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05-01-2004 02:35 AM  13 years agoPost 21
Glenn in Den

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I hate seeing Greg flailing in here alone when he is right.

I want to do a camera ship too and I will probably use the gasser I'm about to buy. . . . but if I ever get serious about it, electric is the way to go. NO VIBRATION!!!

Compared to your glow, the gasser will take care of the residue problem, add flight time, lower fuel costs and probably lift more BUT you will still have the same (or WORSE???) vibration problem.

As for which one, my only experience is with shopping for them but I'm waiting for the new Fury Gasser because I got tired of flipping back and forth between the Bergen and the Predator.

The only thing holding electrics back is the $700 battery. When that comes down, watch out!!




Glenn.

I'm not really an R/C pilot, I stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last n

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05-01-2004 05:06 AM  13 years agoPost 22
Raffy

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I have an Xcell 60 that was converted with a Bergen gas conversion kit.
It's got a G-23 engine with the stock muffler on it. The heli is equipped with four JR4131 servos and a 401/9253 gyro. I am using the black TT680 blades and flies very smooth with them. I fly this heli occasionally because I put more time with the nitro machines. When I find the time, I will install a camera on it for fun.

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05-03-2004 05:39 PM  13 years agoPost 23
NoSoMo

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guess you guys aren't wanting to give your secrets away?

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05-03-2004 08:57 PM  13 years agoPost 24
daggit

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no secrets here.... you didn't say you wanted ALL the details,just thought you were choosing a brand.

I have 2 X-Cell gassers. Both with extended tailboom, 710mm blades, metal upper frame, metal head upgrade, rear can. muffler. Both have the g23 Zenoah gas motor. The only difference between the two is my "everyday heli" has the 643 carb with fancy air cleaner and the backup has the 167 carb.

I haven't seen any trouble with my 167 carb but in all fairness it hasn't seen near as much work as the other, after all... it IS the backup heli

I run them both on 87 octane pump gas with Amsoil 100:1 mixed at 64:1 ratio.

I have the annoying smell of gasoline wherever I take it but in the air there's no smoke to speak of to ruin your good shots. And I must say there's nothing quite like the sound and torky power of a gasser!

Another nice benefit is when you take a big 12 pound heli and add 7 pounds of camera equipment is that you have a machine that is about as impervious to wind as you can get. The big size is more visible for your high hovering stuff too

did I tell enough?

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05-03-2004 09:28 PM  13 years agoPost 25
flyboy

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Nothing like the smell of money.

If you can put up with the smell of a gas station. Go with the gasser.
The plastic fantastics might be better camera ships as they seem to translate less of the vibration than the stiff stacked frame models.

I have my eye on the new predator,am currently flying a JR plastic gasser and it is one smooth bird, streched to swing a set of Vics 800's.

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05-03-2004 09:42 PM  13 years agoPost 26
NoSoMo

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These are the kind of posts I am looking for....my problem, I am ready to start advertising and getting the business, but don't want to continue to use my R50 and it doesn't seem that anyone has a nice new gasser avail!

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05-03-2004 09:54 PM  13 years agoPost 27
electro212

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i plug the vent on the tank and put a plastic bag over the air cleaner and smell be gone!!

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05-04-2004 07:38 PM  13 years agoPost 28
NoSoMo

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just ordered me a new one with a 231h in it!

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05-04-2004 08:11 PM  13 years agoPost 29
daggit

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which brand?

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05-04-2004 10:19 PM  13 years agoPost 30
kima

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What about the Robbe Cautro which has a conversion for a G231, it comes standard with extended tail boom and can fit 800mm blades, it is also designed especially for lifting and camera work. Another bonus is that it comes with all the bells and whistles such as metal swash plate, blade grips.

There is also a new version called the Pro Cuatro which i think is for mainly 3D it is very similar but has a few upgrades.

Cheers Kimberley Attwell

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05-05-2004 07:50 AM  13 years agoPost 31
MJG

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I currently use a nitro powered machine. I am very keen on petrol but I am having to sit on the fence right now, don't know where to go because as much as I really like petrol, I think electricis the way to go when the prices fall.

The really big advantage of electric that has not really been mentioned in this thread is the lack of noise. Some assignments may be disadvantaged by the racket from a big petrol machine. Quietly take of, click click, land - noone even noticed your heli in the air and you are on your way home. I will keep my nitro setup for film work and I am going to sit it out and wait for electric to develop and then invest in one for still shots.

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05-05-2004 09:47 AM  13 years agoPost 32
NoSoMo

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So you're saying someone needs to make a good muffler then?

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05-05-2004 01:22 PM  13 years agoPost 33
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05-05-2004 05:01 PM  13 years agoPost 34
CKY

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I own the Vario Benzin stretched version, 800mm x74mm chord. I can only say it has a LOT more power than my previous OS61sxwc powered Ergo. I am packing a little weight as I like the mass to help damp any vibrations.

Smoke, oil, and best of all, ground support equipment are not issues.

I will stay with Vario rather than jump brand to brand. I doubt there are any bad ones out there now as competiton is pretty severe.

Check out my home page for a little info...:-)

Chris

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05-06-2004 01:59 AM  13 years agoPost 35
ImRich

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Daggit and others who don't like the smell of gasoline...

use coleman fuel!!!

There are other brands also.

I've been running this stuff in my gasser for a while. I spent some time trying to compare the two fuels. I didn't find a mentionable difference in head tempurature, nor difference in how the heli flies.

Another plus is that your engine will run cleaner and you will not see deposits in your fuel tank, nor fuel lines.

The downside is that it does cost just a bit more than gasoline. But no where near as much as glow fuel.

I think (right now in my area) gasoline is about $1.79 a gallon. Coleman fuel is between $2.99 and $6.99 a gallon (depending on brand and purchase location).

I find that if I drip even one drop of gasoline on me, I smell like I work in a gas station for the rest of the day.

With coleman fuel, there is no odor at all and my heli seems to run much cleaner.

Mix it with your favorite oil mix as you normally would with gasoline and enjoy the benefits. Note that it may take a tank or three of the coleman fuel to flush out the gasoline smell out of your lines and tanks.

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Rich

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05-06-2004 03:42 AM  13 years agoPost 36
daggit

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I don't mind the smell of gas that much but I WOULD like to see the build up that you get from gasoline go away. I HATE that.

I've heard much about Coleman fuel but really didn't want to risk any change in performance since I'm very happy with the my gassers work currently.

Are you saying if I switched tomarrow, the gassers would run the same without worry of my motors protesting the change?

You don't have to make any carb adjustments either?

do you still run a fuel stabilizer?

Thanks for your advice, I might try this in my backup heli too see what happens first.

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05-09-2004 03:03 AM  13 years agoPost 37
Brett Horton

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Hey Daggit!
I switch back to camper fuel about two weeks ago and did not touch the needles, and the performance is the same.
One good thing, I don't foul any plugs anymore (as of yet)
Thanks,
Brett Horton
http://www.copterviews.com

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05-09-2004 03:07 AM  13 years agoPost 38
daggit

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Brett

that's what I wanted to hear, I nearly bought some yesterday.

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05-09-2004 03:08 AM  13 years agoPost 39
daggit

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today I wished I had.... 265 mile round-trip today for a job with the wonderful gasoline aroma.

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05-09-2004 10:47 AM  13 years agoPost 40
Lift

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I've been running the Ozark Trail Camper($2.80/gal) fuel from Walmart since day on in my gasser. It not only doesn't smell but it actually has a real pleasant smell when flying!

I run it with Amsoil 100:1 "Saber Professional ATP" at a 64:1 ratio per Bill Meador's recommendation. I now have 2 1/2 gallons of airtime(7.5 airborn hours) and the plug is almost totally clean. It has a very little carbon buildup on the bottom side.

Using the camping fuel I don't see why you would not want to give it try. Glow fuel is nastier than this stuff by a long shot.

There is a good thread on fuel mixes and cost here .

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