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Posted by im4711 on 12-19-2013 12:22 AM:
Well - after waiting for some time I received shipping notice today that my HD500 Cell (standing for HeliDesign) has been shipped. Its the first shipment getting out for that new brand heli.

Looking forward to the build and maiden of this 500 size machine.
Posted by BladeScraperz on 12-19-2013 02:56 AM:
Congrats and let us know all about it
Posted by dj80550 on 12-19-2013 03:48 AM:
Congrats and let us know all about it
+1, Good luck on the build, anxious to hear about this model. Might give the G500 a good run for the money.
Posted by lyonsd58 on 12-19-2013 03:11 PM:
HD...huh?
What us the deal with this new heli manufacturer? This 500 Cell is there 1st product, right?
What class/category would you guts put them in terms of quality, robustness? Are they "cheap & dirty", are they Blade-like, Goblin-like, what?
Do they have some distinguishing feature or concept?
Posted by cmsilvoy on 12-19-2013 06:52 PM:
The HD 500 Cell has a cellular architecture or design feature.
It was designed in Germany (I think) by some really intelligent guys.
I met them at IRCHA.
Milled from a single block of aluminum using a Hermle 5 axis machine, the cellular core of the machine aligns the main shaft and drive components, clamps the tail boom, and holds the servos and motor.

Really innovative. And with this size machine, the core may well be nearly indestructible.

Chris
Posted by SkyfoxSXer on 12-19-2013 07:15 PM:
Its a really cool looking design. Hope they scale it up to 600 and 700 size. I really like the idea of a gearless drive train.
Posted by Noobyflyer on 12-19-2013 07:34 PM:
This is their first heli and it only has one distributor in the states. Parts are super expensive and I am having Shape flashbacks.

Looks nice, but unless you are WAY past the crashing stage and fly conservatively, putting that thing in looks like a $650 500 size re-kit.
Posted by cmsilvoy on 12-20-2013 01:34 AM:
This is their first heli and it only has one distributor in the states. Parts are super expensive and I am having Shape flashbacks.
Oh WAIT! I thought you were describing the Goblin.....

First helicopter from SAB
One distributor in the USA
Parts are super expensive....

Just saying, perspective counts.....

If it proves to be worthy, it will be a success....

Chris
Posted by im4711 on 12-20-2013 03:11 AM:
Thanks for some of the kind replies. I really appreciate those.

The once trying to make it sound bad before they even have any idea - well thanks for your comments but hey - you can try talking a good product down but it still stays a good product.

Have to see if I should consider putting pictures at this forum or not since its not worth time getting bashed and have folks try to down talk excitement of hobbyists that want one thing only - enjoy the hobby and share some good experience.

Still thanks for the comments.

BTW -> for the very smart person saying only one shop selling it -> its 2 online shops in the US selling it and not one. So please at least try to be honest. Also about the price -> its similar priced to other products such as Goblin 500 or Logo 480 while it runs same blade size as G500 and therefore is a true 500 size heli.
Posted by im4711 on 12-20-2013 11:56 AM:
all sentiments aside - since there are most likely a few who are interested in some new helicopter on the market here are the pictures from unpacking. Lets keep in mind - those folks have been working on heli designs before. They actually had a great idea for a new 500 size machine and ... pulled it off within a year time. Thats something others have not been able to accomplish and I am still amazed how well they did so far. The heli has been on display at IRCHA and actually they took some good advice from their discussions with other pilots increasing blade size to allow up to 515 mm blades.
Also its not ultra light weight - this machine is less heavy than some of their competitors. The full belt driven unit will be whisper quite and allow you to hear motor and blade noise only. I am hooked by their innovative design and first glance looks like quality is great too. The build will start this Afternoon.

Posted by Noobyflyer on 12-20-2013 12:59 PM:
It's just a heli bro and you've had it for a day.

Why not wait till you've built it and put it in the air before telling people how well it flies.
Posted by Magneto 3D on 12-20-2013 01:16 PM:
Im4711 Thanks for posting It looks Great! Have Fun with the Build!

Team Kontronik HeliDirect Cyclone Blades

Posted by fastflyer20 on 12-20-2013 01:52 PM:
im4711, keep the pictures coming, this is a unique heli

noobyflyer - tone it down, he spent his hard earned money on a heli and is kind enough to share it with us. It would be a shame if your negative comments causes him or others to decides not to make posts like this.

Tom
CAUTION - my posts are based on my experiences, yours may be different.

Posted by Pistol Pete on 12-20-2013 01:54 PM:
Looks really nice...subscribed.

~~Enjoying the hobby one flight at a time~~

Posted by rtnaviman on 12-20-2013 02:16 PM:
Looking great, keep the progress and info coming.
Posted by RCHSF on 12-20-2013 02:39 PM:
Looks great, nice smooth fit to finish appears just from looks. I love the main one piece core design. Awesome!!!
Posted by chas1025 on 12-20-2013 03:12 PM:
I agree with IM. I have seen this heli in person and it is very well built, and the design appears to be fantastic for durability. When I had the chance to see it fly it is very quiet, and has a wide head speed envelope compared to most in this size. Seeing the nice packaging is the icing on the cake.

Charles
Posted by kingmeow on 12-20-2013 07:14 PM:
What???? It comes with a chocolate Santa???? I'm buying one!

Thanks for posting the pics. Even though I have no interest in this, it's always good to see a new model on the market. More competition is good for the consumer!
Posted by im4711 on 12-21-2013 04:56 AM:
OK - heli almost finished. Need to go through the pictures and will post first progress tomorrow (Saturday). Build overall went easy and for a new heli on the market it actually went very well. A few minor things I noticed have been more related to servo horns I used. So no show stopper but inconvenient since the BK Servo horns are a bit thick and pushed me adding a few more spacer plates under the elevator servo to get the ball line up nice and clean. Worked out fine.

Will possibly make some comments when getting to the pictures and later maiden video.

For all in doubt - Quality was so far best for any heli I build with the exception of TDR and Diabolo. I have tried most brands so far. This looks very promising. Will see about flight characteristics but as it always is - those are based on your own settings. So based on design I expect it to be good.
Posted by McKrackin on 12-21-2013 06:28 AM:
This should be a really cool thread...Never seen this one before.

Just put the haters on ignore and that bans them from posting in your threads.One in particular shouldn't even be allowed on the site...Just FYI.

Thanks for sharing.
Posted by RogerRabbit62 on 12-21-2013 06:53 AM:
ernie, without the haters such a thread would be booring.

Those people mostly never designed a single part nor a complete system and do not have the slightest idea how much effort and dedication is put into those things they have in their hands.

The hd500 is a nice design. I am looking forward to the flight experience of the owners.
Posted by Trickycopter on 12-21-2013 02:06 PM:
Some one always has to be negative we live in a negative world Nice looking Helicopter keep us updated on the build and the maiden flight considering selling my 450 and getting a 500 size heli this one would be at the top of the list. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

Synergy E7 AMA member Team Old Farts citizen 401 www.trickycopterrc.blogspot.com

Posted by Pascal-KC on 12-21-2013 03:16 PM:
+1 on the need to be positive... Regardless of what we fly or what brand or model gets us excited, why cannot we just be happy to share this great hobby? Diversity of options and tastes makes it interesting... How boring if everyone had the same stuff at the flying field.

Thank you for sharing the details and pictures of this new bird, and keep the passion and excitement up... Looking forward to hear more on the build and of course the first flights.

Team Mikado, Team Revolectrix, KBDD Team Pilot

Posted by Eury on 12-21-2013 04:03 PM:
That's a really great looking canopy. What is the Cell? Is it that box looking thing in your parts pictures? I'm having a hard time picturing it. I'd imagine its similar in design to the main plate assembly on a Goblin, but machined out of a solid piece. Is that accurate?

Nick Crego

Citizen #0168

Posted by fastflyer20 on 12-21-2013 11:48 PM:
Some good pics here:

http://www.hd-helicopters.com/hd-500-cell-dbds3

Tom
CAUTION - my posts are based on my experiences, yours may be different.

Posted by rpat on 12-22-2013 12:00 AM:
I have to comment on how it is packaged. If they put as much effort into the heli as they did on packaging this thing it looks like you have a winner there. I just bet that the machining on the bird is top notch.

trex 700fbl cal30,minititan,, trx600fbl,trex250,logo 500,Velocity N2

Posted by esmoglo on 12-22-2013 12:28 AM:
subscribed!

Ugly can be fixed stupid is forever!

Posted by Eury on 12-22-2013 12:29 AM:
It's really cool how they use that slot in the cell to work as an anti rotation mechanism. Neat design.

Nick Crego

Citizen #0168

Posted by JKos on 12-22-2013 02:05 AM:
Very cool design. What I don't like, however, is how exposed and vulnerable the battery is. It's exposed right in a common crush zone. I would be inclined to make the carbon fiber frames come forward on the sides to protect the battery.

Love the canopy. Not so much the landing gear.

I'm curious to hear what the all-up weight is. It might be a bit heavy. But, we'll see.

- John

RR rules!

Posted by im4711 on 12-22-2013 03:46 AM:
Well - sorry for the delay posting but I was busy getting the heli ready to go and get the maiden flight done. In addition its not the only forum to communicate the info. So it simply takes some time.

Has it all been just easy build? No sure not since this is the first production batch and yes I received the first production heli shipped due to the shipping options I picked.

So a few issues have simply beed the pin holding the tail pulley to the tail shaft needed some cleaning because it was too tight of a fit. So I just cleaned it up incl. the hole of the tail shaft.
The more critical issue was a washer that has been 3 mm and turned out that in production unit it should have been 2 mm. I grinder mine down and actually had a few calls with the owner of the company. They have been so kind calling me directly to discuss the options. Any owner contacting them will get the 2 mm replacement spacer supplied directly. It will get into mail next week as soon as you contact them. Great customer support and even better to call me to walk through the options.

At the end ... did get the maiden flight done and yes after a bit of a mishap I had a few successful flights. Mishap has been caused by a simple mistake with bad outcome on m,y end. Turned out that the Heli did hold up perfectly well. Only main and tail blades needed to be replaced. So I could take off right after fixing my setup issue.

And Why cell? Look at the components. They have a high sophisticated cell as main part where all gets mounted to that. This one is machined on a 5 axis high precision CNC machine. Overall I am very pleased. The heli feels very agile and I did run mine from 1900 up to 2700 rpm today. Second flight had 1900/2200 and 2400 rpm set. Great handling even at 1900 rpm. So all bashing friends - you can try bashing but it still remains a great heli. Has a new heli hitting the market issues? We know thats common and as long as manufacturers respond right away - its OK for me and I have no issue trying new stuff. I actually love it.

Posted by Bouchah on 12-22-2013 04:03 AM:
The bird looks nice, the one thing I dont care much for about it is the skids, I have not found a set of carbon skids that I thought looked right on any bird yet though. Other than that judging by looks alone, I like it.

Blade 130x (5)
Trex 550 V2 (18)
Shuttle ZXX
Freya Xspec (20)

Posted by dj80550 on 12-22-2013 04:05 AM:
Good review with detailed pictures. How are you liking the BK servos? Great choice for esc also, Kontronik is top notch. Santa looks quite pleased with the build.
Posted by JKos on 12-22-2013 04:12 AM:
How much does it weigh?

Also, I notice in your pictures that even ready to fly it leans back on the skids. Why would they design it like that?

- John

RR rules!

Posted by Craigdieslemac on 12-22-2013 04:49 AM:
Man, those mechanics are gorgeous. too pretty for that canopy. I love the innovation, and I hope it flies great for you. Gonna take some getting used to. At first glance, with the canopy on, looks like an Align, and I am not an align fan. I have respect for the name though, as they are probably one of the biggest reasons this hobby is where it is today, I just don't like the looks of an align. As for the skids, the Goblin skids took some getting used to, as these on this animal will too. It is hard to innovate in this hobby it seems, and they have pulled it off, mind you, not perfectly. For real, those skids, need to be, at the very least, half the length they are. and some angle would be awesome. The canopy looks like minicopter and align met in an alley and had a late night escapade.. maybe its just the paint scheme I don't care for...

Bottom line, that frame and the complete belt drive system.. awesome. Good thread, good build, thanks for bringing it to us to evaluate. Hopefully the designers are reading this and taking notes.

Aut viam inveniam aut faciam

Posted by esmoglo on 12-22-2013 04:54 AM:
Excellent and honest review of this heli thanks for taking time to share your thoughts and tips. Also, I really like the chocolate Santa!! did he make it to the filed for the maiden flight? I am in the process of starting a Logo 500SE build and I am jealous wish I had the Cell 500 now.

And now for a few hash tags because I can #######

Ugly can be fixed stupid is forever!

Posted by im4711 on 12-22-2013 10:17 AM:
For a little clarification -> how did little chocolate santa make it into the build pictures. I ordered my Kontronik Jive 100 and Pyro motor and ... They have been so kind shipping it from Germany with the chocolate santa. Since I use the electronics in the build and it is Christmas time - I had to have a bit Christmas feeling in the pictures. I actually would have taken little santa to the field but he would melt at the current temperatures (not just by sitting in the HD500).

About having it lean backward a bit. Yes some noticed correct. It mainly is because the rear velcro I put a bit far back there and was too lazy changing it. Will get that adjusted most likely today so I can put the batteries further to the front.

Looking at the CF landing skids - its a matter of taste and since I did like it on other helis I do like that look. They seem to be very solid and I do not expect them breaking easy.

Today is a bit relaxing time and therefore mostly for dialing in the parameters better. I am working on the maiden video. Looks like the initial roll over the ground on first try as well as the 2 flights after that came out good in video quality. So tonight I will post the video.
Posted by Noobyflyer on 12-22-2013 01:47 PM:
Ah geeze

Great helicopter

Merry Christmas to all
Posted by im4711 on 12-22-2013 07:04 PM:
@Noobyflyer - thanks for your wonderful bashing comments to scare people for nothing. You are simply wrong about a few comments that have no basis and turn that either you do not really know or I am not sure what your interest is to make such comments to sound scaring people about a well working product.

1. Canopy -> it was planned for shorter motors and people like me using the larger motors just do a simple mod. You say Goblin is so much better canopy? Not sure why. You say the canopy is going to rub off wires? Where? its not even hitting any wires in the front I I protected my wires (my choice of placement and others do it different). -> Sorry but your statement is unrealistic and just kind form of bashing. Nevertheless a new canopy has been designed and all be surprised it is certainly going to look cool and possibly work better for taller motors. Again its my motor choice not the recommended motor.

2. Battery placement. Why is the battery at risk? You may mix up SAB and HD500. The battery is hanging well protected by frame left and right and canopy in the front. No moving parts in the area. So I assume you even love bashing Banshee, TDR, Diabolo, Voodoo helicopters. All high end machines and all with very similar battery placement. Amazing why the high end machine do that isn't it? Looks like to you they are all fools. Actually the opposite. They protect the batteries from moving parts. If you are interested I can explain to you the 2 batterie fires I had in helis this year while flying. And no the design is more safe this way than others.

3. Why does blade designing help to make good helicopters? I understand you hate the designer because he did something you and I may not be able to pull off. They designed a heli and did bring it to the market within one year time frame. One year - think about it for some time and than keep bashing.

If you simply hate me - go for it I will stop showing up on this forum. I thought this is a forum where the hobby is enjoyed and not poison spread around. Sorry but I have no stake with you and do not see what I did to you to get such love posts from your end. Just stay cool even Florida is warm at the moment.
Posted by Noobyflyer on 12-22-2013 07:57 PM:
Hate you? No! Not at all.

Edited my post just to put the grinch away for the holidays.

Some brave souls have to go first to report back to the community so that we can proceed to spend our hard earned or choose another heli. And you did just that and with pictures for nothing in return. So, thanks.

Either way, if it flies and it's fun, then right on. Looks like it does both for you so it's a home run and brought you the joy you had waited a long time for.

I sure as hell can't design or manufacture a heli
Posted by JKos on 12-22-2013 08:27 PM:
How much does it weigh?

- John

RR rules!

Posted by im4711 on 12-22-2013 08:46 PM:
The heli is in the same range as the G500 (have no scale but lifting it makes it feel similar). Only thing that gets me is that even with similar weight, same electronics, same blades ... I am able to pull between 6-8 Minutes with my Cell compared to 4-5 Minutes with my G500. Again - same electronics (except different FBL systems) and same blades.
Posted by Shawn Behrens on 12-22-2013 09:30 PM:
So from the pictures it looks as though the linkage rod going from elevator servo to swash is a different length than the others. If this is correct what is causing the obstruction that requires the geometry to be this way? Hard to tell from the pictures how the below the head geometry is exactly laid out. Are their any better photos of the below the swash geometry?

Thanks for posting all the pictures thus far too

RCROTORPRO
Compass Helicopters

Posted by im4711 on 12-23-2013 12:56 AM:
Yes they are different length. Since they are placed directly under the swash there is no geometrical issue at all. I Checked swash at center and lowest/highest input. All level.

The elevator servo is placed with servo arm on bottom while aileron and pitch servos are placed with arm on the top. Thats the reason for the different length.

When setting them up I did (as explained in the manual) bring the servo arms in 90 degree angle and based on that adjusted the linkage length leveling the swash and making the FBL arms also be at 90 degree angle.
What you get with their design is great access to the servos and their screws at any later time for maintenance/repair.
Posted by esmoglo on 12-23-2013 01:54 AM:
Hold on here I missed this (chocolate Santa is a Kontronik type)….Wow never knew Kontronik made chocolate Santa's ha ha.. Nice to see they are in the Christmas spirit..

You know now I don't want to build the logo 500SE after seeing this thread....

Ugly can be fixed stupid is forever!

Posted by im4711 on 12-23-2013 02:26 AM:
you cracked me up esmoglo

Yes they have been in Christmas spirit. I even was amazed ordering directly from Kontronik I received the stuff within 3 days to the US. Could not believe it went through customs that fast.

The combo of using the Jive 100LV with Pyro 600-11 is a great fit for this machine. However if I would place a new order on electronics I might pick the Jive 100LV with Pyro 600-09 (910 kV motor) and use the 18t pinion for even more traction on the belt.

Anyone thinking about their electronics my recommendation is a motor in the 900 - 1000 kV range. Seems a better fit to be able to use larger pinion for better traction. But thats just my personal opinion.
Posted by im4711 on 12-23-2013 04:47 AM:
Well here is my maiden flight video. Its a mix of the first 3 flights from Saturday.

Watch at YouTube

Posted by JKos on 12-23-2013 08:12 AM:
Great video.
I am able to pull between 6-8 Minutes with my Cell compared to 4-5 Minutes with my G500.
Wow! That's saying something about drivetrain efficiency right there.

Same headspeed?

- John

RR rules!

Posted by im4711 on 12-23-2013 10:43 AM:
Yes similar in head speed. G500 is just not as agile at 1900 so that runs at 2000 lowest. Running the G500 I can pull off about 5 - 5:30 Min at 2000 rpm. The HD 500 was mostly running a mix. Most time 2300 and to some point running 1900 and 2600.
That was amazing to me. My system is setup to tell me the mAh usage. So I was wondering how long I can fly. the 7:45 min I pulled with flying a mix under very windy conditions flying a mix while mostly running it at 2300 rpm. On my G500 I get up to 4:30 on 2300 rpm.

Also interesting about it is that I use almost same electronics and blades (since I detroyed my blades in first take off attempt lol). Only difference in electronic setup simply is the different fbl system. The G500 uses the vbar while the HD500 is equipped with the BD3sx.
Posted by Pascal-KC on 12-23-2013 11:02 AM:
Great video. Sweet bird.

Same question on the headspeed

Team Mikado, Team Revolectrix, KBDD Team Pilot

Posted by im4711 on 12-23-2013 11:31 AM:
answer is yes on the head speed as mentioned in last post.
Posted by Pascal-KC on 12-23-2013 11:58 AM:
Sorry... Too early... Can't read. Watching cool videos OK though

Team Mikado, Team Revolectrix, KBDD Team Pilot

Posted by im4711 on 12-24-2013 01:12 AM:
Here are a few pictures showing the HD500 Cell next to the G500.

Posted by im4711 on 12-24-2013 11:59 AM:
Here a few pictures from the HD500 Cell in flight.

Posted by Retired2011 on 12-24-2013 12:48 PM:
Don't know why I didn't tune in to this thread before...maybe because I was not familiar with what an HD500 Cell was.

At least I missed the bashing...hopefully!
I'm glad that didn't run you off.

Looks like a nice design. Several times during your build pics I saw things that reminded me of TDR-like design features, so it was interesting to read your comments comparing to TDR & Diabolo.

Good job on the pics & video also.

Do you know if they are planning any larger helis?

Chet

Posted by Eury on 12-24-2013 03:06 PM:
I'm curious, im4711, what is your relationship with this heli's designers and distribution? The overflowing praise, claim of having the first kit in the country, and shouting down of anyone with any criticism sounds like you are a rep or have some other financial interest.

Nick Crego

Citizen #0168

Posted by Craigdieslemac on 12-24-2013 04:04 PM:
I too defend my toys.. I wish I was a rep.. or was sponsored or aligned with a company in some way.
That radio is crazy, you flying the shuttle in your spare time?

Aut viam inveniam aut faciam

Posted by Retired2011 on 12-24-2013 05:41 PM:
I'm curious, im4711, what is your relationship with this heli's designers and distribution? The overflowing praise, claim of having the first kit in the country, and shouting down of anyone with any criticism sounds like you are a rep or have some other financial interest.
Seriously?
I guess I didn't miss all of the bashing in this thread.

Chet

Posted by Heli_Splatter on 12-24-2013 06:11 PM:
Bashing???
It does seem like a fair/reasonable question. It is not bashing to ask if the guy has any financial interest.

If he paid full price, and is not getting any thing in return for posting all of this information, it is an easy question to answer and he should not be offended.

If he is compensated, I don't mind it, but it is nice to know.
Posted by Pascal-KC on 12-24-2013 06:12 PM:
Thank you Chet... I would have reacted to this as well...

Team Mikado, Team Revolectrix, KBDD Team Pilot

Posted by Eury on 12-24-2013 06:51 PM:
Grow up, OH. Asking someone if they are a rep is not bashing. It is fair to ask if we are being sold something since the reps always gloss over or deny any problems that they might have as opposed to an end user who paid retail who will give a fair review. Some people (like me) are considering buying one of these, and if this is a real end user then the feedback is valuable. If it's a rep then it is significantly less valuable.

Nick Crego

Citizen #0168

Posted by Dan Minick on 12-24-2013 07:23 PM:
i was wondering the same thing. i like my helicopters, but this guy is making it seem like a paid commercial. so what is it?

Team Synergy, Team FBL Rotors-------if its not broke...it will be!

Posted by Retired2011 on 12-24-2013 07:28 PM:
It's not what was asked, but how it was asked it!
Sounded like bashing to me.

Eury, you are the one that needs some maturity!

Just because someone buys a new product and is thrilled with it enough to post all about it does not make them a questionable person, IMHO.

Chet

Posted by im4711 on 12-24-2013 07:47 PM:
Mhhhh -> how would you get the first production unit at your desk? Rep of HD Helicopters? I do not think so. If I would be in any direct relation to the company I would have mentioned it. Common sense and simple rule.

so what real options are to get the first production kit?
1. I preordered the same day it was available for preorder. So I simply was the first one ordering the kit in the US.
2. I contacted helidirect for change of shipping option. Due to the initial delay and me wanting it before Christmas - I simply ask them to change my shipping from regular shipping to overnight with priority handling. Enthusiastic as I am with new toys - I paid for getting it overnight.
3. Getting it build first again has to do with my personal excitement of new toys that I cannot see sitting in a corner forever.

No magic and no secret.

However when I did run into some road blocks in the building process I did contact the manufacturer and speaking their language as well as knowing quite a bit about heli's helps a lot to figure out proper solution in a matter of minutes. That was the only magic part.

Since I have the heli for a few days flying now -> its an awesome machine and my excitement goes more up now since its dialed in rather well.
Posted by Noobyflyer on 12-24-2013 11:52 PM:
You speak German huh? What are the odds of that?

I call BS. Free marketing going on here.

This is way over the top for someone with a new kit especially all of your posts over on the other site.
Posted by RyanW on 12-25-2013 12:31 AM:
I appreciate you showing us the details of the kit and build. I would have otherwise not know anything about this machine. In fact I mistakenly grouped this with all of the other machines coming out under different names, but have similar canopies.

-Ryan
Mikado USA, Kontronik, Opti-Power, MKS Servos

Posted by Eury on 12-25-2013 01:22 AM:
Eury, you are the one that needs some maturity!
Yes, asking someone if they have a financial interest in a company is so childish. Lol.

Nick Crego

Citizen #0168

Posted by im4711 on 12-25-2013 03:09 AM:
Decided not to answer any more accusations since they are simply BS.

So for those who do not believe - check out my background and my real live job. RC helis are just a hobby and I mean it - just a hobby I use to 'recharge my batteries' for my daily job.

As stated before if I am in relation to the company I would have proudly mentioned it from the beginning. Unfortunate to me I am not. I have a daily job in a completely different area that is not even remotely related to rc hobby.

That BTW is the last comment to the BS accusations some love spreading around.

Lesson learned runryder seem to be a not so friendly place. Sorry for my misjudgment. Will think twice for future posts. I will be open minded to answer questions about the build but not to answer accusations being pulled into the political driven directions. Its a hobby to me. Not more and not less.
Posted by 1004ron on 12-25-2013 03:22 AM:
Unsubstantiated foolish accusations and disruptive non-constructive criticism.

If you suspect forum abuse, such as unauthorised advertising, the correct thing to do is report it to the forum administrator/owner.

Goblin 700 AR7200BX / T550E V2 AR7200BX / 450 Pro FBL, GT5

Posted by Craigdieslemac on 12-25-2013 04:34 AM:
You guy are being ridiculous.. what facts do you have to base a claim that he is anyone other than who he says he is? It is childish, and its dramatic... let the drama queens do as they will.. keep posting dude, OH.. wheres your foil hat, it may be necessary again for the conspiracy theorists.
On that note.. Merry Christmas.. and if you are a rep.. can I have a free heli? lol
Jeff

Aut viam inveniam aut faciam

Posted by Pascal-KC on 12-25-2013 04:43 AM:
It seems that some of the guys who have been on this forum for too long feel entitled... and have no issue creating an hostile environment. Shameful... not to say ridiculous with the conspiracy theories (oh yeah, anyone who speaks German must be a secret employee of a German RC Helicopter manufacturer )... If you have lost your genuine excitement for this hobby, please do not kill it in others.

With this said, merry Christmas to those who can still feel a bit of Christmas spirit.

Team Mikado, Team Revolectrix, KBDD Team Pilot

Posted by Noobyflyer on 12-25-2013 10:05 AM:
No hole, it just adds to the promotion of a product under the auspices of "just another hobbyist here." There are a lot of inconsistencies that don't add up and I don't like being taken for a ride. Couple people take issue with it and here come the "do goods" to pile on.

Bullshi+
Posted by Craigdieslemac on 12-25-2013 10:28 AM:
You are being taken for a ride? As if you are locked in a room with this guy? Can't get away from this one guy on an Internet forum.. Ohhhh noooooooo what do I dooooooooooo???? He's trying to force this down my throat!!! Click the back arrow and move your negative ass on. I thought this forum was a place to share and build the hobby. Who cares if he was a vendor, or had some ties to the heli, have you ever seen one? Nope, you haven't, because it's new and he shared it with the RR community, first one. If I had the first heli of any brand you bet your ass I would be on here slowing down the server with all the pics I would be uploading, talking that thing up like it was the greatest thing on the planet. I would be excited, especially to have something that is truly new. That being said, I expect a heli to fly when it's new, that's what it is designed to do, It's the long term I would be more interested in. Don't bust this guys chops for sharing this, you will just make others feel less inclined to do so. Swallow this pill...About that moment you feel inclined to be dramatic or say something unsubstantiated... Click that back button before you make an ass of yourself. Nobody is being forced to read his thread.. Period.

Aut viam inveniam aut faciam

Posted by Retired2011 on 12-25-2013 01:11 PM:
Click the back arrow and move your negative ass on.
You just started my Christmas morning off with a!!!

Some people want us all to be as miserable as they are...
NEWS FLASH - IT AIN'T WORKING

HO-HO-HO MERRRYY CHRISTMAS

Chet

Posted by im4711 on 12-25-2013 05:45 PM:
Merry Christmas to all.

Did buy a second HD500 for Christmas. Totally unexpected for him and he now is wrenching on his machine.

Cool thing for me is to see if its the same level of quality. So far all looking great.

I already did file down the spacers for FBL arms from 3.1 to 1.7 mm since I do not want to wait for the new spacers in the mail.

Also anyone who may build this unit. When you try getting the elevator rod through the plastic tube I want to point out this is an extreme tight fit. The way to install it easiest is to put one of the linkage rod pans on the rod and than put it through by turning it. It takes a while but do not use force. Was laughing because my son tried to push it through the hard way. So I stopped him and showed the easier way to put them on.
Posted by im4711 on 12-25-2013 06:11 PM:
Here another flight video. It was a very windy day but still fun flying on christmas eve.

Watch at YouTube

Posted by im4711 on 12-26-2013 02:07 PM:
Cool thing is that my son builds his own HD500 Cell and I am just checking if all goes in OK or not.

The first issue he hit was similar to what I experienced. So just this time I knew it might come:
The pin holding the tail pulley in place is a very tight fit. However as in the first build we had an issue pushing it through the hole by hand. I do not like using force since you want to be able to take it apart later. This time I took a bit more time to check it out.

The pin itself is perfectly fine. However they drill the holes in the shaft for the pin and for the set screw. So far good. Than they put in the lead for the set screw and that seems to be the last step in production. That puts metal pieces in the way. So a very small file to clean out the inner edge of the hole would make it work very smooth. I think they change that for the next shipments.
Mentioned it to them and yes they will clean them out.

Still something to watch out for.

The second one I came across this morning is the tail rotor spindle. The edges are sharp and may be a hundreds of a mm thicker. Its not noticeable looking at it but you can feel it in a way and when pushing the tail blade holders on the spindle its only possible with force. So I used a bit fine sand paper to clean it and all went on smooth.
Posted by im4711 on 12-30-2013 01:33 AM:
Second HD500 Cell is in the air now. Working great and my son is very happy with his new heli.

Posted by Craigdieslemac on 12-30-2013 02:18 AM:
You should be a photographer.. lol. I always have the best of intentions when it comes to taking heli pics.. But I end up flying too long or doing something else. The wife is the photographer at this house.

Aut viam inveniam aut faciam

Posted by im4711 on 12-31-2013 01:32 AM:
haha - thanks.

BTW - for all who are interested - here a link to a tips and tricks document at my google drive to share some information for the first batch where the issues are fixed on second batch. Still some information maybe helpful during the build process.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_...dit?usp=sharing
Posted by im4711 on 01-01-2014 06:15 PM:
My son's HD500 Cell got finished by the end of 2013 and he was able to maiden it even it was very windy and not perfect day flying.

Watch at YouTube

Posted by 1004ron on 01-01-2014 07:26 PM:
Looking good.

Interested to hear reports after you have a good few flights on them.

Goblin 700 AR7200BX / T550E V2 AR7200BX / 450 Pro FBL, GT5

Posted by im4711 on 01-01-2014 08:23 PM:
Actually the first HD500 Cell has about 97 flights on it now. The second one has about 15 flights by now.

First one had one crash out of 12 ft nose down due to a wire coming off. It was at the end of a loop coming nose down.
Crash went not bad at all. Canopy beaten up very bad. Still rest survived very well. Just the main blades, one bearing shot, one linkage broken and a set of screws and spacer from ;landing gear mount bend. Thats about all. Heli is back in the air just fixing canopy with epoxy and straighten the screws and spacer as good as possible.
Posted by IYKIST on 08-31-2015 02:20 PM:
I know this thread is a few months old but would like to know how the helicopter is holding up and surprised that this solid looking machine is not very well known.
Posted by Noobyflyer on 02-06-2016 01:18 PM:
Wish the canopy enclosed the motor. Would look a bit better IMO.
Posted by im4711 on 04-14-2016 11:22 PM:
The heli is actually holding up very well. In case of a crash you see the typical stuff - I sometimes have to change the side frames and landing gear. For sure I have to change the bottom frame spacers and screws.

What I normally do is put it on the side and change one side first and if the other is damaged do that second. Fixing it is pretty easy.

One machine has about 3000 flights on it -> its the very first production machine and I left it completely V1 from initial batch. The other two machines have a few hundred flights.
The End of 2015 and this year they did get less flight time on my end since I am mainly flying the big brother - HD750 for the moment.

About the canopy -> with the canopy open you get enough cooling for the motor. So actually not always bad but a matter of different taste. Some like it - others do not.
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