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05-01-2004 02:42 AM  13 years agoPost 1
gunnell_s

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I am looking for a high quality mid to full size electric heli. I have a nice tricked out caliber 30, but want something quiet for around the city. I looked at Eco 8, Quick, etc...

Anyone like to post their opinions on the best mid to full size electric for around $400 to $900? I already have a high end transmitter and gyro.

Let's hear from the experienced flyers!!

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05-01-2004 12:15 PM  13 years agoPost 2
rscamp

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Your post raises more questions than answers.

You have no location in your profile. Are we talking USD?

$400 - $900 for what? The kit? RTF? With all required maintenance equipment?

What do you mean by mid or full size? Do you mean equivalent to 30-60 size glow?

Help us a bit!

Rob

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05-01-2004 12:20 PM  13 years agoPost 3
comet

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why don't you look in the threads devoted too those machines (Eco8, Eolo, Voyager E, Logo10....);

You will find the experienced guys there.

I don't consider myself so experienced with my Eolo, but I may say, I've been struggling a little (less than others with hornets though
), and it now flies nicely.
It's not a bad machine but it is touchy. So you want to assemble the thing without forcing or overtorquing anything.
I also think the tail drive bearings is one of the most important upgrade.


One advice: the bigger the machine probably the better.

VT "slow&low"

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05-01-2004 04:00 PM  13 years agoPost 4
gunnell_s

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I am talking about USD $400 - $900. The heli's I am looking at are the Eco 8 or 16, VoyagerE and the Logo 20 or 24 Bionic, but am open to others if anyone thinks there is a superior model out there. I don't mind spending the money to buy quality, as I have found it makes all the difference.

I have a Futaba gy401 and 9253 servo combo for it already from when I upgraded to a gy502 on my Caliber 30. I also have a Futaba 7CAP Transmitter. I will need the other electronics; ESP, motor, RX, Battery. etc... but have all the support equipment.

This may be off the subject, but I was also considering running poly batteries for extended flight time. Anyone have problems with this?

I have a Feda dragonfly and Hummingbird (same helicopters) but really don't like them at all. They are cheaply made and extremelly fickle. I end up more frustrated trying to set them up constantly because of the cheap part that flex and bend that I have no fun at all.

Thanks for the replies, This is my first post, and it seems to be a great resource! Thanks again.

Scott

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05-01-2004 04:06 PM  13 years agoPost 5
gunnell_s

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I have looked at the specific threads, but each thread seems to discriminate since they usually own what the thread is based upon. I am trying to get some unbiased opinions.

I am sure there are several others out there who want to know the same thing! Let's make it a debate

WHO MAKES THE BEST!! LETS HEAR YOUR TWO CENTS

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05-01-2004 04:18 PM  13 years agoPost 6
Saint728

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I would go with a Mikado Logo 10 or the new Logo 14 that will come out this month. The Bionic is about $800.00 for the kit only. Then you will need blades, motor, ESC, servos, etc. By the time your done building it will be close to the $2,000.00 mark. Also if you want to run LiPo's that will add on another $1,200.00 for two sets of batteries and you will also need a charger to that will be able to charge those batteries. Your looking at $3,500.00 for complete helicopter. Take time and figure out what you really want to get before you buy something. Check out this link to look at the new Logo 14. http://www.mikado-heli.de/en/logo14/index.htm

Tak eCare,
Cheers, Patrick

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05-01-2004 04:47 PM  13 years agoPost 7
rscamp

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Listen to Patrick.

If you have access to any of the helis you are interested in, you could see the differences in design and build quality for yourself. Of the ones you mentioned, the Logos are significantly superior, especially out of the box. The Mikado helis are well designed, well built, high quality and fly well. To put this in perspective, I had a Shuttle ZXX and the Logo 20 is significantly higher quality.

The Eco is an older design. It is light (long flights) but not best suited to throwing around the sky. It can be upgraded, but it is better to start with a more durable heli (with apologies to Eco owners!).

As for the Voyager, well, did I mention the Logo?

There are a few other helis in this price range but I don't have any experience with them. Some are so new no one else does either. There are some new helis from Robbe and the new Logo 14 already mentioned, for example.

You might consider a Logo 10 3D if you want something a bit smaller for "in the city". This is a very popular heli and with good reason. It also has the advantage of requiring less of everything for support than the larger helis - the major advantage being much less energy storage required (one or more big deep cycle batteries) on site for charging.

To put sizes in perspective with their glow counterparts:

Logo 10 - a bit smaller than 30 size
Logo 14 - about 30 size
Logo 20 - about 50 size
Logo 24 - about 50-60 size (depending on config)

I think the Joker or Ion are over your price limit.

There is one other option you should consider. You could convert a glow heli. They are a tad heavier but parts are cheaper and if you use LiPos you can have a setup with no compromise in performance.

Regardless what heli you get, I recommend selecting your components with the higher voltage LiPo sources in mind.

There's my 2 cents.

Rob

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05-01-2004 05:41 PM  13 years agoPost 8
comet

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nothing/sorry

VT "slow&low"

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05-01-2004 06:21 PM  13 years agoPost 9
KnimRod

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My recommendation would be to give some thoughtful consideration to the Voyager E. It's built like it's bigger brothers and is pretty durable. It's about the same size as an ECO and a tad smaller than the Logo 10. It's extremely stable and easy to fly. It's also upgradeable if you ever want to move up to 3D. Replacement parts are also easy to come by. Compatible battery packs are common and inexpensive. You can buy a used VE for a lot less than your budget or get an already decked out one for about $700-$800. ...Not a bad way to start.

The Eolo is smaller and built more like the smaller, micro heli cousins. They are tempremental and somewhat fragile. However, it is easy to fly. In fact, when it's not giving me fits, it's a joy to fly.

Good luck!

Lance

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05-01-2004 07:32 PM  13 years agoPost 10
gunnell_s

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What about the Quick sweet 16? Is it any good? I like the larger helis, but they have to look good too. It seems that a lot of the helis out have some cosmetic issues.

The Logo 20 is appealing because you can upgrade to the 24 later. Does anyone know if you can upgrade the 10 to the 20?

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05-01-2004 08:27 PM  13 years agoPost 11
rscamp

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The 10 and 20 share some parts so there is some economy in migration. There isn't a specific upgrade kit from 10 to 20, so I would think it would be cheaper to buy a 20 kit. Then you would have both a 10 and a 20 to fly. Can't be bad...

I have no experience with the Quick helis. Some like the metal parts but some claim the design and workmanship isn't the best.

Unless you plan on getting out of the hobby soon, this won't be your last heli. I suggest starting with a Logo 10. It is easier to outfit it for good performance without breaking the bank and it will allow you to spend money on other good things like a good charger, field battery, Lithium batteries and the like.

Rob

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05-04-2004 03:56 PM  13 years agoPost 12
August

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What type of flying do you want to do? That has a big impact on which heli you want. For 3d any of the Logo's from large to small for the smaller sized heli's and for sedate flying the Voyager is a great all around heli, it can do 3d but not as well as the Logo's(you can modify/upgrade to that though), also if you want a scale heli, the Voyager is one of the few that has some scale bodies made for it. Parts are a BIG concern, look at what your LHS carries, most times that is a big factor in which heli to purchase, also, what do the locals fly, it's much eaiser to get help when your talking "apples to apples". Hope that helps.

August

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05-04-2004 04:15 PM  13 years agoPost 13
Darren Bradley

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3DMP might be the new 50 size electric

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05-04-2004 04:21 PM  13 years agoPost 14
gunnell_s

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Thanks guys. I just bought a Logo 24 with the following electrinics:

Plettenburg HP300/25/A3 motor
Thunder power 4s4p Lithium battery
Schulze Future Brushless Sensorless Controller w/Governor Fut-32.40k

Any mistakes? Thanks again for the help.

Scott

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05-04-2004 04:55 PM  13 years agoPost 15
Eco8gator

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Hello

Do you mean 2 of those 4s4p packs because youll need at least 2 of them to bring that beast to life. Other than that it looks like you did good.

Carlo

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05-08-2004 07:10 PM  13 years agoPost 16
rrandal1

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I've been eyeballing the quick electric helis. They seem like a pretty good deal, but I really have not seen too much info on the net about them.

I have a Voyager E. If I had to do it all over again, I'd probably purchase something a little different. I've flown a lot of JR stuff and it all seems to be sloppy to me. I've got a Hacker C40-9L on 10 cells. It is great for circuits and gentle aerobatics.

When it comes to cost, with a kit at $399 USD, a quick might be a much better deal at $249 and $349 with metal head/bearings, etc.

In any case, I would highly recommend going brushless, so that adds another $200+ to the cost of any of these.

Good luck.

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