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04-28-2004 03:08 AM  13 years agoPost 1
=obiwan=

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I know a guy that will make a .60 size apache fuse for xcell or similar mechanics.

We are looking at somthing VERY detailed and almost exact scale dimensions and proportions.
I may be offered in the $750 range.

I am asking for input to determine if there is enough interest to move on to the next step and determine actual size and start building a plug.

Fuselage size should be about 65" Long not including the gun. 9.3" High at the mast. 4.75 Wide not including the engines.

Drop me a PM or email and let me know if your interested. If I can get enough people interested this will work.

Thanks

Women are just like Heli's; Never have the one you want and can't afford the one ya got!

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04-28-2004 05:45 PM  13 years agoPost 2
heliraptor

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Hi

I saw this the other day on a previous post I am intersted in an Apache. I know Len Mount will be getting one out early next year but am always open to comptetiton.

To get any more responses I suggest you check out your profile, fill it in, get some shots of this guys work.

Cheers

Lee

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04-28-2004 08:31 PM  13 years agoPost 3
vertolfan

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L&O Apache D Model

Len's will be very lare scale and is specifically designed for turbine or gasser so I don't think you have anything to worry about if your's is designed around the Fury or glow mechs. Len doesn't do anymore glow machines anymore only gas and turbine I I think the more scale fuses out there the better. Mike Robbins did a hell of a job on his (one of the best I've seen I hope he enjoyed his gold plated motor he won for it) but the market is there for an Apache and their needs to be more kits available. 2cents...

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04-28-2004 09:44 PM  13 years agoPost 4
Horacio

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I'm interested in one to fit the Fury mechanics. The one I am currently waiting for, if it becomes available for sale after completion, is Wingtip's version. Cost is not a factor so much for me as I will pay for quality.

Also, obiwan...I will be more open to your survey if you filled out your profile. With all due respect, it's difficult to trust people here that don't do it and joined RR this month.

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04-28-2004 09:58 PM  13 years agoPost 5
heliraptor

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Vertol

I wasn't comparing this to Lens, just making the guy aware another is coming on the market. I'd prefer to go the gasser route anyway as the Apache is a relatively slim heli and well suited to the Fury mechs, but still its nice to have that extra bit of room.

That said if the smaller model comes out better and more reaonably priced then that is still a valid option.

Wingtip, I've been following the progress on your test bed, I love the tail setup. Am I right if I remeber twguns is involved.

I've been dying to get an Apache for years, just waiting for the 'right' one to come along.

Dave, any lead time on the fuses for your version, if its going to be marketed, what else is avalable in the way of woodwork etc?? Any thoughts on that yet, I know its early days.

Cheers

Lee

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04-28-2004 10:18 PM  13 years agoPost 6
The_Dave

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Wingtip

not only is len making one but some of us here in indy are already involved in making one also.....
I have a question on your tail rotor. I see you are using what appears to be a round metal disk for the pitch plate. As the pitch change input changes from linear to rotory motion how do you compensate for the "rocking" motion of the link in relation to the pitch plate? On a stock system the pitch plate itself would felx or the links would piviot at the plate to allow for this.

Please explain????

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04-28-2004 11:52 PM  13 years agoPost 7
=obiwan=

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heli raptor's right!

I wouldnt even bother with going through this if i knew somone else was going to make one and follow through and please dont take offence at this comment. I'm not trying to step on toes or make enemies.

The simple fact is that I have seen this happen many times before on the plank side where somone says they are going to take on a project like this and get bored with it or realize it's a lot of work and it gets put on the shelf and never finished.

The other thing that bothers me is how it will look. For example i want the main rotor to be the correct height from the top of the fuselage. I dont know about you guys but that just drives me insane when i see a GREAT looking scale fuse but the main is sticking up twice as high as it should be. Now with that I realize for the fuse to fit correctly it's gonna be a long mother! but i will take the hit on length for scale appearance and if the blades need to be longer then so be it. Buy longer blades, gear the thing down a little, put in an OS 70 or whatever!


Now here is a question maybe someone can answer for me.
Can the main shaft be shortened? or are there shorter versions available?
If so then i could cut down on the length some, but either way the fuse width has to be at least 4 1/2" inside to fit the mech's and at least a header pipe for a remote mounted muffler.

We were looking at the X-Cell mechanics for 2 reasons.

1. I have one and it seems a lot of others do also!

2. Obviously to drive the tail you have to have a tube or wire drive setup.
I looked at the whole belt drive thing and I'm not saying it couldnt
be done, just more work than the other.

I'm going to build one the way i want it and do all the R&D for my setup and if it works then pass the info on to you guys.

I'm also lucky to have a guy here that scratch built a HUGE CH-53 with 6 blade main and such. He has given me more info than i can take in on how to gear and setup such a machine.

I kinda hope Wingtip get his done before mine so i dont have to bother with all the work of making the fuse. Also i love the tailrotor!!! God bless ya boy! Awsome!!!

So what im getting at is one way or another i'm going to have an Apache! I dont care who its from or even if i have to build the darn thing myself from scratch.

Keep sending the input!! I'm looking for ideas here and love to bull s$#t on the phone so give me a call 402-841-8700

Thanks
Al
P.S. I updated my profile for those of you who asked.

Women are just like Heli's; Never have the one you want and can't afford the one ya got!

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04-29-2004 05:04 AM  13 years agoPost 8
Horacio

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Thanks Al and welcome! I can't wait to see what you have up your sleeve!

I think you, wingtip, and B/T (blue thunder) should all get together and create something awesome! I am really impressed by B/T's work thus far.

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04-29-2004 08:49 AM  13 years agoPost 9
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The only thing keeping me from building BT's "Blue Wonder" is that expensive Fenstrom tail!
His progress is......Awsome! and has alway's been one of my favorite movies. Prices will come down at some point and then watch out!

I dont have anything up my sleeve so to speak. I'm just trying to fill a gap in the scale heli area. Seem's like everyone has a jetranger or 222/airwolf. Even I have fallen into the airwolf group!

Kinda strange though. I'm selling out of my jets and hooked up with a retired guy from texas who has built several scratchbuilt jets and warbirds. Got to talking with him about this Apache thing and he says "Lets make one!"

I didnt know what to say except "Hell Ya!!!" I have seen some of his work and it's great to say the least and he is very knowledgeable on scale planks. It took 12 hours for him to contact MD and get tech data and drawings directly from the manufacturer. True scale his his big thing and he loves to go head long into a project like this.

Needless to say he's excited about this and so am I.

Mostly we are just trying to help the guys who cant afford Vario and give them a different route to take.

It's no different than planks. BVM was and is still the premire line in jets.
Have a couple myself but they are VERY expensive and in my opinion
a little overpriced for the average guy. I think Vario is a little the same and from what I read on the boards availability and support is lacking also.

Most guys i have met here and on other boards can be very creative if they have a starting point. In this case a fuse. Just think about going to the field with an apache like this all detailed up. Not many around!

The technology and creativity is there but it needs a little boost to get it started. Imagine even a twin turbine powered Apache powered with a couple of the new micro jet engines!

Gives me chills just thinking about it and you know it's only a matter of time before someone does it. Germans have had turbo props for several years now and the jet heli thing is falling into place also. You know right now somone is thinking "How to do a twin jet heli with outboard mounted engines?"

Enough rambling. He is going to make me a fuse and I am going to take the time to drop in my mechanics and work out the details.
My goal is to have one with at least a partial scale cockpit and rotor dia.
I'm not worried about the tail rotor at the moment and may not have to based on WT's work!

Women are just like Heli's; Never have the one you want and can't afford the one ya got!

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04-29-2004 05:11 PM  13 years agoPost 10
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I'm currently working on a 1/6 scale designed for gasser mechs. I had thought to try a 1/9 but they're just too small for the gasser.

Obi.. I have a bunch of drawings with scaled out measurements. If that'd help, you're welcome to copies of what I have. I'm working from what drawings and photos I could get my grubby paws on as well as a 1/32 model kit and digital caliper combo.

(I'm waaaay off from being done, having only gotten the first turbine housing plug formed up and the cockpit chairs done.. but hey.. this one's for me. If the molds will make more.. I'll talk about that when I get there. heh.)

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09-27-2004 06:46 PM  13 years agoPost 11
René N.

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Apache coming up

Before you go any further have i look at this peace of art !
You can find it at http://www.lenmountscalefuselages.com/apacheg.htm
Enjoy and don't drool all over your keyboard.

René

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