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05-01-2004 05:12 AM  13 years agoPost 1
Cornster

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Sirs,

I wanted to make a post concerning my experience in this new hobby (for me anyhow).

I have flown R/C fixed wings for 15yrs. Long have I wanted to get into helicopters but it was always a frightening thing to consider. The start up costs were always very high, and then the repair costs to keep up with the learning curve were nothing short of scary.

Well, enter the Thunder Tiger Raptor V2 series of helicopters. I started with the Raptor 30 V2. Cost of the kit, all ball bearing, engine and blades (the arf kit) was phenomenally low. Then I checked out the cost of repair parts, as we all know they will certainly be needed. I was shocked that in most instances I would only be spending $50-$100 to repair it.

I was completely sold, so I bought it.

Well, 20 actual flying days later, I am now flying my Raptor 30 V2 converted to the Raptor 50 V2. I have learned many aspects. I can hover solid from any orientation upright. Can hover nose and tail in inverted. Can fly backward, forward, inverted backward and forward. Can do Tic Tocs, Death Spirals, Piro Flips, loops, rolls, stationary flips, and even aerobatic autorotations.

I had never flown a single helicopter before I got my Raptor. I even bought a simulator the day after I got the helicopter. I ended up selling the simulater because I couldn't get a good feel with the depth perception and had to rely completely on the Raptor to learn. Well, I cannot have asked for a better experience. During my learning phases I have had a few crashes, none of them exceeding more than $120 to fix, and those were including the Thunder Tiger carbon composite blades.

Ofcourse, there is always the exception. Today I have pretty much destroyed my Raptor 50 V2. Got a little wild with it and it ended up striking the ground in such a fashion as to, for a reason I can't explain, destroy the entire bird except my radio gear, gyro and engine. Took out the govenor and helicopter. No fault by Thunder Tiger in any means. Was definately pilot error, I don't believe any helicopter would have survived the impact that was done....unless it was a cast iron helicopter, hahahaha...maybe.

I guess what I am trying to say is, you guys really deserve a nice pat on the back. You have done a wonderfull thing in making this hobby available to people who are interested but can't afford the huge expense that comes with other brands/sizes of helicopters.

That being said, I have now an engine and radio gear, minus TJ Pro that is looking for another helicopter. I am not sure where I will go from this point, but I wanted to say, "Thank you."

Not sure what helicopter I will end up with now, but I will say it was Thunder Tiger that got me here, you guys are awsome.

Thanks again,

Neil Huntley

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05-01-2004 05:20 AM  13 years agoPost 2
Raffy

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I could have written the same letter. Only thing I did different is that I went and bought a Raptor 90.

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05-01-2004 05:30 AM  13 years agoPost 3
Alan Szabo Jr

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Nice letter Neil. I hope you stick with the Team. We experience it ourselves once in a while, but they all get put back together and fly again, sometimes even better.

Alan Szabo Jr.

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05-01-2004 05:41 AM  13 years agoPost 4
Bill Ludwig

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Me too!

I couldn't agree more. I started with Raptors, went to MinAir, then to a Vario turbine, back to MinAir, and now back to Raptors - a 50 and a 90.

Alan, maybe you can answer this....I LOVE my new 90, but those push-in pins in the washout arms HAVE GOT TO GO!!!! Mine kept working out - I even CA'd them in. No good - they still worked out. I just installed the $65 upgraded CNC arms with pins and clips. The question is why in the world does TT insist on using those push-in pins when they sell the pins and clips with their upgrades??????? Also, could a guy purchase just the pins and clips for a few bucks instead of upgrading the whole washout assy?

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- Bill

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05-01-2004 06:54 AM  13 years agoPost 5
Cornster

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Alan...

Wow, do you realize that I as a 31 year old idolize you? hahaha, you rock man, I LOVE watching your videos, would love it even more to watch you in person, you are simply increadible. Got to fly with a guy here localy from Tuscon I believe, said he knows you and lives down the street from Jason Krouse, he was flying a raptor 50 as well.

Anyhow, thank you for taking the time to respond to my post. I may very well stick with a Raptor, but for now a new heli is up in the ether till funding can be built up again hahaha. I would say you'd be suprised to see the damage, but then again, I am sure some one of your caliber has already seen some pretty hairy stuff. But it's definately totaled. Not including the TJ Pro it would still be short of a new kit by $20.

Might be a bit before I get another, unless ofcourse you have me come out to take my pick from your fleet hehehehehe, just kidding.

Keep up your flying and awsome support Alan, this hobby needs folks like you to keep it alive.

Cornster

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05-01-2004 06:58 AM  13 years agoPost 6
Bubzilla420

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I also,couldn't agree more.
2 Big Thumbs Up TT
Thanks,
Brett

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05-01-2004 10:11 AM  13 years agoPost 7
Al Magaloff

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Bill, properly drilled and CA'd, those pins will not "work" out. I agree, the c-clip models are a better deal. Neil, unfortunately for us, ThunderTiger has little or no representation. The Szabos lead the way. We did have a ThunderTiger engineer hanging here for a while, but I'm afraid he was here for self serving interests.
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05-01-2004 11:26 AM  13 years agoPost 8
comet

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has little or no representation
what about all the Raptor owners?Are they pancakes?
Some of them are even good pilots.


yes, you ment rep in a very srict/pro sense

VT "slow&low"

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05-01-2004 01:31 PM  13 years agoPost 9
Al Magaloff

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Comet, let's just say, that if you bitch about what's wrong or right with a Raptor, there is no one listening at ThunderTiger. Raptor owners , pancakes or not, have little to do with changing the design, for the better. Don't really understand the "pancake" thing.
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05-01-2004 01:54 PM  13 years agoPost 10
KennyS

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wow them nasty little pins.

I know what your talking about, when I built my r50 that was the first thing that happend. Only difference was I caught the pin coming out when I landed, so I ordered all the upgrades that have the c-clips. Best thing I ever bought. But no dought about it I love flying my raptor.

Only Fine Helis, Hobbywing

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05-01-2004 02:06 PM  13 years agoPost 11
T.C.

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I've been hammering my R50 V1 for 2 years, both in the air & in the ground, never even looked at the pin.

Guess I got lucky too....

Tony

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05-01-2004 02:22 PM  13 years agoPost 12
Rotor

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Earlier in a post I said I can afford any heli I want but I chose to fly a Raptor and if anyone cared I would give them the reasons why. Well, no one cared but I thought they would because I wanted to tell why I fly Raptors so even though no one cares I am going to say why anyway...
A couple years ago I was flying a Raptor 60 but really wanted to fly what the big boys fly (Vigor CS loaded or a loaded Fury Extreme) so I bought a Fury Extreme but before I started to build it I went to a Heli Fun Fly in Tulsa Ok and while I was there I had a couple of good guys that are very helpful and friendly fly my Raptor 60 for me. Now mind you it was a fairly nice Raptor 60 with an OS 61 WC with a muscle pipe on it. Well I told each one of these guys (at seperate times) to really wring it out and fly it hard because I wanted to see what it could do. Well, they both took me serious and preceded to fly the skids off this thing! They did things with this ole Raptor 60 with an ole OS 61 WC engine that was hard to believe. So, I thought to myself, why should I build this Fury Extreme and fly it when I have something already built that has been proven to fly better than I will ever be able to fly it and it is cheaper and easier to repair? So, I sold the Fury and have been continuing to fly my Raptors. Oh, by the way the two flyers are pretty decent heli pilots. Scott Cathey and Scott Glasgow which are both JR sponsered pilots. They proved to me that the limitations of great heli flying are with me not the helicopter. There that's my story and I'm stickin' to it.....Don

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05-01-2004 03:16 PM  13 years agoPost 13
Al Magaloff

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Ray, I'm sure Jeff Fastbinder has all the answers. One little tip I could pass on to Jeff Fastbinder though: Jeff will go a long way in this sport, by telling people they are stupid.
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05-01-2004 03:27 PM  13 years agoPost 14
Raffy

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On my Raptor 50 v2, the pin in the rear elevator control arm would work it's way out after 2 flights. The CA glue does not help either.

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05-01-2004 04:50 PM  13 years agoPost 15
Bill Ludwig

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Ok, so we can all see from the posts that some of us have problems with pins coming out and others don't. My question remains....why in the world doesn't TT use pins with clips so that 100 % of us won't have the problem??? It's not a cost issue, and it's not a retooling issue. Just give us the pins with clips!!!!!!!!

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05-01-2004 05:15 PM  13 years agoPost 16
Al Magaloff

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Bill, If a guy like Jeff Fastbinder REALLY meant anything to ThunderTiger, you would have an answer. We all bust balls about Century, but the field people( Payton, BillMe, SteveH, etc) can go right to Peter, and explain what we need. Big difference.
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05-01-2004 08:54 PM  13 years agoPost 17
Al Magaloff

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Steve, you may be surprised then, to find out where much of that Fury is made. It's a world economy. survival of the fittest.
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05-02-2004 12:46 AM  13 years agoPost 18
Raffy

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Can fly backward, forward, inverted backward and forward. Can do Tic Tocs, Death Spirals, Piro Flips, loops, rolls, stationary flips, and even aerobatic autorotations.
Anyone who can do these maneuvers might as well have another kit ready to go because a mishap will certainly mean total loss.
A blinged heli will just double the cost!

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05-02-2004 01:12 AM  13 years agoPost 19
Jeff Swartz

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I have a little more than a few gallons through raptor machines. I guess I'm lucky to say that I have never had a pin issue, but I have see this many times.

Cornster, Bill and Rotor.... Nice posts... These less expensive helis do have a nice nitch in the market.... I think that most of the higher dollar machines are sold based on peer pressure!

Cheap machines are great! and when they fly good too.... wow! I wiped out a R50 today when I was trimming off the dandylion tops at the field.... well, there were too many dandylions out there and I guess I just didnt know when I should quit... Funny as hell, and even dumping the macine on its head only looks to be a 30$ crash less the blades... hehe... amout of fun and laughs... priceless.

I have seen more people advance to higher levels in this hobby with raptors than all others put together!

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05-02-2004 04:14 AM  13 years agoPost 20
Al Magaloff

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Guess what Steve, even the American Icon, HarleyDavidson, has many parts from other parts of the world.
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