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04-29-2004 01:22 PM  13 years agoPost 21
Doug

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How many of us leave the "Big" machine sitting in the shade while we beat the piss our of our 50 Raptors (week after week after week)

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04-29-2004 01:22 PM  13 years agoPost 22
davemartin88

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I've only been flying a helicopter since December when I bought one for myself as a Christmas present. Before I bought, I did some research and the overwhelming advice was to buy as good a radio as I could afford along with a Raptor 30 or 50 to get me going. Without having experience on other manufacturers products, I'd be interested to understand what the "quality" problems are with the Raptor. So far, the issues I've had have been 100% related to my skills rather than any problem with the helicopter itself. I'm now able to handle basic hovering and foward flight and the repair costs, while high than I'd like, have been lower than they would have been otherwise and only seem to break when I smash it in to the ground or a fence (another post!).

The only helicopters I've seen from other suppliers (other than an electric or two, I've bought a JR Voyager E and although a bit flimsy which I assume is to allow it to fly with the underpowered stock engine, it seems okay too) were a .60 Fury and it was impressive, the .90 versions must really be great, someday, my skillset might take me to something like that or I may stay within the Raptor family since they seem to have a very solid upgrade path.

Seems to me like some healthy competition among manufacturers would stimulate the market rather than stifle it.

Just my nickel's worth.

Dave MartinLeesburg, VARaptor 30 V2 and VE

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04-29-2004 01:32 PM  13 years agoPost 23
davehour

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Oh my God! It's so sad...

Seneca, you have missed the point so much...
I wouldn't even post again here for a day or so.

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04-29-2004 01:34 PM  13 years agoPost 24
Minor Problem

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I'm with Doug, my Fury Extreme and XL-Pro get a tenth of the time in the air compared to my R50 because of the grin factor that comes with flying it. It's not better by a long way but it is a lot of fun!

Before this degenerates further into machine bashing the initial question was about Raptors ruining the midsize market, the answer must be no but they have defined the machine to beat both in performance and to a lesser extent they have defined some sensible pricing.

MP

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04-29-2004 01:36 PM  13 years agoPost 25
davehour

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R&D?

V1, V2, SE...well, it's all clear.

Sceuduc, Evo..., it's all clear.

The manufacturers still do their R&D.

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04-29-2004 01:46 PM  13 years agoPost 26
Peter65

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Ok we have an impasse.

Yes Hirobo have come to the party and produced first the Sceadu 30 POS then they got it right with the Sceadu EVO 50. But these machines have only come about because of the competition that TT has bought about. Hirobo were put in the position of put up or shut up in the mid class market.

Yes the Sceadu is only $5 bucks more and yes you do get more for the $$ ie push pull but the downside is the EVO is still more expensive to repair for those on a short budget.

This is not to say that my next heli will not be either a Sceadu, Freya or Fury. These are all possibilities but why should I spend $2600.00 on a Fury when I can spend $2000.00 on a Raptor 90 SE

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04-29-2004 01:48 PM  13 years agoPost 27
armageddon

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Seneca
If companies are forced to lower a products price,then less money will go into R&D for newer models to be developed.
If you believe what you say, then you should drive a Range Rover and
not a Grand Cherokee...

.. we all have to live within our means....

This is a hobby and it shouldn't kill us to enjoy it..

I think that maybe,,, just maybe.. some people just do not like seeing
the average Joe being able to enjoy this hobby....

I wish TT would give their products away.. I am sure that there are some
real potential talents out there that are lacking the funds to enter this
hobby...

Have fun and enjoy...

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04-29-2004 01:51 PM  13 years agoPost 28
armageddon

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Seneca
Its all about the damn money!!!!!!
You are right .

.. and TT knows this....

.. and they are making it.....

.. That earns them a A+ in my book...

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04-29-2004 01:54 PM  13 years agoPost 29
armageddon

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I am actually very happy with the GC I could have bought a KIA or something cheaper so whats your point?
Lesser quality products are made and are sold cheaper..
If you are happy with it, then everything is ok...

don't flame on TT for making cheaper product....

If you want the best product, then by a Range Rover or something
of comparable quality, not a Grand Cherokee....

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04-29-2004 01:55 PM  13 years agoPost 30
ornatep

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Thunder Tiger has produced machines that are affordable to fly when a person puts a Vario, Min. Air. or even a Kyosho Caliber in the ground it could really Hurt the pocket. All ships can use upagrades to make it fly just that much nicer, but what is the pilot really looking for? All a person has to do is look at a Chris Taylo or a Alan Szabo and realize it is not the ship its the pilot, These guys can take any ship and fly the piss out of it leaving all the rest of us amateurs in awe " How in the F...... did they do that?"

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04-29-2004 01:57 PM  13 years agoPost 31
bradraptor30

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I think tt has brought more people in the hobby, by having a lowercost heli. then when people get into it they will want to spend more money and get an x-cell , etc.

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04-29-2004 02:03 PM  13 years agoPost 32
armageddon

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Seneca -
If I wanted the best I would have a Vario or 3DNT I dont I am happy with the middle of the road such as a GC or Hirobo.
Good for you....

So let others be happy with their choice....

You are provided with choices to buy products that suit your needs and resources.. TT provides the same for others.....


Fly a kite
Fly a Hawk
Fly a Raptor
Fly a Hirobo
Fly a Vario
Fly a .... whatever....

Just have fun doing it...

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04-29-2004 02:04 PM  13 years agoPost 33
angelob

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I'm jumping in a little late, but the following was stated:
Although, that said, do you recall all the issues people were having with raptors when they first appeared in the V1 guise? Woof Poofs, etc?
Don't know how familiar you are with the X-cell Fury, but this is a high-end ship and it has had its own share of issues (torque tubes, tail gearbox, etc.). Price alone doesn't guarantee a trouble-free existence. My 50v2 is by far less maintenance-intensive than my Fury.

Angelo

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04-29-2004 02:10 PM  13 years agoPost 34
armageddon

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Price factors into everything...

Price and Quality = Buy -OR- Not to Buy...

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04-29-2004 02:22 PM  13 years agoPost 35
armageddon

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SENECA
Whatever,obviously the majority is going to rule and there are more cheap a$$es to defend their toy heli over a slightly more expensive toy heli.
So, You would be a Half Cheap-a$$ to buy "slightly more expensive toy heli"
instead of a top priced heli?


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04-29-2004 02:43 PM  13 years agoPost 36
fritzthecat

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Company H sells 1 expensive heli - makes U$300 profit.
It also sells 2 crashkits and get U$100 from those.
Profit/R&D money = U$500

Company T sells 5 cheap helis - makes U$75 on each.
It also sells 10 crashkits and makes U$25 on each.
Profit/R&D money = U$625

Don't forget more radio systems, engines, mufflers, gyros, governors, batteries etc.

and this is bad for the hobby how?

Fritz


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04-29-2004 02:52 PM  13 years agoPost 37
keqwow

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I only read the first few and the last few posts...but I'm a beginner...here is what I'm doing....used XRB to start of with....and then, I was originally leaning towards a raptor, but since the "quality" of the Hirobos generally seems to be accepted as being better and because my local shop carries Hirobo, I decided I am going to go with a Sceadu Evo. If you get on Heliproz's website right now...or at least last I checked like a week ago, a Raptor 50 w/ OS .50 and a Sceadu Evo w/OS .50 are both the exact same price....$549. 99. The choice seems obvious to me from all of the reviews and my local hobby guy.....Evo it is. Both fly great from all of the reviews I've read....but I'm going to go with the Evo...even if parts might be a little more pricey...my local hobby guy carries them...so.......

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04-29-2004 03:15 PM  13 years agoPost 38
loewermx

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cootertwo:
Buy a Harley or buy a Honda
I think you have that in the wrong order

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04-29-2004 03:17 PM  13 years agoPost 39
ed vega

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no miztake, taya engineering knew what they were doing. Just like toyota, acura, and nissan, and lexus knew how to entice then get us to endulge, then go for the jugglular as if to intoxicate if not asphixiate us here with their products.

but you know what? the reality is no one country can keep up with the crash & go rate as in the US , at such a competitive cost!, nuff said - We can't get enough of it!.

I would like to know who you think has had the longest sell on any one size market under 60 size - raptor, kyosho concept, hirobo shuttle, miniature xcell?.

cheers
Ed

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04-29-2004 03:17 PM  13 years agoPost 40
smegs

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Buying Raptor

The main reason why I bought a Raptor is the availability of parts. Majority of all the hobby stores in the area sell Raptor parts. So If I crash parts are easer to get. I usto have a Nexus and Parts were a pain in the ass to get.

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