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04-29-2004 03:32 PM  13 years agoPost 41
sabooo

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A handful of thoughts... The car analogy has not been dealt out completely. Those against the raptors seem to feel like its a yugo... super low price at the expense of quality. Those who enjoy the raptor say its more like a firebird... not the fastest thing on the street, but plenty fast enough to get a grin on your face.

What do 'better' heli's do that a 'toy' raptor cannot do? I guess I just dont see the difference. Yes, the raptor contains alot more plastic and composite. Yes the price point is lower than many other kits. The problem is that the raptor kits really dont have the maintenance and breakage issues that support the 'cheaper must not be as good' argument.

But to say that because TT has found a way to put out a reliable product at hundreds less than its competitors is bad for the market is just silly, IMO. I certainly agree that it will force some other manufacturers to take some money out of their bottom line to re-invest in R&D instead. If model makers cant find a way to make their kits cheaper, they need to find ways to make them better without just marking up the price again. Show me how a kit is worth $400 more and I'm more likely to buy it. Either solution they choose is good for the consumer, not bad. No matter what, there are always harley buyers and honda buyers. The bragging rights outweigh the other consideration for lots of people.

The low price point has not only gotten many more people into the heli hobby, its also given TT enough volume to enable them to make big runs of parts and kits, effectively lowering costs.

As much as I'd like an expensive 'look at me' helicopter, I dont see it making any huge improvements in my abilities. As seneca said, only practice helps there. But the fact that I know that if I totally bin my raptor I can afford to replace it takes alot of anxiety out of flying it. I try new things without worrying that a screwup will take me out of the hobby for $500 worth of parts.

Sorry for going on.

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04-29-2004 03:43 PM  13 years agoPost 42
Raffy

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We have different classes of people that are in the Rc Heli hobby:
Rich, Middle Class, and people that could just afford to be part of this hobby.
2/3 of those class will definitely more than likely get a Raptor.
1/3 (Rich class) will more than likely own a Raptor too.
The high end brand of Helis will be in the 2/3 bracket ( Rich and Middle class).
This should end the bickering of what helis are popular to own.
Let's just be friends and stop judging people by what heli they own.

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04-29-2004 03:55 PM  13 years agoPost 43
Raffy

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Cool down my friend!
I know not to bring my Raptor when I see the day we are both in the same flying field. Oh, on the second thought, maybe we should bring our Raptors and try midair (joking)!

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04-29-2004 03:55 PM  13 years agoPost 44
mpejsa

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cheap?

i don't know about you guy's -- but just cause you can get a raptor cheap -- doesn't mean your not going to spend a small fortune on it!!!

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04-29-2004 03:56 PM  13 years agoPost 45
FlyinBrian

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Hi,

"What if the profit/R&D money is supposed to be double that for suffiecient funds to support R&D?"

Just for example

What if the company pockets the money for 14 years and finally releases a new heli?

How much R&D $ does it really take to duplicate a tempest fai head in plastic?

The manufactures make money on parts, more helis flying = more crash parts used = more income. I just wish both of these companies would spend some of the profit on making a usefull instruction manual, how many people have been lost from the hobby due to poor manuals?

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04-29-2004 03:56 PM  13 years agoPost 46
sabooo

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But isn't that also true of all other brands as well? The improvement in electronics are to blame for that. Someone looping and rolling a fury or x-cell is performing exactly the same control inputs as someone flying a raptor, are they not?

The fact that I've never driven a Ferrari doesn't mean I cant appreciate the handling of a modern car as compared to a '71 ford ltd. The fact that someone like Danny Szabo may never have flown a 3d NT doesn't make what he can do with a raptor less amazing. The fact that I as a beginner have never flown anything to its capactiy does not take away the enjoyment I get for less money from a raptor.

Without hijacking the post totally, I cant see how raptors have been bad for the hobby.

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04-29-2004 04:09 PM  13 years agoPost 47
staraero1

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The Raptor is a very easy to build. It is also a simple helicopter that performs as good or better then much of the higher priced stuff. It is cheap to fix, and easy to repair. Spare parts are avaiable for it everywhere.

That is the reason it is so popular. Nothing on the market is as good as it for the price. It opened up helicopter flying sport for a lot of people. Most who would have otherwise never tried an RC helicopter.

Maybe all the helicopters that are suppose to be so good, are simply over priced, and in a lot of cases over rated. Good inovative competition is always one of the best things that can ever happen in any consumer market.

In any event, the Raptor is being purchased and flown by more people now, then any other helicopter ever produced. This is because of one reason only. It is the best sport helicopter on the market today for the price. The success of the Thunder Tiger Raptor helicopter speaks for itself.

Staraero1

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04-29-2004 04:09 PM  13 years agoPost 48
Hercdriver7777

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What a bunch of crap! This is a hobby and people get into it because they like the challenge. Some people like the flying aspect and some like the building. Either way you can enjoy building and maintaining a raptor or an X-cell. Raptors fly great, X-cells fly great, and hirobos fly great. The point is that they all fly better than they did in the past! If TT is pushing the rest of the group to make a better machine for a better price than that is true blue capitalism.

Having a unique heli is half the fun. If the crowd is flying Raptors don't feel bad about being proud of your XXXX-heli. I just hate it when people trash talk any heli that people are flying. This hobby is for fun.. If I like my X-Spec let me like it and dont be over bearing by talking trash about your XXXX-Heli being bettter. Lets just go flying.....

Good Flying!!

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04-29-2004 04:09 PM  13 years agoPost 49
davehour

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I think Seneca has been a little sentimental this time. Look at this post:

http://runryder.com/helicopter/t95253p1/

There you'll see the real feelings of Seneca.

Just in case, following is a copy of the posts:

PsychoZ
Status: Senior Heliman

Registered: Mar 2004
Location: El Dorado Hills, CA U.S.A. After chatting with many fliers, I have decided to come over to the Raptor side. I will be getting a Raptor v2. As a first timer are there any upgrades you would recommend for me. I will be getting the kit version with the BB upgrade.


Any info would be much appreciated.

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blakka_1
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Location: London (Enfield) good choice, welcome, 2 the club dude, loadsa people fly raptors, so if you ever get into trouble , then im pretty sure there will be help close by.

best of luck with ur new heli

Fly till u die

03-18-2004 06:28 PM PROFILE PM EMAIL POSTS BUDDY IGNORE ONLINE HOMEPAGE GALLERY Attn: RR

SENECA
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Location: Fort Myers FL I have one, you wont be disappointed.You shouldnt need any upgrades just get a decent radio and gyro combo and your good to go.


ONE BAD CRASH!!

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04-29-2004 04:13 PM  13 years agoPost 50
davehour

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That's why I told you to stop posting Sen...

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04-29-2004 04:14 PM  13 years agoPost 51
Cornster

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Seneca

So what you're saying is, to hell with all of us folks who only were able to get into the hobby because TT made it available for folks like me on a shoe string budget. Is that correct? Otherwise you're just spouting and it's not making you look very good bro. I know some kits are better quality that others, that is what keeps the market going. If the TT kits were THAT bad off in quality, do you REALLY think there would be so many happy Rappy flyers? Do you REALLY think EXPERIENCED heli drivers would tell a newbie to get the most dangerous machine on the planet? No.

I don't know who pissed in your cornflakes, but to me it sounds like you have an agenda with TT. That being said, I'm done. I love my Rappy, sure I KNOW there are better, but for the MONEY, FOR THE MONEY, it's the best...period, like it or leave it.


Cornster

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04-29-2004 04:18 PM  13 years agoPost 52
Raffy

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This is the kind of pool that the manufacturers love to read.
Keep it up, so that they can find ways to better their marketing strategy to benefit all of us!

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04-29-2004 04:21 PM  13 years agoPost 53
armageddon

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Seneca - Why don't you send me all your raptor(s). I am sure
you won't mind sending them to me for free.. You said that
TT gives them away, so that would indicate that you got yours
for free..

Then you can go and buy better quality products and support
their R&D departments..

Do your part to help what you so strongly believe in...

... or is it just talk??

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WHAT SIGNATURE?

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04-29-2004 04:23 PM  13 years agoPost 54
davehour

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If you look a little above, you'll know what it is...

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04-29-2004 04:26 PM  13 years agoPost 55
Cornster

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Seneca, did you even READ my post? I said I KNOW there are better machines out there. Never did I say, 'oh I love my Rappy so much I love it I love it I love it'. What a load. Yes, I think the Raptor is a great machine for entry level and having fun. Sure, it's definately 3D capable, but the best quality? I'd argue that. Best bang for the buck? Definately. Am I keeping the raptor and never changing? Yes I am keeping the raptor to bash on so I can learn new stuff with it when I get my competition Fury or X-Cell this summer.

Cornster

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04-29-2004 04:26 PM  13 years agoPost 56
armageddon

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SENECA -
If I am against TT giving them away what makes you think I would do the same thing?

Ok... Ok.... Don't give them away for free...

$50 for the whole lot... plus shipping..

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WHAT SIGNATURE?

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04-29-2004 04:35 PM  13 years agoPost 57
blakka_1

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£300 for a piece of plastic is hardly a giveaway.

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04-29-2004 04:38 PM  13 years agoPost 58
blakka_1

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the evo and other plastic fantastic helis are priced around the £300 price bracket. does this mean there give away's 2?.

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04-29-2004 04:39 PM  13 years agoPost 59
davehour

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LOL, you was knockeout in the 5th round here my friend and now you're trying to keep up using other things, LOL.

About G2, that was a long time ago. Now things are different and I can understand why you haven't even asked for for a contest in the times we have meet lately in G2. And, I know why.

At least, after watching your videos sometime ago, I knew I'm much better than you in real life. I can guarantee you that.

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04-29-2004 04:41 PM  13 years agoPost 60
blakka_1

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confused me? are you saying that hirobo is giving away the evo as its priced at £300, the same price as the raptor?

i dont think any company out there is giving away helis. i think there rippin the hell outta us.

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