growing.
If anyone has actually given any thought or actually comparrison between the rap 60 and the MA 60 grap. and added up what you would have to spend to equip. the rap to match the MA, you will find that you did not save any $ at all but you would have actually spent over $100 more.

Hope all has a blast with whatever heli you fly, and go ahead and talk a buddy of yours into trying the hobby and help us to grow even larger.. Thanks BAD ANDY

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05-02-2004 03:49 PM  13 years agoPost 12
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Competition will rarely put a company out of business if they have a good product.

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05-02-2004 04:06 PM  13 years agoPost 13
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There is no comparison between the two helicopters. The Raptor line is an inexpensive helicopter which flys very good. Most can afford to own and operate the Thunder Tiger line of helicopters. In addition to this, the Raptor flys well enough that most people like me could never use all the full aerobatic ability it has to offer.

The Minature helicopter is an entirely different line of RC helicopters. There is a place and market for them as well. And for other helicopters like them. Most people will most likely never fly the Minature Fury helicopter, to the potential it has available either. However, it does have many features that the Thunder Tiger line does not have. Presision, size, excelent componet quality. Of course the Minature line is a bit more complicated and expensive, then for example the Thunder Tiger line of helicopters are. The Minature helicopters require longer building and setup times. Additionally the repair times after a crash for a Minature helicopter are considerably longer, and a bit more costly then the Thunder Tiger line also.

Each helicopter has it's own place and market. The Thunder Tiger Raptor line out sells every model helicopter type 500 to 1, maybe even more. That alone shows the popularity of the Raptor. And for most people it is fairly easy to buy, easy to build, and easy to repair. Again, it flys well enough that most people could never use the aerobatic potential of the Raptor anyway. That is actually the reason it became most popular RC helicopter of all time to date. The Raptor line of RC helicopters fly very well too, when you consider the cost of them. Almost as well as the expensive stuff flys. Lets face it, the big stuff is nice. But to majority of flyers they are just too far over the top in cost and time to repair, in a practical sense.

There however is a market for all types and costs of helicopters now. Much of this market today is directly due to the success of the Thunder Tiger Raptor RC helicopter line. Many are trying RC helicopters now, simply because of the Raptor helicopter cost, and ease to build and fly. Contrary to what some say, it is about as reliable and cost effective as a model RC helicopter is going to get. At this point in time anyway.

Now, as far the woof and poof of the Raptor helicopters, just add the correct shim washers to the V1 or V2 helicopter heads, and the problem is gone forever when flying the Raptor. I am certain the thrid generation head which Thunder Tiger produces, will be real tight right from the start. They will probably clean the dampers and blade grip bearing play, where it needed the attention to begin with. The helicopter was never originally designed to fly the way it is being flown now anyway.

The Raptor was actually meant to be an inexpensive entry level trainer, right from the start. It turned out to be such a good little helicopter, it has now evolved into much more then this. A couple of cheap washers in the head of the Raptor on it's spindle, which are just the right thickness, and the thing will fly to a very capable level. And without any woof and poof. Add a decent set of rotor blades and tail rotor blades with the washers, and you end up with a very stable yet aerobatic helicopter. You don't need a second mortgage to buy it, or repair it, after a crash either. A very nice deal for all of us. The success and acceptance of the Thunder Tiger Raptor line of helicopters clearly speaks for itself. The sales numbers of it are fact, everything else said for or against it is really acedemic.

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05-02-2004 04:12 PM  13 years agoPost 14
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What staraero1 is trying to say is no they won't.

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05-02-2004 04:19 PM  13 years agoPost 15
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Yes, that is exactly what I said. If Minuature, and companies like them continue to produce decent product, they will be around for a long time to come.

Thunder Tiger just helps to make other helicopter companies tow the mark now. Really good for them, and good for us as well.

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05-02-2004 04:26 PM  13 years agoPost 16
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Not a chance.

Raptors offer a cost effective way for people to get into the hobby. After they've been there for awhile and decide to stay for the long haul they move up to helis like the MA Fury, Robbe Nova etc. Not the other way around. Not unless they find that their budget can't support flying the high end helis that is.

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05-02-2004 04:47 PM  13 years agoPost 17
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Not me, Im not ever going to buy one of that expensive helis even If I could afford them. I'm going to customaize my Raptor so it got all upgrade parts and then upgrade it for a 90 later.

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05-02-2004 04:53 PM  13 years agoPost 18
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Staraero1

whilst your comments hold up for the basic raptors, the 90SE or a well upgraded 90 is a match for the best helis out there...

But your overall message is correct, no raptors wont put anyone out of business...

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05-02-2004 05:01 PM  13 years agoPost 19
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HC should settle the Predator vs Fury debate once and for all.

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05-02-2004 05:42 PM  13 years agoPost 20
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I would suspect that many people will never move up to more expensive models. As long as the Raptor provides them with reliable and practical performance, for there level of flying, at a cost effective price. Logic would dictate most would be very satisfied to remain with it in many cases.

As far as profit margins go, volume is always a better senario for a MFG. to achive. I would say the people at Thunder Tiger are probably amazed at this point, about as much as many others in the business are, about their little Raptor helicopter. The profits that have been generated by their little trainer helicopter, for their company, has probably even impressed the bean counters at T.T.

The only thing that will ever catch the success of the Raptor line of helicopters at this point, would be something with less moving parts that flys as well or better then them. And costs even less to buy then a Raptor. A decent product at a good price is always the key to the masses. That is why stores and MFG's have sales. Any helicopter that competes directly with the Raptor would have to also be easy and cheap to repair, after a crash as well. This may all be in the process already by someone out there as we write these posts, who knows.

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