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HelicopterMain Discussion › Interested in flying a REAL heli....
04-29-2004 05:50 PM  13 years agoPost 61
Fullagas

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Armageddon,
Do you live in the city? There are schools in Teterboro and White Plains. After 9/11, anything closer would be very tough for a student.

If you do sign up, interview at least three instructors. The tendency is for the student to 'take what is given'. You shop for a radio and gyro, don't you? You'd never take what the LHS just feels like handing to you. This is obviously more important. Ask about how many students he/she has had total, in the last year, pass rate, what recurrent training the instructor does, the list goes onn, PM me for details.

Good luck.

Flying helis since gyros had springs.

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09-02-2004 02:25 PM  13 years agoPost 62
reilly13

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dead mans curve

Regarding the deadmans curve, If I'm not mistaken here you can auto at any altitude, but you have to follow the curve.
Someone may have already clarified this but the dead mans curve represents the helicopters stored potential and kinetic energy in relation to height.
With no forward airspeed, in a hover, there is obviously a maximum height that the engine can quit and the pilot still have power to slow the decent and not slam into the ground. As you go beyond this height you increase damage to the heli and eventually would kill the occupants. But! At some point you begin to have enough height that if the engine quit you could nose over and pick up some forward airspeed to keep the rotor turning until the flair. The area between is know as the dead mans curve. You don't fly at these altitudes without some forward airspeed or you will fall out of the sky if the engine quits.

That's why you don't see news choppers go into a full hover if they are over a scene, they always keep moving just a little, circling because the height you typically see them at is probably in or near the curve for that machine.

I used to take lessons from my uncle who flys an Enstrom F28F and aside from on a dime autos he was also able to take off and land without using the tail pedals! He'd bring the rotor speed up and as soon as the skids left the ground he'd put the nose over. The tail would get around about 90 degrees and then it would start to weather vane back and then he'd just auto back in, never touchin the pedals!
He was confident that if he ever lost the tail rotor he'd be able to save the bird as long as he had room to get it moving or set it down.

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09-02-2004 03:08 PM  13 years agoPost 63
53mech

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When I was in the Marines we did autos for fun. There is nothing like being able to float in the air then get pressed into your seat on the recovery. You have to practice autos, if you lose an engine or have total loss of the main driveshaft. Better to be well trained and ready then sorry. You should practice them with your r/c's as well. Two weeks ago my glow plug crapped out and down she came from about 75 feet. Needless to say I didn't practice auto's and she hit the ground really hard busting the gear and main frame. It makes me sick to think that if I did practice auto's I might have saved it. Although it doesn't help that I fly a heavy under powered Venture .30

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09-02-2004 04:34 PM  13 years agoPost 64
jamesdh

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Not fun

Having worked in the Oil and Gas industry for 9 years I flew in helicopters at a minimium of once a week, sometimes for hours at a time, I have racked up at least 500 flights in helicopters of all different types.
I've been in two real autos. One in a UH-1 with about 12 people in it where we landed in a school yard. Cracked the little window at the front of the nose on the co-pilots side because we hit so hard. Pilot had a hard time finding a place to set down.

The other one was in another UH-1, also with a full load, where we were at around 1200 feet over the ocean when the engine just quit. Luckily the beach was close enough that we were able to make it to land before running out of altitude.
Both times scared the heck out of me. Everyone in the chopper was ghost white when we landed.
Both times the pilots were ex-vietnam vets and did great jobs.

Practicing them may be fun but being in a real one is NOT fun.

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09-02-2004 05:41 PM  13 years agoPost 65
Rocky boy

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Great Thread

What a great thread. I was going to post some of my own experiences unstill I saw the credentials of some of the other guys.

I'm 23 hours into my PPL(H) in the UK and about 4 hours (actual) and 40 hours (simulator) into trying to fly a Raptor 50v2 and Hummingbird CP.

I can tell you that from my perspective learning to fly a model is a whole lot harder. Not only are the controls and their effects very much the same (everything effects everything else) but with a model you have perspective to deal with. Also it’s an awful lot easier (as a student) to "catch" an early movement in the real thing and apply a subtle correction. Sometimes I'm not even aware my hand is moving !!!

I suppose the best thing about models are HH gyro’s. Imagine every time change pitch / throttle having to make a corrective input into the tail. Does anyone fly a model without a gyro ?

Of course, on the real thing, the "price" for failure is a lot higher. My survival instincts still have me gripping the cyclic till my knuckles go white no matter how much I try and tell myself to relax.

The challenge to fly both types well is what keeps me coming back for more.

Some one said its like golf. As an 18 handicapper I agree, no matter how good you are (or think you are) you will never master it. But you can get better and better if you put in the time and effort.

RB

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09-03-2004 02:49 AM  13 years agoPost 66
drsuessmn

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Ellendale Minnesota USA

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Ive had a discovery flight in a schweizer 300 cb for an hour first time ever in a heli and he demod an auto with power recovery at the bottom (what a rush) and he gave me the sticks for ff and also some practice hovering I truly have to say that that hovering made more than one airplane pilot nervous as we were moving close to the taxiway from time to time but man it was awesome now to get the wife convinced to up the life ins and sign the big check for the license (13000 +- here in minnesota)

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