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04-30-2004 09:13 PM  13 years agoPost 21
Rotor

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Seneca, stir stirring, still stirring.....Don

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04-30-2004 09:52 PM  13 years agoPost 22
Ninjak2k

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Most people that have expendible cash to spend on toys are usually more responsible and wouldnt want to wack someone in the neck.because they have more to lose.
Have to disagree with that generalization. A friend's father is the richest person I know and they have more toys than they know what to do with. They don't take care of any of them and use them till they die. (jet ski, speed boat, 4-wheeler). If I could afford any of those things, they would be in top condition all the time.

~Dan

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04-30-2004 10:01 PM  13 years agoPost 23
Brett

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Cmon now, these are dangerous toys we are talking about here not homes.If it starts with giving them away and letting every foo buy them then you will have a bunch of foo's out there flyin them also.
Yes they are expensive toys so why do they let you fly those more expensive versions. How are you differnt than FOO
How would you like it if a company came out GIVING every human a 30 size (or larger) toy r/c heli neighbors,friends,parents,and they were all out at YOUR field trying to fly these things where would YOU be?
Not every company is giving a 30 away, they have to pay their dues just like the rest of us. Tell me you wern't a threat when you was new, I was and if it wasn't for a guy a meet at the field I would probably have killed somebody too. Help the new guys don't ban them from the hobby just cause they cant buy the same class of studff as another guy.

They sell cheap cars, I still drive down the highway everyday with them guys.

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04-30-2004 10:29 PM  13 years agoPost 24
Rotor

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Help me out here...I have been a little bit out of the circuit here at RunRyder.com so let me ask this, "Who or what is FOO?"

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04-30-2004 11:12 PM  13 years agoPost 25
KC

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you aint much different, f-cktard

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05-01-2004 12:10 AM  13 years agoPost 26
Rotor

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Hey! No name calling!!!

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05-01-2004 12:15 AM  13 years agoPost 27
mrNoodles

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He is just a kid that hangs around here talking about his drinking and smoking canibus habits and how he enjoys the Raptor due to its low price and if it wasnt for the Raptor he would not be in this hobby.
You mean Rappys are for additcs.?!??!

/Fredrik
'Hm now I just have to find out where to connect the GV1 sensor to the Jazz80 ESC.

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05-01-2004 12:18 AM  13 years agoPost 28
Ninjak2k

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The stuff I fly is not a toy either and if you are judging me based on what you see or read on the internet,that shows your intelligence.
How else are we supposed to judge you?

Your argument against Raptors still doesn't work. If more money needs to be spent anywhere, it's in pilot safety and public awareness - get those who want to get in the hobby to join clubs and do it safely!

~Dan

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05-01-2004 12:35 AM  13 years agoPost 29
Ninjak2k

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Yes, my theory is a little rough around the edges but you guys are helping me perfect it,and foo helps me prove it.
Sounds like you're judging others just as we judge you.

~Dan

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05-01-2004 01:13 AM  13 years agoPost 30
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Seneca So a Kid comes along with a shoe string budget helicopter but is as eager as hell to learn about building and flying ,, safety , the whole bit ,,, would you offer him all the experience you have aquired over the years? or turn the other cheek? Maybe peope have a short memory and forget that they too started out at sometime and more often than not most likely on a cheaper helicopter too. where the hell did u confuse saftey and expense?.. mate wouldn;t a 90 size freya be every bit as dangerous or more so than a cheaper bottem end 30 ? Surely it comes down to how the thing was constructed and the attitude of the person flying it . Not the purchase price. Surely you cannot be serious here ,,, shoudln;t we be encouraging peope to get into this hobby ? and let the irresponsible tom dicks and harry's to be weeded out or be yet eductaed by the more experienced club members like yourself ? , with this attitude its no wonder a kid will try and brave it alone learning the hobby by himself down at the local soccer feilds , rather than go and listen to the useless ramblings of poeple like u who are trying to keep this hobby in the ""boys only club""
-James

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05-01-2004 01:26 AM  13 years agoPost 31
Inspector Fuzz

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I agree with SENECA!!

About 20 years ago, something terrible happened.. Any loser who could save up/steal $250 could buy an already built ARF plank and start flying.. No commitment.... The plane was allready built..
This has now happened with RC helis.. Any idiot can "try" it.. I have wasted countless hours on knuckleheads who can barely drive a car let alone fly a plane or heli.. I don't help anyone who hasn't completely built and set up a model on their own.. With the resources of the internet, there is no reason they can't get 95% done on their own..
Last time I went to the field to fly some guy with a circa 1983 transmitter comes over and tells me my radio (on a different channel and PCM and less than 3 years old) is giving him "hits". Hmmm...??
Personally, I wish the dues at my club were $500 a years.. Yeah, it would limit the poor folks.. More importantly, it would get rid of people who are not really serious about the hobby...
JEFF

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05-01-2004 02:03 AM  13 years agoPost 32
sabooo

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Someone with the same expendable cash that it takes to buy a new raptor 50v2 setup could still buy a prebuilt used 'high end' machine and come fly like a jackass at your club.

The entire thought that expense guarantees responsible use does not hold merit. A local man bought a new porsche for somewhere in the low 100's. He went to a porsche owners track day and decided he didn't need the track insurance. Clearly overestimating his talent, he lost control and totalled his car and that of another person. The other guy had a 'little' porsche, a late 80's 944, iirc, but had the insurance and got enough of a settlement to replace his car.

Who is the irresponsible one in this story? Not the guy in the cheap car, I'd wager.

Being able to afford a more expensive heli than a raptor does not imply more commitment to the hobby. What about the person who has to deliver papers for 2 years to get started in the hobby with a raptor? Each purchase is agonized over, each building moment savored and when its finally all set to go, extreme care is given to flying safely and well. How does owning a raptor give any indication of that person's commitment to the hobby?

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05-01-2004 02:10 AM  13 years agoPost 33
sabooo

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But being able to afford a really fast car doesn't make you more responsible about how you drive it, or more committed to driving well.

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05-01-2004 02:14 AM  13 years agoPost 34
Rotor

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Now I surely don't want to speak for Seneca as he for sure can do that on his own but I think he is saying that there are people who aren't responsible and don't have the money to buy a Fury Expert YS 91 but they do have the money to buy a Raptor 30 with a TT 32 in it and if the Raptor cost as much as the Fury Expert then he wouldn't have gotten into to hobby. If that is true then this person that is not responsible would not be in the hobby. It's kinda of a "stretch" but I think that's what he means. I am in no way saying I know what Seneca is thinking because I have my doubts he knows what he is thinking.....hah, Tag Seneca you're it!!

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05-01-2004 02:19 AM  13 years agoPost 35
Rotor

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Inspector Fuzz
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Registered: Jan 2002
Location: Austin Texas I agree with SENECA!!


Oh NO!!! Someone agrees with Seneca!!! What is this place coming to???

You thought he had a "swelled" head before? Watch Out!!!

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05-01-2004 02:23 AM  13 years agoPost 36
Heliboy1100

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Seneca,
What was your first heli? Did you spend a fortune to start this hobby and if so did spending that much money actually make you safer AND smarter about a hobby you new nothing about?

Your arguement just doesn't hold water. In fact just the opposite might be true. Since you're talking about Tom, Dick ,and Harrys that are new to the hobby, most people I know who have limited budgets would take care to be careful as repairs are costly. However a person who can afford the latest and greatest may not care about damage. Also the guy who can afford anything (as a newbie) might have a false sense of security having the latest and the greatest, to the point that he might feel the equipment will do all the hard work. Of course that would be tragic.

Again who would you rather have standing next to you?
A guy who can barely afford to get into the hobby (pretty much extending himself to the limit to get in.) Thus taking care of the "expensive" (and believe me $500 just for the chopper IS expensive) equipment he just bought.
or
Joe blow executive who just bought a 90 machine all the latest electronics who also has never flown before. Joe blow of course is just looking for an excuse to crash so he can "upgrade."

Do the math.

Myself I'm new to the hobby, so far my machine is a computer and the G2 simulator. This is because I can't afford to spend and crash much. So I'm learning everything I can before I buy. A person with tons of money is no safer than one with a limited budget and your elitist attitude is leaving a sour taste in my mouth about the hobby. It's a good thing the majority of the flyers are not like you.

If this FOO person is like you say and potentially dangerous, than direct your synicism toward him. Don't make generalizations about everyone. Also when you make a statement you should be able to back them with facts not opinions.

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05-01-2004 03:01 AM  13 years agoPost 37
Rotor

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Oh boy, here we go now.....the fire's been lit.......

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05-01-2004 03:16 AM  13 years agoPost 38
eSmith

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Seneca isn't that far off the mark. There is a limit to who should and should not try RC heli's. Dividing between rich and poor isnt the answer though.

All of you who made the point that poorer pilots will appreatiate thier machines more and be more carefull have to realise that Seneca's point is that this barrier is being removed and now anyone can afford to be careless.

Someone asked if Seneca would be willing to help a beginner if he had a shoestring budget heli and a lot of heart, Well I believe he would without question, Seneca's just a big softy after all, he just bluff's well.

Seneca's point is "what if every single time you went to the field there were 200 people, All looking at this as a roller coster/bungee jumping one time type of activity, not sure if they are really interested or not yet who start to get board when one of us in the know starts getting all technicle so they start firing up transmitters and radios at will, attempting to hover in the pits, hot starts all around, flying over the spectator area and every other infraction of every rule they haven't read yet, who are not even interested in your help?"

What then?

It's a shame that our only method of control right now is money, I think there are many middle and low income people who would be great for our hobby and could contribute a lot, and many rich guy's are idiots and shouldn't be allowed to fly but our only other recourse is regulation, and we all run from that.

Seneca, TT isn't responsible for Ron, making that association, as you can see, is kinda like trolling, you know people are going to ignore everything else in your post and focus on that, You've claimed in the past to have been around these parts since the usenet days, you know better.

-eSmith.

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05-01-2004 03:28 AM  13 years agoPost 39
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Earlier in a post I said I can afford any heli I want but I chose to fly a Raptor and if anyone cared I would give them the reasons why. Well, no one cared but I thought they would because I wanted to tell why I fly Raptors so even though no one cares I am going to say why anyway...
A couple years ago I was flying a Raptor 60 but really wanted to fly what the big boys fly (Vigor CS loaded or a loaded Fury Extreme) so I bought a Fury Extreme but before I started to build it I went to a Heli Fun Fly in Tulsa Ok and while I was there I had a couple of good guys that are very helpful and friendly fly my Raptor 60 for me. Now mind you it was a fairly nice Raptor 60 with an OS 61 WC with a muscle pipe on it. Well I told each one of these guys (at seperate times) to really wring it out and fly it hard because I wanted to see what it could do. Well, they both took me serious and preceded to fly the skids off this thing! They did things with this ole Raptor 60 with an ole OS 61 WC engine that was hard to believe. So, I thought to myself, why should I build this Fury Extreme and fly it when I have something already built that has been proven to fly better than I will ever be able to fly it and it is cheaper and easier to repair? So, I sold the Fury and have been continuing to fly my Raptors. Oh, by the way the two flyers are pretty decent heli pilots. Scott Cathey and Scott Glasgow which are both JR sponsered pilots. They proved to me that the limitations of great heli flying are with me not the helicopter. There that's my story and I'm stickin' to it.....Don

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05-01-2004 03:43 AM  13 years agoPost 40
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alexander, is that "BS" as in "Baloney Seneca"?

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