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04-29-2004 11:18 PM  13 years agoPost 81
DarkHorse

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I find the whole concept of this topic strange. "Have Raptors Ruined the midsize market?"

huh?

I'm new to Heli's and as you would say Seneca, I do not know what I am doing with a heli yet. I can hover it fairly well, but that's about it...

Does it bother me to say this?

hell no. Why?

Because I'm a BEGINNER, that's what beginners do. They buy BEGINNER machines and fly them until they are no longer BEGINNERS. Then maybe I can justify buying a Fury or some other 90 size heli. Until then, the Raptor 50 seems to work great for me. Obviously I don't have any other experience to compare against, but considering when I did the research before I started into the hobby, the most often mentioned heli was the raptor, the most stocked parts were for the raptor and the most reasonable prices were for a raptor.

In fact, considering how much LESS available and how much more expensive parts for similar "beginner" helis are... I'm not sure I would have even gotten into the hobby without the Raptor.

I had my first "crash" at Christmas time... I was flying with the stock wooden blades and due to my inexperience (Did YOU know heli's fly different when you're at 300 ft vs 4500ft altitude? _I_ didn't!) I ran into some brush with it... total cost to repair? $1.98 +tax... yup, ONE dollar and 98 cents. After all, it came with a set of Carbon blades in addition to those wooden ones (the carbons fly a LOT better by the way) and the only other part that broke was one of the ball links for the blade pitch.

I dunno about you, but until I learn not to do stupid things, I'd rather have a helicopter that's cheap to fix. Not that I can't afford something more expensive... but WHY would I want to? I mean... do you buy your 16 year old a Ferrari 360 modena to learn to drive on or do you buy a Honda civic? Just because the Ferrari is a lot better quality and performance doen't make the Civic a piece of crap.

anyway, that's my $.02
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04-29-2004 11:20 PM  13 years agoPost 82
pcliftonjr

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IMHO the Raptor has made flying affordable to me. I got into R/C Heli's 20yrs ago but I couldn't afford to crash the only heli I owned...so I sold it. Now I've got a 50 class machine for 1/4 the cost and far superior in quailty to the birds I scoped out "back in the day".

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04-29-2004 11:20 PM  13 years agoPost 83
Temjin

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He doesn't win, he already lost over the child labor. He used nothing but asseration to support his claim.



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04-29-2004 11:40 PM  13 years agoPost 84
psawya

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Woodinville, WA

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Look at it this way

Torque Tube problems = Raptors and Furys
Tail hub problems = Raptors and Furys

Does that mean that Miniature Aircraft USA has ruined the market? Of course not, and neither has TT.

Every manufacturer out there has had or will have some problems with thier designs period.

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Pete

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04-29-2004 11:50 PM  13 years agoPost 85
Tommy Boy

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Parsifal = Troll

Forget him and move on.

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04-29-2004 11:58 PM  13 years agoPost 86
Inspector Fuzz

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Here I go..

No doubt the cRaptor has helped the hobby overall, i.e. many more people itroduced to heli flying since the ****tle.. I would'nt say it "ruined" the 50 class.. Moreover, I would say that the 50 class is the "poor mans' helicopter" and that trying to market a high end 50 just flat won't work.. Why fly an $800 .50 when you could buy a 70 or 90 for almost the same??
The Raptor is the Ford Mustang of the heli world.. It's cheap, fast (when it runs) and you can ball one up and your only out a few bucks..
JEFF

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04-30-2004 12:23 AM  13 years agoPost 87
MJWS

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If you want to fund R&D. Just sell more units. Hirobo, MA, or anyone else in the market can do the same. Choice is good. Competition is great.

End of the day it is innovate or perish. Innovation to cut costs and open up the market is every bit as important as pure technological advance. This hobby is like crack, the raptor is just the free sample to get you hooked.

Go Troll. Go.

Mike

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04-30-2004 12:50 AM  13 years agoPost 88
BlakeMcBrayer

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All I have to say is THANK YOU THUNDER TIGER for a hell of heli OUT OF THE BOX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't come off the throttle untill you see your GOD!

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04-30-2004 12:52 AM  13 years agoPost 89
NitroSpazzz

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I would say that Raptors have not destroyed it but opened it up and allowed MANY people to enter the hobby that wouldn't have been able to. I for one never would have dreamed I could afford it but after the Rapy came out I did some research and it was IN my budget (very small budget). Once people fly the crap out of the cRaptor they realize there are better helis and they upgrade. They not only opened the market up but I think they helped heli sales as a whole becauseI love my rappy but I know there is better and once I cna afford it I wil be upgrading to an x-cell or fury. Raptors are like a gateway drug...once ur hooked your screwed

Blake

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04-30-2004 01:45 AM  13 years agoPost 90
Dsilver668

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Anyone Remeber!!

Anyone remember paying $3,500.00 for an I386 PC. I do... Now for that price you get a 3.06 Ghz with half a terabyte of disk space and a 19" LCD. Now I am a Caliber owner and I love it. Yes it was more than a Rappy which is a gfeat populer Heli, but I liked the fact that they basicly took and 50 and strapped a 32 in it. Also given some issues I had heard about TT engines I figured the OS 32 was a good bet. I thnk Rappys are great too. TT and others have realized that we want more for less. Computers have been the same way. As aposed to paying 2,500 US for a heli that may or may not work well we now can be up and running in hours for less than 1000 US. I can't see tha problem here. I alos think the XCell is a great high end unit and when I get to that point in my flying getting one will be an option, but for right now I am happy with the product choices I have made.

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04-30-2004 02:04 AM  13 years agoPost 91
wave1200

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no raptor's did not ruin the 50 market.i own both raptors and sceadu 50's the raptor flys just a good as the sceadu.

sceadu evo 50 ,os 50 raptor v2 50 , os 50 raptor v1 30 , os 32

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04-30-2004 02:28 AM  13 years agoPost 92
rotorflyer

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I have a Raptor 50, an Excel 60 and a Concept 46 VR.
I found the Raptor quality just as good or better than Excel or Kyosho... To start with, all the ball joints are totally free without any slop. On the other brands you have to either polish the metal balls or ream the plastic sockets.
On the price tag, it is absolutrely the best value per buck you can buy... not only the heli itself, but the spare parts as well.
I can also say it flies great 3D right out of the box, no upgrades required.
And best of all since I fell less intimidated by the cost of a crash, I can do really wild 3D at low height !!!!

happy flying!

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04-30-2004 02:53 AM  13 years agoPost 93
wheelnet1

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Wow. It’s interesting how people flying other brands of helicopters can have civilized conversations about their and other people’s machines, but the minute a Raptor is mentioned it turns into a personal vendetta, challenging non Rappies to whip out their boom to see whose is longer. I thought this hobby was supposed to be a hobby, something to do for FUN. Can’t we all just get along? I don’t like the Beetles but I can appreciate what they did for Rock “n” Roll. Same here, I don’t fly a Raptor, but I can appreciate what it’s done for this hobby. If you like it and you’re having fun with it, then, more power to ya! Let’s leave the personal attacks to the politicians. If you need to beat on something, go beat the air into submission.

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04-30-2004 03:09 AM  13 years agoPost 94
T Howard

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I have had a few to drink and its my turn. I have had a few helis and I just love to fly. I had a P Max 90 but could not afford to crash it. It was an awesome machine but my budget just was not up fof it , if it was not for Raptors I would just quit flying and how many of you would like to see the hobby get smaller because people like me could not afford to fly .
So keep them in the air and lets just all go fly together.

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04-30-2004 04:03 AM  13 years agoPost 95
440GTX

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how many of you would like to see the hobby get smaller because people like me could not afford to fly .
I am with you new pilot. I would be one of those who would have to quit
if the prices were high. I can afford to CRASH my Raptor. But I cannot afford to CRASH an Excell or a Fury. One other note. I have 2
Raptors . So it would not be a good idea for me to buy a Century
Product. I am not over paid so I cannot stock parts for 2 different brands of helis.

Just my 2 cents
Fred..

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04-30-2004 04:24 AM  13 years agoPost 96
Parsifal

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I didn't say they were bad, neither did i say they were good, all i said was, all of a sudden, price became a primary purchase consideration for many people wanting to try helis. The raptor was a great option.

But lets not kid ourselves, our area is a relatively small area in RC hobbies and manufacturers have other potentially more lucrative areas to spend their time and money. It certainly is not like the car industry where the players are all car manufacturers. Hobby manufactueres tend to be involved in more than one area of the hobby and can afford to neglect one area for another. Hirobo's plane sales are not affected if they stop producing helicopters the same was BMW's engine manufacturing will most likely be affected if they stopped producing cars to showcase their engine technology.

This is what the raptor has forced many manufactuers to do and many have decided to look elswhere for profits. HENCE, we are negatively affected. Thats all i am saying so put the damn pom poms down, I AM NOT CRITICISING THE RAPTOR more than i would criticise another heli. Jesus! Touchy bunch a gals aren't ya!

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04-30-2004 04:48 AM  13 years agoPost 97
pistole

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Have Raptors Ruined The Midsize Market ?

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Answer : No.

Reason : TT made a product that the market wanted and therefore , consumers (ie , us) responded in a positive fashion.

Question : What is your Definition of "Midsize Market" ? 50-60 sized machines ? What is wrong with the current 'midsize market' ? Are there not enough types of 50-60 sized machines out there ?

Comment : What a total waste of bandwidth.
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Rap70. TT70.Rap50. TT50.RD8000.

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04-30-2004 04:51 AM  13 years agoPost 98
S_Owen

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Sometimes it takes a low-ball to shake up the industry and get people thinking again. There is no innovation without competition.

I like my Raptors. I like my Ford F150. I know there is better of both out there but they suit me fine and do exactly what I want them too. What more could one ask for?

[b]Murphy's Constant:[/b] Matter will be damaged in direct proportion to its value.

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04-30-2004 11:01 AM  13 years agoPost 99
davehour

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Remember guys, Seneca even recommended the Raptor here:

http://runryder.com/helicopter/t95253p1/

He's just out of his mind in this post.

Couldn't resist

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04-30-2004 12:10 PM  13 years agoPost 100
Sealerman

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NO
Sealerman

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