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Posted by povern on 07-24-2008 11:09 PM:
New record, 20 flights with no crash!!!

Hover, Nose in and Forward flight are easily within my grasp.

BTW, to get here 90 flights and 7 crashes ( about 2000 sim hours). If you do the math, please don't tell me.

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by Papa Sal on 07-24-2008 11:15 PM:
povern....I have you in my sights......four perfect flights......tomorrow, very high alt. nose in, PRAY for me Papa Sal

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by SkyWarp on 07-24-2008 11:17 PM:
Good Job! Food for thought however... If your not crashing.. then your not pushing yourself hard enough. Not to mention that its also an upgrade opportunity.


Century Swift-
Anticipating a crash is worse than the crash itself.

Posted by sinte on 07-25-2008 01:23 AM:
sweet!...crashing sucks...
Posted by tarzan_eb on 07-25-2008 05:26 AM:
new record
Now you did it

Fly it ! Crash it ! Rebuild it ! Repeat as needed !! Everett

Posted by Papa Sal on 07-25-2008 11:19 PM:
Make that number five.....here I come

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by bigdog714 on 07-26-2008 02:08 AM:
Remember when your butt cheeks get tired its time to land

MD 800
Logo 600SE
Logo 14/500 Carbon
Ballistic 700
HD 500V2
Hirobo 50E
Avant 90E

Posted by ruddernate on 07-26-2008 07:03 AM:
hovering
today was my first day of really hovering. after a test flight crash breaking a belt i repaired the trex 450 and today i finally hovered through 3 batteries, no crashes! have some issues to work out .. But it flies. the sim has finally paid off, so has my wallet. tommorrow i'll go for 6, i'm coming up from behind guys.
Posted by hal9000 on 07-26-2008 07:28 AM:
New record, 20 flights with no crash!!!
More power to ya...I suggest you knock on wood quick! Seems like every time i say, think, even just entertain the thought of making it through as many flights w/o crashing....well, i think you know where i'm going w/ this......

"Well i dont think there is any question about it. It can only be attributable to human error..

Posted by TrexRookie on 07-26-2008 10:33 AM:
^^ I agree... and if you look at my status, I'm a key veteran, so I MUST know what I'm talking about! heheheh (just kidding, I don't.. don't pay attention to me.) ........(really).
Posted by Papa Sal on 07-26-2008 05:46 PM:
I promise....I'll never say " WATCH THIS HONEY" again....Oh #6 today WHEW

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by LilZombie on 07-26-2008 07:57 PM:
Great job man!
Posted by Sean Williams on 07-27-2008 03:16 AM:
Great job dude!!

Team Avant
Team Triforce
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Posted by Colin Hoover on 07-27-2008 06:08 AM:
Graet job im up to about 12 with no crashes.

Just Flip It

Posted by povern on 07-27-2008 10:01 PM:
Up to 22, expect it to keep climbing.....

Heli nutz, Papa Sal, ruddernate come on guys, catch up!!!

Sky Warp, your right, just like in NASCAR if you ain't crashin' you ain't pushing yourself. However in the 22, there were 3 very close calls, where it should have gone in. Just don't tell Heli nutz, Papa Sal or ruddernate.

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by mchammer on 07-28-2008 12:10 AM:
Good job!!!

Peace Through Superior Firepower!!!

Posted by Papa Sal on 07-29-2008 06:45 PM:
AAAARRRRGGGGGH....just kidding. #7 I'll get you yet.

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by povern on 07-29-2008 07:55 PM:
Today at 25, with 2 this morning. Cool thing is I went inverted for the first time.

Then again.

And again.

Man that Sim is helpful.

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by Darren Lee on 07-29-2008 08:22 PM:
Food for thought however... If your not crashing.. then your not pushing yourself hard enough.
To that...I say BS!

I just had my first crash with my 500, flight number 527! And it was due to a lockout! Of course, it all evens out, because this one just cost me $360 plus a ruined $125 lipo!
Posted by ruddernate on 07-29-2008 09:17 PM:
not yet
19 flights no crashes. got 3 packs charged, coming at ya povern!switched to metal tail and head from copter x on my trex re-setup and still no crashes. sweet!

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 07-29-2008 10:21 PM:
go get HIM brother

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 07-30-2008 12:08 AM:
whereyat
you guys fall asleep. went through 6 packs this morning and afternoon. i guess i'm flying while you guys are at work. been contracting so i'm off for awhile right now. one close call where my heli chased me head high but saved it. noone tell povern. flight #25 batteries charging. one battery saw it's last flight though. nice and puffy. so that's gonna slow me down till i get my 3 new flight powers in the mail. you might have a chance yet guys. lovin it!
as far as "not crashing, not pushing yourself" i'm trying to do something new every few flights and shaking like a leaf everytime. if i pushed anymore i may explode.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 07-30-2008 12:43 AM:
KABOOOOOM....hissssssssss. Me-2

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 07-30-2008 04:14 AM:
#27
whereyat povern?

fly it like you stole it

Posted by povern on 07-30-2008 12:58 PM:
Flight #27, Went inverted, lost it.

Damage: Standard Trex 450 rebuild: Main Blades, Flybar, feathering shaft and main shaft.

To quote Kramer: 'I'm out'

However, by this time tomorrow, I'll be at 2.

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by Papa Sal on 07-30-2008 05:35 PM:
Oh NO I'm sorry Bro. # 8 mile high nose in hover.......three seconds....WHEW. # 9 tomorrow

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 07-30-2008 09:23 PM:
best crash
i think we've cursed ourlelves. who's next? Papa Sal , Heli Nuts, me!! raining here today so i'm doing some maintenance on the birds. got some kong powers in today though and 3 more coming. gotta go get those deans on em' and get um' ready for tommorrow. keep it up guys. next flight i'm gonna really push myself, and maybe this can turn into the best crash story thread!

fly it like you stole it

Posted by povern on 07-31-2008 11:09 PM:
4 Flights today, but my confidence is down, I got worried about simple slow FF, and nose in.

Whats the magic number and who is it?

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by ruddernate on 08-01-2008 05:11 AM:
magic #
had her nose in for a couple seconds. lots of side in hovering. still not real steady side in. for some reason i keep it pretty steady left and right but i guess i forget about forward backward so it's stays moving to much to call it a hover really. 30 flights.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by povern on 08-02-2008 01:26 AM:
0 Flights, in she went today.

Inverted sucks.

povern

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-02-2008 01:34 AM:
# 12. FF slow curcits, 1 figure eight to nose in hover......three seconds, three 90's to full lateral hover....and land......BREATHE. Throt. hold.....pass out

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-02-2008 01:36 AM:
Keep trying my Brother...I'm sorry for another loss You're gonna do it

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by povern on 08-05-2008 11:14 PM:
Just hit 10 flights

You guys still in this? What is the number to beat?

povern

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by ruddernate on 08-05-2008 11:58 PM:
i was at 36 flights until this morning. i've been doing quite a bit of ff and got brave today trying some pirouettes. i had the bird about 40 ft out and did a piro. and i had slowed my piro rate down because it was lightning fast. i stopped the tail with the heli almost nose in. i felt cofortable and was going to bring the tail around nice and easy. the heli had some lean angle on it and i didn't get the tail around fast enough and in st 2 she came at me nice and hot. i had enough time to duck a shoulder and took the 450 full rpm in the arm. just a couple minor scratches, had the sense enough to hit the switch as soon as she hit and damage was ,main gear,flybar (looks like a snake) radix blades and that's it. have everything except main gear so i ordered some extra's. i put a batt. in my other trex and did some piro's right after to shake the fear and went great. good thing im not flying 90's. this is why i fly alone for now.

my # is back to 1 now.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-06-2008 12:26 AM:
# 13......YIKES.......whew, stil together I know I'm slow.....but steady as she goes bouys taken time to build my new(adopted) Hawk. My dear friend Charlie had an extra chopper.....and gave it to me. You just gotta love like minded friends. My first nitro bird w/ OS 50. Somebody's got to trade me a gyro and a govenor for my OS FS-91 engine???? I have it on the wanted or trade list...to be continued

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 08-06-2008 04:03 PM:
hey Papa Sal, do you have any pix of the Hawk?

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-06-2008 05:08 PM:
not yet....I'm still tyrin to figure out how to down load them to the web.....I'll get it

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 08-06-2008 05:16 PM:
pics
if the pix are in your computer. go to your rr home and click my gallery , scroll down and click browse and your pictures should pull up. click on the pic you want and open it and it will show up in the browse on rr and click upload . like to see that hawk.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-06-2008 07:37 PM:
Yeah She's a real sweetie, Charlie was going to use her for a Scale Bell, but changed his mind and will make it an electric. So I've been putting the boom and canopy back together. She's got a scale muffler that I can't get off.....one of the bolts is welded ( I'm guessing)to the engine mount. Tomorrow morning I'm going to use a soldering iron to heat just the bolt, see if will loosen from the engine. the muffler will un-thread 1/2 a turn, but I can't get the head to bust loose. If that dosen't work I'll try to get the engine out. I DON'T want to strip the head. What do you think?

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 08-06-2008 07:45 PM:
heat sounds like a plan. drill and retap for desperate measures. maybe you'll get lucky. must've been setting quite a while.glad you're givin her some tlc. can't wait to see it.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-06-2008 09:22 PM:
r.n., did you get your ship back together?:

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 08-06-2008 09:30 PM:
thought i had another main gear but no. should be here friday and fly her this weekend. got the other trex flying . flew some this morning. taking it easy after my crash. using this time to lube belt and replace feathering shaft and main shaft. they look ok but i have several new ones and it hit pretty hard. friday i'll be ready to just put the main gear on and ready for the weekend. by the way i use heli proz a lot and used ron's heli proz south this time and got a phone call from them to make sure the shipping info was right and told me a cheaper route to go. great service. to me service is prime.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-06-2008 09:58 PM:
Up and runnin....AWESOME So that makes three for you? I wonder how everyone else is doin?.....BOYS???? Are you there?....# 15 4-me

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 08-07-2008 06:25 AM:
up to 4. gonna hover a little tomorrow. may try some nose in so i can show off a little this weekend. got it down on the sim. think i'll put some training gear back on and take off nose in and start like i did with tail in. trying to create some muscle memory on the sim tonight.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-07-2008 07:39 PM:
That's a GREAT idea. Is it you that says " fly two mistakes high" ? That seems to be my problem...when I get the 450 up high I loose orientation. ( I think i'm 7 mistakes high) I'll bring my gear to the group tomorrow and try that. I can do it on the sim too, but...... PUCKER. If I die you can have my stuff........just kiddin! LOL.

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 08-07-2008 08:01 PM:
my friend told me to fly two mistakes high. i also kind of freak out when it's high. for some reason i can't get a handle on the disk angle like i can when i can look at it from the side where you see every move much more clearly. however when it's higher for some reason my moves with the cyclic don't seem so exagerated. maybe it's mental but when i got it up higher it seems to help relax my thumbs a bit. imho i think hovering is the most difficult thing to do and when i finally got the nerve to lean her forward it seems easier to fly. im trying to make smooth turns and not change my elevation. for some reason (even on the sim) when i turn i bring my tail around to quickly and balloon the heli upward. maybe nerves. i decided to master turns on the sim without the elevation change first. nose in i heard the training gear routine here on rr. it makes sense to get comfortable with nose in the same way i did with tail in.here's a link to my mad 3d skills.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqvP2vJXZBw

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-07-2008 09:23 PM:
GREAT VID!!!! good job BRO. you can really hear when you switch to IDL-1 Woah, what is your head speed? You gotta love that Sexie Rexie blue BLING-BLING What's your radio?

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 08-07-2008 09:37 PM:
i'm using the Spektrum Dx7 and really like it. don't have much to compare it to other than a cheesy walkera 72 mgh. i have a handheld tach that i've used with reflecive tape but can't check it other than idle up. i'm going to smooth my throttle curve a little between idle up and st 1 because as you can see on the vid it jumps up quick. if you're not ready for it it'll get ya.that trex is my blinged trex. it's carbon boom and frame. the canopy is fake carbon but man it looks nice. what's the cheapest tool to use to check head speed? i could strap the bird down and check it but i'm a little scared to try it that way.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-07-2008 10:17 PM:
Yeah, don't strap 'er down. you'll pull the LG right off Keep looking for an optical tach...they're KOOOOOOOOOL. My friend Paul found one on rr for $30.00 bucks. I'm not sure what Heli Pro's charges for a new one. I know my MX 450XS turns 2100rpm in std. mode....we haven't spooled up to IDL-1......I'M afraid Once I get "nose in" down we'll give her a whril (pun intended).

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 08-07-2008 10:36 PM:
think i'll look for a tach, anyone want to donate one to the ruddernate foundation. lol i would like to know what my head speed is. i have st 1 pretty mild and st 2 very fast. i'm gonna bump st 1 up a little to make it a little more zippy but not as much as st 2. st 1 right now feels really mushy.what radio do you use? i hovered in normal for a long time. scared to flip the swithch. i'm glad i didn't. atvracer told me it's a good thing i didn't. had my throttle curves off a lot. when i did and the head speed jumped up it was night and day as far as being stable.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-07-2008 10:52 PM:
I'M using Futaba 9CHS. It's a nice radio, MAJOR mixing programs, curves.....not 2.4......yet. The Rex is very stable....I have a 450XL that I coverted to SeV2. When I did That my head speed was tooo slow. (Lawn Dart). I'm re-building slowly, put all the Align goodeis on my HeliMax 450XS. ( red bling ). I want The Hitec Cyclic servos with life saving METAL GEARS. I use Fut S3107's in the Max....always breaking a tooth in the nylon gears. It's only money.....right? But I don't got any! LOL. Soon, now with the Hawk... the Rex just sits there. Got to get that nitro bird going first. keep looking for that tach you'll love it. GULP nose in # 16 tomorrow.

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 08-07-2008 11:18 PM:
my nose in attempt will have to wait till tomorrow as well. we'll bite the bullet together. good luck.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-07-2008 11:19 PM:
YIKES.........you tooo! My Brother

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-08-2008 06:34 PM:
YEAH BABY!!!!!!!! First attempt: OBTW I for got my training gear, nose in.....spooling.....my friends are NOT breathing, and saying WHY? are you crazy? I say "yep ruddernate made me do it", by now Chopper -2 is getting light.....moving to my right.....trying to stop her.......getting about 1/2 ft up.....still moving rt. shut down, and go pick her up and bring her back to starting point. Turn tail in re-spool she needs trimming. try again....nose in....friends still not breathing....."Spooling!".....pop up 1/2 ft......keeping still...slight drift.......1-1/2 ft....2ft.......3 ft....hover five seconds......dritf rt....add left yaw pitch....climb... turn....left hand 90...."flying". friends clapping.........lft 90.....lft.90... full lateral hover...." landing!"......."Passing OUT!!!!". WHEW I did it...........TWICE. Now i have to go to work What an AWESOME hobby R.N. how'd it go 4-U?

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 08-09-2008 02:01 AM:
:eekk , here we go. just gotta let my heart come back down out of my throat.got my lama 4 in today and it distracted me from my nose in on the trex for a while but used it to nose in a lot in the house. fun little heli. so this evening i psyched myself up and went out with the 450. put the training gear on which through the trim off quite a bit which i didn't think about. spun it around and lifted off. was pretty wobbly but i was doing it!!! set her down and spun around tail in and flew out about 40 ft and had her hovering tail in and like a mad man spun her around in the air to nose in(which i had no where near the guts to do before) and hovered some more. i can hover tail in on a dime but wabble nose in. i think because at this point i still have to consciously think about every move. even after all the sim hours. sim hours though are why i still have a bird in one piece tonight. heart was pumping like i was fixing to wrestle a tiger or something. the best part for me was spinning from tail in to nose in and especially from nose in to tail in with a good lean into fff. sweeeeeet! what a rush. good job papa sal. gotta keep up with you guys.
forgot to say got the whole thing on video. i'll try and post a link tomorrow.

hey povern, you still tearing up the sky? how's it going?

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-09-2008 06:12 PM:
Rudder.....YOU my Brother are an amimal!!!! GOOD JOB I have some pics toooo. I'll try to get some in the gallery. NEXT

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 08-09-2008 08:55 PM:
my video stinks. i may go ahead and post but she missed my best moments. like turning into ff and it's not good quality. just means i'll have to do it again. i like watching my vids though i see things i'm not thinking about when i'm nervous. tried again yet papa? how bout you other guys. anyone else working on nose in?

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-09-2008 09:05 PM:
Nooooooo, I WANT MY HAWK nobody understands, like us

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 08-09-2008 09:48 PM:
just break out that mastercard, no problem.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Colin Hoover on 08-09-2008 11:40 PM:
Im now up to about thirty with only a hard landing from an auto gone slighlty wrong and ended up with only a broken skid. Dose that count as a crash??

Just Flip It

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-10-2008 01:13 AM:
ooooooooo, that's gonna need a vote....i say it's a scratch not a crash

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 08-10-2008 02:23 AM:
just a hard landing in my book. still a landing. blades don't touch anything, i'd call it good.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Colin Hoover on 08-11-2008 04:44 AM:
Well that got reset this morning my second flight went realy wrong ether Rx lost power or Rx look out was doing a easy turn and poof it went out of controle flipped upside down i hit throtal hold nothing happend andit slapped that ground and started doing the chicken dance.
the parts to fix.
Main blades
Tail boom
Tail pitch slider
Landing skids
Flybar
Clutch bell
Clutch shoe
Piston ring
Header tank bracket
Fuel tank nippel (from me ripping it off to stop engine)

Posted by Colin Hoover on 08-11-2008 04:49 AM:
Im up to 2 now

Just Flip It

Posted by ruddernate on 08-11-2008 05:42 AM:
sorry about your news helinuts. i told ya we've cursed ourselves.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by rcmadness on 08-11-2008 05:47 AM:
Dirty underwear!
Does brown stripes in your underwear count as a crash??? If so I have had several!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Trex-250-450se-450pro-500esp-600nitro-Predator Gasser

Posted by ruddernate on 08-11-2008 07:33 AM:
we can't count the stripes or i'd never get more than one or two flights in. since i started with helis i only buy brown undies.here's how bad i am. a little pee pee came out. didn't get my best (less terrible) attempts. getting better though.

http://www.youtube.com/nathanpullen

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-11-2008 07:38 PM:
I'm on my way to Wall-E-World for brown undies my self. LOL Good job R.N. Helinuts! Why do you think it was a lock out?

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-12-2008 09:45 PM:
#22........nose-in, tail-in,nose-in, tail-in. GULP....... I think its time to set up idle-1 and start basic stunts....EEEEK Hey everybody..... whereyat?

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 08-12-2008 11:36 PM:
up to #12 nose in , fff, turns. don't be scared of that st mode papa. i was nervous but it's nothing but a thang. nose in my primary focus for now. i notice it's a lot easier making turns ater a few minutes of nose in. nothing but nose in on the sim yesterday. helped tremendously. my wife loves me staring at the screen for an hour at a time. i told her i'm saving us money. gotta get back outside,i'm building my heli shop. i'll post pics soon.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by povern on 08-13-2008 03:22 AM:
Been on vacation for a week, couldn't fly, Still at 10.

Papa Sal, nice job on the nose in,

Rudder Nate, where you at?

povern

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by ruddernate on 08-13-2008 03:36 AM:
welcome back povern. if my last post was a snake it would've bit ya. got a few flights in today with no mishaps. mostly nose in. im working on my heli shop (man cave) so i've just been hovering around the yard on my breaks. want to be pretty comfy nose in before the weekend when i want to get out and really open up one of the 450's. after today i'm at 15.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by rockcrawler on 08-13-2008 06:52 AM:
Haven't crashed "Knock on wood" since I stopped saying things like :
Watch this, I can do that better, Oh I can do that watch this, and realized there is a point where just getting to go fly is as exciting a doing a few 3d moves. Belive me I can do plenty of them
but long brakes between flying just sucks the finesse out of yah and the moves.
I have knoticed this lately and have bought a nice 450 just to atleast hover and do boxes ect in my back yard to keep current.
Nose in tail in boxes are the best.
After 15 years of heli flying a right turn still bugs me where a lefty is automatic, inverted, backwards inverted ect. Still, dam leftys bug me.
Posted by ruddernate on 08-13-2008 07:10 AM:
can't wait to get inverted. trying to get nose in and hopefully soon start in on some nose in boxes. trying to keep it in one peice just doing nose in. never had anything in life take so much concentration and focus. it's like kung fu and i'm the little grasshopper.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-13-2008 06:21 PM:
Heeeee,Heeeee,Haaaaaa, And EeeeHAA. What a blast! didn't try idl-1 yet. still working on my nose-in skillzzz and figure 8's. Wow. i learned that my pitch and throttle curves were just a little off...not bad, but I kept climbing higher and higher. used my VB switch to turn the pitch down a little....Wow it WORKS I started to fly level turns without needing a telescope. #23 and still together. What a hobby, What a RUSH. Welcome back from VACA Povern. How's that man cave commin R.N.?

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 08-15-2008 12:40 AM:

ok see if my pic works. this is the heli shop in progress. i'm going saturday to pick up my new Raptor 50! going NITRO!!! can't wait. probably going to sell one of my 450's to help finance the new raptor. hate to see one go but the raptor should help to ease the pain. got a huge air conditioner for the shop, it's been avg. 105 degrees here lately. can't wait to have my nice cool shop to play with all my toys in. flew on my breaks again today and i'm up to 19 flights. only one close call but no crashes. nose in and brown underwear

fly it like you stole it

Posted by ruddernate on 08-15-2008 12:47 AM:
hey rcmadness. when you coming to OKIE land . let's fly.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Daveyg on 08-15-2008 12:50 AM:
where is sulfer,ok ? I go to Tulsa every now and then to race dirt oval.

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by ruddernate on 08-15-2008 01:09 AM:
when you go through Turner Falls area in Davis, Ok. that's my home town and sulphur is 9 miles east of Davis on hwy. 7. On your way to Tulsa. Do you know Joey Diaz? He's from tulsa area. i'm buying his Raptor 50. I race a little motorcross. got a yz450f.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-15-2008 01:21 AM:
R.N. that looks hot er I mean HOT. B-carful of lock out at that temp. GO nitro....go nitro.....go nitro! You'll love that reptile tooooooo

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 08-15-2008 01:23 AM:
Oh Yeah Baby!!!

fly it like you stole it

Posted by rcmadness on 08-15-2008 03:03 PM:
Ruddernate:
If I had known I would have stopped and flew with you. I am already headed home. Spent the night in Denton, left the wife in the motel room and went to Aero Hobbies yesterday evening. Visited with andy and bought a few parts for my 600. If you have never been to his shop in Levisville you are missing a great place to check out heli stuff. He carries TT,Trex,Hirobo,Gaui, etc.

Did buy a set of CY tail blades in OKC for the 450 and man they are great. Makes the tail hold like a rock.

Catch you guys this evening when I get back home.

Trex-250-450se-450pro-500esp-600nitro-Predator Gasser

Posted by ruddernate on 08-15-2008 03:45 PM:
ive heard about the shop before. never made it down there. i need some start equipment and nitro stuff. may have to check it out. give me a shout next time you're this way.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by povern on 08-15-2008 04:14 PM:
Crash? Judges we need a decision.
For sure worth a brown streak. Think I'm going to paint one pair of underwear on my canopy.

Practising Nose in Landings and Takeoffs. Tipped to far to the side on TAKE OFF, clipped one blade on tar and broke a piece off.

I'm calling it a crash on Take off, without leaving the ground.

Called a crash due to having to replace parts due to contact with he ground.......

I'm at zero.

povern

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-15-2008 05:46 PM:
GRACE, my Brother.......all you replaced is one blade? No main shaft? I see it as a caution only.....gentlemen what say U

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-15-2008 05:51 PM:
We need to find a sticker company that would make underwear stickers for our choppers.....400 to scale size......

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by povern on 08-15-2008 06:16 PM:
Underwear Stickers
Papa Sal,

I think I can help with the stickers, how big should we make each one?

3/8 to 1/2 inch across?

Al I need then is a picture to base them off of....

Hmmmmm, the 'Brown Streak Club': Not good enough to Taco a pack, put we will streak your shorts!

povern

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by ruddernate on 08-15-2008 06:49 PM:
i'm all for the stickers. i'll sport em'
oh , and i'm with papa sal, can't call it a crash if you didn't leave the ground. They've landed 747's with busted wings. if the passengers survive it's all good.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-15-2008 08:10 PM:
PERFECT size. And i voter for the :Brown Streak Club!!!! "B.S.C" Oh YEAH Baby

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-15-2008 08:16 PM:
OH @@#T......yep! LOL

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by povern on 08-15-2008 08:24 PM:
Thoughts?
Too serious?

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-15-2008 09:02 PM:
PERFECT for me....but what about our "boxer buddies"?...this is tooooo kooool 4 school.

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by rcmadness on 08-16-2008 01:41 AM:
I made a little change to the sticker
How about a revamp, this would indicate that another pair bit the dust.

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Posted by povern on 08-16-2008 02:03 AM:
Instead of BS Club, maybe it should be Team BS.

Thoughts?

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by rcmadness on 08-16-2008 04:07 AM:
Personally I believe the logo says it all! No words necessary.

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Posted by ruddernate on 08-16-2008 04:46 AM:
that's too funny.i'm in. whetever help funding you need. i'm so in.i like all the ideas whatever ya'll decide. we'll have to find a neutral point and meet up some day and all fly our helis till someones udees look like our logo. shouldn't take long. hey madness how'd you get past the sweaty palms? did you get past the brown undies too? when we all get together we'll need proof. instead of showing your cards you'll have to show your hanes.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by ruddernate on 08-16-2008 04:50 AM:
i just wanted to say this is the best thread on rr. bunch of guys who don't take things to serious. no attitudes just plain fun. after all it's a hobby. if i want stress i'll go to work. if i want a laugh i'll just look at this thread. those undies are hillarious.

getting the raptor tomorrow. it'll need a sticker.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by rcmadness on 08-16-2008 05:04 AM:
Sweaty Palms
Ruddernate: About 100 batteries through a B400,Trex SA and the V2. My palms quit sweating and I started enjoying flying. I almost quite because I didn't think I would ever learn how to fly the dang things. My biggest problem was learning to fly in the wind, after I got past that I had it whooped.

I still brown streak my underwear on a regular basis, nose in hovering still eats my lunch if I think about it. I will be working on that this weekend if the weather holds.

My 600 still makes me nervous as hell to fly it, that thing can get you in trouble quicker than you can think your way out of it.

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Posted by ruddernate on 08-16-2008 05:29 AM:
there is something about this hobby that has me seriously hooked. i've never been so frustrated and still want to accomplish my goal no matter what. i get very ,very, frustrated at times when i can't pull off the simplest manuever, but i think about the times i couldn't even hover or set up a heli and seen the few light bulbs that have gone off thinking ,"that's what all those guys on rr were trying to say" i love the sense of accomplishment the minor obstacles bring. i also kinda like that noone else around me does this. it's my thing , and i love it. not to say i don't wish more local guys flew i mean my family and friends. i'm the heli guy. i love it when people tease about my toy helicopters and then they see them and i set them in front of the sim and watch them crash, and crash and crash.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by povern on 08-16-2008 07:13 PM:
Pic of my heli
Thought I would post a pic of my heli, notice the canopy, where a chuck is missing, that was a big brown spot!

povern

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by rcmadness on 08-16-2008 07:25 PM:
I like it!
Povern, The sticker looks great.

I will need to get me some sticker paper and make me some. It appears you used clear paper, where did you find it.

Thanks

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Posted by ruddernate on 08-16-2008 07:44 PM:
where's mine. don't have a clue how to make one. someone mail an extra or 3? be glad to pay for your materials for yours and me a few. the raptor i picked up today is definately gonna need one.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-16-2008 08:17 PM:
povern, Team BS all the way! We'll even give one to on lookers....when we streak their shorts, my friends ALWAYS hide under their cars when I fly. Espically when I'm flying too high; stop tail, in desend and back up to the landing area....too fast. R.N. very well said my Brother Count me in on the funds boyzzz

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-16-2008 08:24 PM:
Povern.......CHARTER MEMBER. I just spit all my rootbeer all over my computer screen. THAT IS WAY-2-FUNNY that's a five laugh-E face Bro! Good JOB!

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by rcmadness on 08-16-2008 08:41 PM:
Ruddernate
When do you get your Raptor?

Specs?
Pics?
What TX and RX?

Come on man, we need info, some of us cannot afford a heli right now so we need you to share the excitement of a new heli!!!!

I have two kids going off to college this fall so I am on a heli diet right now and I am friggin starving

It has been raining in West Texas all day so I had a little time to build skid protectors for my 600. I attached a photo, tell me what you think. They slide on concrete really well and the grass should do well. I made them from a plastic cutting board.

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Posted by Papa Sal on 08-16-2008 09:06 PM:
RCM...is your 600 an "E" or an "N"? I agree we need FEEEEEDDD-BBBAAACCKKK. Soon i'll figure out how to down load pics too. good job on those skids Bro.

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 08-16-2008 09:17 PM:
i'm waiting on my pics to clear rr i'll have them up soon. got the raptor right in front of me. whole new ballgame to the 450's. actually let me hover it a little this morning when i bought it. here goes,

i'll be using my trusty Dx7 tx
AR 7000 rx
Futaba 401
Futaba S9253 on the tail
JR NEH-531 (upgrade when i get better)no need for now.ail.,ele.,etc.
Killer Calle Graphix
Fresh set of Fruit of the Looms

so much more stable than i'm used to but the size makes up for the pucker factor. this thing is Awesome.Just ordered the rx and a field box nitro setup. waiting on feild equipment for now. i'll get curves and setup done in the meantime and have her ready when everything comes in. can't wait. getting one of my 450's in tip top right now to sell here on rr. gotta fund this new beast.came with a JR XP652tx and a jr r770S rx but it's going up for sale as well. want to stay 2.4 i love my Spektrum.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by rcmadness on 08-16-2008 09:20 PM:
Its the Nitro Sport, Sometimes I wish it was the E version but I do like the smell of nitro. The thing that kills the E for me is the battery cost. I did looked at a 500 this week and as soon as I find some "disposable" funds I will make the buy. (kinda sounds like a drug deal)

Ruddernate: Congratulation on your new heli.

Just a thought, I use a cordless drill with a starter shaft in it to start my 600. Its cheap,cordless,handy,multipurpose and easy to carry and use. I also use the clutch on the drill to make sure I do not tear anything up if the nitro hydralocks.

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Posted by Papa Sal on 08-16-2008 09:53 PM:
RCM, what a GREAT Idea! does the drill turn fast enough? I LOVE T-REX 600n's my friend Charlie's flies great! I WANT MY HAWK ready Almost there. I might rape my 450XS just to go nitro. It IS a drug Ruddernate. CONGRATS!!!!! go getem Bro. OBTW hover= #1? How's those new tiddy whitties?

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 08-16-2008 10:11 PM:
they fit nice and snug. leg support too if i need to run from the heli. i thought about the drill but didn't think it would spin fast enough. i may give it a try. need to do some setup first. don't know why my pics are taking so long. should be up soon.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by rcmadness on 08-16-2008 11:25 PM:
The drill is fast enough on my OS 50 Hyper. It cranks it everytime without issue. The cool thing is that you can throw the drill down in the dirt and you don't have to worry about cords or special charging. One minute is running screws on a project and soon as the wife goes back in the house it is starting my heli.

As for Trex 600's being great, I really like mine, it fly's well and is easy to maintain. The only reason I went with the Trex was the parts availibility at the hobby shops I visit. I travel three weeks out of each month and all the hobby shops in the areas I go are Align vendors so it makes it easy to pick up parts instead of having to order everything.

If or when I buy another new nitro it will probably be the Vibe 50, I understand that it tracks better in FFF than the TRex and I have always wanted a JR heli.

As soon as Ruddernate gives us a flight report I may have to pick up a used Raptor just to say I have one. They have spent too many years dominating the hobby not to be a great heli.

Just a note: The only heli I have ever owned that I did not like was the friggin Axe Cp. It was my first and nearly my last. I have even considered buying another one just to see if I could fly it now that I know I can pilot most anything else.

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Posted by Papa Sal on 08-16-2008 11:45 PM:
Yeah my little Axe SITS proudly next to my HeliMAx 450XS. It's my first also......boy I went through a lot of brown shorts, on that one going to give it to my Granddaughter ( if she losses her 11yr old attitude). But I did solo on it The Raptor 50 is my favorite sim flyer......I can invert hover. NO i won't try it on my 450XS....yet. OBTW # 30 and havin fun. Need T.B.S. decals though. I think I need to fly twice or more per day like you SENIOR helimen.LOL And yes we are having fun now.

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-16-2008 11:51 PM:
Hey RCM, it just dawned on me......does your wife know about her cutting board? I'M TELLIN

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by rcmadness on 08-17-2008 12:00 AM:
What is typed on RR stays on RR Papa Sal!!!!

Just came back in from running two bats through my 450 (it stopped rainng for a little while) and I finally did a loop and three more to match it. I defeinatly need a sticker, well make that 4 and my undies are shot and my knees are still clacking together.

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Posted by ruddernate on 08-17-2008 12:05 AM:
pics still aren't up but as for a flight report, like i said i hovered it a little this morning picking it up with his radio and i actually took my thumbs off for a few seconds. one reason was my thumbs were shaking so bad but it stayed solid as a rock. besides the awesome looks of the raptor my friend has a couple and i studied them and it was my personal favorite. just looks mean and flys true. the vibe is probably my other favorite as far as looks. looks like it's on rails too. i'm out in the shop trying to finish off the complete se conversion on my 1st 450 so i can sell it. someone's going to get a nice little bird out of her. my first heli with any kind of gyro was an exceed eagle 50. it's a walkera 22e knock off and i crashed it and crashed it and crashed it and almost threw it away. still can't get it to fly well but i haven't got to mess with it for awhile. i'm almost finished going through it completely since i know how to set one up now. always love your first heli. you won't be disappointed owning a raptor. where's those stickers?

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-17-2008 12:23 AM:
R.n your're not flyin with an FMA are ya? Thumbs off the stick indeeeed! Who do you think you are Alan Sabo?.....JR? rrrriiiigggghhhht.

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 08-17-2008 12:32 AM:
no FMA. just hovers herself, and when she moved after a few seconds it was slow and easy. not like my 450's which jump like a scared cat if you don't keep your thumbs on em'. i got it from Joey Diaz off rr. you can do a search and go in his gallery and look at the raptor 50 V2 that he has before and after pics on. It's neon green and orange. he had it setup very nice. very clean . he said he needed to finance a yak. go figure papa , but he said it was his trusty. he restores ole helis and brought a heli boy to show off he thought i'd get a kick out of. nice work. he treats his heli's right. i talked him down a bit but after i saw it and met him i gave him full price. great guy. we're going to try and go to a fun fly here in Oklahoma together in october. he said he'd be missing his heli pretty bad by then.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-17-2008 12:45 AM:
you gotta LOVE stability. My friends Brother has a Hawk and let me fly her...........I WANT MY HAWK. he had an FMA on his...boy that was stable! He tried to do a tail stall and the darn thing just stayed level, wouldn't pull the nose up at all. We're trying to ween him off that thing. It works great. He has anew t-rex 700 with an OS 70. Flies wonderful, but talk about knocking knees,whew, It does not have the FMA and we already bought him stock in fruit-o-the loom. Enjoy that beauty my Brother!

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by rcmadness on 08-17-2008 02:00 AM:
Is this the one Ruddernate? If she is she is slick. What makes the tail boom orange,paint,viynl,stock? I like the color scheme and specially the visibility.

By the way if you guys do a funfly in OKlahoma in October I sure would like to know about it if you guys didn't mind a transplanted Okie/Texan attending. Exspecially if it is in southern Oklahoma.

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Posted by ruddernate on 08-17-2008 02:09 AM:
that's my new baby. it's a Calle Graphix kit. he said the graphix have been on a couple years and still not a nick or wrinkle in em'. she's clean close up too. it's been baby'd. i think i'm in love.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by ruddernate on 08-17-2008 02:11 AM:
that'd be awesome. the fun fly is in Bartlesville. so it's not really southern oklahoma. but i live in southern ok. you can ride with me from here if you like.

http://www.runryder.com/t451174p1/
this is the link to the ad on my heli for a little more info.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by rcmadness on 08-17-2008 02:23 AM:
Let me know if the funfly happens. I could come a little early and stay at my folks house in Ardmore. Maybe we could do a little backyard flying before the fun fly. Just let me know when and I will see if I can get it worked into my schedule.

What about you Papa Sal, you up for an Oklahoma funfly? The green bushy things are called trees, they don't look like your pine trees. If you are lucky you might even learn what a chigger is or a tick.

Just giving you a hard time, I lived in California for 3yrs 8months 29days 8hrs 29min.

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Posted by ruddernate on 08-17-2008 02:29 AM:
ya'll wanna see chiggers come on up. we even have some people that don't drive like a bat outa hell everywhere they go. the airport is a couple blocks from my house. we could do some flying there and my buddy would probably bring his vibe 90 or 600N or raptor or, oh he^& i could go on all day, he may come fly too. bring your hanes and your nikes and just do it. we'd triple the heli owner population of this county for a day.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by ruddernate on 08-17-2008 09:35 PM:
here ya go guys. i'm the ugly one on the right holding my new baby. i let her sleep with me last night. JK , dying to play with her but waiting on equipment.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by rcmadness on 08-17-2008 10:34 PM:
Looks great, she looks like she is ready to fly.

Is this your first nitro?

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Posted by ruddernate on 08-17-2008 10:40 PM:
my first nitro. i thought i'd always stay electric, but i couldn't restist a larger bird. Love the looks of the raptors and also longer flight times was a big factor. i feel like i'm starting all over again.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by povern on 08-17-2008 10:59 PM:
OK guys, important stuff first 12 flights, to windy to get out today, that sucks.

OK Other items:

If you PM me your e-mail I will send you a PDF of the Team BS stickers, then you just have to find the sticker material, and print them out. This PDF will have a bunch of small ones, some medium and a couple large ones for your case / flight box. If you want a specific size or something let me know and I can change them real easy.

If you have Visio (Microsoft), I will send you the VSD so you can Dr it up any way you want.

If anyone wants I can send you some, already printed, no charge to Charter Members, just PM me your address.

Hey BTW: What Sims are you using, maybe we could fly together that way. I can see it now Team BS the first long distance Heli Club.

povern

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by ruddernate on 08-17-2008 11:03 PM:
pm'd ya.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by povern on 08-17-2008 11:16 PM:
Let the Jealousy Begin
http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=88985

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-17-2008 11:50 PM:
R.N She is Beautiful!!!! U- on the otherhand......ok handsome. I would LOVE to come to OK. We're having a little hard times right now.....but O.K. I'm going to say it God is faithful and we will get out of our slump. My beautiful wife's CO. went out of biz two Mo. ago and it's been a little tough.......but things are going to change. MY personal e-mail address is= bornagaingrays@att.net I love this thread and I can tell ya tha Team B.S. will never die! OBTW HELI'S RULE

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 08-18-2008 12:06 AM:
hard times is the state of the nation. i feel your pain. my home burned to the ground a year ago and we're still trying to get on our feet. 5 kids and the dog that makes 8 mouths to feed. gotta have faith bro. Team BS.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-18-2008 12:10 AM:
It's folks like us that keep the Nation going, but it Brothers like you that give ENCOURGEMENT meaning. Thank

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 08-18-2008 12:15 AM:
I've had to start over in life from scratch 3 times. when my home burned after i wallowed in pity for a day i thought, i've done this before i can do it again. others have it worse. when you're down it's just an opportunity to build up something new. kind of like crashing a heli. when you crash just think of all the new bling you can add when you rebuild. hang in there it'll get better.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by rcmadness on 08-18-2008 01:48 AM:
Papa Sal- A good friend once told me just keep on workin, it will all work out in the end. That is what I have always done and it has worked out for me.

Well I gotta go back to the shop, my new Mavrikk Carbons are given me fits. The bird shakes like its having withdraws and I need to fly it again before it gets dark.

well I am back in the house for tonight, these dang carbon blades are driving me nuts. I hate making major changes to my 600,evertime I do I spend a week trying to tune it back to fly.

Check back later.

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Posted by ruddernate on 08-18-2008 03:59 AM:
are they radix blades? if they are they're the only ones i can get to track well. i hovered nose in pretty comfortable tonight a lot. after getting my raptor i don't think the 450 scares me as bad. weird but my confidence has gone up a lot at once. i even started playing with my eagle 50 (my $100 walkera knock off) and i actually got it flying pretty well. i'll have a vid in a little while. i was nervous when she turned the camera on but not near as bad as usual. so my flying confidence and setup confidence are slowly coming up.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by rcmadness on 08-18-2008 04:12 AM:
Sounds great ruddernate, I was the same way after getting the 600. I started pushing things more after I had hovered the big bird. The down side is that your confindence will drop when you put the big bird in the air. It to shall pass.

My carbon blades are Mavrikks, I found out you have to track them with a pitch guage since they are so stiff. I did that and things started looking up. I will try it again tomorrow in the daylight.

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Posted by ruddernate on 08-18-2008 04:34 AM:
sounds good madness. i think just getting the balls to try things is more than half the battle. when i do it's a lot easier the next time. i found myself thinking this isn't as hard as i thought when doing nose in. another big part is i got her farther away and higher and my thumbs are starting not to shake as bad. flight #27 tonight. check out this pic i found in a member's gallery guys. thought it was funny. the title was "my neighbor trys to fly my eraptor"

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-18-2008 08:01 PM:
That's gonna leave a mark! Thanks for the kind words bouyszzz

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 08-19-2008 03:09 AM:
ok i've broken my old record. 33 flights now. anyone starting loops or rolls?

fly it like you stole it

Posted by rcmadness on 08-19-2008 03:32 AM:
I started doing loops this past weekend. I need a few of them stickers and some new underwear. Just take it to a high altitude and pull back on the stick. You do not have to give it a lot of throttle just pull all the way back on the cyclic. Matter of fact it gets tighter if you back off or give in negative collective when she starts over on her back. Be prepared for the blades making a different noise.

As soon as I get comfortable I plan to practice turning these into back flips.

Are you flying in idle up or idle up 2 yet?

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Posted by ruddernate on 08-19-2008 03:38 AM:
yeah i've been flying in 1 and 2 for a while now. i do loops and flips on the sim and can't imagine doing them without the negative on the top, but i had a guy tell me once just to get going forward and pull back on the cyclic. i asked if he gave negative and he said no. on the sim though i have to be very very high to make that work. i think when i try it i'll give the negative out of habit. guess it just tightens up the loop which would give more time for recovery if something goes wrong. that's my twisted logic anyways.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by rcmadness on 08-19-2008 04:02 AM:
After I got a few under my belt I started giving it a little left rudder,throttle and right cyclic when it comes up the back side of the loop. The result is a really hard left banking turn the brings the heli right at you. It is pretty cool, just be prepared it will be moving at a pretty fast pace. Don't forget altitude, it seems to be pretty important, I nearly clipped a steel pipe fence about when I thought I had it down. (Oh don't forget to loop it into the wind!!!!!) I did one down wind and the loop was a whole lot bigger.

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Posted by Papa Sal on 08-19-2008 09:18 PM:
All right you TWO.....cool it. I'm still doin nose-ins If I try a loop we'll all need a defibrillator

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 08-19-2008 09:21 PM:
i haven't actually pulled a loop yet, but i'm not sure how much longer i can wait. there's so many times i feel my thumbs wanting to do it but i hold back. my thumbs are itching to get her upside down.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-19-2008 09:52 PM:
CLEAR!......BZZzzzzzzzz.

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by povern on 08-19-2008 11:15 PM:
aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh a roll or flip......

Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep.

(unplug)

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-20-2008 12:00 AM:
no you didn't???????crash???

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by povern on 08-20-2008 02:17 AM:
Nope, just thinking about RN flips and Rolls.....

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by ruddernate on 08-20-2008 02:22 AM:
i did some flips today. no problem..

on the sim.

hey povern is your bird flying yet?

oh yeah is anyone going to the Southern Rotary Classic in Mt. Pleasant, Tx.? This one wouldn't be that far for me. may try and make it. Youngblood, Szabo, Krause, gonna have to make it. What about a team bs meeting.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by povern on 08-20-2008 04:42 PM:
Nope, can't make TX, OK is just a little too far for me....

Flips on the SIM, turn the physics to 150, try a flip then fire up the heli to do it for real.....

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by ruddernate on 08-20-2008 04:59 PM:
will do. raining here for 5 days in a row. sim is all i have at the moment. that's not always a bad thing though.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-20-2008 05:15 PM:
I like my sim not raining here just my good friends: Frick-N-Windy. Turn up the wind gust on you sim too. Put a jar by the computer and just keep filling it with dollars every time you crash your sim bird, and then it won't be so bad on yor visa card later.

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 08-20-2008 05:20 PM:
good idea. hey papa aren't you supposed to be working? better get those harley's rented and pay for those helis. that hawk is counting on you.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-20-2008 06:32 PM:
VERY FUNNY young man Yes I'm working, how ever I am trying to figure out how to get Team B.S stickers on my sim birds! Work is way over rated.......or It's good to be the boss. LOL

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 08-20-2008 07:20 PM:
what sim do you use guys? and what do you think about it? i use Clearview and i like it but i don't think you can fly with others online. if you can i don't know how yet.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-20-2008 08:19 PM:
YES Clearview, it's the BEST 40 bucks I have spent And yes life time up-grades, and you can fly with friends......me neither on how to do that.....but we can e-mail Stefan @ clearview and he can help. Hey Povren how about -U?

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 08-20-2008 08:54 PM:
cool papa sall i'll see what i can find out.

ok i looked at the clearview page on setting up internet play and ended up confused. i can't find on my computer how to change my start up programs. there's a help page that i'll look at and see if i can figure it out. it's kind of a pain. if your like me and don't know what you're doing anyway. if we can figure it out that would be awesome. i have a friend that owns a computer repair shop here in town and i'll see if i can get some of this put in lamens terms.hopefully i'll find us some help unless one of you guys are savvy enough to walk a moron like me through the process.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-20-2008 09:53 PM:
don't say moron....you can do flips.......even if it's on the sim only. My jar is almost full I 'll look at my menu tomorrow morning. See if I can understand it. NOT

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by rcmadness on 08-21-2008 04:27 AM:
Hi guys, I have been gone for a few days. Glad to see you all doing well. You guys are killing me on the loops, I was the same way and after I did my first one I could not believe how easy they were.
Here are your steps to doing a loop
1 Just get some altitude
2 give it a little throttle
3 pull all the way back on the stick
4 keep it there until it comes back around right side up.
5 Then fly it back to where you are standing set it down,
6 shut it down,
7 lay down your transmitter
8 Now have your heart attack!!

Now I am back to working on my 600. That dang heli is going to be the end of me. I have a stinken high speed vibration that is killing me. At idle up my verticle tail fin is moving 3/4 inch in each direction.

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Posted by ruddernate on 08-21-2008 05:06 AM:
sounds like more than a little vibration. hope you find the issue without to much trouble. cause from your last crash? i bet you're right on the loop being easy. once again it's that mental thing. we'll see this weekend. you going to the southern rotary classic?

fly it like you stole it

Posted by rcmadness on 08-21-2008 05:44 AM:
I don't know what its problem is. I have done everything but replace the main shaft and that will be tomorrow evenings task.
The killer deal is that it has never been in any kind of crash or even a hard landing. I put it together right out of the box and the only close call it has ever had was an emergency auto when the engine died and I had never performed an auto before, not even on the sim. I managed to bring it in unscathed. Can't say the same about that particular pair of underware though!

I will have to do some checking on the souther classic funfly. I may be in Wyoming the week before and/or after.

I am telling you honestly the loop was real easy and you are right it is just a mental thing.

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Posted by ruddernate on 08-21-2008 06:24 AM:
i'm going to go for it saturday with my 450. i think i'll use it for the test bird now that i have the raptor. on a side note i ordered a flybar locking tool today that also serves as swash leveler, from ron's heli proz south today. has anyone used this yet?looks very useful. you should see some of the things i've used to level my flybar. i love tools. good luck with the 600. the first thing i thought of when you said how bad the vibration was , was the main shaft. hope that gets her lined out. beat that bird into submission man. oh just got my hobbico field box and fuel and starter setup. gott get that all figured out. check out the new pix , povern you're officially the man

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Posted by rcmadness on 08-21-2008 09:46 PM:
I saw the swash leveling tool the other day on Ron's site. It is a cool tool, I just order a set of Radix Blades so I will have to wait a while before my funds come back in check before I get a new tool. Besides I am also a hobby machinest and I already have a lot of set up tools that will work. They just don't have the cool factor.

Your heli looks great by the way.

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Posted by Papa Sal on 08-21-2008 09:57 PM:
rcm...are you runnin a torque tube on your 600? Bad baring maybe? I'm just guessing.

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by rcmadness on 08-21-2008 11:51 PM:
Na, I have the 600n Sport that runs a belt. I actually found the problem about 1 hour ago and I need another BS sticker. Evedently when I built the heli about 5 months ago and evedently I built it with an out of spec main shaft. I could not imagine having a bent main shaft since I hadn't crashed it or even done 3d. I finally broke down and removed the shaft and miked it with it in my lathe and it was out .005 in both directions from center. Doesn't sound like much but at 2000 RPM it was enough to cause a lot of vibration. I had a new package of shafts and miked them and 1 was .003 and the other was .001. I stuck the best one in and she is as smooth as silk now.

I am learning on these things that you just have keep looking and checking things that you would not expect.

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Posted by Papa Sal on 08-21-2008 11:58 PM:
good job Bro! With your lathe can you fix the bad ones? Or does that screw up the inner baring dimensions?

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by rcmadness on 08-22-2008 12:01 AM:
They are too cheap to buy much less spend hours trying to sraighten one. You have to bend (cannot turn it down) it back and then you risk causing a flat spot on the shaft.

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Posted by Papa Sal on 08-22-2008 12:13 AM:
Yeah you're right. I know with my 450 rex you get three per pkg

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by rcmadness on 08-22-2008 12:54 AM:
Well %&$@#!!!!!! Went out to put a tank through it and it started it again. For the record vibration suck!!!! big time.

Oh well I will stay at it.

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Posted by Papa Sal on 08-22-2008 01:16 AM:
Check rudder linkage then, I just read another threa that said everything "looked" good until he diconected from rudder servo. the push rod had a little bend it and it was sticking in one of the boom mounts.

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by Daveyg on 08-22-2008 04:39 AM:
well I finaly took the training gear off my blade 400 hovered it thru 2 battery packs no runs,no hits, no errors I need to learn to blink while hovering tho, my eyes hurt

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by ruddernate on 08-22-2008 04:42 AM:
probably stupid question but have you balanced the head and each blade? what kind of blades were you using today? good luck man i hate those hard to find issues that lead you on wild goose chases. did it only start doing the shaking when you put the team bs sticker on. if so i better yank em' good luck man
are your blades tracking well?

fly it like you stole it

Posted by rcmadness on 08-22-2008 04:48 AM:
Eventually you will blink.
Daveyg- Why do you think everyone wears sunglasses in this hobby. Nobody blinks, if you do it wil cost you money.

Congrats on losing the training gear, flys a little lighter doesn't it. I remember the first time I took off my gear on my 400, I was a nervous wreck.

RCMadness

Update for everyone else on the 600, I had a local guy help me out this evening via phone. He suggested ritchening the mix and decreasing the gyro rate. I did and test flew it under the security light. Guess what, it seems to have fixed my problem. I cannot fricken believe it was that simple or that the gyro could cause it to shake that bad. I will test fly it again tomorrow and see if it still behaves.

Ruddernate: Yep, I did all those thing several times, that was what had me stumped. After it was pointed out about how the gyro reacts to higher head speeds then it all made sense.

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Posted by ruddernate on 08-22-2008 04:53 AM:
sounds like you found the goose. gyro shake usually looks different than something like an engine vibration or main shaft. surprising to hear. i'll try and remember that for future reference.good luck.
good job dave on the training gear. that was something i felt silly for leaving them on so long . so much smoother now huh.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Daveyg on 08-22-2008 03:43 PM:
yeah it's alot smoother, but now that I can hover should I try FF or try to hover in idle up mode ?

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by povern on 08-22-2008 03:58 PM:
Now that you can hover, put the gear on an perfect nose in, trust me in when you piro around fro nose in, you will start learning some FF, not by choice though.

Once you get Nose in, then side in and FF comes pretty quick.

povern

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
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vControl and Neo

Posted by ruddernate on 08-22-2008 04:38 PM:
i agree. nose in has helped me the most. if you perfect that then almost all orientations are much more comfortable. getting the guts to spin her around to face you , the first time will get that adrenaline pumpin'

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Daveyg on 08-22-2008 04:58 PM:
I can do side ways just not nose in yet, last time I tried nose-in it cost me a set of blades from a ill placed card table,and a set of underware

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by ruddernate on 08-22-2008 05:01 PM:
make sure you have plenty room. if you're like me you'll need it. when i finally got comfy with nose in is when i got about 40' up (2 mistakes high) and went for it. if she gets wabbly just spin her back around. also i did nothing but nose in on the sim for a few days first. you'll get her. have fun.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-22-2008 08:57 PM:
O.K gents........#30 Take off tail in and do a little trimmin, rotate rt.....start my routine...higher, lft 90deg.....left 90 deg, lft 90 deg....nose in 40ft. shaking in my boots.....heli steady....lower collective/ throttle.....here she comes.....commin down......10ft.....I CAN'T BREATHE!!!!......turn rt and bail out.... flying circuits till I chill.....Batt. done land....Pass out.(NOT) but my palms are wringging wet have to wipe off the TX. That was a three sticker flight. Second flight.......#31 Same routine...calmer though...haven't flown all week.....nose in....good.....dropper 'er down....right in front of me.......WOW what a RUSH. rotate out flying circuits, start flying large circles...figure eights...O.K. then all of a sudden A BIRD starts diving at Chopper -2 What IS GOING ON???? I yell "Landing"!!!! almost auto down to get out of the way of this crazy bird.......landed lateral hover. I never had anything like that happen before......BUT heli LIVESAND heli's RULE. (that's my story and I'n sticken to it) I have witnesses.

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 08-22-2008 09:05 PM:
sounds good papa. heard a lot of stories of birds doing this. never had it happen though. he gets a taste of those blades you can stuff a pillow with him.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-22-2008 09:12 PM:
Boy I would love a video of that! POOOOOOF. LOL

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by rcmadness on 08-22-2008 10:24 PM:
Funny you say that,last week end I had about 6 starlings chasing my 450. I didn't realise what was going on for a little while, it scared me at first and then I chased them for a little bit. I ran out of battery and I changed batteries and put it back in the air but they did not come back around again.

I would like to see them come at my 600 or Ruddernates nitro. That would be pretty wild, I don't believe a small bird would do much damage.

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Posted by ruddernate on 08-22-2008 10:36 PM:
i don't think the heli would even know they'd been there. the bird would definately loose. love to see some vid of that happening myself. peta would love that .

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-22-2008 10:57 PM:
Starling, That's what it was! I couldn't think what kind of bird that it was. Sure was Fast! Thanks RCM Hmmmmmm I wonder what's up with the starling population??? Oh well it sure was a atleast a two sticker experience!

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by rcmadness on 08-22-2008 11:09 PM:
Yep,little black bird with a v wing and very short tail. The really cool thing was how good I flew when I was chasing them around. I quit thinking and started flying. I couldn't turn in forward flight as quick as the could but If I could guess which direction he was going I could bank over hammer the trottle and cut them off.

I don't believe starlings like anything that flies, the chase hawks,crows,sparrows and basically anything that they run across. Hovering in one spot really seems to piss them off also.

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Posted by Papa Sal on 08-22-2008 11:14 PM:
IIIIIZZZZZ hates starlings. V winged little #$%tards!

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by rcmadness on 08-23-2008 02:40 PM:
Flying first thing in the morning is not for me.
Well I tried to fly early this morning while it was cool and very little wind. have you ever lifted off started flying and realized that you weren't in the grove, I couldn't fly for s$%t, my heli was all over the place and it just looked pathetic. I did a couple of loops and tried something new that I have been working on the sim and now I need new underwear again.

I finally decided to land it and go find a cup of coffee, maybe that will make the difference.

By the way on my sim you can come into a solid hover,pull back on the cycle all the way and it will do a slow flip and drop just a few feet. In real life it drops a whole hell of a lot further than a few feet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As always altitude saved my bacon.

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Posted by ruddernate on 08-23-2008 02:51 PM:
i wondered about altitude loss on the sim. i wonder if throttle curves can help with this. i want to get real used to the raptor before i do flips with it because i'm used to the electric power delivery. a whole new world. i guess your vibration was gone since you were focused on new maneuvers.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-23-2008 06:26 PM:
Rcm...What's your pitch = top to bottom + -? I understand that it should be as much as possible without binding your linkages. Some times i have read that neg pitch dosen't need to be as much......I don't think I agree with that. And even though you flew when it was cool you had heavier air to fly in. Air it's a problem up here at 4500 ft MSL. or higher when it gets hotter the air get thinner and we get into trouble FAST. Tha mains are gasping for the grab as you heart sinks. And even though you need new shorts......you don't need a new heli great job Bro. Ruddernate: do you use your TX for your sim? I do, and your right you can play with all your curves enabled And just like me you can REALLY screw up the controls on clearview. BUT all you need to do is write down the stock defaults before you play with every thing. I had my T-rex 450xl ( on sim ) so bad that all you had to do was look ad your sticks and you were inverted. Ahhhhhhh RESET

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 08-23-2008 07:16 PM:
i use a different tx for the sim just because i store my main tx in the shop. on clearview under advanced settings you can just click on the line that says restore defaults which i have to do everytime i change something. i tried turning physics to 150 and nothing worked after that. have to play around with it more. my default physics number is 1.0 and i changed it to 2 and cant get off the ground at full throttle. at 150 it acted like i had unplugged my tx.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-23-2008 07:40 PM:
Hmmmmm???? Also I have'nt upgraded yet either. My computer is using a 96mb video card......we have our eyes on one at wal-e-world, that one has the 128mb vid card. So i can only use "Hidden Mountain" to fly right now, any think else and my comp. just stops.....and i crash Soon, gotta get Hawk ready....almost there

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by rcmadness on 08-23-2008 08:05 PM:
My flight this morning was on my 450.
Papa Sal- I run +10 to -10 on all my helis. I don't need -14 for the way I fly so I choose not to push it. I see where a lot of folks run a 14/-14 set up and I originally set mine up that way. Then I found out that I get binding on cyclic when you run it that hot.
All of my pitch curver are the same for 1/2 stick up. Normal mode goes down to a -3, Idle up 1 goes to a -6 and Idle up 2 goes to -10.

I keep the upper half of all the pitch ranges the same so when I switch in the air the heli doesn't jump or fall. I learned that one the hard way.

As far as sims go have you tried this one. It is absolutly free and is designed only for 450 heli simulation. It is only one meg and does not load my computer vid card up at all.
Here is the link. (By the way I have clearview also and I like this one better.)

[url=http://www.marksfiles.net/HeliSimRC/index.htm]

http://www.marksfiles.net/HeliSimRC/index.htm

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Posted by Papa Sal on 08-23-2008 09:11 PM:
THANKS Rcm!!! I can't wait to get home and try it! the only other thing I can think of about your "close call" this morning is....gravity SUCKS I couldn't believe how heavy the Hawk is. I'm thinking to do a ECCPM upgrade just to put her on a diet! I bet I can save 20lbs! JK I'm with you on not "maxing out" my helis, I think they'll last longer before re-build. Any "Straling" issues this morning? That was weird! Next time I'll take your advice and chase him back!!! Even if it cost me another sticker. LOL

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by rcmadness on 08-23-2008 09:33 PM:
Two more battery packs behind me.
I just came back in from flying the 450 for two packs worth. No starlings today but I am waiting for them. I still cannot get in the groove today. I did a couple of loops again without incident but still I was real nervous again. Last weekend I felt like an up and coming rc pilot. This weekend I feel like a less than 10 pack newbie. Go figure, I may do a little sim time and see if I can work the kinks out.If not there is always tomorrow.

I guess it is like anything else, some days are good and some aren't so good.

Good luck with the Hawk, I have heard they are great helis and tougher than a boot.

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Posted by Papa Sal on 08-23-2008 09:49 PM:
Blink, breathe, blink, deep breath. Yeah some days are better than others. Yesterdays flights were good for me.......I wonder if it was due to the fact that I hadn't flown all week????? Hmmmmmm.

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by rcmadness on 08-24-2008 01:09 AM:
Doing better this evening.
Well I drank a rum and coke, took a nap and flew the sim a little so I tried my hand at flying the 600n. The tail shake is now fixed so I fired that big mother up (it hot started on me)and took it out for a spin.
I did a few high speed passes and 5 loops. Ruddernate: The loops are easier on the nito than on the 450 just make sure you have altitude. I didn't try any negative pitch in the inverted side of the loop. I just keep the cyclic all the way back an the throttle all the way up.

I didn't even get nervous until the fourth loop and I came a little closer the the ground than I had planned. I did the fifth loop just to "Get back on the horse" so to speak.

By the way Papa Sal one of your favorite little birds came buzzing through but he decided he didn't want any of the 600. He just kept on flyin.

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Posted by RobMcQuillen on 08-24-2008 01:34 AM:
i put in 11 flights in one day with only one crash into a tree/brush.
only blades tho. so i was back up in 10 min.

Rob McQuillen

Posted by ruddernate on 08-24-2008 03:22 AM:
helisimRC was the second sim i tried. i still have it but after i fly on it for 30 seconds or so it locks up for some reason. i even donated to mark but haven't used it in a long time. the raptor flew tonight. flys awesome. just did some hovering testing everything out. my friend who is the only guy in a 100 mile radius that flys helis helped me out big time tonight. we spent all afternoon setting up radio and heli then i gave her a whirl. only flew for a minute but wow! My rx battery didn't do to well on testing it. it may be almost shot so i'm taking advice as to what to get. using the AR7000rx. also i'd like to say something about the value of a mentor. atvracer on rr is my local friend. i live 1 1/2hr away from a hobby shop. i'm waiting on my rx in the mail and he says he has one nib that i could have and just give him mine when it comes in. also i needed fuel. he said no problem, take a gallon of my coolpower30% and replace it when you get the chance. then he walked me through an entire heli setup process. i've been flying electric so this was much needed. i learned so much in one visit. i can't thank him enough and i can't stress enough how important it is to have help like this. rr is awesome but hands on explanations and real time q&a is priceless. thanx atvracer if you're listening. i owe you a big steak dinner bro.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by rcmadness on 08-24-2008 05:22 AM:
Sounds like you had a great day ruddernate. I am glad you had someone on hand to help you out. You are right about having hands on assistance vs what you read, there is a big diffference.

Thumbs up to atvracer for helping out.

If you are looking for a reciever pack that lasts many flights the Fromeco works really well. I bought one right after I bought the 600 and I dearly love that batter pack. It appears that you can easily get 10 flights out of a charge or maybe 12 if you are taking it easy.

They are expensive ($80 or more) but to me it was worth it.
Fromeco 5200 mah battery, I charge mine on a simple 3 cell lipo charger.

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Posted by ruddernate on 08-24-2008 04:44 PM:
cool thanx. i was looking at some jr batteries but i'll check these out. the battery i have is working but under a load it was barely 4.6v which i guess is the minimum. this was freshly charged. he said it may just need to be cycled a few times. i don't fully understand what that means but for now the battery worries me. also i can't describe the difference when the raptor's off the ground compared to my small helis. it's night and day. i just smiled the entire 5 mile trip home. what a feeling. you hear about larger is more stable, but this couldn't be fully appreciated until i grabbed the sticks and nervously spooled up. got her off the ground expecting to be ready with all my corrections and they just weren't necessary. hovering won't be fun for long because there's nothing to it. practicing perfect hovering, nose and tail in, with the 450's can wear you out mentally but this thing is gravy to hover. sweet, lovin' it.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by povern on 08-24-2008 05:34 PM:
Ruddernate,

Looking back....

Physics at 150!?!?!?!?! That means the machine is moving 1.5 times the speed of the real world, start at 110 115, and move up from there.........

povern

Where is everyone at, I got 18.

povern

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
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vControl and Neo

Posted by ruddernate on 08-24-2008 05:41 PM:
#37

fly it like you stole it

Posted by rcmadness on 08-24-2008 08:13 PM:
he said it may just need to be cycled a few times. i don't fully understand what that means but for now the battery worries me.
It just means to charge, discharge, recharge several times and the process can sometimes build up the capacity of the battery. If you are concerned with the pack,like you said just replace it. If you stick with nicad you may want to buy two or three so you can fly all day.

One more thing the Fromeco battery I suggested requires a volatage regulator on the heli to manage the power. With a regular you can run 6 volts on you servos but you will need 5.4 (requires a step down risistor) on your gyro and tail servo if it is digital.

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Posted by povern on 08-24-2008 09:02 PM:
So 15 years ago I gave this hobby a shot, quit after 6 month, barely got through hover..... Knees were shaking the every time I started the Nitro Kyosho up.

4 months ago I pick up this little Trex, and Sims. Today I flipped it over and hovered inverted for 20 seconds. Got the weak kneed feeling for the first time, this time around. forgot how good it felt.

22 with 2 inverted hovers, 4 brown steaks and an *.

heading back out...

povern

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
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vControl and Neo

Posted by ruddernate on 08-24-2008 11:47 PM:
ok i got a deal on a new jr 4.8v 4500mah nimh battery. i won't need a regulator with this one or will i? flew the raptor a couple times this morning. so sweet. but now i'm charging after every flight to be safe.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by rcmadness on 08-25-2008 12:36 AM:
No you should not need a regulator for a 4.8 volt pack. I should be a simple plug and play.

How do you currently charge your TX and RX batts.

Povern- Way to go, inverted, I have been flying about 8 months and I have not attempted inverted yet. Congrats on the acomplishement.

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Posted by ruddernate on 08-25-2008 12:52 AM:
i use the wall charger for my tx. and i'm using the multiplex multicharger for all other batts. this is the first nimh batt. i've charged. couldn't figure out how to select mah for a nimh. knowing i'll have a new batt in a day or two i just hit charge. it does a quick batt. check before it starts charging. everything looked good but i had no way to know what i was putting back into it. it got a little warm so i'm downloading the multicharger manual to do some studying. nice job on inverted povern. sweet.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by rcmadness on 08-25-2008 01:12 AM:
It is normal for nicads to get hot when they charge. I looked up your charger and it should do the job very nicely. Just set it up to cycle your rx battery and charge it back to full charge and you should be good to go.

I would start out with a charge rate of no more than 1 amp and disharge at 750 mamp to begin with. Once you get it figured out you may want to increase it a little. Your charger is a Delta Peak charger that automatically determines when the battery is full.When i ran RC Trucks I used a delta peak for the batts on them and they worked great.

6. Programming for NiCd mode or NIMH mode
Select Battery type
Select the type of battery, NiCD or NiMH with the battery type button.
Charge current
In this menu the charge current can be set within the range 0.1 A to 5 A in increments of 50mA using the INC and DEC buttons.
Discharge current (Note Discharge Current capabilities chart in this manual)
In this menu the discharge current can be set within the range 0.1A to 1A using the INC and DEC buttons.
Final discharge voltage
In this menu the termination voltage for the discharge process can be set within the range 0.1 V to 16.8 V.
Charge / Discharge cycles (Cycle)
In this menu you can set the values and method of the charging / discharging cycles.
C->D charge to discharge = ending with discharged battery
D->C discharge to charge = ending with fully charged battery
Number of cycles: 1 to 5
Press and hold down the ENTER button to start the charging/discharging or cycling process.

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Posted by ruddernate on 08-25-2008 01:19 AM:
thanx madness. got her figured out.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by povern on 08-25-2008 02:03 AM:
Team BS,

Has anyone tried backwards flight?

I can't believe how often I get the controls mixed up on the SIM.

povern

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by ruddernate on 08-25-2008 02:11 AM:
been trying it on the sim a lot. i have it down pretty good but on the real bird today the gyro blows out. what gyro do you have? I have the gy 401 on all my birds but i've heard the solid g won't blow out like that in reverse.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by povern on 08-25-2008 02:15 AM:
I haven't tried this in real life yet.

I have the 401 with not probelms yet....

povern

PS. The stickers look good on the Rappy! oh the Rappy looked goo also,

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by rcmadness on 08-25-2008 02:17 AM:
401 blowing out
To my uderstanding the 401 can be real picky about what servo you use on it when you fly backwards.

Personally I believe we all do a lot of backwards flying. We are still heavy into tail in flying and when you get nervous don't you fly it straight back to you tail first.

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Posted by ruddernate on 08-25-2008 02:52 AM:
yep. but when you get some speed up is when i have trouble. it happens all at once like the tail goes 90 degrees to the left.i have about as good a servo as you can put on my 450 and it still does this. what servos work better with the 401 for the .50 size. right now i'm using a S9253 futaba. not the best but for how i fly at the moment it works nice.

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Posted by rcmadness on 08-25-2008 04:40 AM:
My 401 on my 450 is a 9650 and my 600 has a 9254. They are both working pretty well for me right now also.

What is your gain setting on your 450 heli?

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Posted by povern on 08-25-2008 11:34 PM:
Bit of advice:

When flying inverted, do not push the collective up, thinking the heli is going up.

Dumb thumbs strike again.

Zero.

povern

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Posted by ruddernate on 08-26-2008 01:23 AM:
that's what i do once in a while on the sim. the nose while inverted is confusing sometimes. did you crash? how bad? my gyro gain is at 59% on the rex450. i've had it up and down and that's just where i have it at the moment. i'm still playing with it. i've been guilty of playing favorites with the raptor lately. i usually end on a good flight with the 450 because it's more my backyard flyer.

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Posted by Papa Sal on 08-26-2008 01:56 AM:
Oh NO Pov Sorry to hear. How bad? I've tried to fly backwards on the sim twice.......yeah just twice. Should I put stickers on my sim? LOL I got my new/used gyro( 401) for Hawk today. I jazzed, now all i need is some body parts that are on the way and a new crystal for the Rx that my friend Supersixtwo gave me....and I'm ready to join the nitro ranks! Question I've been reading your thread on here Ruddernate and Madness, right now all i have is the 1000Ma rx batt. that came with my radio. I have been charging/discharging for a few days now, seems pretty good. Will it be enough for two or more flights per charge? Until I save all my sim money again to buy a larger Nmhd like yours RN.

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 08-26-2008 02:13 AM:
hey papa. i think you'll be alright if you're not flying real hard. i'd start savin' up though. povern could probably give better advice i'm still learning about batteries myself. my knowledge is limited to what i have. the one i have now is 1450 mah and it's barely cutting the mustard but it's because it's wore out. i'm cycling it as we speak. you really need to get some pix of that hawk brother.

also hey madness is the fuel line system the stuff that comes in the align kit, or did you add this? i'm wanting to add metal peices and the pink rings you have at each junction. bling out my fuel system.

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Posted by rcmadness on 08-26-2008 05:06 AM:
The tubing that comes with the Align kit appears to be junk. I bought the neon pink and blue back when I was running nitro trucks and decided to add a littl color.

The filter, it I am thinking of the right picture is of the new align t filter that has the clear case so you can see if anything catches in the filter media. I really like it and it comes with a spare filter.

The metal stopper in the fuel add tube is one I custom built on the lathe and epoxeyed a magnet on the end so when I pull it off I can stick it to a bolt on the side of the heli and I dont drop it in the dirt.

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Posted by ruddernate on 08-26-2008 05:22 AM:
gotcha. looked at lund's and couldn't find exactly what i'm looking for. since what i have is good for now, i'm going to wait until i find some bright orange and green bling. would be nice to find a sight with colors to choose from. i have flourescent green fuel line. silly but man she's gonna look good when i get done with her. hard finding a clutch for her too. everyone i normally use is sold out. mine is decent but it's a little worn out.

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Posted by Papa Sal on 08-27-2008 09:42 PM:
eveyrbody good????? Still flyin my 450XS SWEET #36 waiting for partzzz for the Hawk. I think i figured out how to down load pics (Yea) So Mon I'll try to down load to rr. Now that the days are getting shorter and all da kidz are in school, my friends can't fly on Fri So we'll try Sat morns for a while. I'll at least get one flight in B-4 work. Fall sucks....winter's commin need to build ski's for the skids

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 08-27-2008 09:57 PM:
rcmadness is in Sulphur town tonight coming over to meet myself and my friend who flys. can't wait to meet ya bro. where's the rest of team bs? may get to see the first raptor crash. i'll let you know my flight # later. don't want to jynx it.

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Posted by Papa Sal on 08-27-2008 10:31 PM:
Have a GREAT TIME BRO

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 08-28-2008 02:57 AM:
ok guys we had a great time. wish rcmadness would've had his heli.He did a good job laughing at my shaky thumbs though. nice to put a face to the name. thanx for coming over madness, and thanx to my buddy atvracer who dazzled me once again with knowledge and piloting. sorry to brag on ya atvracer.I got more cocky with some turns than i have with the raptor thus far, but couldn't bring myself to get upside down. flys so nice. ok here's the sexiest pilots of the month winners. atvracer lft. rcmadness middle and me on the right.thanx guys. had a blast.

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Posted by rcmadness on 08-28-2008 03:20 AM:
Thanks for having me over.
Thanks Ruddernate and ATVracer for having me join in the fun. I wished I had at least thrown in my T 450 so I could have flown with you guys. By the way Ruddernate offered to let me fly his heli but I could not bring myself to do it. Sure as I would have I would have made a lawn dart out of it. Thanks for the offer though.

I would be really nice to get a bunch of pilots together like us to just have a little fun and share information. This was the first time I had the chance to visit with folks at the same skill level or an advanced level that was down to earth. We gotta do it again.

Did you do a loop after I left RN??

By the way thanks for the stickers.

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Posted by ruddernate on 08-28-2008 04:39 AM:
no loops yet. wanna be just a little more comfy. the way my thumbs are shaking with that raptor my loop may look kinda funny. that was the first time i'd done any real flying with the raptor other than test hovering. first time at the open feild with it. man it felt good. sure hope some of you guys could go to mt. pleasant, SRC. atvracer and i find it hard to get together with schedules. what are the odds that when we finally do team bs shows up. had a blast. tell your buddy he needs a heli.

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Posted by rcmadness on 08-28-2008 05:14 AM:
I don't know why your thumbs are shaking, you looked like you could put that raptor anywhere you wanted it. Now I have to work my butt off trying to catch up to you on the nose in. Maybe this weekend I can practice a little more and catch up.

It is funny you mentioned my buddy, after we drove off he started asking questions about how much it would cost to start in the hobby and how hard was it. We had a very loooong discussion on the way back.

I had a great time and I will let you know how my nose in is coming along this weekend. If I can get the nose in down and you can work through the loop we will be about equal.

Thanks again for your hospitality.

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Posted by ruddernate on 08-28-2008 02:28 PM:
after you left the starlings showd up and i chased one around with the 450, what a blast. i worked on nose in so long on the sim it seems easier now than tail in. now it's on to nose in landings and loops. gonna go fly this afternoon after i get some work done. i was so glad to have ya over. if you're ever back this way, bring a heli. we may be able to find a halfway point or something and meet up again. some of you other texas boys will have to show up too, Papa Sal. let me know how your nose in goes. nothin but a thang. Does perry live in Duncan?

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Posted by ruddernate on 08-28-2008 07:43 PM:
i went out this morning to avoid the heat. and guess what. i'm inverted! i did a flip instead of a roll. a few times i held it nose in inverted for 10 or more seconds. WOW! couldn't believe it. the raptor is still fine but i fired up the 450 for another round of flips which i did, but got her a little to far out and lost orientation, LAWN DART. to bad i had no audience it was spectacular.

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Posted by Papa Sal on 08-28-2008 07:56 PM:
Nose-in workin good, tryin to get 'er down to eye level. When I fly at home , my backyard is many arces, but we sit on a knoll so when I take off from my little spot ( 3x3 ) I'm already at thirty feet...great for the oooooops factor. When i get the pics loaded you'll see my little slice of Nevada. Had a bad start today seems everything I touched ...broke..It started with me breaking a glass in the dishwasher then I went out to our little shop....touched my fuel line and it broke off inside the rubber stopper. Glad it did on the bench and not in the air. Had to fix my fuel line ...new line is brass and bigger....just put down everything and shut off the light and went back in the house. Got ONE part out of three I ordered, and not the one I needed. SOOOOOOOO. I did'nt fly I just did'nt feel right, kinda like RCM the other day. Tomorrow is a new day. And I'm still together

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-28-2008 08:02 PM:
OH no RN just saw your post....OOOOUUUUUCCCCCHHHHH Are those wires severed? WOAH Sorry Bro. Looks like you need a whole sheet for that little 450. I bet you're glad it's not the Rappy.OBTW great pic of you guys!

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 08-28-2008 08:36 PM:
yea cut the servo wire smooth in half. any suggestions on the neatest splice i can make. haven't checked servo gears yet and took off after her and forgot to hit throttle hold so i'm praying the motor is ok. 1st thing i said was least it wasn't the rappy.I just laughed because i knew it was coming. soon as i went inverted i told my wife i'll start crashing now. man it's sweet though. hearing those blades when you flip her around. at least i have another heli to work on now. they were all flying so well and i didn't have any tinkering to do. i do now. hope your day gets better papa sal. i had one of those days yesterday where i should've just stayed in bed. the picture was to see if my thumbs were blurry from shaking so bad. madness got us lauging about how my rx worked well you could see every shake.

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Posted by Papa Sal on 08-28-2008 08:56 PM:
yeah, everyone up here flys like that too People say "you need to turn down your gyro" we say "naaaah it's just me" LOL. Are you good at soldering? Get some shrink tubing and solder away use silver solder it's perfect for electrics. Take your time!

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by rcmadness on 08-29-2008 03:49 AM:
You were flying so well!
Ruddernate you were flying so well when I saw you Wed. If I had know you were going to lawn dart it I would have flown it when you offered.

Papa Sal you should have seen his rappy do the hula it was quite comical. Not that mine doesn't do the same thing but it is funny to see some one else do it. We determined that he was getting a good signal from his TX to RX because it was a perfect match from thumb to heli.

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Posted by ruddernate on 08-29-2008 02:20 PM:
stripped the servo gears, busted cf tail boom, tail servo wires severed, 1 set radix blades,broken horizontal stabilizer bracket, broken custom canopy. she looks a mess. she'll be back up as soon as parts get here though. thinking of upgradeing the gears in the servos to metal. oh well. bought it to fly it. i got the rappy up after i crashed so i'm on #1

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Posted by rcmadness on 08-29-2008 02:35 PM:
Do you know the super glue and baking soda trick to repair the canopy? I have used it a couple of times, once on the fiber canopy and once on the MD 500 nose piece that was busted when it arrived. It is fast and easy.

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Posted by ruddernate on 08-29-2008 03:47 PM:
how's that work? damage is not real bad. mainly around the ear that attaches with rubber grommet. sounds like something i'd try.

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Posted by Papa Sal on 08-29-2008 05:28 PM:
Oh Yeah....METAL GEARS Baby.Hitec H65MG's. I have a handful of nylon gears for my 3107's but not the one that always breaks. After I get Hawk going it WILL be time to get T-rex back up We'll need to plan for a meeting of Team B.S. for 2009....somewhere out there...is a place for us.

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 08-29-2008 06:09 PM:
yep hs65mg here i come. my schedule is open for 09. how bout this years SRC, i'll keep asking till everyone agrees to go.

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Posted by povern on 08-29-2008 06:43 PM:
Baking soda and superglue? I need to know about this for fixing canopies....

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Posted by ruddernate on 08-29-2008 07:09 PM:
dido.

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Posted by rcmadness on 08-29-2008 07:09 PM:
Super glue and baking soda.
Try it on something you are not to worried about first so you can see how it works. (Remeber this is for the inside of the conopy)

What you need:
Good ole fashion Arm and Hammer baking soda. Like you put in the fridge to keep it smelling nice.

Bottle of "thin" CA any brand will do,it just has to be thin.

First put down a layer of baking soda on the surface you want to repair. You may need to glue pieces back first to make a solid surface for the BS to lay on. Use a spoon or popcycle stick to spread it where you want it. However thick it is will be how thick your patch is.

Next take you thin CA and start putting drops of it on the BS and it will absorb it very quickly. It dries almost instantly and you can add layers as you go. When is all dries you can use a dremel to smooth it out.

You can also put the CA down first and while it is wet you can sprinkle the BS on top of it. You just cant control where it goes as easily.

I have also used a course cloth and CAed it where I wanted it and put BS on top and put drops of CA on it and it make a really tough patch.

Just remeber that once the CA and BS get together it is an instant process. The out come is harder than a rock but it will add weight if that is a concern.

I rebuilt the whole lower section of the nose cone on the MD 500 that is in my gallery using this method.

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Posted by ruddernate on 08-29-2008 07:15 PM:
will try. the spots i'm needing to fix aren't big enough to add that much weight. thanx for the tip.

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Posted by Papa Sal on 08-29-2008 08:11 PM:
Thanks RCM Where's SRC this year?

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 08-29-2008 08:34 PM:
MT. Pleasant Texas. i looked up the town and there are 2 mt. pleasant texas. anyone know which one. is it the one near dallas?

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Posted by rcmadness on 08-29-2008 09:56 PM:
It is East of Dallas, little over 1/2 way to Tyler.

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Posted by ruddernate on 08-29-2008 10:03 PM:
approximately how far would that make it from Ardmore?

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Posted by Papa Sal on 08-29-2008 10:20 PM:
One LOOOOOONG day trip

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by rcmadness on 08-29-2008 10:28 PM:
Just guessing, 100 miles to Dallas and another 75 or hundred to Mt. Pleasant. Personally I would cut across country and bypass Dallas.

I just did a mapquest and it was exactly 175 miles.

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Posted by Papa Sal on 08-29-2008 10:29 PM:
Hey Team B.S. I would like to introduce one more future heli pilot. Her name is Madalynn Rain Gray, She's # 4 Grandaughter, born on 08/27/08. My oldest son Sal's first......Yes i have one Grandson...Grant her big Brother...he's 13 and a tenchno geek and I will be bringing him his first heli when we make the trip to see the new Bambina. (proud Papa) I think I need to make some stinky "GIRL" shorts stickerzzzzzz sheesh four girls

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by rcmadness on 08-29-2008 10:31 PM:
We need a picture Papa Sal!!!!!

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Posted by Papa Sal on 08-29-2008 10:35 PM:
Hey.......Me-2????????

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by rcmadness on 08-29-2008 10:38 PM:
Well I guess we can tell ya congrats even if you don't have a picture to share. You better start saving up for Christmas presents if you have to buy helis for all of them.

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Posted by Papa Sal on 08-29-2008 10:47 PM:
WHAAAAT???? OUCH i better find another M/C

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 08-29-2008 10:55 PM:
congrats papa sal. those kids are priceless. enjoy. as for mt. pleasent i was guessing over 200 miles so for that lineup i'll make the trip. Madalynn Rain is a very nice name.

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Posted by povern on 08-29-2008 11:04 PM:
Congrats PapaSal.

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy....

Got her on the Buddy Box yet?

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Posted by Papa Sal on 08-29-2008 11:05 PM:
Thanks Bros....I agree. If i had known how wonderful Grand Children were......we would have had them FIRST.

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-29-2008 11:21 PM:
Not on buddy box yet Pov......but she CAN already "nose"-in

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-30-2008 12:22 AM:
Hey guys my friend Hampilot posted some of our pics from the field. hampilot gallery........yeah that's me the BIG orange and black lookin Harley dude......look at that con-sen-tration. LOL

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 08-30-2008 12:42 AM:
nice pix papa sal. you could actually fly below yourself with those elevation changes. looks like nice country. why's the land all wrinkled up like that? our land here is flat and smooth as your new grandbaby's bottom.nice helimax

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Posted by Papa Sal on 08-30-2008 01:16 AM:
yeah...pretty red bling-bling. Wicked turbulence from those wrinkle thangs sometimes!

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by rcmadness on 08-30-2008 01:18 AM:
Great Pics Sal. Looks like your buddy is hooked pretty bad too.

Just for grins and giggles you should build a heli with the OS 4 stroker heli engine and paint in the colors of your shirt. You could call it your Harley Heli and use it as a tax right off.

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Posted by ruddernate on 08-30-2008 01:22 AM:
great idea. what a sound that would be. harley helis.

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Posted by Papa Sal on 08-30-2008 01:26 AM:
pa-ta-ta, pa-ta-ta, pa-ta-ta....now that there IS funny LOL

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-30-2008 01:27 AM:
Yeah Charlie and his Brother Paul.........oh well it's tooooo late for them.....and me.....SAVE YOUR SELVES!!!!!!!

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 08-30-2008 01:35 AM:
too late.

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Posted by rcmadness on 08-30-2008 04:02 AM:
Off topic but have you guys seen this. I have heard it is a bad idea to charge your batts in the heli but now I am a believer after seeing this.

http://www.runryder.com/gallery/22048/

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Posted by ruddernate on 08-30-2008 04:45 AM:
yep. it may be quirky but i don't put things on top of my bible and i don't store batts with anything i wouldn't want to burn.

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Posted by rcmadness on 08-30-2008 05:41 AM:
Anybody else notice how many folks have looked at this post. 3010 we must be interesting.

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Posted by 30636086 on 08-30-2008 05:52 AM:
men that hurts just looking at it! that sucks big time!

I dont suffer from mental iIlness, I actually enjoy mine!

Posted by ruddernate on 08-30-2008 06:24 AM:
i put all my batts in one aluminum case but i always think if one goes, they all go. that's gotta suck. wonder what kind of heli it used to be.
got all the parts ordered tonight for the trex. holiday weekend will probably slow down delivery though. i can't stand for one of my helis to be immobile. poor thing just sits there on the table looking all sad.

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Posted by rcmadness on 08-30-2008 06:38 AM:
It will be back in the air soon enough but I know what you mean. Sometimes I cannot sleep until it is fixed or I have worked a bug out of it.

When I get a new heli and the first night I have a chance to start building it my wife just makes me a pot a coffee, kisses me on the cheak and goes to bed. She knows I won't go to sleep until it has been transformed from a pile of parts to a heli.

When I bought my 600 we spent the night in a hotel before we came back home. My wife asked if she was going to have to sleep in the floor so I could sleep with my new heli. I told her no, it was a king size bed and it would fit between us just fine.

I did a marathon build in the garage the next night and had it in the air the next day.

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Posted by rcmadness on 08-30-2008 06:41 AM:
30636086- I noticed you did not list any helis on your myhome page. Are you just getting started in helis or is all you money going to your street racer?

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Posted by ruddernate on 08-30-2008 06:49 AM:
these little "toys" have the same effect on me. i couldn't stop staring at the new rappy when i got her for 2 days. gonna go tear up the skies tomorrow. gonna take it easy though only got one heli. need it flying for sunday. atvracer and i are going flying sunday and he's gonna bring the trainer plane to buddy box my wife with. trying to get her hooked. she became a lot more interested in watching when she saw me go inverted.

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Posted by Papa Sal on 08-30-2008 02:17 PM:
I've been known to just sit and stare at my collection........for hours.....before the sun comes up. RCM That's funny. LOL I always knew these lipo batteries could get you into trouble FAST. Have you guys seen the lipo sack? looks like that might be a good investment as well. RN I'm with you, maybe only a copy of MA will sit on my bible for only a moment.....till I get another cup of coffee. Have fun this weekend everybody....I've got four pics loaded in the cue for Mon. we'll see how that goes. But for now it's 5am my time and i gotta wait for the sun.....if you know what i mean

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by rcmadness on 08-30-2008 03:35 PM:
I just found out you can post pictures from someone else's gallery in your post. Coooooooool

Papa Sal: one new guy to the next, you are gonna have to get it higher than that to do your first flip!!!!

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Posted by Papa Sal on 08-30-2008 05:06 PM:
Naaaah, not at 3300rpm and + - 15 pitch.....push-pull-push-pull if Alan can do it.......watch this.........

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-30-2008 05:22 PM:
AOBTW, might I remind my Brother's that Orange/Black is also Futaba colors....see that thang in my hand....yep Futaba....Think they'll sponsor me???? LOL

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by rcmadness on 08-30-2008 05:35 PM:
Yep your right Futaba= Orange and Black. Now we just have to work on you shortening that antenna. 2.4ghz all the way.

I used to fly planks when I lived in Bakersfield CA and I flew 72 FM. When I went into helis I just switched to 2.4 and I will never switch back. No pins,crystals,glitches and no hard feelings. I hated having to wait for someone else to finish using a frequency to fly.

Anyway doesn't the wind coming up the sides of those mountains really give you fits? Seems like just the thermals alone would cause issues with too much lift?

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Posted by Papa Sal on 08-30-2008 06:20 PM:
Yep....all I need is mo money.....8ch 2.4 for me baby......some day. You should see the turbulence on warm days. WOHA Then the wind comes up around 10-11am it's fun.....rrrriiiigggghhhhttt, especially with a 450...Momma Mia Atsa hand full. they always say " you're a brave man Bro flyin that little heli". I just put another sticker on that's all

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by Papa Sal on 08-30-2008 06:26 PM:
OBTW.......Sun's UP.....#40nose-in 6ft 30sec.

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 08-30-2008 07:53 PM:
man i woke up with a serious migraine this morning. anyone else have moments when the wife doing dishes sounds like a jackhammer? took some pm's and ibuprofen , curled up like a little baby and went back to bed. may still try to go fly this evening but to hot for now. i've never understood the lipo pack. the videos i've seen of lipos burning looks like they burn hotter than a flash grenade. don't understand how those little sacks can contain heat like that.

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Posted by rcmadness on 08-30-2008 09:07 PM:
Rn: Good luck on the migrane, my wife has those and they give her fits. She drink gator aide when they start and that helps but we found some stuff at the health food store that keeps them from getting bad. Only bad thing about it is that it turns your pee neon yellow like a highlighter. I took a couple when a had just a bad headache and got the *&^% scared out of me when I went to the bathroom. She thought it was pretty funny.

I charge my lipos in a steal box that has a latch on it just to be on the safe side.

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Posted by ruddernate on 08-30-2008 09:47 PM:
no fun especially when you wake up to one. haven't had one in a long time. ok boys it's not pretty but here's the latest flight footage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6ntZDBM6cY

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Posted by Papa Sal on 08-30-2008 11:04 PM:
RN .......You were ROCKIN BRO! good job but why is the heli cryin?

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 08-30-2008 11:17 PM:
the heli's probably tired of my thumbs shaking it to death.

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Posted by rcmadness on 08-30-2008 11:52 PM:
Way to go Ruddernate

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Posted by rcmadness on 08-31-2008 12:35 AM:
Ok guys I have a question for you. What does it mean when you pull a back loop down wind, you land and your white tail rotor blades are green as the grass???????????????????

I am taking donations for more underwear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Altitude,altitude and more altitude. Maybe some negative collective thrown in for good measure.

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Posted by Papa Sal on 08-31-2008 12:51 AM:
RCM .......tailboom bent? That was close Whew!!!!!! Sim time for me, next three days off.....50mph winds Izzzz hates FALL

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 08-31-2008 01:29 AM:
i'm dying for fall papa. tired of 100 plus. man madness. wish you had some vid. sounds like some killer 3d going on. even unintentional. i do my best 3d saving it.

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Posted by rcmadness on 08-31-2008 08:57 PM:
Well RN I will soak up some cool for you in wyoming next week. I checked the weather and the high in Rock Springs for the week is 68deg.

I flew the 450 this morning for 3 packs worth. Did several extended nose in manuvers. I even brought it down and in a little with no major issues.

I am having a little trouble with my 600 leaning out on me when the tank gets low and I finally figured it out yesterday. I believe the clunk line I used is to stiff. It is sucking air when I get the nose down. I will be at Ron Lunds shop week after next and pick some up.

I am also working on the negative collective on the loop so I can stick it upside down like you were doing in you vid. Just need more practice.

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Posted by ruddernate on 09-01-2008 04:13 AM:
ok guys. i was a little to embarassed to put this on the thread. i already told rcmadness but what the heck, here goes. i pulled a good old fashioned hot start today. i turned my radio on and then took a phone call. after the phone call i still had my servo check from my first flight on my mind thinking i had turned on my rx at the heli. but i hadn't. so i grabbed my starter and she hot started. the clutch liner was already weak and all the energy went through the clutch like diving in a pool full of razor blades. ther was nothing left of the clutch, clutch bell, or the liner which was a nice powdery substance covering my entire heli. needless to say i felt like the world's biggest idiot, and loaded up and came home. i got one flight in where i stayed inverted for about 30 seconds. it felt so good. until my heli decided to fight back for all the abuse i've put her through. i'm thinking about starting a thread on clutch replacement for the rappy but i'm sure it's been done 100 times on rr. i'll probably just post a few pics here in our little team bs corner of rr. here's the first pics submitted on "Rudder's Exciting Mishap" oh and i don't think my wife has ran that fast in a decade.she was ouuutttt!

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Posted by rcmadness on 09-01-2008 05:16 AM:
Well rudder it is just like I told you in the pm. It happens to the best of us. It looks like what we talked about, the clutch shoes broke and bound up busting the clutch housing. I am glad nothing flew out an hit you or your wife. Heck its just parts and look how much better you will know your heli when you get it back together.

Does the shaft and bearing on the engine seem ok? Do I see a new hyper in your future?

Good luck with the rebuild.

RCMadness

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Posted by ruddernate on 09-01-2008 05:34 AM:
no hyper this time. i think all it's gonna take is a clutch,shoe and bell and got a few liners coming. next time though it will be a hyper. maybe just need to fly a little harder to jack up something more serious. yeh it could've been worse. i found one good size piece of the shoe wedged in the back of the frame. could've put an eye out at the least. lucky. my wife got a good workout though. one main reason i'm going back with this engine is i'd like to put the money into some killer servos down the road a bit. man those hypers look sweet though. just need one in flourescent green.

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Posted by rcmadness on 09-01-2008 05:55 AM:
To tell you the truth I don't see that much difference in a non hyper and the hyper engine. I have the hyper because it was the popular engine and readly availible. Personally, the way we fly right now we would be better off with a rubber band power system.

I still giggle thinking of your wife exiting the scene. I bet she was wound up for a little while. Next time you take her flying you should offer her a flack jacket and a helmet.

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Posted by ruddernate on 09-01-2008 08:04 AM:
she left me there all alone. when my home burned a year ago she sent my neighbor back in to look for me. maybe this is a trend. she was saving our kids so i guess i'll let it slide. just seems like she likes to leave when it gets dangerous.we laughed our butts off later about it. she was shaking for a little while though.

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Posted by rcmadness on 09-01-2008 04:07 PM:
Well if it makes you feel any better I dumb thumbed my 450 this morning and put her in the dirt on her side. Luckly I was only about 4 ft off the ground when I did it. I would like to tell that I was doing some really amazing 3d manuver when it happened but that is just not the case. I simply flew it behind a fence and lost sight of it momentarily and gave it left cyclic when I should have gave it right cyclic.

Parts list.
All cyclic servo gears
Flybar
CF Blades
CF CY tail blades.
Top bolt
Feathering shaft.
Main shaft.

Optional replacements
Boom, suffered a minor boom strike so I will replace the boom.
Tail shaft. While it is apart I don't want to take a chance on it being bent.

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Posted by povern on 09-01-2008 04:12 PM:
I noticed that a lot of people loose servo gears on a crash, I never have. Is that cause I'm running metal gears? HS-65mg?

Just wondering....

povern

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by ruddernate on 09-01-2008 04:12 PM:
that sucks madness. maybe my thumbs are contagious. crashes are running rampant. look out pap sal, povern

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Posted by rcmadness on 09-01-2008 04:55 PM:
My deal right now is finding all the parts in one spot. Rons, Heli pros, etc do not have all the parts in one spot. That sucks and I will have to pay mulitple shipping charges.

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Posted by ruddernate on 09-01-2008 05:05 PM:
i hear ya. i went through 6 of my favorite sites pricing all my parts and shipping charges and it's not easy finding a place that has every part you need. i had to figure in shipping things seperate that one didn't have. ended up using heli proz just because they had everything i need in stock. when you need lots of different things it's not an easy task. ended up getting entire servos for my 450 with metal gears instead of upgrading gears. got the hs-65mg's. got all my clutch parts ordered as well and paid as much for shipping as i did for the parts to get them here fast. can't stand waiting.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by rcmadness on 09-01-2008 06:46 PM:
The mg65 hitechs are the way to go. If I didn't already have $120 worth of Futaba 3153 digital cyclic servos I would have just bought a set of 65s myself. I hated not to use the digitals since they are great servos but they have plastic gears.

Dang its a bad day, I could not stand it and I had to fly something so I drug out my MD 500 (aka flying brick) and flew it for a little while just to get back on the horse so to speak. The wind here today is bad and it was giving me fits. Maybe this eveing I can put the 600 in the air when the wind lays down.

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Posted by ruddernate on 09-01-2008 08:39 PM:
i don't want to hear it. least you got a bird that's airworthy. hope the day gets better. i'm gonna go scrub more clutch liner off my frame.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by rcmadness on 09-01-2008 11:27 PM:
I did not mean to rub it in at all about still having a bird to fly. Right now I just walk past the heli bench and see my V2 stripped down and waiting on parts. I really don't like that feeling like something is unfinished.

I think we are both sick!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we have Brokeheliosis and only the postman and the visa can cure us.

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Posted by ruddernate on 09-01-2008 11:29 PM:
hey povern i had the hs-65hb's and when i crashed i seriously stripped two of the servo's gears. i went to the mg's because i've heard this won't happen. i just wonder what will tear up if the energy stops at the gears. ball links? which i could handle a lot better than servo gears. my first good crash with the 450 and lost 2 servos. you should be good with the mg's. can't wait to get mine. just ordered for the 2 that were bad to keep the cost down, but will look for the first excuse to get the last one as soon as possible.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by povern on 09-02-2008 02:03 AM:
Today I purchased a new Team BS flag Carrier,

A Trex 600e. CF, Torque Tube, 611, the works, with a ton of spare parts.....

Picked it up used off the other site. Should be on its way up by the end of the week.

This monster will leave a streak a baby with Diarrhea would be proud of.

povern

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by Papa Sal on 09-02-2008 02:18 AM:
Still Windy out west....and 40dg this morning.....burrrrr. I downloaded a fistfull of pics, and i'll have to wait for rr to size them. Should be some cool pics. Sorry guys for all the carnage. I feel the heat off those credid cards boyzzzzzz Pov sound like a great deal. I love T-rex. But I'm workin steay on the Hawk....more pics next Mon. RN glad nobody got hurt. Oh and one last thing......STOP CRASHING everybody. LOL

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 09-02-2008 02:41 AM:
i hear ya. hey povern have you already used a 611. if not i'd like to know what ya think when you get it. sounds like a nice heli. now all you have left is the waiting. that's all i can do at the moment. holiday weekend even makes it worse. my total damage was about $40 but i paid another $40 to get it here asap. i need something to fly, i'm jonesin' here i tell ya jonesin' 40degrees sounds nice to me. ask me about december and i'll have changed my mind though.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by povern on 09-02-2008 12:02 PM:
RN, ITs coming with a 611, will let you know how it is.

From what I've seen in this area (very little) the 611 is the shizzle on these bigger helis.

povern

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by ruddernate on 09-02-2008 03:39 PM:
i've heard good things. i like my 401 but i've been wanting to try the solid g or the 611.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by ruddernate on 09-04-2008 12:23 AM:
got my clutch parts in for the rappy. time to cure that brokeheliosis. get your bird back up yet madness?

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 09-04-2008 07:24 PM:
It's a race to see whos in the air first.....HAWK LIVES! I just figured out which way the throt. works....I didn't want a hot start on my maiden...EEEEWWWW. blades tomorrow...and range check. Pics coming....so's Christmas........I'm WAY TOOOOOOOO Excited, I've aready put one sticker on her. LOL Did you guys see my gallery? C-YA

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by rcmadness on 09-04-2008 07:59 PM:
Well guys I am in Wyoming this week, so no I haven't been able to work on my 450. Hopefully my parts will be there when I get home Saturday but I have to leave again so time will be limited to put things back together. I plan to fly something this weekend one way or another.

Sal- Your gallery looks great but there are a whole lotta folks on there you will have to by heli's for.

Ruddernate- Did Guy get his Rave? I saw some more pictures of that heli and it looks kinda funny from the side. It looks a little flat nosed. Just curious wheather it was the camera angle or acctually how it looks.

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Posted by Papa Sal on 09-04-2008 09:12 PM:
Wow Madness you're almost here! keep comin....Let's fly.J.K. have a safe trip home to those parts Bro!

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 09-05-2008 04:16 AM:
got the raptor ready and went to fill her up with fuel and had 2 holes in the fuel tank. just my luck. i've got epoxy on the holes but have to wait till tomorrow to check it. other than that it's ready to go. the 450 i replaced feather shaft, main shaft, blades(got new mavericks to try), dampeners, respliced tail servo wires. did all that after work waiting on ups to bring me my new servos from ron's and guess what, they sent me just the gears and charged me for the entire servo. anyone know where i can get instructions to install the gears. i'm sure it's not hard but lots of gears. i didn't have small enough screwdriver to open the servos up so i haven't looked at them yet but it would be nice to have a drawing. ron's has always been good about service to me but that's not gonna get the helis fixed by the weekend. been looking at these helis broke down on the table to long. put the tank in the rappy and get these gears figured out and both birds will be back up tomorrow before the weekend. got a new job and started today so not as much time to play with the helis. no more contracting i'm working for the man again.

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Posted by rcmadness on 09-05-2008 05:04 AM:
Rons should make it right for you if you let them know but I agree it won't get your heli in the air. You might try using a soldering iron on low to fix you gas tank. Just get it hot and rub it over the hole and it will melt the plastic enough to seal it. There was an article in RC Heli this month about fixing the fuel tank with a soldering gun. Epoxy probably won't stick to the tank but you can try it.

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Posted by povern on 09-05-2008 02:11 PM:
RN<

I think finless has a video on replacing servo gears.

povern

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by Papa Sal on 09-05-2008 05:26 PM:
RN, no problem my brother......you do have to get a jewelers screwdriver though.....darn another tool Flip the servo over undo two screws flip it back....the screws stay in the case on my 3107's lift from the back, and there they are. use the first servo as an example. that's what I did, only two output shafts you can stack the gears on yor bench in the order they came off.....easy as can be. from the drive motor, to the first gear....I bet that is the gear you'll find missing the tooth! have fun.....Hawks ready.....need fuel...hmmmmm, not use to that. OBTW all our LHS......NO heli fuel Order.....wait.....order......wait. GO FLY

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 09-05-2008 10:53 PM:
thanx for the tips everybodyl. can't call yourself an rc guy if you've never built a servo i guess. now's my chance. i tried the soldering iron on the tank. no bueno. got the idea from the same article. the epoxy i used is a plastic epoxy. i'm fixing to go check it out. gotta go get a screwdriver set for the servo.thanx again guys. good job on the hawk papa. where's those pix?

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Posted by Papa Sal on 09-05-2008 11:05 PM:
aaaaaammmmmmmmmm?In my cameragonna try to spool up for her maiden tomorrow....maybe. My friend will lend me some fuel, but i didn't recharge my rx yet since I installed my elect's. What about using silicone for the tank RN?

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 09-06-2008 12:53 AM:
i'm fixing to check out my patch job. if it didn't work that'll be my next try. i'm also ordering a new tank. the holes are on both sides where the little knobs that snap the tank in are. just from being taken in and out enough without seperating the frame. oh well. we'll see. also got the red stiff dampeners for the 450 that povern recommended and can't wait to see how they perform. hey povern you still liking those dampeners?

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Posted by rcmadness on 09-07-2008 02:33 AM:
Lesson learned and sharing with my buds.
I learned a very valuable lesson this week. If the servo is classified as "Sub Micro Digital" this means that you are screwed if you crash it. In my very pissed off honest opinion they should be listed as disposable do not try to rebuild. 3- $37 servos that will now not work on my cyclic control since after I replaced the gears in them they all three now have different rates of actuation. &%$%#@@$%^*&^%&%!!!!!!!! On top of that one of my orders with the rest of my trex parts didn't show. Shipped tuesday from 250 miles away and they didn't get here. From now on if ready heli don't have it I ain't ordering it.

Ok guys sorry about the rant but I had to get it out of my system.

I have just ordered 3 new MG65 hitec's, good old analog servos and maybe the rest of my parts will show next week.

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Posted by ruddernate on 09-07-2008 03:13 AM:
dang madness don't hold back. say it like you mean it. that sucks. once i finally got my 450 back together i test flew and the tail bobbed up and down and it was acting crazy so i tore her back down and opened the servos back up and put the small pin on the small gear exactly where the other ones were they were off a little. put it back together and i've had a few successful flights now with her. who did you use for your parts rcmadness, if you don't mind saying. oh i also flew the raptor and my lama 4 and my eagle 50 today. i'm flying again guys, awesome. oh and go ahead and rant i do it a lot when it comes to my helis and their parts. ask my wife.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by rcmadness on 09-07-2008 05:57 AM:
who did you use for your parts rcmadness, if you don't mind saying.
To be honest I would rather not say in this open forum. He is a great guy and his shop carries great stuff. The shop is not heavily advertised as a web shop or mail order.

Bottom line I was and still am really pissed about the high dollar Futaba 3153's that are supposed to be so good and they can't seem to take a minor crash. I didn't drop it in from 50 feet, I was only a couple of feet off the ground in a hover when I rolled it in and I hit the throttle hold as soon as I realized I had lost it. In my book they should have held up better than that. Maybe I am doing something wrong on them or something else. When it comes to the small stuff give me an analog servo any day. Heck an Eflite or Spectrum digital servos are great until you crash them and they are half the money.

See there it still isn't out of my system yet, sorry for the rant again.

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Posted by ruddernate on 09-07-2008 06:21 AM:
i hear ya. my last crash on the rex i thought , it's not that bad, i have everything to fix it, but i get home and realize 2 servos are stripped. it shot the repair bill up considerably. i only hope the metal gears hold up better. i did put her in very hard nose first though. how does the speed of the analogs your gonna use compare to the digital counterparts? is it a very noticeable difference? gonna go fly tommorrow with both helis and even gonna buddy box on my buddy's trainer plane. lovin it. hope your heli situation gets better. isn't it crazy how these little helis can drive you insane and get you so psyched up. what a ride.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by rcmadness on 09-07-2008 04:50 PM:
A bell to rid the heli of grimlins.
Ok guys here is a thought, Papa Sal maybe you can help with this.

Maybe we should attach a little bell to our helis to keep the grimlins away like they do on motor cycles. Papa Sal does this sort of think work with the motorcycle group. They make them very small and we could hang them underneath. They would really ring if you had a vibration problem.

Just a thought, I am looking for anything to keep my helis out of the dirt.

http://www.gremlinbells.com/order.htm

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Posted by ruddernate on 09-07-2008 06:25 PM:
i'm in.
but it'll have to be like on a bike where you can't buy your own, someone has to give it to ya or it won't work.

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Posted by rcmadness on 09-07-2008 09:39 PM:
When I am down south this week I will see if I can find some that I can give away for luck.

It will be our luck that they ring at 2.4 ghz and cause a crash. I am willing to risk it for any help that it may provide.

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Posted by povern on 09-08-2008 12:19 AM:
I want my 600 to get here. I want my 600 to get here. I want my 600 to get here. I want my 600 to get here. I want my 600 to get here. I want my 600 to get here. I want my 600 to get here. I want my 600 to get here. I want my 600 to get here. I want my 600 to get here. I want my 600 to get here. I want my 600 to get here. I want my 600 to get here. I want my 600 to get here. I want my 600 to get here. I want my 600 to get here. I want my 600 to get here. I want my 600 to get here.

Went to a funfly this weekend, it was very heli freindly, along with lots of great planker pilot. Saw 8 different 600e helis and just lover the sound of them winding up.

I flew overn 10 flights, not crashes, flipped it inverted 3 times, learned a ton from the other pilots, got to see first hand the 2 big crashes for helis, saw 2 mid air planker crashes one plnker just planted nose in from way to far up.

I want my 600 to get here. I want my 600 to get here. I want my 600 to get here. I want my 600 to get here. I want my 600 to get here. I want my 600 to get here. I want my 600 to get here. I want my 600 to get here. I want my 600 to get here. I want my 600 to get here. I want my 600 to get here. I want my 600 to get here. I want my 600 to get here. I want my 600 to get here. I want my 600 to get here. I want my 600 to get here. I want my 600 to get here. I want my 600 to get here. Am I whinning enough yet?

povern

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by rcmadness on 09-08-2008 12:32 AM:
I want your 600 to get there.I want your 600 to get there.I want your 600 to get there.I want your 600 to get there.I want your 600 to get there.I want your 600 to get there.I want your 600 to get there.I want your 600 to get there.I want your 600 to get there.I want your 600 to get there.I want your 600 to get there.I want your 600 to get there.I want your 600 to get there.

Maybe that will help a little.

RCMadness

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Posted by ruddernate on 09-08-2008 01:42 AM:
i want it to get there as well. sucks waiting huh. my wife and i went to a local airport and buddy boxed on the trainer plank. it was lots of fun. i was flying the 450 first and one of my servos just quit on the aileron side i tried to level her up and nothing happened. good thing i have 2 new servos coming. damage other than that was stuff i have. feathering shaft looks like a horseshoe flybar tail boom. no biggy. flew the rappy a few times got inverted a few times but the last flight i had a weird metallic noise from the heli like a bearing or clutch. the clutch and bearing in the bell is brand new so i'm kind of stumped. i spoiled down to not risk it. the rappy is in one piece but the 450 is down again for a few days. oh well we had a blast. my wife even did a few loops and rolls on the plank and loved it. we'll probably go plank shopping this week when i go to stock up on some 30%. anyways had a good sunday of flying. hope everyone else had a good weekend. sounds like you're having a blast povern. i hope your 600 e gets there. as for me it's fly for a few hours and tinker on them for a week. those few hours are totally worth it.

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Posted by povern on 09-08-2008 02:20 AM:
BTW: I'm at 25, where you guys at?

povern

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by rcmadness on 09-08-2008 02:29 AM:
Broke down and flew the 600 this afternoon.
Well I couldn't stand it so I drug out the 600 and burned a few tanks through it before dark this evening. I tried just flying the MD500 scale 450 but that didn't hit the spot.

I guess after I crashed the Trex 450 it made me nervous to fly the big heli but I got over it after the first tank. The last tank skeered the crap out of me though. I brought it around in front of me and headed south in full collective forward flight and it ran out of fuel since the nose was down hard and I didn't realize I was that low on fuel. Good news, I had plenty of head speed, bad news I was about 25' off the ground and 75 yards away. I managed to bring it to a hard stop and set it straight down with no incident. It is way cool how a 50 size bird will auto and not damage anything.

So ends a good weekend.

Povern- sorry bud I do not keep count but it has been many. some successful some not so successful.

Ruddernate: Did you find that flying a plank was easy if you already knew how to fly a heli.

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Posted by ruddernate on 09-08-2008 03:13 AM:
my friend told me i was a natural. flying the plank came very easy. i've flown them a lot on the sim and when i got her going it was very relaxing. not like a heli at all where i'm a nervous wreck. my wife wants one now after pulling some flips and rolls she's hooked. i crashed the 450 and flew 3 times after on the raptor till it started making the racket so i'm on #3. way to get back on the horse madness.:coolovern did it get there yet?

sorry just kidding.
oh i forgot to mention my friend crashed his trusty raptor 50. it's the one that you saw madness, his leaky sr71 he was kicking butt,and some killer 3d and it was very windy and was flipping her around had a blade stall and went in from pretty high up nose first made sickening noise and bounced about 20 yards. never found his reserve tank. some of the parts we found were 30 yards away from the heli. broke the boom gyro was screwed, servos busted, frame was in 4 pieces, radix blades, landing gear was in peices. he was debating on whether or not to fix it. it's been his trusty beater for so long i hope he does. he'll have to break down and fly the 600n or the vibe 90 now. i truly felt his pain. it was his first crash in 2 years and it's not because he plays it safe. he flys the piss out of that thing. i felt terrible since that was the heli that made me want a raptor. crashing sucks. at least mine today was a cheap one.

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Posted by rcmadness on 09-08-2008 04:53 AM:
Wow that sucks big time. She wasn't pretty but she flew well from what I could tell. When you say blade stall did the blades stop or was it the fact they could not catch any air. I have heard it both ways and just wondering. I have had my 450 lose lift in the wind but I have not lost it, came close a couple of time but I thought it was just me.

Tell atvracer I send my condolences, maybe he can make his Trex his beater for a while. Doesn't sound like there is much left to salvage on the Raptor. I guess he could take the head button loose and run a new raptor under it.

Glad to hear your wife is into flying, my wife and I talked about her flying this morning and I offered to teach her but she told me she was happy standing on the sidelines watching. She told me to let her know when I wanted to go to a funfly and she would save up some spending money. I will settle for that. I did offer to teach her how to work on the helis so she could repair them during the week while I am traveling and I could come home and fly them on the weekends. That didn't pan out for me though.

Povern: When are you going to post some pics or load your gallery. Show your stuff man, we need to see you helis.

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Posted by ruddernate on 09-08-2008 05:01 AM:
he was doing some flips and stall turns, don't know how to describe it exactly but he was doing manuevers that would go up high and spin and flip on the way down and pull it up around 15 or 20 feet. the last one it was like the blade lost it's grip on the air. he thought the way he lost power it was a blade stall. the blades didn't really stop spinning just lost their grip which caused loss of power and couldn't pull it up in time. the wind was really gusty and lots of turbulence. by that time if i hadn't already crashed the 450 i wouldn't have even tried flying it. had a good time though, and can't wait for the SRC. room is booked and counting down the days. yeh povern where's those pics?

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Posted by rcmadness on 09-08-2008 05:38 AM:
Sounds like the air was moving down as fast as the heli which makes it act like it weighs twice as much. I am sure that is a very helpless feeling to hammer the throttle and collective and it act like nothing is happening.

Kinda like a flat spin on a fixed wing,you do that by getting the nose above the tail on a underwing air craft in a hard banking turn, been there done that to a $1200 four stoker in California. It made me quite flying planks for a while. I did put it back together and flew it twice more. Finally had to quit due to finacial issues at the time.

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Posted by ruddernate on 09-08-2008 06:04 AM:
http://runryder.com/t436770p1/
didn't know if you guys check out the scale heli forums but check this out. just wanted to spread it around. besides ours of course this is the most interesting thread i've seen to date.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 09-08-2008 09:18 PM:
Wow you guys have been busy........Pov, 600E don't they sound like turbines? It's cool. You got her yet? Madness. Sorry about your servo's Bro, at Least you flying > RN sound like the Misses is a R-C freak now....WAY TO GO BRO Now we'll see how hot the credit cards get. LOL Well still no fuel yet pay day's commin, but here are two XXX pics of Hawk (She's still naked) I think I/m still at 40 Pov. my friends Frick-N-Windy are still here. No I haven't simed in a while either.....just sit and stare at Hawk.......

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by rcmadness on 09-09-2008 03:23 AM:
RCMadness travel report for Sept 8th.
Hey everybody, I am Pharr Texas this week and the good news is that I had the oppertunity to visit Ron's Heli Proz South. Wow they have a lot of parts in stock. Super nice and helpful, I will tell you that the shop is not exactly set up for walk in customers but the cool thing is it is like shopping in a warehouse full of nothing and I mean nothing but heli's and heli parts.

Couple folks running around with the phone in their hand picking out stuff as you ask for it on your phone in orders. I started to take some pics but they would not be any different than the ones Ron already has posted.

Killer thing was I only spent a whopping $8, I bought a header tank and some neon bling wire wrap for the 600. I have to go back through on my way home so I may have to stop back by in case I forgot something.

Ruddernate they had your picture on the wall as customer of the month. (just kidding)

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Posted by ruddernate on 09-09-2008 09:23 AM:
wouldn't surprise me. especially this month. we are officially on a first name basis.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by rcmadness on 09-10-2008 06:15 PM:
Ok guys where is everyone.

Ruddernate: Working for the "man" is hampering your RR post. Please asked to be assigned to a position with a computer and RR access.

Papa Sal: Harley rentals cannot be going that good since it is starting to get cold where you are.

Povern: Stop flying for a little while and tell us how it is going.

As for Me: I am in Zapata Texas, you can see Mexico out the window of my hotel room. I will be headed out of here this afternoon back to Corpus Christie and on to Midland tomorrow. Then I have a whole week of vacation to enjoy.
1st priority is rebuild the T 450 and get it air born again. All my parts should be in.
2nd Change the brake shoes on my daughters car.
3rd Install a new kitchen counter top for the wife before she shoots me. I am thinking a new heli for that one. (Payment for such services used to be marital relations but now its heli's)

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Posted by ruddernate on 09-10-2008 06:21 PM:
still here, just switched to working nights so i just woke up. it's noon now. get home around 3:00am and check my rr but don't have the time lately to hang out and bs. going to get my new hs65mg's on the rex in a minute. i think i can get the 450 up before i head to work. no computer access at work, to much grease.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by atvracer on 09-10-2008 06:46 PM:
Hi all
Well I had a chance join in I’m here at work with access to RR and had a chance to read some of the post here and ruddernat kept talking about this post and should join in I know ruddernate and met rcmadness (very nice guy) I love to fly planes and helis (don’t get much) mostly with my brother until last Sunday had a great time had 1 crash and my Raptor is no longer I was looking at last night and it’s dead it broke all the servos, gyro, governor, RX, pipe, frame, gears, belt, tank, the only thing on it still good is the head block and tail but it was fun it’s time to get my 600n and Vibe 90 in the air aging now full is coming any it nice to meet you all

Atvracer
Posted by Papa Sal on 09-10-2008 08:34 PM:
Atv Welcome! Sounds real bad for the Raptor,but what's cool about our heli's is....you can fix em As for the planks...well when you crash one of them..."re-kited" comes to mind not much left when I crash one. You'll love the 600N and have you flown the Vibe yet? I'd like to see pics of that if you got some.Which engine did you get for her? I think you'll need to download some of Povern's stickers once you get the Rappy back up.lol Any way pic's of Hawk look good....still waiting for fuel. # 42 on the MX450. started flying with stall turns....WHEW another feat. Maddnes....GET home bfore Ike keeps you there Pov...Where yat? Rn. Night job? whoa that's gonna cut itno heli time. One more thing...I WANNA FLY MY HAWK

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 09-10-2008 08:54 PM:
well atv is in the house. just got the 450 halfway ready again. just need to put in feather and main. the shift is not to bad, it's 4:30pm to 2:30 am so i get up around 10am and have until 4:30 to work on the helis. still need to find my noise in my rappy. that's tomorrow. still have all weekend to fly. getting ready to go to the src and can't wait. gonna try to get the helis in shape and keep them that way for the event. sorry about the rappy atv i truly felt your pain. like loosing a member of your family. gotta get ready for work now. have fun guys.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 09-10-2008 09:05 PM:
That's a cool shift Rn all day heli flyin neat Any more stick time for the Misses?

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by atvracer on 09-10-2008 09:13 PM:
i flown my vibe many of times but the last few times it ended in a crash something would brake in flight last time I broke a servo arm on some 9000s servos down she went about $700 to fix it plus i went ahead and got some 8717 servos but I do love the way she flis the power and the smothness of the 90s can't be toutch and I’ve been so busy at work I haven’t flow much this past year and half and the punker factor kicks in that’s why I always fly my SR71 raptor aka beater until this last weekend now my 600n is my new beater my 600n has 50hyper 9000s servos ATG gov solid G gyro my vibe 90 has 8717 servos 601 gyro os 91 hyper w/cline carb I have some pices in my gallery most of them are old

atv
Posted by Papa Sal on 09-10-2008 09:43 PM:
Wow Great Pics.....go inverted or GO home hugh? Good job. hey what are those funny lookin 4 wheel critters can they hover?????

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by atvracer on 09-10-2008 11:46 PM:
sorry those 4 wheel critters don't hover very well there are go fast dirt bikes with training wheels

Posted by povern on 09-11-2008 01:40 AM:
Well guys I'm back. Yesterday was the Sh*ts. Can you say 3 main shafts in 24 hours. Only one crash. The other two were while doing circuits. Can't figure this one out.

BTW: When learning inverted. Once you flip it over, be quick to put it right side up again. Do think you can flip if over while it is diving into the ground.

my 600e ain't here yet.......

povern

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by rcmadness on 09-11-2008 03:22 AM:
Welcome atvracer, glad you made it into our little group.I only have one question about the Raptor, Did the gas tank make it? If it did you have to build a heli around that leaking thing, that is what made it a mean heli. The one thing that I learned from seeing you fly that heli was the thought that everything had to be perfect to fly is totally bogus.

Guys I am not being mean to Atvracer here at all, It was just the fact I have read so many RR post about set up, perfection, clean, trimmed and precise, they had little meaning after I saw atvracer fire up that poor old wore out heli and start doing flips five feet off the ground and tick tocks and a whole bunch of stuff I had never witnessed in person and it did it without hesitation or fault. It helped me learn not to fuss over it so much and go fly the dang thing.

Ok Povern it sound like you caught what Ruddernate and I had last week. Brokenheliosis, welcome to the club. Keep at it you will work through it.

Ruddernate your schedule will work great this winter when it gets dark early.

Papa Sal if only Harley made a quad the world would be perfect.

Well I am back in Corpus Christie for the night. You talk about a ghost town. The all appear to be afraid of some guy named Ike!

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Posted by ruddernate on 09-11-2008 09:22 AM:
well it's 3:00am where's all my rr buddies? i'll be test flying the 450 tomorrow hopefully. need to get some braided wire sleave for her. i hate those edges toucing wires but there's only so many zip ties i can put on her. also gonna try and figure out what's wrong with the raptor. been looking at airplanes for the wife, i know shame on me. flying atvracer's was a blast though. i can't wait to get one. it's no heli fix but it's cool in a different way. dang madness , you sure get around. i've been to corpus a few times in my wilder days and she was no ghost town then. just gotta have a brother like mine to show you all the action. he was stationed there for a few years for the coast guard. papa let's see some airborn pics of that hawk soon. also, i'd really like to find an old heliboy or cricket to fix up not really for a daily flyer but think it would be fun to overhaul one. keep your eyes out for a fixer upper guys. povern give more negative.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by povern on 09-11-2008 11:34 AM:
RN:

More negative: Check

povern

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
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vControl and Neo

Posted by Papa Sal on 09-11-2008 07:26 PM:
Could you imangine if Harley made a heli? would you fly in it??? #42 this morning. It was such a beautiful morning.......all I wanted to do is sport flying around, around, figure 8's, nose in...hover.....fff,around, around....nose in. I'm tellin ya I didn't want to stop, ran the batt 7:29. not sure what that will mean till tomorrow morning when I recharge her. Cut a piece of carpet to fly off my back yard 3ftX3-1/2. brought her down right in the middle....Wow what a rush Maddness, do think Ike will hit your neck of the woods? Pov, three main shafts and only one crash???hmmmmmmmmmm Rn. I hope your noise isn't what I think it is And have fun with your 450...again At least we'll keep the sticker sheet company in bizzzzz

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 09-11-2008 08:21 PM:
if it is i may have a new hyper in my near future. i think it's a bearing, just not sure yet. we'll see. just gotta get the servo arms on the 450 level the swash and get the head on. no prob. you guys should see this feathering shaft. i'll try and take a pic tomorrow. it's the worst i've seen one to date.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Daveyg on 09-11-2008 08:57 PM:
I have some "L" shaped feathering shafts from my B 400

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by Papa Sal on 09-12-2008 01:01 AM:
Daveyg Welcome to Team B.S. "L" shape feathering shaft? OUCHIE!!!! Me too some times But not me lately

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by chopper_crazy on 09-12-2008 02:21 AM:
well I am up to 25 straight flights now on the 450SE V2. I guess it's time to start pushing the envelope.

It's a complex, costly, glow powered anti-gravity machine!

Posted by rcmadness on 09-12-2008 04:37 AM:
Hey guys, I made it back to West Texas and I am glad to be home. We ended up driving from Corpus to Midland to avoid the airport issues in Houston. Those of you that live on the coast, good luck with it, I am a tornado guy. At least you can run from them.

Bad news was that I left Corpus without going by Ron's. We were a little concerned with the traffic and how we were going to get out so I did not take the time to go by. Come to find out we set our cruise on 70 and went straight to San Antonio without a hitch.

Ruddernate: I know how it is with the 450, I found all my parts waiting for me on the bench and I have started my rebuild with the MG65 servos.

Good luck with all your flights and it sounds like everyone is keeping them out of the dirt for the time being. Keep it up.

Edited
Well I came back in from the Garage at 12:10 a.m. and the trex is starting to look like a heli again. Still like putting in the feathering shaft and main blades. Then all I have to do is start tweaking it to get it back to the same smooth flying as before. I guess that is the one thing I do not like is chasing all the little bugs and tweaks after you rebuild. Oh well it has to be done and I learn something every time.

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Posted by ruddernate on 09-12-2008 09:31 AM:
same here. when i crash the 450 it's not so much the cost of the crash that makes me cringe, as it is losing my perfect setup. good thing is the setup is pretty simple on the little heli. the more i get to fly it the more i like how fast and nimble it is. i love my rappy but the 450 is also a blast. and i can fly it at home. new guys joining the team all the time. hope everyone's flying hard and having a blast. one more week until the SRC. can't wait.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by povern on 09-12-2008 12:49 PM:
DaveyG,

How do the blades track with the L shaped feathering shaft? I bet really good, eh?

povern

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
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vControl and Neo

Posted by rcmadness on 09-12-2008 03:39 PM:
An L shaped feathing shaft gives the heli a very unique high speed wobble. At least you could tell it from the other 450 without any problems.

Ruddernate: It doesn't look like I am going to make it to SRC. I will be in Grand Junction the week before and by the time I get home on Friday I wouldn't have enough time to get there and enjoy the weekend. I can't take vacation due to pre scheduled training that I am the trainer for. Hopefully I will be able to make Ron Lunds fun fly in Feb, I plan on scheduling vacation so I will have time to go.

All new guys to the thread: Welcome to Team Brown Stipe (Team BS).

For everyone: Has anyone seen a picture of a header tank mounted on a Trex 600n. I know it is not required for the Trex but I would like the extra fuel capacity. I have learned the hard way that once the level gets down to about 1/4", anything other than level flight can cause air to get into the fuel line and killing the engine.

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Posted by Daveyg on 09-12-2008 06:00 PM:
I'm not sure if the L feathering shaft effected the tracking since one blade was on the heli and the other was about 5 ft away I did learn somthing that day. when I first got it I landed it on it's side from 2 ft up and it cost me a set of blades, main shaft,feathering shaft and 2 servo gear sets. when I made the L feathering shaft it started 4 ft up and a big gust of wind took it strait up about 20 ft and over my head before I could get my old butt turned around it hit the ground behind me that one cost me a set of blades,main shaft, feathering shaft,2 servo gear sets and a blade holder. pretty much the same damage,but if you count the time it took to go 20 ft up then down I did get to fly longer

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by Papa Sal on 09-12-2008 06:51 PM:
#43.......my wife woke up early, but I flew anyway.....another BEAUTIFUL No. Nevada morning, winds calm, cool 50deg. Nice Then all of a sudden from out of a nearby tree.....yup a darn straling....This time I took madnesses advise....I CHASED HIM.....What a RUSH!!!!! AND I won!!!! he flew away mad this time. AAANNNNDDDD this time my wife saw it! She said wow Papa you were way out there, then she said that was cool Now my head is way toooo big for my body, somebody bring ME down please! Daveyg, take your time, and keep at it Bro the rewards are the BEST! And if you're like the rest of us you'll buy stock in main shafts, feathering shafts, and lipo batteries. oh and Main-tail rotor blades. LOL Madness, you are WAY-2-busy! Take some time to smell the nitro Bro! I've forgotten what it smells ilke RN was it what we thought? Pov, where-u- at? Have a WONDERFUL week-end everybody!

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 09-12-2008 07:02 PM:
i still haven't got the chance to check the raptor out yet, but the weekend is fast approaching. everytime i stock up on parts for my trex it's the stuff i don't expect to break that goes first. i think i need 4 or 5 parts birds. or i could fly a little safer. nah, you only live once. work is causeing my hands to hurt seriously. i'm popping the ibuprofen like candy. hope i can still fly.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Daveyg on 09-12-2008 07:42 PM:
yeah,,I keep plugging away at it. can rebuild the head blindfolded
I have been hovering around without the training gear for a few weeks.got a chance the hover my buddy's 600e last week it's just not fair to have a heli that stable I think I know where my christmas bonus is going

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by Papa Sal on 09-12-2008 08:07 PM:
HELP Boyzzzzz!!! some one stop Davey!!!! He's hooked real bad. I think we need a heli convention...er...I mean an INTERVENTION here. next thing you know he'll be snort-n nitro LOL

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 09-12-2008 08:55 PM:
He's doomed. at this time there is no known cure for heli addiction. i just got finished hovering a pack on my 450. even got woodies to track. never had that happen before. she's ready to tear up the skies again. i know what you mean on the 600's stability. when i got my raptor 50v2 after flying 450's and smaller i was amazed. it almost hovered itself. save your money cause you need to go big. large and small all heli's are a blast in their own way but you definately need one of each. (large, and small) keep plugging away at it, it only gets better. the addiction only gets worse. well i can go to work now knowing i at least have one flyable heli. weekends almost here fellas. happy flying.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 09-12-2008 09:41 PM:
Daveyg.....one more thing to know about the 600e, Great chopperr! But you'll need to take out a second mortgage for the batteries

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by rcmadness on 09-12-2008 11:00 PM:
Daveyg: Where do you fly. Park, street,flying field,

From what you have listed as your fleet you fly indoors and have started flying outside with your B400. If you have a place to fly a 50 size (600e or n)they are great, but you have to have a place to spool the big boy up.

You are very lucky since you have several hobby shops in the area that can provide anythng you want. I know I plug Aero hobbies in Lewisville alot but Andy is a great guy and he has lots of stuff. The good thing is that he sells enough stuff to keep the stock rotated and up to par with new release stuff.

If you mail order Rons in Corpus Christie has even more stuff and it is totally heli related. You don't find that very often.

See I am not trying to interveen, I am like a street corner pusher,I want you in deep very very deep. That way the more people that buy heli stuff causes the prices to come down.

Apply for a credit card if you don't have one.

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Posted by rcmadness on 09-13-2008 05:20 AM:
450 SE V2
Well boys my 450 is back in the air and I love the MG65 Hitecs they are great servos and even though they are not digital I believe the feel better than the digitals I had. The heli appears to have more cyclic authority.

Maybe we will have clear weather tomorrow and I can ring it out a little. I flew it around the drive way this evening and was very pleased. I have also switched to Fiber Glass blades (I had carbons on it)and they also fly differently. The heli seems a little more forgiving but still has good cyclic response.

High Ruddernate: Hope you had a good evening of work. I used to know what 2:30 a.m. looked like. I worked shift work for 9 years, I used to enjoy setting outside my control room drinking coffee watching the sun come up. That was a great job unless is was 18 deg outside or a thunderstorm was blowing thru.

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Posted by Daveyg on 09-13-2008 06:17 PM:
LOL!! you dont have to push I'm VERY hooked ! I fly at work in the shop when it's windy and outside when it's not,I also have a field close to my house ,and I fly with my buddy at a ballpark when it's empty.I buy alot of stuff from Andy, he is a great guy.I also race R/C dirt oval every friday night and I get there early and start watering the track and fly before it gets crouded.we "work" the track on thursday nights and a bunch of us have CX2's and we fly together after were thru with the track I'm going to go outside in a bit and try to hover a little so I can say I flew in hurricane Ike,,LOL

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by ruddernate on 09-13-2008 06:36 PM:
what's the latest on that pesky ike? hope everyone fairs well. thunderstorms here. won't complain though i'll still have a house when they're finished. good luck to all affected. now i'm going to pull the engine to check out the rappy.DaveyG sounds like you're doing rc all the time. think of the heli you could buy with the money you could make off that dirt oval car.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Daveyg on 09-13-2008 06:58 PM:
were getting rain off and on here now in the DFW area but that is supposed to pick up later. I dont look for much from it it's moving east.I'm not ready to give up my cars yet,I love to race . I'm single so I can do what I want most of the time. My house is full of R/C cars and heli's. I dragraced rc cars for about 6 years so I have about 6 or 7 of those, electric and nitro, 4 dirt oval cars and a 8th scale offroad buggy. If there is a track open in the area I'm there LOL !We travel to Tulsa pretty often,I will be there the weekend of the 27th this month for a big dirt oval race.

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by ruddernate on 09-13-2008 08:10 PM:
I remember those single days. what used to be my living room is now the man cave out back. i once overhauled a dirt bike engine in my living room. i think i would have something thrown at me if i tried that now. however if i had cable in the man cave (eventually) it's much better than the living room anyways. i've taken the raptor apart and can't find anything wrong with her. i'm wondering if the clutch gap between the bell and the clutch may be to little. do you guys think that could cause the rattle i was hearing? going to the store for better feeler guages. mine are long for checking piston gaps 16" across.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 09-13-2008 08:35 PM:
I don't know RN, have'nt had clutch experience.....yet. But in my mind you get the noise at idle, then once you throttle up it should "lock-up"???? Yes??? Is the fan shroud metal? on the hawk i think it is. I'm stumped Bro

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by Papa Sal on 09-13-2008 08:41 PM:
Wow Daveyg. Sounds like you are more than hooked Bro! Maybe you should go lie down and take two asprin and call us In the mornin...LOL....NOT... keep the whirling things up Bro and don't stop till the battery gets 80%

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 09-13-2008 08:50 PM:
the fan shroud is plastic but the clutch bell is metal. it was making the noise on spool up but was still making it a little after i lifted off. i got some lithium grease for all the bearings that's a lot better than the grease i've been using. i initially thought the one way bearing may be going but it seems fine. gonna pack everything with grease and fire her up. it's raining like all getout here so i'll be breathing the nitro in the shop for a minute. may get psychadelic and break out the guitar after that.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 09-13-2008 08:53 PM:
MMMMmmmmmmmnitroooooooo, I'll bring my Dejembe! That there is way-2 funny

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 09-13-2008 08:57 PM:
it'll be even funnier in about 30 minutes.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by rcmadness on 09-13-2008 09:07 PM:
Why do you guys think they call a muffler a "pipe". Fire it up Ruddernate and enjoy the nitro.

All joking aside,open the door. Your tough but not that tough.

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Posted by ruddernate on 09-13-2008 09:19 PM:
i hear ys. getting frustrated though. i don't mind problems when i find them, but when i have problems and nothing seems to be wrong it hacks me off. still digging and looking.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 09-13-2008 10:29 PM:
Did you just try again?????

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by atvracer on 09-13-2008 11:03 PM:
ruddernate it may be your motor bearing going out
turn the motor if it's notchy then it's the rear main bearing
if it was in the clutch bearings it would have stop after spooled up
i was thing about this right after you left

also if you need any parts let me know i going to order some stuff sunday night and we can save some $$ on shipping

well i flew my 600n today in the rain for a min. my gov. is not working right found the problem i lost the mags in the flywheel

them i hoover it in my shop for 2 tanks now i'm letting my shop air out but i got it ready

now i'm working on my vibe so next week end i'll take them both

Posted by ruddernate on 09-14-2008 12:01 AM:
the motor feels smooth when i turn it. the one way also feels fine. i got a feeler guage and the clutch seems fine. i greased everything and put back together but haven't fired it up yet. how much does a motor bearing cost , roughly. if it's not to expensive i'll go ahead and order one. everything else looks perfect so it may be that.

my laptop batt. is fixing to die. i'm out in the shop and i'll have to go in and charge. be back in a few minutes.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by atvracer on 09-14-2008 12:04 AM:
bearings are around $15 or so depend wher you get them

Posted by Papa Sal on 09-14-2008 12:06 AM:
I agree with you Racer, but I think he took the engine apart.....i think. We'll see pretty soon. Also I thought to take the pipe off and check out the cylinder walls, what do you think?

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 09-14-2008 12:56 AM:
OK i'm stumped. i had the engine off and rolled it through by hand several times and it seems smooth. i didn't hear the noise untill it had been idling a few minutes and i gave her some gas for a few seconds and let it idle again and it started. since it's not the clutch and it's not the one way, i don't know what else it could be besides the motor bearing. i'm getting some blow by coming out the exhaust. dripping. i guess i'm too rich. gotta get this thing figured out before next weekend and don't have the time during the week. atv go ahead and order me a bearing if you don't mind. i'll split the shipping. who are you ordering from? i'll pm ya.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by rcmadness on 09-14-2008 01:15 AM:
I am looking at my 50 and imagining issues and making a list. Do you think it could be coming from:

1. The pipe. If a baffle is broke it may have to warm up and expand before it starts making a noise.
2. Is there anything rubbing on the fan shroud.
3. Needle setting, this one is way out there but if the needle is too ritch it will cause it to "four stroke" and it sounds funny.
4. Since you took the clutch off did everything go back together easy, is the spacerwasher in the correct place. (Your engine may not need a spacer, some do)
5. Does anything feel different or look different than before. Starter shaft wiggle more,take more torque to turn it over, etc.
6. Did you change anything on the engine other than the clutch? Glow plug,remover carb or anything that could change how it runs.

Hope you find it soon.

Mine dribbles oil out of the exhaust when I idle it for any length of time. Seems to be the norm.

Does it run the same as before? is the motor mount adjustable and could the engine not be setting square with the main gear?

Trex-250-450se-450pro-500esp-600nitro-Predator Gasser

Posted by ruddernate on 09-14-2008 01:30 AM:
what a list madness. here goes
1.i'm thinking it may be the baffles at this point but not sure. i'm going to go back out and shake the pipe next.
2.there is a scrape on the bottom of the fan itself but it was like that when i got her.
3.i thought about the needle setting too. i'm pretty sure it's a metallic noise but there's been a couple times i thought maybe it was a loud air sound. like an engine with a turbo when the intake is way off.
4.the spacer is in and everything goes in smooth. the starter shaft spins easy and i'm pretty sure the engine is aligned perfectly. the noise continues after clutch is engaged.
5.it doesn't seem to start as quickly as before. a few times it acted like a flooded engine and i'd have to wait a few minutes and it would fire right up, but i thought it may be my glow ignitor was weak.
6.i did put a new os#8 plug in
any suggestions? i'm fixing to go take her back apart.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by atvracer on 09-14-2008 01:47 AM:
i would say its the baffle is crack after i read more

your bearing are fine

cause bad weld , running to lean, years of use or all

Posted by ruddernate on 09-14-2008 01:49 AM:
ok. is there a way to tell other than cutting her open. will she rattle if i shake it or it probably depends on how bad she's cracked huh.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by atvracer on 09-14-2008 01:59 AM:
i have a 50 pipe we'll just mount it then run it

you could remove it then tap it on some thing hard and see what it sound like it should sound firm and hollow no rattle

Posted by rcmadness on 09-14-2008 02:06 AM:
I am with atvracer on the pipe issue. You may be able to pull the muffler and see if you can reach the baffle with some sort of tool and mover it.

Is the glow plug (OS 8) the same temp you have been running, just curious It is to my understanding that glow plugs can change the timing similar to adding head shims. If it is the same temp plug as before it is not an issue.

Sounds like atvracer has a fix for you, I hope that fixes it for you.

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Posted by ruddernate on 09-14-2008 02:07 AM:
me too.
i think atv's pretty handy to have around. i owe him a few steak dinners already. put it on my tab atv.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by atvracer on 09-14-2008 02:13 AM:
noproblem that's what this hobby is all about to help other and have fun with friends and these forum are a big help

Posted by atvracer on 09-14-2008 02:16 AM:
rcmadness

i see you didn't get blow alway i hope every thing made it alright

Posted by rcmadness on 09-14-2008 02:28 AM:
Once I got out of Corpus I was doing fine. If the waves wash up here in west texas we may all be in trouble.

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Posted by ruddernate on 09-14-2008 03:07 AM:
i've seen some images that aren't pretty. what about ron's south. did it get near that area? emailed them last week and haven't heard from them.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by rcmadness on 09-14-2008 06:26 AM:
I saw where Ron's shut down until Monday but they didn't get hit with anything real bad. The should be going full force on Monday.

Hows the Raptor doing?

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Posted by ruddernate on 09-14-2008 06:48 AM:
at this point i'm guessing muffler. atv said he had one we might try. if this pans out i may be taking advice on a good pipe. i kind of hope that's what it is. that's an easy fix. just gotta wait on the mail man.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by ruddernate on 09-14-2008 07:32 PM:
hey madness why aren't you out flying? my excuse is the motogp motorcycle racing is on in a few and my dad went to indianapolis so he's there. i don't miss my motogp.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by rcmadness on 09-14-2008 09:07 PM:
Wind, wind and more wind. Gusting about 25 to 30 mph. Little too nasty for me right now.

I am working on counter tops for the kitchen, we decided to go unconventional and use 2" thick spuce for the tops. Lots of planing,biscuit joining, clamping, cussing and glue. Kinda like working on helis.

Enjoy the races.

By the way my son joined RR last night, (Tex88) he is thinking abut getting into heli's which would be pretty cool. We have always shared the same interests and it would be fun to have someone to fly with. He is trying to figure out what he wants to fly. He has a limited budget so it is a little tough. I have offered up my 450 SE (not the V2) but he hasn't decided yet. Does you Eagle 50 fly very well or would you not recommend it.

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Posted by ruddernate on 09-14-2008 09:24 PM:
i would definately not recommend it. i like it now for a real challenge inside the shop with no wind and it's still tough to hover. it's only $100 to start but i bet i've got $400 in it. cheap everything. like i said i have fun with it in the shop but wouldn't recommend if someone is learning and or wants to go outdoors with it. hook him up with the rex. give him the old family discount. good luck on the counters. just got done redoing my kitchen. lots of fun. my tile is a little easier but yours will look nice when they're done. didn't know you were the handy man.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by rcmadness on 09-14-2008 09:36 PM:
Handyman deluxe, I have most major tools and a few special ones. The older I get the less handy work I want to do.

I am trying to talk Tex88 into a b400, that is what I started on and it worked well for me. I still have a few spare parts.

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Posted by ruddernate on 09-14-2008 09:40 PM:
sounds like a plan. have you had him on the sim any?

fly it like you stole it

Posted by rcmadness on 09-14-2008 09:50 PM:
Yep, he can fly the sim and he has had a CX2 and got bored with it. He is like me and doesn't like messing with the sim. Its a great tool but it still doesn't fly just like the real thing.

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Posted by ruddernate on 09-15-2008 12:25 AM:
well i borrowed atvracer's pipe. didn't fix it. i didn't use a gasket so i'm waiting on some gasket maker to dry to eliminate the possibility that it's an exhaust leak. the noise is so loud though i don't think so. when i put my ear to the pipe it sounds like that's where it's coming from. it may be resonating from inside the engine.i'm stumped again. gonna wait for my gasket to dry and try her again. may try and do a video so you guys can hear the noise i'm talking about. the piston has a little discoloration but doesn't look damaged. hope i don't need a new engine.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by atvracer on 09-15-2008 12:46 AM:
ruddernate
remove the back cover of the motor see if the crank is rubbing the rear cover

well after you left i went back to the shop and do some painting and kept looking at my vibe sitting there so what the heck fired here up and did some test flying 20-30mph guess it was fun i still got the work on some on the radio i swtch to 2.4 i also started from a fresh setup

Posted by ruddernate on 09-15-2008 12:51 AM:
if you need help range testing or anything let me know. other than a con rod what would cause it to rub the back plate?

fly it like you stole it

Posted by atvracer on 09-15-2008 12:57 AM:
i was thinking the crank is loose from the fan then it's pushing down on the rear cover?

ya i need to do a range check before my next flight

Posted by ruddernate on 09-15-2008 01:09 AM:
let me know if ya need help. i'm going to pull the engine and backplate now. i'll update ya later.

here's what i found. i think the crank may be rubbing the back plate. but i took everything apart and tried to tighten the fan and it wasn't loose. i took everything apart,fan,clutch,start shaft, haven't got everything put back together yet. i'm going to try to see if i can pry up on everything tomorrow to get the fan a little tighter. hope this is the fix. it's definately been rubbing.sorry the pic isn't that good.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by rcmadness on 09-15-2008 05:48 AM:
All it takes is for it to touch and as things heat up they expand and cause even more problems. Sounds like something is not lining up right under the clutch. Do you have a manual for the heli to compare to. Sometimes those that have owned things before us modify or changes things up and we don't know it. Just a thought.

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Posted by ruddernate on 09-15-2008 05:51 AM:
i've replaced the clutch myself and everything seems right. also i still get the noise after the clutch engages and it engages well. i think it's in the motor somewhere and with this ring on the back plate i'm hope that's what i'm hearing. after the wife goes to bed i'll get out to the shop and keep at it. i love being a night owl.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by ruddernate on 09-15-2008 08:45 PM:
alright sorry to yak so much but i've made the noise much better. by that i mean it's much quiter now. i'm going to pry up on the crank again and tighten the fan again and hopefully it will be completely gone. it now runs without the noise except for hearing it intermitently but not much. just need to tighten everything up better i think. the old gas tank is still leaky so i'm just going to order another one. it's usable but messy. it's like having my own sr-71. got a few flights in on the 450 and really need to brush up my skills before the funfly if i fly at all. i was kinda hoping not to fix my engine so i could tell the wife i have to get a new hyper engine at the src. oh well just something else i can get i'm sure. can't wait to meet ron and the guys from hpsouth. they've been taking good care of me lately. customer of the month.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 09-15-2008 11:55 PM:
RN, where's all the metal shavings from the back plate? With the back plate off does you crank move forwards/backwards even a little? I'm not sure what the end play should be.....but maybe that is your problem? Ithink I would pull it all down and replace the bearings and piston ring, and check the play in the rod. You don't want her to freeze up invrted....yikes did i say that....sorry.

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 09-16-2008 09:20 AM:
i'm going to do some more checking tomorrow but the spot where the rubbing was happening is not really deep enough to make any shavings that would be noticeable. you can't really even feel it with your fingernail. just barely. i've been through the entire engine and didn't see any shavings or sedement. piston looks good. the crank doesn't appear to have any play, but i haven't put a mic. on it yet. i think when i got her going after the hot start incident a few times it was difficult to start. may have not had enough charge on my starter battery, but may have locked it up enough to loosen the fan a little. then while running she self tightened. not sure just guessing. i'll do some more looking tomorrow. wish me luck. also i have a question for you guys. can you still buy just a regular O.S. .50 sx motor? everywhere i've looked lately just has the hyper. i had seen the non hyper before for around $100 but now i can't find them and the hyper is more like $200.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 09-16-2008 12:55 PM:
Yeah, let me know too! that's the engine I have in Hawk. RN, why a SX instead of Hyper?

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 09-16-2008 06:14 PM:
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 09-16-2008 06:24 PM:
OH yeah

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 09-16-2008 06:26 PM:
my mastercard is getting weak at the moment. got the fun fly coming this weekend and i'm sure i'll need other things as well. not to mention the gas to get there.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 09-16-2008 08:54 PM:
you bet, gas is rising here! Big time. hey does the back plate have a gasket? Will a thicker one move it away from the crank?

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by rcmadness on 09-16-2008 09:06 PM:
ruddernate: I cannot find anything but the Hyper anywhere. Heliproz has the Hyper for $189. They may have a special at the funfly for even less.

Good luck

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Posted by ruddernate on 09-16-2008 09:07 PM:
i've thought about that too. i thought about getting some garlock and making a gasket. the old one has had it. if i can even just gain .001" i think it would help. just didn't want to do this before making sure everything else was checked. may try that in the morning. fixing to head to work. you guys have fun chattin' it up without me. i'll be breaking my back for the man.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 09-16-2008 09:18 PM:
Wait, before you go I made a GREAT muffler gasket form my rootbeer can....try that, it cuts easy with an exacto blade.....watch your fingers!

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 09-16-2008 09:38 PM:
seriously?

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 09-16-2008 09:47 PM:
Yes ...it's aluminum! And not too thick

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by rcmadness on 09-16-2008 10:26 PM:
A Bud Light can works better, unfortuanly your heli will not fly the same. It will be lathargic and swurve around all over the sky. You could be ticketed for fly with an open container.

Sorry I couldn't resist it. I just woke up from my afternoon nap and I am feeling a little funky. Been taking Zertec for my alergies and that stuff kicks my but.

The aluminum can gasket will work great. Cut out the center hole and he four screw holes, install it and bolt it up. Then trim around the parts for a perfect fit. Great idea PapaSal.

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Posted by Daveyg on 09-16-2008 11:00 PM:
the rod will always rub on the rear cover, that's what holds it on.as long as it's not digging into the cover then it's ok.

the crank has a shoulder that fits against the back side of the front bearing and you should have a collet that slides on the crank and fits against the outside of the bearing. when the fan is tight there should be no play in the crank, if there is then the bearing is worn out.

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by Papa Sal on 09-16-2008 11:09 PM:
Daveyg, I agree. Something is wrong, if you look at the pics it is digging in. I don't think it's the rod....but it might be the crank pin???? Still looking at the pic IMO

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by Daveyg on 09-17-2008 01:02 AM:
I know "planks" wear the back cover like that because most starters push on the prop when you start it.I dont know how the starter system works on his heli but the same could apply. ?? My money is on a bad bearing, I wish I could hear it

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by Papa Sal on 09-17-2008 01:23 AM:
Me Three But i agree again on the bad bearing

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by Daveyg on 09-17-2008 01:47 AM:
well,,I just added another heli to the fleet ! my buddy gave me a "phoenix CP " after looking it over I'm not so sure he likes me very much,,LOL !!!! gonna pick up a new set of blades and try it out this weekend.

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by Papa Sal on 09-17-2008 01:57 AM:
LOL ...that's funny

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by Daveyg on 09-17-2008 02:12 AM:
it's kinda "cheesy" looking
I'm thinking about heading out to the SRC saturday, my mom lives about 30 mins drive from there. I could spend the night with her then go back for the sunday show.probably should leave the credit cards at her house tho.

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by rcmadness on 09-17-2008 05:50 AM:
Whole new set of problems guys.
Ok guys take a look at these pick and see if you can tell me whats wrong. It appears that I have developed a belt rubbing issue and a head wobble all one time.

A little advise, if your bail out plan includes dodging a tree- Change your plan. I learned that little jewel this evening. I am just glad it was my V1.

Good luck with your new heli, Daveyg

Hey Papa Sal is it cooling down more out your way?

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Posted by ruddernate on 09-17-2008 09:02 AM:
hey guys. it's definately cooling down here finally. i know my pics were bad but i really don't think the crank is digging in any. i'm almost certain this is normal wear after pm's from atvracer. i may wait to see if i can get bearings at the SRC because if i order them now they may not make it in time. also looking at a good deal on a hyper engine for her anyways. DaveyG i'll be at the SRC saturday morning. i'll be the one with all the tatoos. pm me if you'd like to meet up and i'll give ya my cell. gonna stay sat. night and sunday for awhile. can't wait. do you guys know if the fan on the regular .50 is the same for the hyper 50.
hey madness watch those trees man. you may be restricted to only flying with a tree spotter from now on. anything major or just normal 450 damage? that's not the one you have the mg's on is it? just wondering how they hold up in a crash.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Daveyg on 09-17-2008 12:05 PM:
OUCH !! I've had a few trees try to sneak up on my heli but none have caught it yet it did get hit by a card table they seem to be faster than trees I like that MD-500 fuse in the background, I want to try one on my B-400

RN not sure yet if I can make it I will let ya know tomorrow.

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by rcmadness on 09-17-2008 03:08 PM:
RN- I believe the fans are the same. Surely someone will be offering a great deal on Hypers at SRC.

Daveyg- The MD500 bodies are fun but if you are really not into scale they are a pain in the butt to deal with. The trex on the bench came out of that body. I very seldom flew it so I figured I could at least use the V1 as my beater heli. As far as putting the B400 in it you would have to add a bigger motor, esc and 3000mah 25c battery to make it fly. (IMHO)

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Posted by Daveyg on 09-17-2008 03:21 PM:
I like the "fun scale" stuff. I figured I would have to up-grade the motor in the 400. since I just mainly putt around the sky I want to get a 600 to fly and build the 400 into a scale.If you deside you want to get rid of it let me know

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by Papa Sal on 09-17-2008 05:50 PM:
Ouch Madness!! i've heard of kite eating trees, but...... Daveyg you'll love a fun scale ship, my friends Paul and his Brother Charlie bolth have them, they're cool to watch! great orientation in the sky #44 today boyzzzzzz, yes it's getting cloudy and cooler. BOY clouds and white canopies are not a good combo! I lost orientation twice...Thank God I remembered which way I was turning, brought her closer to me and was fine.....so I practiced nose-in's. Gettin ready to try take-off's in all directions. Hey Madness, did Tex get a heli yet?

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by Daveyg on 09-17-2008 07:11 PM:
Papa I didnt know you can take off in all directions,, mine lands in all directions, airframe here one blade this way and another blade that way LOL!!!

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by ruddernate on 09-17-2008 07:36 PM:
that's funny right there.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by rcmadness on 09-17-2008 08:13 PM:
Well my V1 is back in the air I test flew it a minute ago and she even seems to fly better. I also found out that I was missing a spacer on the freathering shaft which may have been causing an issue.
Equipment damaged:
Tail boom.
Tail belt. stiped a tooth.
tail rotor shaft
Hs 55 servo. Mostly the gears but the whole servo is only $15.
feathering shaft.
Blades. woodies that I have now replaced with FG. they auto better.
$27 worth of pride.

Papa Sal- Tex has backed off the heli for now. He is a poor college student that wants something cheap to keep him from being bored. I re-explained to him that helis wern't cheap and 1 crash can set you back some big change. He has decided to wait until he graduates in December then we will talk helis. Bottom line was he wanted to show pops up by flying better. (Pops has the money to fly so I win this round)

That is funny Davegy- I found a section of blade between my windshield and hood this morning from my crash last night.

Ruddernate- have you got your bags packed and your 450 in the car????

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Posted by ruddernate on 09-17-2008 08:19 PM:
i'm an old harley rider so i can pack in about 30 seconds. just got done flying the 450 so now i'll charge all my batteries when i get off tonight. atvracer told me to bring my rappy to him today and when he gets off work he's gonna check her out. don't you wish you had friends like that. so i'm taking it to the heli shop. getting phyched about the src. never been to a ff before. to see the lineup they have i can't wait. the 450 is flying well. i flew once without the spacer in the 450 you're talking about and it flew like a turd. i also got the red stiff dampeners last time i had her apart and like them a lot.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 09-17-2008 08:26 PM:
Scuse me "Orientations"......LOL Have fun this week end Gents, don't forget to stock up on stickers! You know bring more Brothers into the club

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by Papa Sal on 09-17-2008 08:30 PM:
Hey madness, the reason I asked is I might want to sell the MX450. Once I get hawk finished, then i'll want to get my T-Rek up to snuff. Let me know Bro. I'll sell her less the gyro/RX. She's a great first ship

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 09-17-2008 09:33 PM:
isn't that like selling one of your children. shame shame. just kidding. when i had to sell my first 450 i hated it but helped move on the bigger and better things. well off to work i go. good luck atvracer.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by rcmadness on 09-18-2008 02:49 AM:
Well I ain't havin not luck at all. I had a mechanical failure on the beater 450 and she went nose in from about 15'. Looks like a failed servo caused the crash. At least it wasn't dumb thumbs again.

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Posted by Daveyg on 09-18-2008 03:02 AM:
Bummer hate to hear that. is that a miss print or are you realy running HS-55's on that thing ? I have some of those and they look way too small.

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by rcmadness on 09-18-2008 05:31 AM:
Nope I run HS55's on my beater 450. They fit perfectly and generally do a good job. They do not handle crashes very well but they are cheap enough. The mechanical failure was my fault after all. The other day when I hit the tree I thought I had two servos that were stripped. When I check further the one that appeared to be striped seemed ok and I didn't change it. I found out this evening that it was actually bad and it is what hung and force the heli into a nose dive.

Live and learn. I have them all pulled and fresh gears ordered. They will all be rebuilt before I try it again.

I guess it is a part of flying heli's, it just seems I have had my fair share of crashes. 3 in two weeks is enough.

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Posted by Daveyg on 09-18-2008 05:58 AM:
well,, they say everything comes in "three's" so you should be good to go for awhile

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by atvracer on 09-18-2008 01:56 PM:
hi all

well I got RN noise figure out it's the big bearing in the motor when turn it over with the piston in by hand it would fee nice but when pull the piston out then spin it it's notch and rough so he need new set of bearings and he will be good to go

Madness I like new your boom set up does help when you turn it must be tough to get the belt a lined up right
Sorry to here your bad luck but look at it in the bright side like what Daveyg said sh_t comes in 3 so your good to go

HI Daveg welcome to this forum I’m also new with this group guys


atv
Posted by rcmadness on 09-18-2008 02:53 PM:
That is great that you found the issue with RN's engine. Surely you guys can pick up a set of bearings at SRC.

Atv and Daveyg- Do you plan on flying at the event or are you just going to spectate? I have never been to a fun fly but it would appear the smaller the better for actual flying and the Bigger the better for spectating and buying heli stuff.

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Posted by Daveyg on 09-18-2008 03:42 PM:
I've never been to a FF either. If I get to go I will take my stuff but probably just watch and learn
If I do go I'm counting on RN to help NOT spend a bunch of money

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by ruddernate on 09-18-2008 05:32 PM:
we'll have to help each other. at least i'll only be looking at bearings and not a motor. atvracer's not going to make it so it'll be just be the wife and i. thanx atv for checking her out for me. i'll just mainly be taking the birds to have them but probably won't fly much. may fly the 450 around some but i'll be working on the rappy. daveyg we can form a no spending support group. when you get the shakes come find me and i'll do the same. can't wait to see some of the pro's fly. i'll probably just hang out all weekend with the aurora girls. JK , don't tell my wife i said that.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Daveyg on 09-18-2008 05:43 PM:
MMmmmm,, Aurora girls that gives me the shakes just thinking about them LOL!!!

RN be sure to bring a heat gun and plenty of carb cleaner to change those bearing with.

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by ruddernate on 09-18-2008 05:46 PM:
10-4. may need some help. i've never done it before. changed many bearings but most of them were at least a foot across. i usually use a rosebud to heat with and nitrogen to cool. not sure i can round up the nitrogen to bring. i have a good heat gun i'll bring. may turn the hotel room into a work shop.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Daveyg on 09-18-2008 06:00 PM:
it's easy, just strip the motor heat it up then tap it on a piece of wood and they fall out. if they dont it aint hot enough. clean the heck out of everything then heat it again then I usaly put the outer bearing in then put the inner bearing on the crank and slid them in give it a little tap with a screwdriver handle and your done.the only thing you have to watch for is to make sure you dont put the piston in backwards

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by ruddernate on 09-18-2008 06:07 PM:
sounds easy enough. i'll give it a go. can't wait to get there. gonna sleep on the way while the wife drives. i'll wake up in heli paradise.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by povern on 09-18-2008 06:31 PM:
After waiting 20days to have the USPS deliver the 600e showed up yesterday, put it together and hovered in the driveway.

Smooooooottttthhhhhh.

BBBBBBIIIIIIIGGGGGGG!!!!!!

Got a brwon streak just hovering it.

Where are you guys meeting to go flying?

povern

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
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Posted by ruddernate on 09-18-2008 06:37 PM:
Mt. pleasant,Texas. i don't think anyone else has confirmed going yet. i'll try and have enough fun for everyone. finally got the bird huh. did you take out a second mortgage for those batteries. what batt. are you running. i sure like the low maintenance of the electrics. like the nitro too though. just wish it was easier to score fuel around here. we need pics and/or video. congrats on the new bird. you sure got her together quick.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 09-18-2008 07:56 PM:
Congrats Povern You'll LOVE that bird! Have fun RN, Congrats to you too! Glad you found your noise!Madness, have a great weekend! Atv & Daveyg-2

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by atvracer on 09-19-2008 01:04 AM:
hey ruddernate if you see Jerry ask him where's my Rave

all you guys that are going have a fun trip i wish i didn't have to work


atv
Posted by ruddernate on 09-19-2008 12:34 PM:
will do. they're giving one away at the fun fly. i may have one before you do. i'm never that lucky. thanx for your help. i'll talk to you guys after the funfly.have a great weekend. i know i will.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by rcmadness on 09-20-2008 11:07 PM:
Just keeping the thread alive till everyone gets back.

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Posted by Papa Sal on 09-21-2008 12:18 AM:
I'm here!!!!!!!!!!! #47 and tired of the wind! Oh well I guess I deserve it since I live in the desert How U doin Madness?

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 09-21-2008 03:08 AM:
hey guys , i couldn't leave you behind so i brought the laptop. i had a great time today at the ff. other than running on about 2 hours sleep it was awesome. lots of killer pilots. got my pic with CY saw lots of crashes. flew the 450 all day and no crashes. stayed inverted longer than ever. almost 1 minute. had to calm down for about 30 minutes afterwards. noone had bearings for my motor. i asked a guy beside us if he had bearings because he flew a raptor and he said no. about 3 hours later his bearings on his motor went out. it was a hyper 50 and was only 1 month old. apparently this is a problem with the os. and we got to talking about how out of all the ff's OS is never there. they'll take the motor and rebuild it for you and seem to have good service but why aren't they at the ff's? anyways, just wanted to fill in you guys on my day. never seen so many helis and so many awesome pilots.picked up some fuel, now i just need a motor to burn it with. Curtis was doing blade stops from so high you couldn't see the bird. he even stopped the blades completely inverted and fell forever restarted and stopped them a second time on the way down. regular autos are apparently so last year.wish you guys could be here. i'll have some pics and vids when i get back. rr also handed crazy me the microphone and let me yak while the camera was on. i don't think i broke the camera but if there's no vid on rr you'll know why.also had a great turbine seminar. all in all an awesome day. we'll go back in the morning for more fun.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by rcmadness on 09-21-2008 06:22 AM:
Ruddernate- Your didn't tear up when you met Curtis did you???? Sounds like you are having a blast, enjoy and keep us informed on how things are going.

Hey Papa Sal- Yep I am still here, I joined the local flying club today and spent all day flying with a bunch of airplane guys. I had a good time and found a couple that were interested in helis.

Trex-250-450se-450pro-500esp-600nitro-Predator Gasser

Posted by hovercraft on 09-21-2008 06:31 AM:
Posted by ruddernate on 09-21-2008 10:39 PM:
just got back home. i had to fight the tears back. rarely will you see someone who flys as smooth as cy. you could tell when he talked about it he is genuinely impressed by his new machine. some awesome flying both days. will definately make it a yearly thing. should be lots of great vid from mark. he was right in the action with his cameras. my vids suck but i'll try and put some up.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by rcmadness on 09-21-2008 11:40 PM:
Glad to here you made it home Ruddernate: Was the Rave as great as everyone says its going to be? How was Curtis, I have heard he is a super nice guy and will visit with you if he has time.

By the way I am parting out my 450 V1. You guessed it I tail slid it into the dirt again because I was too tight to buy a decent set of servos. (HS 55's just don't get it). Anyway I would appreciate a little help keeping my sale items on top of the board for a while.
http://www.runryder.com/t461419p1/?top=1222036473

Thanks

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Posted by ruddernate on 09-21-2008 11:57 PM:
the rave was very smooth. had a great demo pilot as well.(CY) you could tell he really likes the machine. the manual was very impressive as well. color coded with great pics. even color coded the parts. it will not disappoint. i've never seen autos like he was pulling off. double blade stops. wow his ba(*s are brass. top notch guy too. very personable and friendly.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by ruddernate on 09-22-2008 03:33 AM:
here ya go atvracer. there was some guy telling everyone about this little orange heli. don't know who he was but he sure knew a lot about that little thing.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by atvracer on 09-22-2008 03:43 AM:
glad you had a good time did you get my Rave ????????????

as for bearings os and YS has the same problem these motors make to much HP and the fuel well rust the bearing if your not carefull

as for CY he is a hell of a nice guy

Posted by ruddernate on 09-22-2008 03:48 AM:
curtis was getting ready to fly when i took the pic so he was in a hurry but he was really nice to everyone. i gotta start popping up my collar like him.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Daveyg on 09-22-2008 05:22 PM:
well I didnt get to go, I got kiddnaped and taken to Tulsa,Ok to practice for the national finals this coming weekend.sounds like RN had alot of fun, where are all the pics and video RN ?

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by ruddernate on 09-22-2008 07:07 PM:
i'll get some pics up tonight. the vids i took are tough to watch. it's hard for me to film helis. can't keep up and they always look like a little dot. ordered a new hyper 50. be here sometime this week. can't wait to break it in. there was a logo 6 flying this weekend and i mean to tell you that thing was a speed demon. i'd never seen a heli that fast. huge loops and circles that looked like at least 100 mph. very impressive. my camera was to slow so i got a lot of video of the texas sky. i'll put a couple of the best ones up but mark's vids will be much better.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 09-22-2008 10:36 PM:
CY...makes me giddy like a school girl boys! Glad you had a GREAT time RN. Good to be home too I bet? Hey Atv, how do we keep the bearings from rusting? I haven't got any fuel yet ,but I have been puting light oil through my OS 50SX. Will that help? I don't think it has been running for a while.

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by atvracer on 09-23-2008 04:06 AM:
sal

the best way is never stop flying then the bearings don't have tme to rust

sorry run the motor dry completely out of fuel then add a few drops marval oil then turn it over. alcohol absorb mosture witch will make bearings rust but these 50 are prone to fale bearing mostly there to small and sping 16000+ rpm and making 2+ HP i have found trying ceramic or stainless bearing don't help ceramic is to expensive
and still fale and stainless just doint hold up just get a good steel with a plastic inter race 10-15 bucks and change them at frist sine of getting rough or notchy or at the bigging of the flying season

hope this helps
Posted by rcmadness on 09-23-2008 05:13 AM:
Hey guys I am back on this side of the board again. Answering PMs about parts for sale can take a little time.

So:
Ruddernate, buy them kids a bigger pool, I liked your pics. You have lots of toys like me.

ATVracer- are ya sorry you missed SRC, that could have been you in the pic with Ruddernate. I know it made me jelous. I wold have went but after this past months traveling and my schedule for the next two weeks I just could not bring myself to drive 450 miles, not even to meet Curtis.

Hey Papa sal and Daveyg- how is everthing in your neck of the woods. PS get some fuel to burn in that heli. Heck I would be trying to run Everclear and weedeater oil if I had to wait as long as you have. Dave did you enjoy Tulsa, I get lost in that city everytime I go there.

Ok Povern you started this thread and we havn't heard from you in a while.

Have a great week, I am headed to Guyman Oklahoma for a couple of days. I have my maps to the hobby shops in amarillo.

Trex-250-450se-450pro-500esp-600nitro-Predator Gasser

Posted by ruddernate on 09-23-2008 09:05 AM:
yeah povern started all this craziness. now i think he just sits back and laughs at us. i've heard from a few people now that these bearings are trouble. i've also heard people who use all different fuels have the same problems. small bearings for 2 horsepower and we do like to abuse them. can you imagine working the throttle on your car engine like we do in the helis. i was definately starstruck when i met curtis. i didn't know what to say. put a movie star in front of me and i'll have no problem but curtis had me tounge tied. i picked up some wildcat 30% gonna give that a try. i'll be running it in my new hyper .50 when it comes in this week. can't wait

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Daveyg on 09-23-2008 06:20 PM:
yeah OS has had a problem with bearings for awhile now, but there still good motors. you just need to make sure everything is balanced and plan on changing them often. RN I have a truck headed to wynniewood so better stay off the main roads,LOL!!

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by ruddernate on 09-23-2008 07:15 PM:
if it's full of nitro just divert the load to sulphur. atv and i will help unload.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by povern on 09-23-2008 08:33 PM:
Hey, I'm here, I'm just licking my wounds. Had the dumbest crash yet this weekend. Coming straight towards me, I dumb thumbed it over, and when I saw it was going in, I moved the sticks more in the same direction. Leanred this from all the time on the sim trying to learn FBF.

Go the 600e in the air, man what a beast, screas the cr*p out of me whenever those blades spin up. RN, so far the 611 is the shizzle, I know you were waiting to hear about that, but the tail is rock solid, even in high winds. Will let you know how it holds in a Piro Flip in a couple years.

I would contribute more, I read this thread 2-3 times a day, but I know nothing about Nitro engines and you guys seem to have that bearing issue under control.

I'm here, just wondering how I can get the bride to spring for airplane tickets to join you guys flying.

povern

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
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Posted by Papa Sal on 09-23-2008 09:25 PM:
Madness, I have a lot of rubbing alcohol,hmmmmmmm??? I wonder???? Pov, good to hear from you, sorry about your latest yeah that big 600e spoolin up is waaaaayyyy scary, but OH so cool

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by rcmadness on 09-23-2008 09:53 PM:
The 600 is a big heli if you are not used to it. The first time I fired mine up I did know whether to fly it or run from it.

Trex-250-450se-450pro-500esp-600nitro-Predator Gasser

Posted by Daveyg on 09-23-2008 11:09 PM:
I did the same thing when I hovered my buddy's 600, but when it lifted off all the fear went away, it turned to SHOCK,!!! LOL!!!

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by Papa Sal on 09-24-2008 01:23 AM:
Gotta love BIG heli's. I think my next chopper will be a gasser A BEEEEG one...... 720+mm....question is....which one?????

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by rcmadness on 09-24-2008 01:45 AM:
Not to spoil your fun but have you priced expendable parts for a Gasser. I think Harley Davidson is making the parts. If you find a cheap one let me know.

Trex-250-450se-450pro-500esp-600nitro-Predator Gasser

Posted by ruddernate on 09-24-2008 11:47 AM:
i think the gassers have a place. i've been studying and it is and economical way of flying if you look at it. for one it's only $4 a gallon. wow! and another reason is an onboard generator can keep your electronics going even if your charge is low. self maintained. fuel cost and many other reasons make me lean this direction. other than the power factor. from what i gather the gasser will still have a little less power than the glow, however, people flying the gassers are wondering why the rest of us haven't caught up yet. so it makes me want to study more on the gassers. the flight times and self proficiency alone is enough to make me raise an eyebrow. not to mention glow fuel cost. still, i can't wait to get my new hyper in. can't wait for my new engine. now i need advice on tuning. come on guys lets hear those tuning tips. break in how rich, how long , how many tanks? let's hear it. Povern, if you get a plane ticket, i'll meet ya, anywhere anytime, i'm ready to throw down my mad heli skills. JK but i'll crash something if it'll make your trip worth it.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by povern on 09-24-2008 12:15 PM:
rn, if you are lookijng for a gasser I know where there is a Berga with a brand new motor, and muffler, went through a big crash, but you can get the basics pretty cheap.

But the parts, holy crap! everything is very pricy. I was going to get a gasser, untill I realized that I crash way too much to fix them.

povern

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by atvracer on 09-24-2008 01:37 PM:
i have a gasser i'll sell ya 810MM blades 26CC motor lots of power with the camera gear on it its around 25 pounds lifts it with no problem but you don't fly it the same as you would a 90s,50s size heli with it fully loaded you got to fly it like a real heli don't come straight down from a hover always want to come down in a forward flight but with the camera stuff off it's fly great it just big and still heavy if your just into sport flying gasser is the way to go it's cheap to fly they fly very good just not a great 3D'er and parts can get high about the same for the 90's

NOW I want to get it going aging i had a big crash it's 99% fix just needs fine turning Took it to far and the wind was blowing around 30+ mph with a camera gear on (had a photo job) flew it over some trees and had a down draft on the other side of the trees the heli went nose in not sure if it was some thing failed or the wind it was very windy and i was about 1/8 to a 1/4 mile away

Posted by Papa Sal on 09-24-2008 01:39 PM:
I'm NOT crashing anymore....I'm not crashing any less either I just like the idea of flying ALL day, well as long as the TX battery last anyway. But they sure are big and beautiful and you won't loose oreintation to easy. Hmmmmmmm

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by atvracer on 09-24-2008 01:54 PM:
i learned one thing never say this is my last flight for the day or one more time because you will go home with a crash treat your last flight like it was your first for the day also when flying and getting board or flying stupid land not to get mixed up with pushing your self but getting to daring or showing off or like what RN always say fly it like you stole it

Posted by ruddernate on 09-24-2008 07:18 PM:

fly it like you stole it

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 09-25-2008 05:45 PM:
Hello everyone,
Well I'm a total newbie and rcmadness has been helping me tune out some little problems that I had with my t-rex. Well anyways just wanted to say hi to everyone and I hope that I can be of help to some of yall. I don't know how much help I'll be to anyone since I just started flying 3 days ago with only 24 flights and a little forward flight but anything I can do please ask. Well this message is getting too long so thanks for the help and have fun flying!

Thanks,

Eric.
Posted by Daveyg on 09-25-2008 05:55 PM:
You picked a good spot to land all the guys on here are a little crazy but will jump in to help any they can.

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 09-25-2008 06:23 PM:
That's really great, thanks!! Do you guys have any tips for forward flight? Anything to look for or how to keep from stalling in forward flight?
Posted by Papa Sal on 09-25-2008 10:12 PM:
WELCOME OH-6 Daveyg's right we all is heli crazzzzzzy What T-rex ya flyin?

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 09-26-2008 12:02 AM:
It's a 450 SE, I'm planning on getting phoenix to train for 3D what do you guys think about that one? I used FMS, I know not a good sim but I used it for about three weeks and than just couldn't wait anymore so I started flying the real thing monday and so far it's a learning experience everytime I take her out!! I was telling rcmadness that today was my 24th flight and also tried a little forward flight and turns. I just couldn't believe how fast it moved. One second it was hovering nicely and after a little stick input it just took off. But all was good and no crashes yet can't wait to fire up the raptor 50 let alone the 90 lol. Do you guys have any tips for forward flight?
Posted by rcmadness on 09-26-2008 01:59 AM:
Make sure you can hover in all four directions first. Trust me you will automatically learn fast forward flight and hard banking turns while you are learning nose in.

To be honest you don't have to be real good at nose in for FFF. I could FFF before I could actually nose in hover. With he heli moving forwand the nose in is different, to me anyway.

Good luck.

Trex-250-450se-450pro-500esp-600nitro-Predator Gasser

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 09-26-2008 02:17 AM:
Yeah I know what you mean I didn't have any problem controlling it when it was coming back, a little worried about the trees right next to it but otherwise didn't mind. I'm a little skeptical about nose in but for some reason it's a lot harder when it's on it's side! Did you have any problems with flying it sideways?
Posted by povern on 09-26-2008 02:50 AM:
24 Flights in 3 days, how many chargers do you have?

Learn the 4 hovers first, while doing this you will learn FF.

To keep it from going fast during FF, pull back on the sticks.hehehehehe

Take your time, your moving fast, bust twice I got in front of myself, then I had to go back to the basics. Stop and really learn the basics, then when you start flipping it around like a skirt in the wind, you will pick it up much faster.

I use RF 3.5, but contemplating moving to Phoenix, only because that is what everyone else on the other site uses. And supposedly the physics engine is more for Helis then other SIMS. It is also much easier on the computer, you won't need a system that the national weather service uses for Hurricane predictions.

Maybe you wanna buy my RF?

povern

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
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vControl and Neo

Posted by rcmadness on 09-26-2008 04:31 AM:
I didnt have any problems with it sideways but when that stinkin nose turns towards me I get all nervous and I still do. I understand it just takes time and one day it will really click.

Funny thing is, i can fly across in front of me, bring it nose in on my right or left and land nose in. It is just when it is directly in front that I have problems.

I believe it is a truely mental thing for me. My son learned to fly a CX2 nose in from the get go and he has trouble with tail in stuff. (when he was flying, he dropped the hobby due to cost until he is out of school.)

Trex-250-450se-450pro-500esp-600nitro-Predator Gasser

Posted by rcmadness on 09-26-2008 04:42 AM:
Thinking about slipping over to the dark side.
Ok guys, ever since last weekend when I joined the local flying club and spent the day at the field. I have been considering buying a plane. I have parted out one of my 450's due to fact I was not willing to put expensive servos on a second heli when I have a decked out 450 setting on the bench.

So I have the money (also sold my varmit hunting high seat this evening) and I am considering checking around the club for a used Gasser sport plane. My question is have I lost my mind or should I go for it and enjoy both hobbies.

I flew planks for about a year when I lived in Ca and money was the limiting factor at the time. Now my kids are grown and doing there own thing and the money is starting to free up a little bit.

It also gives me something to look forward to when I return from my many road trips. I am just not sure I should try to cross back and forth from planes to heli's. Any thoughts from my support group.

Trex-250-450se-450pro-500esp-600nitro-Predator Gasser

Posted by Daveyg on 09-26-2008 05:04 AM:
I say go for it I race RC dirt oval and offroad and learning to fly the heli. all three take alot of consentration, I get my CX2 out and float around the shop and it's kinda relaxing.I bet a "plank" would be the same.I also bet I get "flamed" by some plank pilot for that statment LOL!!

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by ruddernate on 09-26-2008 09:14 AM:
hello to all the new guys. definately agree with povern. take it slow. learn all orientations. when you open her up in fff under control it'll be worth the wait. the times i've pushed to fast, even with a few crashless outings, it always ends with a heli on the workbench in peices. fms isn't to bad. i used it forever. hey madness, i'm fixing to buy a tower hobbies .50 trainer plane. i flew atv's and it was a blast. so relaxed, not like the helis. it's like comparing apples to oranges. i'll always love the helis more but can't wait to get the plank "for the wife"

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 09-26-2008 04:48 PM:
Pov......."Skirt in the wind"????? hmmmmmm, that there is funny OH-6 yeah slow er down Bro, That's the hard part. You may want to put some "EXPO" in your TX to help with small stick movements. Try taking off nose-in, just as good as your tail in, you'll find that sideways will follow easy. I still have a problem with left hand sideways....our just flying left circuits. Practice, practice, practice MADNESS!!!!! I am your FATHER come to the DARK side. 33% YAK w/100cc desert aircraft gasser. go to RN's house fire up the clearview sim and FLY IT. You'll hover.......second flight! What a blast! big hlei's - big planks...just fly better!

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 09-26-2008 05:22 PM:
AGREED I started to get too over confident and suddenly I got disoriedted and almost crashed, so I'm sticking with basics for now! Anyways I started noticing some constant tail wag and thought it was the gain setting so I started messing with the controller and couldn't get it right. Well it turns out that some of the teeth in the belt were missing and that's what I believe was causing the wag. By the way how often should the belts be changed in this 450 size heli's?
hey rc madness you should totally go for the airplane, I want to get one of those hobbico nexstars you can find them really cheap and everyone that flies them seem to love'em!!

Oh by the way Povern, I really don't know what you're trying to say but I have 4 batteries and it was actually 4 days. It was the first time I flew forward flight and I just didn't imagine they could move so fast, but anyways thanks for the advice I will without a doubt slow it down.
Posted by atvracer on 09-26-2008 10:18 PM:
rcmadness

you trader just kidding infact i just got a 34% 104" 104CC twin extra the other day to go with my 30% Yak and my 27% extra i got more planes then i got helis i still can't choose what i like better helis or planes they both have there place so go for it do both and enjoy

OH-6 Cayuse go as fast as your brain can handle but some time you just need you brain adsorb what It trying to learn
But it sound like your doing very well but you my need to try to slow down a little and learn more of the basics I did what your doing and did very well at first but Its started to cost me a lot of $$ so I went back a few steps but hey keep up the good work

Posted by Papa Sal on 09-27-2008 01:44 AM:
Atvracer...still got that gasser? How do you like her?

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by rcmadness on 09-27-2008 02:33 AM:
100 cc gasser plane, sounds good to me, I flew 40 and 60 size planes in ca but the wind did not blow as hard as West Texas. Maybe my wife will let me get a pet monkey to ride in the plane.

Ok back down to earth, I do not want a trainer due to the diherdral in the wing, I have already been down that road and the minimum I will buy will be the Hanger 9 ultrastick and maybe in the 120 size. I am going to check with the local guys and see if anyone has something slightly used for sale. A 25cc gasser would be great but I bet they are hard to find.

Ruddernate, talk to atvracer about the ultra stick, since you fly helis the ultra stick may be a better choice. It is pretty forgiving and will do aerobatics. You can also set it up with flaps for short take offs and landings. I had a 70 4 stroke saito on my 40 ultra stick and it would hang in the air like it was on a hook.

Anyway back to helis, I am not flying this weekend. I have started tearing out and replacing the kitchen counter tops and until that gets put back I am on the hook.

Trex-250-450se-450pro-500esp-600nitro-Predator Gasser

Posted by Papa Sal on 09-27-2008 05:03 PM:
Kitchen counter tops How ya gonna fly those??? I smell a new stick????? hhhhmmmmmm????

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by rcmadness on 09-28-2008 05:37 AM:
Flying a kitchen cabinet.
Well papa sal when you wife is on your A$$ you can fly about anything. I have been putting her off for way to long on remodeling the kitchen. So I can give up a weekend to do what I said I would. She has offered a reprieve on Sunday thou. She said I could fly while the polyurethane was drying and she would be cool with that.
Quite frankly I have been to stinkin tired to fly, manual labor it tough on a 44 year old guy that has a desk job.

ATVracer: Is a Cap 232 with a 26cc gasser too much for a guy that hasn't flow planes in a while. I ran across a decent deal on it and I am considering making the purchase. I figure I could turn down the rate and get a little help from the local club president to get me back on my feet. I have been flying the sim and I can keep one similar to it in the air and land ok. Heck I figure if I can keep the 600n in the air and do fff on it a plank would be a breeze. Any thoughts.

Trex-250-450se-450pro-500esp-600nitro-Predator Gasser

Posted by Papa Sal on 09-28-2008 03:57 PM:
Get it!!!!!!!! You're a seasoned heli pilot......YOU my Brutha can fly ANYTHING!

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by povern on 09-28-2008 06:05 PM:
To Papa Sals point:

Anyone else notice that when farting around on the sim, and choose a plane. it just seems really easy, after flying the heli for months?

I remember just trying to get the Yak up and turn around and land it. Haven't touched it for 3 months, in the last week, I have been landing, knife edges, slow stall run over the runway, etc.

Not saying I'm an expert, not even saying I'm good, but it sure seems easier after flying a heli.

povern

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
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vControl and Neo

Posted by Papa Sal on 09-28-2008 06:47 PM:
Yeah, try to hover it Pov! You'll get a kick out of it. I'll admit I want a large yakity YAK toooooo

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by rcmadness on 09-29-2008 12:43 AM:
My new park flyer.
Well boys my wife said it was ok if I bought a little park flyer since I worked sooooo hard on the cabinets this week end. I knew a guy that is getting out of RC for a while and went by to see what he had. He had a little 26cc park flyer that I could afford so I went ahead and bought it. My wife is a little concerned that the children at the park could be in danger when I flew but I reasured her that it was a really small plane and it would hurt them if they ran out of the way.

Tell me what you think.

Trex-250-450se-450pro-500esp-600nitro-Predator Gasser

Posted by ruddernate on 09-29-2008 03:00 AM:
nice plane madness. i'm jealous. think i'm going to get a trainer and put my old os50 in it. started breaking in the new hyper engine today and i'm liking it. got to cocky with the 450 again and crashed her. no biggy. typical 450 stuff. was coming in from up high and turning while pulling up hard and she just stalled. all my mg's held this time. smacked her hard but damage was minimal. i really like the hyper and atvracer was helping me tune her in. if you guys with your planes are going to the dark side than atvracer is Darth Vader. he has a bunch of those double winged thingys. one of them was clocked on radar at 138 mph. he flew it today and it is fast. after we all flew today i went up in a 2 seater ultralight with my friend and we were skimming the alfalfa at about 100mph. flew around the house i grew up in and buzzed all my old fishing holes. temp. was perfect and the soft orange sun was going down in the purple sky and it was nice. made for a great day. almost forgot we had a dust devil pick up my canopy before i staked her down and flipped it destroying it. i think i'm one of the few that has hovered their canopy. all in all a great day. hope you guys had as much fun this weekend.i tried putting some src vid up but they are to large to put on rr. if you pm me your email i'll email some vids and pics to you guys.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 09-30-2008 04:13 AM:
IT'S......IT'S......ALIVE!!!!WAAAAHHHHHAAAAHAHAAA!!!!! And I've got pictures to prove it I've also got tons o questions too. O.K. I know the engine isn't tuned in yet....the swash is a little off but the one big question is: Do your nitro birds sound like a washing machine? Maybe not enough head speed but she was really shaking(so was I). but even with the engine off and you spinn up the main by hand, it sounds like noise from the main gear to the tail shaft...or it's in the tail shaft. Hawk does not have a torque tube drive. it's a little wire inside the shaft tube. Is there a middle baring inside that needs grease? I don't have a heat gun yet so I didn't lean her out very much from two turns out. Did you guys use thread lock on your muffler bolts? Mine loosened up twice I thought the heat would just cook it off. I don't have a govenor either. So what's your throt. curves? Mine is 17,37,68,88,95. Should I use 100%? Is it nesesary with the flying we do? Any way Yes I had a wonderful maiden....I thought,everything else worked flawles,even my turkey bastor fuel filler. ( I'm off to the LHS to get a real one). It took me half an hour to fill half a tank ( That's in the pic). And yes those are an offical pair of Team Brown Streak Undies next to Hawk on the work table Madness your lil Edge looks great! Have fun with that. Rn Sorry to hear about the 450 again I'll pm you with my email. That flight sounds like it was wonderful!......I love you fly, and anything that does fly

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 09-30-2008 09:00 AM:
congrats papa sal. your pitch curves will be specific to you. are you flying in normal mode only or do you have a st1 and st2? as far as your tail drive, i have no experience with that kind of drive. your muffler bolts, you should tighten them, then after they are heated from running and then cooled you should tighten them once again. that's how i do mine, after the second time you should be good to go. sounds like quite the fuel fill system you have. 30 minutes to fill half a tank, that's determination. my 450 has became my abused bird. i fly it like a toy, but right before my crash was the most fun i've had with it to date. just pushed her to hard. learned yet another limit. how else do you know your limits unless you push them to the max. got everything i need and i'll put her together when i wake up. hope you can get some good advice from everyone on your tweeking papa sal. i'm afraid i'm not much help. congrats though and have fun.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Daveyg on 09-30-2008 06:45 PM:
been kinda dead in here. HELLO HELLO !! this thang on ?

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by Papa Sal on 09-30-2008 07:09 PM:
Where ya been Daveyg? Yeah RN, normal mode for now........

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 09-30-2008 07:10 PM:
my schedule keeps me to about one post a day. i miss the live back and forth talking. you guys need to just stay up till i get off at 2:30am. how's the flying going DaveyG?Some SRC action

http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/6035...29_6FeWg/Medium
working on getting some pics and vids up. here's jamie in the grass.

and Dylan with his vibe
http://www.vimeo.com/1800499

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Daveyg on 09-30-2008 09:05 PM:
I havn't been flying in abut a week, was flying in the parking lot at work and was bringing it down when a driver pulled up in his car next to the heli between me and it, next thing I herd was blades hitting the ground . I spent all my extra money on fuel and tires for the racecar so it will be next week before it's up again.I did have fun at the races this weekend in broken arrow,Ok felt good to be up on the podium getting my envelope full of money big 30 bucks,LOL!!!

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by ruddernate on 09-30-2008 09:09 PM:
every little bit helps. i would've had to put a knot on the guy's head that parked in between you and the heli. some people don't get it. hope you get her going soon. well , hi ho , hi ho it's off to work i go.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by povern on 09-30-2008 10:40 PM:
Around here it has been perfect flying weather, no wind cool.

My Gallery has come pics in it now. Someone on this thread was complaining about that.

Did anyone here see the article in RC Heli magazine about retracts? I lover the idea they show with the skids that raise and lower. I need to try that...

povern

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
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vControl and Neo

Posted by rcmadness on 09-30-2008 10:59 PM:
Papa Sal: I have never flown a wire drive but I I would imagine they would sound kinda funky with that little wire twanging inside that metal tube. Would it be feasable to shoot a littl WD40 down the tube front to back to oil the center bearing? Just a thought.

Whant RN said on the muffler bolts, just tighten them when the engine is hot.

Set your pitch curve on normal flight at about 35% low 50% mid 100% high. Make sure that the swash doesnt touch the phasing pins or anything when you are at 100% pitch and using full cyclic. (raise the throttle all the way to the top and move your cyclic stick in all directions, You will have a brown out in your underwear if they happen to interact while flying.)

Your throttle curves need to be adjusted to where your heli lifts off the ground just above half throttle, just a little bit and I always keep my top number at or below 95%. My fling style doesn't need full throttle.

Idle up has a full linear pitch curve and you throttle curve should be 100 60 100 for starters. this is only a starting point. if the head speed seems too much lower the center number.
A pitch guage is the best way to set things up.

Hope this helps.

Now it is back to the garage and working on the plank. Dang y harness's, I twin elevator servos arn't acting like twins. One of them seems a little retarded.

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Posted by Papa Sal on 10-01-2008 12:01 AM:
madness, Thanks! can you mix your elev. servo's in your TX?Prog#2-MASTER With #6 slave? Works pretty cool if you can. then get rid of your y harness. I hate impedence yeah i agree with you it sounds twangy alright. And i found out on middle bearing just a brass bushing, BUT......time to fly it like i stole it and stop worrying like me mudder. iron out all the little problems and the big ones will take care of themselves

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by rcmadness on 10-01-2008 05:20 AM:
Papa sal: Sounds like you have it headed your way. Just remember that thing will leave a mark if it hits you. I sometimes forget and fly my 600 like my 450 and I end up a little closer than I need to be to it.
By the way did you fly planks and how do you stop the impedence? The mix thing doesn't work because the trim function only works on one servo.

Povern: that looks like a terrible flying field, all that pretty well groomed green grass and wide open spaces. $50 says if I flew there I would hit one of those soccer nets.

Good morning RN: Your raptor in the air yet.

Daveyg: You need to find a sponsor.

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Posted by ruddernate on 10-01-2008 09:05 AM:
good morning. the raptor is in action again. almost have the engine broke in. still gonna take it easy with her for awhile. i get the big bal3s with the 450. nice pics povern. where's that 600e?

hey papa sal, that's a nice looking heli. now spin that tail around and slam the throttle forward.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by povern on 10-01-2008 12:11 PM:
RN: Yeah them soccer nets are fast, but I have managed to miss them so far.

You should come up, I would like to see what a heli would do to them.

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
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vControl and Neo

Posted by povern on 10-01-2008 08:21 PM:
Guys,

Little Advice: When you are going to flip it over and hover inverted..... Flip Idle Up Switch.

povern

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by ruddernate on 10-01-2008 08:48 PM:
hey povern your advice always sounds like it's from direct recent experiences. wonder why that is.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by povern on 10-01-2008 11:00 PM:
Sorry RN, it comes from a calander that give tidbits of heli advice each day.

Did you buy that?

povern

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by Daveyg on 10-01-2008 11:17 PM:
I'm not buying it

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by rcmadness on 10-02-2008 12:17 AM:
Povern: You didn't say any dirty words did you!!!!

I was going to fly my 450 this evening but I hit my thumb with the prop on the plank. Dang that hurt.

Good news the plane is running/Bad news I did not realize just how much air an 18/8 prop was really gonna move. Much to my suprise my garage is now in shambles. It actually blew posters off the wall,screw drivers went everywhere and even my ratchet and socket blew off the table and all that at half throttle.

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Posted by Daveyg on 10-02-2008 12:54 AM:
WOW ,,, hey can I borrow that for a day ? I need to clean my house

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by ruddernate on 10-02-2008 09:03 AM:
i'm not buying it either povern. funny though. hey madness don't become one of those finger missing plankers. i've seen a few. it never ceases to amaze me how close those guys are to the prop while tuning. glad we don't tune our helis that way. wish you had some vid of your shop looking like a tornado was hitting it. hey papa sal , you get your noise figured out in your tail yet?

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Daveyg on 10-02-2008 10:58 PM:
anybody ever try align "pro wood" blades on a blade 400 ? I put a set on mine and the head speed seems higher and it seems less stable.

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by rcmadness on 10-02-2008 11:34 PM:
Yep I have used pro woods and had pretty good luck with them. Tracking them can be a little dificult because they seem to change a little with temperature and head speed.

Did you check the center of gravity on each blade, balance and track?

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Posted by Papa Sal on 10-02-2008 11:37 PM:
Hi guys, sorry it's taken so long to reply to everybody....you guys have been busy! madness: Yes impedence happens when yor servo wires are long, then you add a y harness...yikes. what radio are you using for your plank(s) (you won't be able to stop now) LOL. I know in my radio you can mix two or more servos together and after you adjust the servo throws in the TX you use only one trim switch and they all follow. OBTW if you start that gasser backwards...All the tools and posters will go back on the walls where they were......NO really Pov, I did that by accident in reverse....I NEVER saw a heli go up that fast before.....BIIIIIIGGGGG Brown Streak! Hey anybody select their trainer switch as their throttle cut switch? or is that a bad idea? Remember when I said I was going to my local hobby shop for my fuel pump?????HMMMMMMMM????? Next time I say or even suggest that I want to go to there.....STOP ME they have some fuel...but ALL the walls are bare. looks like they got robbed. he said I would have one by Friday....But he didn't say which one Oh Saturday.....forecast.....RAIN Rn glad you got your Rappy up! Nose in????? I'm shakin just thinkin about that. What should my head speed be with 550 woodies? Speaking of woodies Daveyg Aren't the Pro's a little smaller than 325mm? Watch out you don't want to take woodies past 3000rpm.....POOOOOOFFFF!

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-02-2008 11:44 PM:
that seems interesting have you tried balancing the blades? I have no clue if that would actually help but it doesn't hurt to give it a try. Hopefully you get it worked out!!
But anyways I've been practicing some nose in hovers and it's actually become like a second nature now. For some reason it seems like when I fly nose in the heli tends to be more stable and I can keep it in one place for a LONG time. Has anyone experienced something alike?? well now that I feel pretty confident with that what would you guys reccomend to practice next?? Oh by the way I'm up to 70 flights including nose in with no crashes, some bumpy landings but nothing to worry about.

Hey rcmadness you should post some pictures of the wrekage, and watch your fingers I've seen some pretty bad accidents with airplanes!!!
Posted by Daveyg on 10-03-2008 12:13 AM:
I dont own a balancer yet but they seem to be balanced better than the stock blades, just seems to be more twitchy.

I need to get the nerve to move forward, all I do is hover around tail-in and sideways about 2 ft. off the ground. If it gets over head high I panic and bring it back down

I've got one more big race this month after that I can steer my extra cash to spare heli parts

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by Papa Sal on 10-03-2008 01:10 AM:
two straight edge steak knives......4mm bolt...two nuts (don't say it). Bolt the blades together set the knives on their backs....set the the blades on the knives.......and there you go....cheap! add electrical tape to the lighter side until they stay...... Don't cut yourself......Go fly

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by povern on 10-03-2008 01:43 AM:
DaveG:

If your head speed went up, it will get jumpier, everything is happening faster.

Also, if the blades are lighter, its going to be even worse.

Ever wonder why the big guys fly at such high HS? To get everything to move quicker.

You really want to see a difference, go to a lighter paddle. Holy Crap.

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
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vControl and Neo

Posted by Daveyg on 10-03-2008 02:10 AM:
that makes sence Povern.
Papa sal I guess i need a picture my old brain cant seem to wrap around it

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by rcmadness on 10-03-2008 04:32 AM:
Dave: Let me help Sal out a little. Take a 4mm bolt with two nuts and washers, Cut the head off of the bolt if you can, now run the bolt through both blades. Basically bolting them together. Snug them up pretty good. Now straighten the blades out one in one direct one in the other.

Take two drinking glasses out of the cabinet and set them side beside with enough room in between to set the blades. Now hang the blades by the bolt between the glasses. (Remeber you put the blades together so the bolt is sticking out one both sides) one side sets on one glass and the other side sets on the other. Now it will teater between the glasses. the light blade will come up. (Glasses replace the steak knives)

Before you do this I would suggest checking the center of gravity on the blades. Go over the HF and check out Fin Bobs vid on blade balancing.

Good luck

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Posted by Daveyg on 10-03-2008 12:35 PM:
thanks madness, now it makes since. I guess the problem I was having with it was I cant afford steak but drinking is always in the budget

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by Papa Sal on 10-03-2008 06:29 PM:
I can't afford steak either....they were a wedding gift. Good thinkin madness, it also lifts the blades higher....cool.

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 10-03-2008 08:42 PM:
made it to the weekend. both heli's are ready to go. everyone going flying this weekend? hey atvracer, are you guys flying sunday? a guy i work with was wanting to break his old trainer plank out. a couple guys were flying at the sulphur airport yesterday right by my work. i was doing some work outside and had to watch while i worked. i thought it might be you and i was going to ask that you take anything that flies out of sight from my job in the future.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 10-03-2008 11:05 PM:
O.K. guys, here's another hair brained Papa Sal idea: i was thinkin(problem#1) you know the plugs from the servos that go into your Rx? I thought I would use a wide small rubber band (i saw on a bunch of carrots) and cut small slits to let the wires come out straight but hold the plugs in....whata ya think? What do you guys use?

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by rcmadness on 10-03-2008 11:57 PM:
Hope and prayers that nothing comes unplugged in flight. If you are worried they migh come unplugged you could run a line of hot glue along the row of plugs to keep the in place. It would peel off when you need it to. My plugs seem to fit snuggly enough that I don't worry about them too much. I just check them periodically and keep flying.

It is windy as heck here today so I will be working on my plank this evening. I did get the impeiedance issue worked out. I did as you said and seperated the elevator servos and put in a mix to control. The Dx7 number 5 and 6 mixes allow for the trim to work both servos at the same time. Cool. Thanks for the tip.

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Posted by Papa Sal on 10-04-2008 01:03 AM:
YEA!!!! good job Bro! That should solve a lot of problems for you or anybody running four engines, two elevators, four ailerons, ect. you gotta love computer radios Hot glue! You're BRILLIANT! I read another thread here on rr and his power line from his reg to the RX was almost all the way out...one more flight....inverted....YIKES!!! got me thinkin...I LOVE RUNRYDER! Thankxxxxx madnes My friends Frick-N-windy are visiting here too Got my fuel pump though weeeehoooo!

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by rcmadness on 10-04-2008 03:09 PM:
Glad to hear you got your fuel pump. I had to fill my gasser tank with a 35cc hypo serenge (I did not have a turkey baster) until my gas pump came in. (That sucked big time)

Good luck on your heli, if it still makes you nervous to fly, I can tell you from experiance it will go away quickly if you just fly it around a little.

Oh yow, learn to auto pretty quickly, it is really easy on a nitro heli. I finally got Clearview Sim to auto so I practiced a lot on it.

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Posted by Papa Sal on 10-04-2008 05:22 PM:
YIKES!!!!!AUTO??????OMG. I forgot that..." Dead Stick"!!!!!

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 10-04-2008 07:41 PM:
atv was teaching me the basics of an auto last week. still have'nt got the cahonas to try one yet. the wind is out of control today. must've came from Texas. I hope it's gone by tomorrow. you guys have fun.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 10-04-2008 08:03 PM:
keep the sticks at "Center" until impact and push forward to feather??? Help!!!!

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by atvracer on 10-05-2008 02:35 AM:
RN
I’m hoping to make it Sunday It’s going to be windy thro 15-30mph if it’s going to be windy I may pass I got a lot of work I need to do in the shop and this would be a good time but if the wind breaks in the after noon I my go behind kerrpumps and fly my 600 or the vibe an d get some of the bugs out as for the guy flying and Sulphur airport i found out today it was Derail and Tracy with there trainers

Autos
As for the basic Autos there easy on a 50 or bigger when you hit the switch for the first time try it around 5ft up and learn to do the flair first so go into a hover about 5ft up hit it the heli shouldn’t do anything as for jumps or go out of trim if so fix it but the head speed will drop very fast and you will start dropping very fast so don’t try to keep it up start coming down when about a foot high start giving it pos pitch until it’s on the ground do this a few times until you get a fill on what’s going on with the head speed and pitch then go up say a 200ft hit the switch and put you pitch about -4 deg keep it there until your about 50ft up give some forward stick so it will start dropping a lot faster but also this will get a lot more forward speed then about 15ft up slowly pull back on the stick so the heli is trying to stop the forward speed at the same time your still at a -4 pitch this will give you a lot more head speed when your head speed reach it’s peck start giving some pos pitch by this time you should be about 5ft with 0 forward and almost hovering then do your landing hope this helps

Atv
Posted by Papa Sal on 10-05-2008 03:10 AM:
Thanks Atv. I'll start working on that right away. I don't want to get caught, and in trouble.

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 10-06-2008 08:03 PM:
still nervous about my first auto's myself. i keep having pictures in my head of the rappy in pieces. here's a pic of my and a friend of mine after we got our rc fix. this thing hauls. what a blast.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Daveyg on 10-06-2008 08:51 PM:
cool looking puddle jumper RN, so ya think tha winds came from Texas huh? I was allways told we have mostly southern winds because OK. sucks must be getting close to TX-OU weekend

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by ruddernate on 10-06-2008 09:29 PM:
It's because Texas Blows, GOOOO SSSSOOOOOOONERSSS!!!!!!!!

fly it like you stole it

Posted by rcmadness on 10-07-2008 05:12 AM:
Hey what is that brown streak down the side of that ultralight. Well it sounds like everyone is doing well. I have been messing with the plank and flying the 450 around in the evening. The wind blew like a bi&%H all weekend so I could not fly anything I owned. Just tinkered with everything.

I tried posting for help with my plank on Flying Giants and I kinda felt like I was infected with the plague. The initial help was good but once they figured out I wasn't flying a 30% or better they didn't seem interested in helping.

I will just stay over here with good company. ( I Pm'ed ATVracer for some help, I didn't figure you guys wanted the hear plank issues :eek

P.S I ain't gettin involved in the the Okla vs Tex debate. No way no how.

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Posted by Daveyg on 10-07-2008 12:39 PM:
yeah madness some of those plank guys can be stuffed shirts I'm sure if you look hard enough theres some good ol boys that just like to fly tho.

I never was a big fan of the TX - ou game but the party/pep rally in the streets was fun till it got out of hand now i'm too old for that kind of fun anyway

all my buddies here either sold there helis or got bored with them so i'm on my own for awhile I need to make a trip tp Andy's and pick up some stock blades my local shop cant seem to get them. I dont like the align blades they dont have as much lift and it makes it too twitchy for my old relexes

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by ruddernate on 10-07-2008 05:42 PM:
the tx ou , all in good fun. i am a die hard fan though. i'm too old for that kind of fun too. i lived in norman, ok. for 8 years and had season tickets to the games, man i miss that. i'm ordering a trainer plane today so we'll have to sneak around in pm's about our airplanes. makes me feel so dirty. gotta order my plank now. cya

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 10-07-2008 08:01 PM:
RN that yeller thang looks like a lot of FUN. Any loops or rolls???LOL It looks like it's got a full blown hemi in her! I'll have to side with O.K. since my Boy is there at Tinker.....But he did come from San Antone...hmmmmmm sounds like i'm fickled Any body keeping count any more? I think I'm 50 with the 450???? I tried fff on the the sim and throwing on throt.-hold.......i put a sticker on the computer....it wasn't pretty... no matter how I tried. I think I put $10.00 in the crash jar. Now It's personal...i won't stop till I GET-IT. or go broke! Hey Madness....you hovered yer plank yet? (that sounds like pirate talk)LOL

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by atvracer on 10-07-2008 11:14 PM:
OK ver. TX we all know Texas blows and Kansas sucks but I’m from Cal. so I guess I’ll go with UCLA but why talk about football when we have helis to talk about oh sorry this becoming a plankers page now so let talk about planes

Madness is working on hovering his 540 he should have dialed in

then RN will have his high wing plane ready soon

back to helis
i'm going flying Wednesday only helis no planks this weekend look to be sh_ty aging so i'm taking off early going to do some flying taking the vibe90 and 600n


Atv
Posted by rcmadness on 10-08-2008 02:30 AM:
Nope, I havn't hovered it yet. I am still trying to figure out how the wings are supposed to spin and why the tail doesn't have blades!!!!

Special thanks to ATVracer for answering a few questions for me regarding the dynamics of airplanes. Gees it has been a while and I forgot a lot of stuff.

I flew the trex 450 last night, I have been spending a lot of time tinkering with the plane and figured I would be a little rusty on the sticks. It is just like riding a bike, once you learn you still have a few crashes. (Didn't crash, actually my confidence was up after taking a little break)

Ok Rn, send us a link to what plane you bought for the wife. Yeah right we know you bought it for the little woman.

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Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-08-2008 03:24 AM:
You guys aren't kidding about the wind. I tried flying today but didn't want to risk a crash so I could only get one flight. nose in hovers are becoming easier now, but almost crashed I was turning to the right about to do some forward flight when a gust hit the side of the heli and lost control.

About auto's I've actually made it into a habit to land using auto's, I always hold my finger on the hold switch incase something goes wrong. At first I tried from about 1-3ft off the ground and got pretty good at that but for some reason I get nervous about going any higher. Is it really necessary to give it a little forward stick as soon as the skids touch?? I read that you have to do that to avoid the striking the boom with the blades? what would you guys reccomend to try after nose in hovers?
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-08-2008 03:41 AM:
By the way I had a question about the tail on my t-rex. The thing is that it was flying great but I had to exchange the belt since the old one had lost some teeth. Anyways after changing the belt I started noticing that the tail started to wag a little, since that I've been trying to mess with the gain but it just seems to not be going away. I haven't gone below 50% since that makes it go into rate mode, has anyone experienced this problem, please help!!
Posted by rcmadness on 10-08-2008 03:43 AM:
OH6- If you are talking about autoing the 450 it all depends on forward speed relative of height. The nitro birds like to auto better from a decent height. The blades on my 600 are still moving good after autoing from 50 feet or above. I will agree that it is still nerve racking to hit that switch.

Well I have to get up at 4:30 tomorrow so it is off to bed. Good luck everyone on the indevors on the day.

Oh yeah, good morning RN.

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Posted by ruddernate on 10-08-2008 08:58 AM:
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXKH24
see if this link works, if not i'll try again. good morning. wind here is rediculous. atvracer, depends on what time you get off work, but i'll probably be going to work. need to get out and fly myself. my thumbs are very rusty. working for the man sucks. seems like i work all week, to tired to mess with hobby, then spend saturday getting everything ready to fly sunday , family time and back to work. oh well, just gotta make the good times count. fly it like ya stole it.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 10-08-2008 05:51 PM:
OH-6, check your mechanical nutral on your rudder pitch slider....when you replace your belt the boom does not come out as far (until the belt breaks in). you'll need to check tightness as well. does you rudder servo sit on your boom? if it does like most t-rex then forget what i said about the new belt. (But check your nutral anyway) My servo sits in the frame (XS450) so when I move my boom it makes the control rod shorter/longer. check your servo nutral toooo hope this helps. RN cool trainer Bro! Throw a 91 on her and stand back...LOL J.K.

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-09-2008 04:58 PM:
You guys I just can't seem to get it?? I'm down to 20% gain but the tail wonders off a little and if I ad more gain it begings to hunt?? Another thing that I noticed is that after swapping the belt I started getting some rough vibrations during spool up, and when I stop moving the throttle stick it sounds like the motor is fluctuating. At first it goes up normal but if you stop before take off the power drops a little(it's fine once it's flying so it only does that right before take off). Does anyone have any idea of what is going on??
Posted by Daveyg on 10-09-2008 05:44 PM:
I would look closly at the pulleys. if the belts not too loose I would bet on a pulley being bad.

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-09-2008 05:55 PM:
you know davey, I think your right!! I was just checking the main shaft and it seems to have a little play on the bearings. I was turning the rotors with my fingers and I got a lot of vibration and after taking a closer look at those bearings I can feel and see a lot of play. I know that this things are allowed to have SOME play but how can you determine if it's too much? Do you think it could possibly be the main gear bearings?? Thanks for the advice by the way!
Posted by Daveyg on 10-09-2008 08:12 PM:
there should be no play in your main shaft bearings. if there is that would be your problem.

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by Papa Sal on 10-09-2008 08:33 PM:
Yes Davey's right! no PLAY side to side...or up and down. Check yer shaft run-out tooooooo. Could be bent.

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by rcmadness on 10-10-2008 05:42 AM:
It never fails, get it flying just like you want it to and then change a wear part and boom, it has more issues than if you had ran it into a tree. Good luck with it OH6, just start from the front and work you way back.

RN: I have actually flow the Aircore model you have order. It does pretty good for a trainer and tougher than a boot. I taught my son to fly on a "raingutter" which is similar (2001). He ran it into a tee post trying to land it and tore the crap out of the wing. The guy that was helping us whooped out he packing tape and it was back in the air before we went home.

Well its gonna be windy in west texas again this weekend. Looks like a no fly zone again. I will just have to work on the plank to keep me busy, the helis are all in top shape. The CG is giving me fits and I have had to move the fuel tank back 6" now I am waiting on the glue to dry.

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Posted by RobMcQuillen on 10-10-2008 06:41 PM:
this is probly the longest topics i have ever seen

Rob McQuillen

Posted by Daveyg on 10-10-2008 07:20 PM:
were going for the record
I couldn't stand it any longer got tired of waiting for RN to turn off the vacume up there in OK. so I hovered out two packs in the shop

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by ruddernate on 10-10-2008 07:37 PM:
the vaccum is in kansas because it's awfully windy here as well. the trainer is her so i'm going to get started on her. i have joined the dark side. this topic is long , long live team bs.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 10-10-2008 08:20 PM:
AYE mates tis long indeed, but just think of all the excitement, shared knowledge, And choppers we've crashed! And all the Brown Streaks to come!!! WAAAAHAHAHAHAHA....ARRRRRRGGGGGHH.

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by Papa Sal on 10-10-2008 08:28 PM:
c'mon Men sing with me...." OOOOOHHHH the weather out side is NARLEY, and we want to ride the HARLEY, but since we've no place to go, LEEEEEEETT it snow, let it snow, let it snnnnoooowww! You just gotta love Reno Nevada, no Fall for us....straight to winter! I'm staring at a blizzard out side, and it's only October. Guess I'll get some skis for the landing gear oh it's gonna be a looooong winter

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by Daveyg on 10-10-2008 08:31 PM:
SNOW!!! it's allmost 90 here just fire up the big heli and blow the snow off the sidewalk

oh yeah you dont want to hear me sing,, anless there's alot of beer around, beer seems to make me sound better

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-11-2008 12:38 AM:
well you guys I figured it out and fixed the problem, the main rotor bearings were really bad so after swaping them it even stays up for longer during autos!!! Thanks Papa sal for all the help
Posted by Papa Sal on 10-11-2008 01:09 AM:
YOU my Brutha ARRRRR welcome

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-11-2008 01:19 AM:
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-11-2008 02:19 AM:
Did anyone get a chance to fly? I'm just glad my heli is fixed now I have to finish studing for a test and I can go out to fly it
Posted by rcmadness on 10-11-2008 04:21 AM:
Well is sounds like everyone is keeping up: Snow did someone say snow!!!!!!! Stap some tongue depressors on the skids and get to flying. Snow on the ground can mean very stable air above it if the wind is calm, no thermal events to deal with.

Everyone does realize that you can "fly" a heli in the wind. Matter of fact they do very well in moderate wind. The down sides are 1: Tip stalls (you cannot anticipate if the wind is gusting or changing directions)and 2:trying to land the dang things no thats a beyatch!!!!!!!!

I have thought about tighing one of my helis to a fence post with about 30' of parachute cord and try to fly it powerless like a gyro copter. I figure a 30 mph wind would do the trick and the auto practice would be through the roof.

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Posted by ruddernate on 10-11-2008 07:13 AM:
i agree about the wind. we have to fly in it around here or we'll never fly. however the last several days have been terribly windy. last weekend was 15 to 30mph winds. the 15 ain't so bad but the 30 part sucks. gonna try and burn a few tanks this weekend in between building a cheater. that's my new word for planks. cheaters

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 10-11-2008 04:51 PM:
Madness....YOU A-maze me....tounge depressors...GUENIUS!!!! Yeah 3 inches on the ground this morning.....And FRICK-N-WINDY. As you can see form my gallery I live on a knoll. The up draft(s) and gust to 50mph are shall we say a challenge????? Oh well I'll wait. Only six more months till Spring RN.......CHEATER Sounds more like MUTINY...LOL

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-11-2008 05:48 PM:
Not sure if this might be naive, but I'm actually pretty happy to have learned in a windy environment. After all if you can fly in the wind then you can practically fly anywhere plus it's a little more fun since you have to use the old nugget a little more to keep it from smashing into the floor. The part I don't like is setting up the gain on the gyro when the heli is trying to recover from the gusts of air. That's pretty harsh 50mph wind sounds crazzy, you should try to find a gym or another big area so you can practice
Posted by ruddernate on 10-11-2008 06:26 PM:
made any skis yet papa? i agree OH-6 wind helps learning. it's like swinging 3 bats when you're on deck. then when you get a windless day it's gravy.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Daveyg on 10-12-2008 02:30 AM:
anybody catch the TX - OU score ?

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by ruddernate on 10-12-2008 02:32 AM:
i don't want to talk about it.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by atvracer on 10-12-2008 02:37 AM:
i found this

Texas outguns Oklahoma in Red River Shootout
Dallas, TX (Sports Network) - Colt McCoy directed a pair of fourth-quarter drives that ended in short scoring runs by Cody Johnson, as fifth-ranked Texas captured the 103rd edition of the Red River Rivalry with a 45-35 victory over No. 1 Oklahoma at the Cotton Bowl.
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-12-2008 02:46 AM:
haha !!GO LONGHORNS!!. I'm actually training at the moment as I plan to try out for the team as soon as I get my associate's degree. Wish me luck, hopefully one day you'll see little OH-6 playing lol
Posted by povern on 10-12-2008 10:37 PM:
RCmaddness
Madness, do you have realflight sim?

I go to a slope soaring field for sailplanes and I auto for days, there is enought wind that I throw on the throttle hold and auto forever. Even do inverted. It's a blast.

povern

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
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vControl and Neo

Posted by rcmadness on 10-12-2008 10:46 PM:
No I use Clearview Sim, I am too tight to buy a new computer to run the latest and greatest.

I did find out how to make Clearview auto whitch was a major break through.

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Posted by Papa Sal on 10-13-2008 12:26 AM:
You fellar's in Tx sure Love yer foot ball don't cha? Hey Madness try the Xcell 30 in Clearview ff then auto see if you can get it....I Can't Try to land on the heli "H"

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by rcmadness on 10-13-2008 04:37 AM:
Papa sal: Go to the settings tab in clearview, the open advanced model settings, find the blade mass line of code. change the blade mass from .01 to 5.0. It will auto for you and the blades will spin a long time. You might find it a little easier to fly.

Personally I like the easy raptor 60 on clearview but I found the I learned more using the Helisimrc simulator for learning new stuff. The graphics a not that good and there is little or no heli choice but the physics are 10 to 1 better in my opion than Clearview. Personally I believe it is because the graphics generator isn't bogging down the system. Best thing about it is that it is free.

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Posted by rcmadness on 10-14-2008 04:36 AM:
I cannot believe it has been 24 hrs since someone posted on our thread.

Nothing new in west texas, wind, rain and my helis and plank are just setting here. I have tweaked and adjusted everything known to man on these waiting to fly. Oh well maybe soon.

Come on Ruddernate lets see some pics of your fingers glued to a wing or tail fin. We promise we won't laugh, really

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Posted by ruddernate on 10-14-2008 09:19 AM:
you don't know how true that is. i've had ca and epoxy on my fingers for a couple days now. i have the wings finished and the fuselage is close. i'm waiting on servos. i haven't ordered my rx yet. think i'll go with the ar7000. just looking for a deal on one. i'm cheap. it's looking good though. i'll put a pic up tomorrow if all goes well. my fingers have been glued to everything. i no longer have fingerprints.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 10-14-2008 06:33 PM:
Madness i agree with the Rapy 60 in clearview, I can invert hover that one for a little while. RN can you say DE-bonder lol. Well bouys it was Monday morning.....kinda calm..SOOOOOOOO i took out Hawk for a little air time. My new pump works GREAT. She fired right up. spooled er up and she was air born just a little above half stick, needed a little swash trim, so I landed and readjusted the trim and center throt curve got a little more added as well, i think she's at 65.0 not bad..... Back up. looks pretty in the air, brought er up a little higher to check tracking....not bad, but all of a sudden, the engine came alive...WOHA!!!! Brown Streak # 1, she really was flying nice, but I knew somthing was wrong. So I didn't waste any time setting her down. Throt-hold running pretty high idle....I moved my throt-cut to my trainer switch...shut er down. Sure enough.....muffler came loose. Bottom bolt came all the way out! This morning took my engine loose and took out my bottom bolt and I'm going to the hobby shop to get longer ones and some nuts....That muffler won't come loose again!Any way i didn' hurt the engine looks good in side the cylinder..WHEW Sure was fun though while it lasted. another half of a tank and flight # 2

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 10-14-2008 09:06 PM:
sorry to say this has been taking away some heli time.

but, i've managed to burn one tank and one battery / day on my heli's so i'm now up to 15 flights. however these have been easy flying just to keep in practice. hovering the rappy to break in the engine and nose in on the 450. where's everyone else at, papa's at 2 how bout you other guys.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by dirkmunich on 10-14-2008 09:30 PM:
Getting ready to go indoors for winter and spring. Getting some minis and micros to fly around the house and indoors to sharpen my skills. There are some reasonable mini out there for light wind conditions the Walkera 4g1b ($110), the cp gaui 200 ($475) for 3d flight training, the Walkera 4#3b new metal version for indoors and the new Walkera cp 4g3 ($170) for 3d indoor/outdoor flight. Here are some places to look for the smaller electrics: rotorfever.com, wowhobbies.com, radientech.com. There no reason to risk the bigger heavier more expensive helis for training. BTW I would keep the tx separate for the smaller models. It's not worth it trying to convert them to the DX7 or the Fut. Just my 2cents
Posted by Papa Sal on 10-14-2008 09:40 PM:
Wait a minute! i have two flights on the Hawk...do I loose the other fifty-ish with the 450?....LOL RN......"CHEATER"

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by Daveyg on 10-14-2008 10:02 PM:
Dang RN that heli sure has big blades

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-15-2008 02:12 AM:
does anyone know of an upgrade for the tail rotor control arm on a t-rex 450? I drove myself crazy trying to fix the gain, just to find out that the control arm that moves the pitch slider is to loose and it cause vibrations. It says in the manual that your supposed to wedge that thing into the pitch slider but mine has a lot of play so now I'm looking to upgrade, any suggestions?

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by povern on 10-15-2008 02:59 AM:
OH-6.

Think I saw soemthing on the other site about using fuel line over the ball, to keep it tight......

Not sure.

povern

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by povern on 10-15-2008 03:00 AM:
Check out Post #12

http://www.helifreak.com/showthread...l+trex+450+tail

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
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vControl and Neo

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-15-2008 03:57 AM:
I wish I could use some fuel line but it won't fit and I think it would cause too much drag?? Maybe a couple turn of black tape just not sure how safe that would be

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by rcmadness on 10-15-2008 04:26 AM:
Heat shrink tubing that you use on wire splices.

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Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-15-2008 04:41 AM:
now that i'll try Thanks rcmadness!

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by rcmadness on 10-15-2008 04:45 AM:
Thats what I am here for, heck I can't fly because of the weather so the least I can do is come up with ideas how to fix the helis of those who can.

Make sure you use the good stuff that is sticky (inside) when you heat it up. The cheap stuff from radio shack does not have any sticky stuff so it will slide off.

For some reason that sentence just sounds nasty but not the less true.

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Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-15-2008 04:51 AM:
I'll go to my HS tommorow and see what they have I have some shrinkrap but it's not that good

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by rcmadness on 10-15-2008 04:55 AM:
Check lowes or home depot they will have small packages of the good stuff and its only a few dollars. The only bad stuff I have seen is from radio shack.

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Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-15-2008 04:59 AM:
Great thanks for the idea, I'll let you know how it comes out!

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by ruddernate on 10-15-2008 09:12 AM:
yeah i can't figure out how to get these huge blades how to rotate. sorry papa sal, didn't mean to disregard your electric flights. i for one know those 450 flights are more difficult than the big birds. i think you now have the record. i've got 17. that's both birds combined.only one i'm not counting is the lama 4 or the eagle 50. i probably should though the eagle 50 is the hardest heli i have to fly.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Daveyg on 10-15-2008 12:25 PM:
I think i'm at 17 but i'm still just hovering around does that count ? I went off-road racing last night, didnt care to much for it

anybody want to buy a mugen MBX5R ?

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by ruddernate on 10-15-2008 07:17 PM:
counts in my book. if it doesn't fly, i can't afford it. if it flys i'll make arrangements.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-15-2008 09:06 PM:
What do you guys reccomend for a raptor 50V2, to put the servo on the boom or in the normal position with all the other servos? Hey rcmadness I still havent tried the shrink wrap but will soon so I'll let you know what happens.

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by atvracer on 10-15-2008 10:56 PM:
i never like to mount the tail servo on the boom
#1 it's expose to the exhaust more
#2 you need to run long servo wires to the servo next to gears train
#3 when a crash happen that servo gets beating up

when inside a canopy its in a much safer place

also never mount the gyro on the top rear on any heli in a crash the fly bar gets bent and would hits the gyro (it happen to me once it and cut it in half ) just the other day RN gyro got hit on his 450 not sure if it was the ground or fly bar but it only knot the cover plate off

the only good thing about mounting on the boom is when you adjust the belt you don’t have to redo your servos limits

that's my $.02
atv
Posted by Papa Sal on 10-15-2008 10:58 PM:
RN, no problem Brutha.....after all you are....4-GIVENHey Davey.BOOM-IT. better control. My hawk has a rudder control thats 50ft long...goes thru a mile of boom supports, and I just can't twist, turn, move them enough to make it real smooth,( in Italian it's "she no worka so guud" Also I have an older servo that has very little torque, and takes an hour to move 60deg.......but OTHER than that it's perfect

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 10-16-2008 09:24 AM:
i agree about the servo somewhere safe. i'm moving the gyro on the 450 to the bottom inside the frame. i'm redoing all the wiring with braided sheilding and using this oppurtunity to move the gyro. there's not, however, a good spot on the heli for the servo in the frame. my 450's gyro was on top when i bought it and i just never moved it. the 450 i had before was on bottom of the frame. i new it was a risk and sure enough my last crash i thought i destroyed it. i got lucky. it's cracked and i had to glue the top plate back on. my point , i guess is if you can put any electronics somewhere safe, do it. why not. don't put something somewhere just because you've seen it done before. that's why i love helis because you can always make them better. good luck and keep haveing fun.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-17-2008 03:23 AM:
thanks for the advice!! I'll leave it where it's at don't want the servo to meet the ground. And I'll change the gyro position in my t-rex.

So any news from anyone?? I've yet to use the shrink wrap on my t-rex. School has been crazy and I get lucky to get one flight a day

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by Daveyg on 10-17-2008 08:08 PM:
well,, I get to start my flight count over again,,at least I dont have to worry bout those pro woodies any more

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by Papa Sal on 10-17-2008 08:38 PM:
OH NO!!!! sorry to hear about your loss. look at the bright side ( If you can ), You can re-build her you have the technology,unlike everytime I crashed a plank....nothing but ity-bity pieces She'll be good as new in no time I'm down again myself. I can't keep the scale muffler thight...even with RTV, So.....I'm going to buy a torpedo style muffler any way, She looks so sad with the engine hang-in by the counter gear, no front landing gear, looks like I crashed Soon...BUT, I still got Chopper-2 55 flights!

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by Daveyg on 10-17-2008 09:03 PM:
mines just gonna need some new blades and a feathering shaft,, will be flying again this afternoon

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by Papa Sal on 10-17-2008 09:22 PM:
That's the spirit Just takes MO-money

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-17-2008 11:59 PM:
Oh man was it a total loss or is it fixable?

By the way would anyone(or happen to know anyonelse) that would like to buy a raptor 50V2?? I'm sellin/trading mine in hopes to fund another project

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by rcmadness on 10-18-2008 12:59 AM:
Dave: Always remember it could have been worse. The only part you cannot buy is confidence and the only way to replace it is with more flight time.

Papa Sal: Is you muffler the type that you can put a hose clamp on it. Some of those were designed to be able to put a long hose clamp around the head and the muffler to keep it snug. (it is old school but it works)

OH-6: Sorry but I can't feed all the heli's and planes I have now. Try posting it in the classifieds. It won't take long to sell if you price it right.

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Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-18-2008 01:18 AM:
how much would you recommend? It has the
GY401/9254
3X 9202's
1 HS545BB
TT 50 Pro
AR 7000(might have to keep depending on deal)
Electronics battery
TT carbon blades
like 2 other sets of fiber blades
A lot of extra parts

Let me know, I do want it to go fast so I can start on my other project but it's in great condition so I don't just want to give it away other wise I'll just keep it.

Thanks.

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by rcmadness on 10-18-2008 05:09 AM:
First of all figure out how much all the parts and kit is new. Then decide how fast you want it to sell.

This is only an opinion remember that, its you stuff price it like you want. (this is total cost new x % listed)

80 to 90% Probably wont sell and most folks won't read past the price.

65 to 79% Sells slow and be prepared to haggle.

50 to 64% This is considered a good deal by most and it will sell pretty quick if you have good pictures and the equipment is in good shape and flyable. (Ask 64% and be prepared to take 50 or 55 %)

In my dealings with hobby grade toys. Yes I said toys. They are typically worth 50% of what you have in them if the are relitavly new production. (Remember Raptors are not as hot as TRex right now,I didn't say they were not as good!)

However with that said you may run across someone that is willing to pay a new price for a used heli but these people are few and far between and usually not happy after the get there hands on it. Its scratched, the glow plug is bad, the blades don't track so on and so on.

On the other hand if someone gets a "deal" on a used heli they expect a little wear and tear. If they put a few bucks into it to make it their own they are still satisfied.

Personally my reputation is worth more than having to deal will someone who pays top dollar for my stuff then is unhappy when they realized they overpaid or someone on RR makes a big deal about overpaying. Your reputation takes a beating since the peanut gallery decides you were a ahole for overcharging some newb.

Again take this all with a grain of salt, it is your stuff, price it at what you think its worth. Good luck

The long winded "RCMadness"

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Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-18-2008 05:33 AM:
Oh my goodness THE AUDACITY to call them toys!! lol just kidding but anyways how does $650(without RX) sound to you? that's below 50% or do you think lower?

By the way great pricing educate!

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by rcmadness on 10-18-2008 07:40 AM:
Sounds about right, you can always come down to make the sale if you have to. Does that include shipping?

You might want to see what if cost to ship it to florida and oregon so it will give you an idea of what the charges will be and don't forget insurance and the paypal charges (3% I believe) if you decide to accept that method.

I always forget that stuff and it cuts into my funds more than I expect.

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Posted by ruddernate on 10-18-2008 09:15 AM:
send me some pics of the raptor if you can. i may be interested. you can pm me if you like. what's the other project if you don't mind me asking.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-18-2008 04:03 PM:
Here are some pic's, sorry about the extremely low quality.
I'm thinking about doing three things:
Build a formula 1 racing kart, I just need the frame(it would be nice if it was RTR but I know that would be like $5000) because I want to modify it by putting a 4 cylinder yamaha 600 engine on it with a bunch of upgrades and leave the tranny in there so it will actually have gears. That would be really AWESOME and all I need is the frame because all the other stuff is sitting in my garage.
Another idea is buying a t-rex 500, or a 700 or 90 machine.
I have other's just can't think of them at the moment. Oh sorry about the paint job, that is the only bad thing with the heli as of now and everything servos etc only has been through a gallon-gallon and a half. I did crash it once (freak accident) but nothing major, I came down into some rocks that pushed the canopy and broke one of the mounts and the boom and tail blades were gone, but everything is back to 100% so let me know what you think or just send me a decent offer for it. Well I hope you like it and that we can come up with a deal.

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by Papa Sal on 10-18-2008 05:33 PM:
OOOOOOOOOOOOO.....AHHHHHHHAAAAAAAA

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by povern on 10-18-2008 08:35 PM:
Sorry, haven't been on here much,but it has been a rough week.

6 Flights, 3 crashes.

First one: Tail in inverted hover. I can understand, this is the first time doing this. But anyway, got to close to the ground and couldn't flip it back over.

Second one: After the first crash removed the flybar weights (again) because I could have flipped it over and saved it but the cyclic was too slow. Trying to do circuits backwards. It rolled to one side to fast, tried to save it, cyclic was too slow and couldn't save it.

Third one: Flipped it over to practice nose in Inverted hover. Didn't flip the idle up switch.

Didn't someone in this thread warn about this.

Lucky though, haven't crashed the 600 yet, 25 flights.

Did I tell you guys about the black hawk simulator I've been flying?

povern

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
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vControl and Neo

Posted by Papa Sal on 10-18-2008 08:54 PM:
Man! I tried to fly backwards on the sim.....Think I got just enough dollars in the crash jar to buy a new Raven. Pov sorry to about you baby, idle-up, idle-up, idle-up. My Hawk is black inside

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-18-2008 10:49 PM:
What do you guys think about using an AR6200 on a t-rex600?

Oh man everyone has bad news nowadays, I hope it's not my turn anytime soon.

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by atvracer on 10-18-2008 11:40 PM:
AR6200 will work fine but do you plan on running a gov on it if so you want up to a 7 channel

povern
you may need to go a little higher or having cyclic to slow is not a good thing when you get in trouble

As for your idle up sorry can't help you there

But sound like your progressing very well when you start doing this on a 600 the pucker factor will kick in and $$ pre crash

keep up the progres you my try getting more flights per crash 3 in 6 is not that good but i was getting 1 in 1 on my rappy 50 back in the day


atv
Posted by rcmadness on 10-19-2008 02:10 AM:
Ok I have tried my hand at planks, they suck!

I did not crash it but I remember why I stopped flying them, I hate landing. I thought that a bigger plane would mean easier to land in the wind. Wrong!!!! I also fly the rudder really bad since I have been flying helis and that doesn't always work so well.

I am back to flying my 450 snd 600, nitro isn't that expensive.

Thats all I have to say about that!

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Posted by ruddernate on 10-19-2008 02:15 AM:
crashing sucks. went to aero hobbies today. long drive but great shop. they were flying the little 4#3 around. looks awesome for indoors. they were also flying the new cx around. fun little helis. i did stock up on fuel though. man nitro is still outrageous, but if you add up the price it's only a couple bucks/flight. not bad still. if the price went up a little at a time it wouldn't bother us, but it went up over night, still i can't gripe, i love my nitro. i got some cool power to replace the jug you loaned me atv. finally. sorry about you guy's crashes. i'm gonna take both helis out tomorrow and give em heck. hope i don't add to the crash list. don't have the plank ready yet. waiting on electronics. otherwise she's ready to go. i flew around on real flight while i was in the shop. great sim. made me want to go ahead and make the investment. how'd the flying go today madness? hope the maiden went smooth.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by rcmadness on 10-19-2008 04:19 AM:
Unless I calm down a little on the sticks I will sell my plank. It is weird that I am comfortable on the sticks of the heli but when I try to land a plank I panic. I like not having to worry about the wind direction or setting up a landing pattern.

In all fairness today was not a good day for planks. The wind kept gusting and changing directions every minute or so.

The good news is that I flew the crap out of the 600. I hadn't had a chance to fly it in several weeks and I fired it up and flew very well. Did some loops, autos and kind of a flip.

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Posted by ruddernate on 10-19-2008 05:08 AM:
if the plank's in one piece it was a good day. i know what ya mean on landing patterns. that's the hardest part for me on the sim. atvracer's brother told me he used to face the same direction as the plank on landing and look over his shoulder so his thumbs go the same direction as the wing. instead of backwards. don't give up it's just the landings. at least the flying part is easier. unless you hover like atvracer.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Daveyg on 10-19-2008 05:55 PM:
RN. next time your in town let me know I would have met you at Andy's or you could have driven another 15 mins south and watched me race

madness that's one thing I hated about planks is it has to be a perfect day for ya to fly, heli's can handle a little wind and thanks to oklahoma we allways have some wind

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by ruddernate on 10-19-2008 06:19 PM:
will do daveyG. how'd the races go? i'm going right now to charge a few packs. get the rappy ready and try and go fly. it's windy here so it may be some crazy flying, but i seriously need a flying fix. this back yard stuff don't cut it.

well, it's way to gusty to fly so i stayed home and worked on the plank. i did fly my 450 through a couple packs and flew 3 batteries through the lama 4 in the shop. just need servos for the plank. here's my new fleet pics and my new toy.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 10-20-2008 02:06 AM:
RN, what a great set of pic's Bro! What a handsome fleet! Take your time with the plank(s). Madness,(or any plank flyer) remember...."BAD WINGS DOWN", in other words when the plane is flying towards you and one of the wing sides are down...point your ALE. stick to THAT wing panel, and she'll level right out. Won't be long b-4 you do it automacticly O.K. Gents I have been working on a new 3-D move. i call it "The Flower". It's a sires of vertical figure eights...off the deck, starting at 9 or 3 o'clock depending on wind direction...going to 10 or 11 o'clock all the way around ect. until you come back to 9 or 3. And that's flying both inside and outside loops. Give er a try! Empty your crash jars first and see how fast you fill them back up. OBTW I haven't tried on the real heli yet only on the sim.( I can't get past 12 o'clock) Have a blast

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by povern on 10-20-2008 03:36 AM:
Well managed to go three flights today, Then I sasw a dog out of the corner of my eye, 1/2 second later, I lost oreintaion and I was pucking up pieces of my canopy.

This hobby sucks.

povern

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-20-2008 04:03 AM:
Oh man the curse of the crashing heli's almost catched up to me today. I was flying nose-in in my front yard, well on the street actually but didn't notice a car was coming well long story short I paniked and almost cut my neck with the rotor. I got re-orientated and no crash thank goodness.

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by rcmadness on 10-20-2008 04:20 AM:
A wise man once said:

Some days it sucks,some days it don't. But everyday it cost money!

Trex-250-450se-450pro-500esp-600nitro-Predator Gasser

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-20-2008 04:26 AM:
Hey rcmadness do you actually think that there's a big difference between the t-rex V1 and the V2? I'm curious to know.

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by rcmadness on 10-20-2008 04:26 AM:
Before I forget it I need to share something I found on my nitro today.

I was going over it after I flew yesterday and I put a tank through it in the wind this afternoon. I always go over it before it goes back on the shelf. Much to my suprize I found the doublesided tape that hold the gyro on nearly torn in half. The deal was it did not show up until I actually pulled up on the gyro. It was seperated all the way around and it took very little effort to pull it off. Suprizingly it was the actual Futaba tape that came with the gyro.

Moral of the story: give the gyro a tug every once in a while and see if it moves.

Trex-250-450se-450pro-500esp-600nitro-Predator Gasser

Posted by ruddernate on 10-20-2008 04:49 AM:
i fired up the rappy this evening and the clutch wouldn't engage. i haven't taken her apart yet but i'm guessing clutch liner or one way bearing. she was making a funny noise last time at the field. glad it happened on the ground. oh well. think i'll buzz the wife a few times with the lama 4 before she falls asleep on the couch. sorry about all the crashing going on. that sucks povern. was it just the canopy? watch out OH-6. those helis can bite pretty hard. ask me how i know.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-20-2008 04:55 AM:
how do you know??

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by ruddernate on 10-20-2008 05:06 AM:
i took a 450 trex at full speed in st-2 in the arm while learning nose in. it was nasty. took about 2 months to heal. not a story i like to tell but everyone has a moment of respect in this hobby. mine was just with the 450 if it would've been the raptor it would've done some serious damage. can't afford an oops with these things. be careful. don't let that thing get ya.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-20-2008 05:08 AM:
I'm glad it didn't get me on my neck, but I'm also a little upset with the driver for not slowing down even a little. What do you guys think.

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by ruddernate on 10-20-2008 05:16 AM:
other people (drivers) have no idea how hard these things are to fly. nor do they care. i'd stay out of the street. never know when someone can drive by. any distraction sucks while flying and especially while learning something new. people have no idea how dangerous they can be either, so they haven't got the respect for them that we do. if you can stay out of the street. my .02

fly it like you stole it

Posted by povern on 10-20-2008 12:26 PM:
Main differences between a v1 and v2 is in the head. The feathering shaft is bigger on the v2, and a couple other changes in that area.

Also:

"New gear ratio(4.24:1), suitable for the motor with higher KV, provides more safety. Uses Aluminium alloy drive pulley and tail drive pulley, high rigid and wear resistance. It is efficient to reduce the rotation loss and makes it more smooth. All kit uses stainless steel linkage ball, wear resistance, anti-oxidization. Tail rotor hub made of stainless steel, very rigid. "

povern

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-20-2008 02:29 PM:
RN I agree with you about staying off the street, although that is the first time that happens because everyone else kind of stops to take a look at the heli and ask me questions about it.

Povern that seems like quite a lot of changes but say for example that you have a V1 and V2 sitting next to each other, if you flew both would you be able to tell the difference? I mean I'm pretty sure you would because the V2 has a stronger motor? I guess you wouldn't recommend using the V2 gears on a V1 huh?

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by povern on 10-20-2008 05:28 PM:
I here the V2 is smoother, but I haven't flown both. I run the V2 gears on my v1, just need to set the backlash. Not even sure you can get V1 gears any more.....

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by ruddernate on 10-20-2008 06:05 PM:
i hear ya oh-6 . i didn't know if you live in a culdasac or a street rarely travelled. when i find places to fly i always base it on how many distractions. some places will draw a crowd. kids especially scare me to death. they will run right up to a heli. if you're like me i worry more about my control over the heli than what other people do. myself i get nervous when i'm by myself, but when people are around it's worse.
the v1 trex i had i converted to a v2. one reason is anytime you buy parts it's usually v2 parts you get. every upgrade they made on the v2 was a major improvement. i just upgraded as i crashed and ended up with a full v2.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-21-2008 03:29 AM:
Oh without a doubt!! The other day I went to fly at a park and well like always I managed to attract a little croud, however I was hovering like 4 feet infront of me when I noticed that this little kid was running straight to the heli with his arms up in the air. It was actually kind of hilarious the way he ran but non the less scared the living crap out of me!!! Another thing that I noticed is that people want to take a surprisingly close look at the heli when it's hovering and sometimes decide to walk right infront of it as it's moving . They think that they're just toys and I don't even want to know how much trouble one of us would get into if we chopped them up with the heli. But anyways now my new strategie is to fly high that way even if they get close there won't be any problems.

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by atvracer on 10-21-2008 04:25 AM:
rcmadness

hey i'm in you home town Midland TX for that oil show. so if you going to it i'll be there all week

Posted by rcmadness on 10-21-2008 07:24 PM:
I will be at the show weds morning I will look you up at the KP booth.

Trex-250-450se-450pro-500esp-600nitro-Predator Gasser

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-22-2008 05:25 PM:
So guess what you guys, I managed to mess up my heli again. No crashes, but I had just landed the heli to trim it but my finger accidentaly slipped and I hit the flight mode switch into st1 when I had the throttle stick at low. Well that only lasted like 1 second because I flipped the switch back to normal and also flipped throttle hold on. But after that now everytime I spool up it makes this repetitive clacking sound and it vibrates a lot. Have you ever had this happen or have any clue about what could be causing the vibrations? Well let me know what you think.

PS. I was turning the rotor with my finger and found out that the auto rotation(tail rotor) gear looks to be the problem, do you think it may have gotten a little warpped or maybe got bent because it sure looks like i was vibrating itself?

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by Papa Sal on 10-22-2008 06:12 PM:
Check the teeth on your main/pinion gears. My tail output gear look out of round too...hmmmmmmm????

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-22-2008 06:18 PM:
Will do but I'm almost 100% sure that it's going to be the gear, I guess it got bent. I also noticed that when I hold it by the skids and spool it up it I turn it as if it was rolling the vibrations become more prominent

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-23-2008 04:33 AM:
So guess what it was, my main blades were on too tight!! I can't believe little things like that can stop you from flying. I wonder if it's less trouble shooting with the bigger helis?

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by rcmadness on 10-23-2008 04:40 AM:
OH-6, I hate to tell ya but they all have their own problems. I just spent $100 on a tach to help me better understand the vibration in my 600n that I have been fighting for the past few months. I found the big vibes but I have one little one that just drives me nuts.

Trex-250-450se-450pro-500esp-600nitro-Predator Gasser

Posted by Papa Sal on 10-23-2008 08:14 PM:
Yeah....too tight, too loose. Oh MY Goodness!!! But.....Good Job finding the problem Hey guys ever done something you've regretted? Just did one. Been flyin my Clearview sim for two years witout an upgrade......yeah, Monday I tried to upgrade my system.....now I don't have a nitro bird til money gets back in order...AND my computer can't support the memory.So......my job may also be in jepordy, which makes a 52 yr old biker nervous. So it may be a while before things turn around. In the mean time, I just want you all to know from me,(and I know we're not supposed to do this) God is still on the throne and He's in charge! I have my little 450 and I'm just fun flying right now so I won't crash....I can't afford it. BUT STILL FLYINOBTW Team Brown Streak....RULES

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 10-23-2008 08:46 PM:
hang in there papa sal. i'll keep ya in my prayers. economy is tough right now. i just hope the powers that be can get it turned around quick. those 450's keep ya flying. i will always have a 450 size heli. easy to fix and fly's anywhere.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by povern on 10-23-2008 11:33 PM:
Anyone got trciks for reparing a servo case.

Another crash and the tail servo case broke at the eyes....

Maybe I can flip it around to the other side....

Good Luck Papa Sal, something will come around...

povern

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by odam2k on 10-24-2008 12:19 AM:
Application for membership in Team BS
I've just spent the last couple hours browsing through this thread, and feel like I know y'all now

I just started flying July this year, so nearing 4 months now. I started with t Blade CP Pro, then picked up a Blade 400 after a month, then a Belt CP, and finally last month a JR Voyager E (500 class) Well, then there's the Blade mCX I just grabbed for the winter, in the house.... I've basically been through the same as most of you, crashing, fixing, flying, over and over... some times crashing 2 or 3 helis all in the same trip to the local field...

I try to fly 3 times a day, although now with the short windy days, I'm lucky to get out in the morning before work for an hour.... Of course now I get 2 or 3 hours a day of playing with RealFlight G4.5beta now...

I'm doing flips (fwd and backward) rolls, and nose in hovering... I still have a problem with slow controlled circuits.... working on that, and I still scare the crap outta myself quite often....

I'm just waiting on my christmas bonus now and I'll be picking up a TRex 700N Pro, can't wait to make the jump to nitro....

I hope you guys don't mind a newcomer, a canuck at that, although I did live in Humble TX for a year, met my wife there, and my daughter was born in Houston....

Posted by povern on 10-24-2008 12:21 AM:
odam2k,

the application process is legnthy and difficult to join team BS.

Have you ever had a close call that left a brown streak in your pants?

povern

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by odam2k on 10-24-2008 12:21 AM:
I just broke a case on my tail servo, and used a soldering iron to melt the plastic together again... the piece fit back in place, so just ran the iron along the seam, and it sealed up nice....
Posted by odam2k on 10-24-2008 12:27 AM:
Hmm, I'm trying to think if there were any days where I didn't leave a streak... lol...

This was a particularly memorable one....

Oct 13, this is the remains of my Blade 400 and my Voyager E, crashed both within 10 minutes..

Posted by povern on 10-24-2008 02:00 AM:
Welcome to the team!

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by odam2k on 10-24-2008 02:04 AM:
Thanks!

Let me share some of my early uhm, how shall we say, unsuccesses...

http://www.vimeo.com/2050961
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-24-2008 02:20 AM:
Hehe that's a nice collection of bad memories. I'm not sure if I can even say this as I'm pretty new to this group aswell but by all means Welcome.

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-24-2008 04:07 AM:
hey odam2k,
What is F3C I've been trying to find out for the longest but just haven't had any luck with the people that I ask??

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by rcmadness on 10-24-2008 04:23 AM:
Welcome aboard Odam2k, all I can say is when you put them in the dirt you go all the way!!!!! Those are rough looking crashes.

I like you signature. to me it means "Oh damn another $2000 dollars" in heli parts.

Trex-250-450se-450pro-500esp-600nitro-Predator Gasser

Posted by ruddernate on 10-24-2008 09:38 AM:
welcome odam2k. i laughed my butt off at that vid. that's awesome. i wish i had a vid of all my crashes but if i did i may have quit a long time ago. looks like a nice place you have to fly. what's up with the tape on the boom in your first pic. you may be a canuck but you've got a little redneck in ya. i like your style. i bet your underwear drawer is full of brown undies after watching your vid. new members mean more tips, more tricks and innevitably more crashes. git r done.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by odam2k on 10-24-2008 12:12 PM:
OH-6 Cayuse: From what I gather, F3C is a governing body for precision rc helicopter flying competition.

rcmadness: I really am afraid to pull out all those receipts I've saved and add them up! I only get paid once a month, so I'm down to one working helicopter at the moment, just waiting till next friday, then I can get em all fixed, and get back to pushing my limits and moving forward. Right now, I need to baby this one, although I probably have enough parts here for a crash or two...

ruddernate: We do a lot of camping in the summer, and I've found a few parks with good flying areas. I also fly with a bnch of locals at the soccer field at our local community center (this area has tons of parks) so we are very lucky, yes... The tape is on the boom of the Blade CP Pro, which has plasti-blades on it. Those blades are famous for chopping the boom in half, so the tape is extra thick right where the blades would strike, and then I continued it along the boom in single thickness just for looks. It has saved me many times...

Thanks all for the welcomes, I do hope I can provide some value to the thread, I certainly have enjoyed reading of your exploits!
Posted by Daveyg on 10-24-2008 12:33 PM:
Welcome to the club Odam.

anybody else notice it's starting to get a little chilly outside ?

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by odam2k on 10-24-2008 02:02 PM:
Thanks for the welcome Daveyg
Chilly? It was -1c this morning here (Toronto)

I remember living in Humble TX when people would be wearing hats and mitts, and I would be out there in shorts and t-shirt thinking how nice the weather was

Anyhow, did it again this morning.... dumped the Belt-CP, my last working helicopter Looks pretty superficial though, one blade grip, main blades, probably feathering shaft and main shaft...

But, I think I know whats going on.... This and my last crash, the heli just quit responding, last time it went nose down, and into the dirt... This time, it sort of just dropped, with no response at all from the controls.

One of two things is happening, either because of the cold, I'm reaching LVC much sooner (it was -1 this morning), or the receiver is losing its connection due to brownout (again, because of the cold)
(Spektrum AR6100 and DX6i)

Both flights used the Turnigy Plush 40A ESC, had all my new servos (HS65MG and a S9257) with the 401 in it....

Every since I've been using the new servos with this ESC I've had problems, so that has to be it, the previous crashes were somewhat unexplained as well (except one I know of)
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-24-2008 02:59 PM:
This might not help but check your wiring specially the wire that goes from the esc to the receiver maybe it's making contact with something or it might even be breaking off. I may be having problems with my esc aswell because from low to a little under middle stick the motor speed seems to be fluctuating??

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by Uplink Tom on 10-24-2008 04:40 PM:
A club for crashing? And no one called me?!?!

2 days ago.
I've been flying my Blade 400 for a few months, and recently got a Caliber 5. After practicing with the 400, the C5 was like it was on rails!. HallaLOOOOYA I'm hooked again. Now I have 2 helis at the ready. With a renewed enthusiasm that comes from DOZENS of crash free battery charges and over a gallon of fuel in the C5 (a record!)
I decided to blow off the dust and rebuild my old Caliber30 that has been sitting since last year.
While spending a couple hours setting up my Futaba 9C for the 30, somehow I deleted my settings for the B400. No problem, I'll set it up again after the C30 hovers. Success on the C30.

Here's the problem, only to be noticed later. It's late and dark outside. All I want to get done is get a rough dial-in on the Blade400/9C. After setting up the 2 Calibers, where swash-up equals pitch-up, I had one of those brainfart moments, and did the same on the Blade. Full stick up = swash-up, which MUST mean pitch-up.
I even dial in the pitch curve to what I remember it used to be, around -5 to +10. Never even looked at the blades, after all they were tracking perfectly a couple days ago.

Go outside under the floodlights in the driveway and just want a 30 second test hover to get things centered. ESC arms and I give 1/4 stick, blades start to spin. Half stick and it's not light on the skids yet....hhmmm. 3/4 stick and still on ground. Full stick and nothing...just spinning away. I figured maybe I screwed up the pitch curve.
In disgust, I chop the throttle and from 2400rpm of blade momentum, the thing takes off 6 feet and arcs over crashing upside down. I suddenly remembered on the B400, it's swash-down=pitch-up.

All 3 flying good now.

Tom
Posted by Papa Sal on 10-24-2008 05:35 PM:
Odam2k.......WELCOME Did you down load your stickers from Povern? You'll need them. I sure admire your video's it cheered me right up. Thanks Bro. Uplink Tom, I'm sure that was at least a two sticker experience Thanks for all the kind words Brutha's. I KNOW it will change soon. Odam, those lipo's hate real cold weather don't they? Start-n to get a little chill here as well. around 28-31F, not as cold as you......yet. Keep it up BOYZZZZZZZZZ

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-24-2008 07:00 PM:
I agree with papa sal, the weather might be just a little too cold for the lipo's. Maybe try to put a little heating blanket over it but watch out you don't want to get it too warm.

Welcome Uplink Tom, I almost did the same thing with my raptor once except I had the cyclic reversed where when I tuned the right stick to the left the flybar turned left aswell, well that's not the way your supposed to set it up(the swash has to turn left). Good thing I checked with an experienced pilot or I'm sure it would have been catastrophic!

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by odam2k on 10-24-2008 07:07 PM:
The cells all showed 3.8 or 3.7 when I checked them after, but who knows what they were while it was drawing power.... I'm gonna take it out next cold morning and strap it down and do some testing....

Two more months and I'll be flying NITRO! Whoohoo!
Posted by ruddernate on 10-24-2008 08:08 PM:
GO NITRO, GO NITRO GO!!!! nitro to me now is like cotton candy. i love the nitros. for one my electrics are a lot faster than my thumbs so i like the cushion of the nitro power delivery. gotta take the raptor apart still and see what's keeping my clutch from engaging.

hey madness and atv, how'd the show go? did you get a chance to hook up? i used to go to those shows but now i'm stuck in the shop. hope everyone gets some flying in this weekend. don't forget your brown undies.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 10-24-2008 09:09 PM:
OOOOOODam, you'll LOVE that 700. All my freinds here have one (5). We can only tell who's who by the T.B.S. stickers.lol Hey guys let me run something by you. I had an idea (watch out), how about using our 600e's for "Grounds Control"? Let me splain.... picture a BEAUTIFUL golf course......It's just you and your heli....and the flock of geese you're about to remove from the fair way or green. Now mind you the birds are use to humans...they are not use to a helecopter, so chances are when they fly away they won't come back for some time. Think the golf course owners will be happy??? the glofers??HHHHmmmmmmm??? Think they would PAY for you to do this HHHHHMMMMMMMMM???? Ok i'm crazy I know it. But I need heli partzzzzzzz

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by odam2k on 10-24-2008 09:31 PM:
Thats definately puttin the old noodle to use there Papa Sal!
Just don't send them geese back here to Canada, we're glad to see em go lol...
Posted by Papa Sal on 10-24-2008 10:11 PM:

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by odam2k on 10-24-2008 11:55 PM:
Ok, I have my BeltCP rebuilt (its the only one I have spare parts left for) and am just stubborn enough that I'm gonna go back out tomorrow morning and try this again

7 days till I can fix em all!
Posted by Papa Sal on 10-25-2008 01:19 AM:
WATCH THE TREEEEEEEZZZZZZZZ

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by odam2k on 10-25-2008 01:27 AM:
No Treeeezzz here, we fly at a soccer field on saturday mornings... most of the guys fly planks/gliders, only 3 of us fly heli's

I admit, I occasionally fly a HobbyZone Super Cub....
Posted by rcmadness on 10-25-2008 01:28 AM:
Hey everybody, sounds like everyone has had a busy week.

Papa Sal: I just caught up on the thread and read that you were worried about your job. I hate to hear that, we all fight that battle on and off throughout our careers. Just remeber that everything always works out. Just keep workin at something, I was $80k down in a business and walked away from it and I later realized it was the smartest thing I ever did. If I had not I would be dead by now from stress. Now i pretty much take my job and finacial success with a grain of salt. I would like to be remebered as a good man rather than a rich man.

ruddernate: Atv and I did not get to hook up at the oil show. I was there, he was there but we were never at the same place at the same time. I hate it because I would have liked to have visited with him.

By the way did I tell you guys I bought a sky tach, it is pretty cool. My hover rpm on my 450 is 2430 and idle up hover is 2650. I am going to check my 600 tomorrow and see what she is doing.

Trex-250-450se-450pro-500esp-600nitro-Predator Gasser

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-25-2008 01:34 AM:
oh man that's great, how much are those things i bet pretty expenssive huh? by the way isn't 2600 a little too high for hovering or what is the reccomended rpm for hover and throttle up?

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by rcmadness on 10-25-2008 04:55 AM:
The Sky Tach was $99 at the hobby shop. You can buy it on line for $89 but the shipping brings it up a little. I just saw it and decided I didn't want to wait for the mailman.

Idle up head speed can be as high as 3000 rpm if you flat line your idle up throttle curve at 100%. I like a little V in mine. I did raise it up to 80%/2850rpm and it pops better and is very stable. Higher head speed is you friend unless you hit the dirt.

Normal mode for take off and landing should be around 2400rpm which is around 70 to 75% on your throttle.

Trex-250-450se-450pro-500esp-600nitro-Predator Gasser

Posted by ruddernate on 10-25-2008 07:05 AM:
i've been wanting one of those skytach's. think i better just order one. my 450's head speed is crazy fast in st2 but i'm not sure exactly what it is. why don't you just bring the skytach and come on up to okie land. i've been guessing i'm close to 3000rpm in st2 but you know what they say about assuming. everybody gonna be flying this weekend? if so, happy flying.
welcome uplink tom, keep those three flying. i've been guilty of those setup mistakes that make me go duh later. part of it i guess. i've done a couple things that it only takes one time to learn the lesson. everybody stock up on undies for the weekend? what's everyone working on in real life and on the sim. in real life i'm just working nose in and stall turns. get brave once in a while and do a couple piros on my way down with the stall turns. on the sim i'm working on inverted hovering and some backward flight.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by odam2k on 10-25-2008 02:27 PM:
Pouring rain this morning

But at least it means no broken heli! he he
I'll also get more sim time, which is good....
Posted by Daveyg on 10-25-2008 02:46 PM:
Man,, sunny, 42 degrees, wind 4 mph and I need to work on the heli and I need to get ready for a race that starts at noon today.so many toys soo little time

was hovering and trying to do some forward flight yesterday and I noticed I had to hold some forward on the stick to keep it hovering. and have been adding forward trim a little every time I fly, my guess is I have a bum servo. guess it's time to jank the head off and level everything up.

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by povern on 10-25-2008 03:25 PM:
Since I'm out here in the stick by myself and my wife avoids me when I talk / fly helis, the optical tacks won't work for me.

I'm thinking of the eagle tree data logger. Eagle tree says it can store up to 5 flights, and then have an attachment to connects to the wires that go from you esc to the motor and then in the software you tell it pinion and gear size, it calc out the head speed.

Downs side is moving it between the two helis and can't use it on anyone else's bird.....

I just need to stop crashing long enough to pay for it. This morning I went 3 flights without a crash on the 450, best streak in 2 weeks. Talk about a depressing stretch.

Papa Sal, you think my 450 can take out a goose?

povern

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by ruddernate on 10-25-2008 06:02 PM:
it'll take out a goose alright. just gotta have more control over the disk than a bigger heli. sucks that the wife isn't in on your heli thing. mine's working on her plank skills on the sim. fixing to get in the shop and take the raptor apart. wish me luck.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by povern on 10-25-2008 06:06 PM:
Guys I have 2 King Power 3s1p, 2200, 25c bats brand new for sale, 2 flights on each, with connectors soldered on. They are just too heavy for how I fly. Check out the classifieds if your interested.

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
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Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-25-2008 06:27 PM:
Good luck ruddernate

Well what do you guys think about the t-rex500, I just bought one. I've been dying to fly one of those for so long. I saw my friends 500 once and I was pretty much hooked on getting one so hopefully it won't be a dissapointment. Well atleast I can use my 450's batteries, and all I need now for my 600 are those hefty little batteries.

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by rcmadness on 10-25-2008 06:34 PM:
No flying for me this morning. Painting Kitchen cabnit doors, I have to prime and paint 34 doors then I get to fly. Oh the wooos of honey dews.

Trex-250-450se-450pro-500esp-600nitro-Predator Gasser

Posted by ruddernate on 10-25-2008 06:59 PM:
madness, paint faster. oh-6 i think the 500 was a smart choice. i've been wanting one for a while now. love the thought of the electric in a larger format. i'll own one someday. let us know how you like it. have you started the build yet? love the simplicity and low parts count on the 500. get some pics man

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 10-25-2008 07:22 PM:
BUUUUUURRRRRRRRRR!!!!!! 25F is too @#$% cold to fly in....BUT I flew Odam, I know it's the cold now, i had a hard time getting my head speed up. (i LOVE my TX) used the vr knob for hover throt/ hover, worked great, but at first the whole heli shook up-down like I use too when i drank. Once the head speed came up it was sure fun. Played with EXPO on my TX. WOW what a cooooooool gaget. Now she's not so jerky at hover, nice and smooothePov NO hitting the geese We're just wanting them to go HOMEsoory odam and make $20.00 per hole or $40.00 per hour.....hugh, hugh? What you tink ????

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by odam2k on 10-25-2008 07:39 PM:
It finally stopped raining! It must have been the cold, cause I just got back from going through 6 batteries, and no problems at all.... I think when its really cold (below freezing) the battery just couldnt supply enough power and I had brownouts.

Anyhow, it was pretty windy just now, and I almost lost it on a nose-in hover in a crosswind, but thats just another streak in the shorts, and I can change my shorts faster than I can rebuild the heli....

Recharging batteries, and gonna go back out in a bit... Luckily I have the ability to charge up to 6 2200mah batteries at once.
Posted by Papa Sal on 10-25-2008 07:54 PM:
Odam...which charging system are you using? I have a Triton-2...only one battery at a time

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by odam2k on 10-25-2008 08:08 PM:
I have a PowerForce 20A 13.8VDC Power Supply, and an ElectriFly PolyCharge 4 charger, a G.T. Power A6 Charger, and the stock Blade 400 charger... The PolyCharger does not balance, but I take turns charging on the GT which has all the features. I also have the Blade CP Pro stock charger but I dont use the 800mah batteries much any more. I have 7 3S1P 2200mah batteries for the Blade 400 and BeltCP, and then 2 pairs of 3S1P batteries with a parallel patch cord on each pair so I have 2 sets of batteries (2x3S1P 2200mah = 3S1P 4400mah) for the Voyager E which is a 500 size. I also use the 2200mah batts in my Super Cub, and sometime make scratchbuilt foamies that use the 800mah

I have a XPower Portable Power Pack which I used to carry to the field with me so I could charge batteries, but now I have enough that I don;t need to do that, although I will likely get a generator for next year. Of course, next year I'll have the TRex 700N so may not need it

Posted by ruddernate on 10-25-2008 08:14 PM:
nice setup odam. i'll take a pic of mine later. it doesn't come close to yours but i'm mostly nitro. all i charge for is the 450 one at a time but it's pretty fast. i use the stock lama 4 charger and i have an exceed eagle 50 i also use the stock for. i'm wanting to get a power supply 12v. where'd you get the one your using? had an old computer but the ps was no good. i need something cheap. any recommendations?

will the 20 amp power force be enough. if so i found it at hobby lobby fairly cheap.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by odam2k on 10-25-2008 08:23 PM:
Thanks... I hated when I first started that I could putter around for 10 minutes (remember when you just hopped around, and a battery seemed to last forever?) and then had to wait an hour to recharge, so I just keep buying more batteries every month... Will get two more next week. I also bought 4 extras for my mCX too and, the cool thing is, I can charge them on the GT Power charger, it will do 1 cell down to .1a

That is a good price at hobby lobby. I paid about $90 cdn for mine at the LHS. (I'm an impulse buyer, I hate ordering online and waiting)

Nitro, I can almost smell it now.... he he
Posted by ruddernate on 10-25-2008 08:33 PM:
putting one on order as we speak.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by odam2k on 10-25-2008 08:35 PM:
Ruddernate, yes, I think the 20A is plenty.... I currently charge up to 6 batteries at 2.2A, so that leaves plenty of reserve, or at least I've never had the chargers complain...

They do occasionally complain about low voltage when I plug them into the cigarette lighter in the car though....

I made up an octopus type cable with a pair of bananna plugs to go into the power supply, and it splits into 5 deans plugs, which I put on all my chargers.... so I can plug up to 5 things into the power supply.
Posted by ruddernate on 10-25-2008 08:45 PM:
i'll just be using my multiplex multicharger. i've been using a car battery which i also have to charge. i just placed my order for the ps. can't wait. i've been wanting a charging station for a long time. i usually take my batt. to the field but i have enough batteries now i don't need to do that. also i spread the flying out between nitro and electric so i don't need to field charge. all my charging and balancing stuff is always scattered. i'm building work bench space in my shop and i'm going to build something of a charge station. can't wait till it's done. thanx for the advice.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-25-2008 08:49 PM:
Anyone else watching the TXvsOK game? They just barely got started

Those uniforms look too much like each other!!

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by Papa Sal on 10-25-2008 08:52 PM:
I love the one lipo hanging over the edge O.K. you two just wait til i get my gasser w/ onboard charging....MUUUHAHAHAHAHA!

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by odam2k on 10-25-2008 08:55 PM:
I'm doing the little 800mah ones in Storage mode, the balance plug wire on that one is pretty short
Posted by ruddernate on 10-25-2008 09:03 PM:
gassers are the way to go. just wouldn't even know how to get started. on board charging, 3 to 4 dollars a gallon. fuel price alone would buy the heli.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 10-25-2008 09:16 PM:
OH about $2000.00 IMHO should get you right there. OH-6 no sorry working.....say why are you guys bloging and NOT flying?...just asking. It's almost lunch time for me and i think i gonna fly-4-lunch

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by Papa Sal on 10-25-2008 09:19 PM:
OBTW....Century Preditor NE-SX Carbon Frame....incase you were wondering.

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-25-2008 09:20 PM:
Stock studing for a test, as soon I'm done it's flying time.

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by ruddernate on 10-25-2008 09:20 PM:
heading to the shop right now. working nights, i'm lazy on saturday mornings.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Uplink Tom on 10-25-2008 09:58 PM:
Anyone else watching the TXvsOK game? They just barely got started

Those uniforms look too much like each other!!
I'm in a TV truck right now broadcasting NC State @ MD. Pouring rain, the poor kids are having a real mud bowl.
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-25-2008 10:00 PM:
I'll check on ESPN to see if I can find that one

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by Uplink Tom on 10-25-2008 10:11 PM:
17 to 17 at half. I have 12 tv screens here, the biggest is 7" lol.
NC cheerleaders win hands down!!

Anyone want a free BladeCP?? It's a dust collecter hanging over my workbench.
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-25-2008 10:15 PM:
lol oh man I'm watching the wrong game I can't find it though!!

I'll take it if no one else wants it!

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by odam2k on 10-25-2008 10:18 PM:
Blade CP? hey, parts! I use mine for indoor flying...
Posted by Uplink Tom on 10-25-2008 10:33 PM:
I tried mine indoors once. For some reason the esc armed at full throttle. I still have circle marks all over the kitchen ceiling.
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-25-2008 10:35 PM:
What kind of TX do you have? Did you set up the fail safe right? A guy that I fly with didn't set his right and his swift did a number on him

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by Uplink Tom on 10-25-2008 10:38 PM:
It was the cheap little xmtr that came with the heli.
There's a failsafe setting on that thing???!!!

ahhhh...
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-25-2008 10:42 PM:
Oh I don't think so I thought maybe you were using something like a DX7, but I don't know what could have caused that Was the stick on the low position, or maybe it was a glitch or the trim lever was all the way up. Atleast the marks are not on your face that would have hurt

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by Papa Sal on 10-25-2008 10:54 PM:
AHHHHHHHHHHHH, what a GREAT lunch....it's 72F Frick-N-Windy are on vacation......I love No. Nevada. I think I'm at 60 gents. Ilove flying Let's see Football, flying, football, flying......FLYING

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by Uplink Tom on 10-25-2008 10:55 PM:
The whole thing was a blur-lol. It may have been a bad tx/rx link, or loose connection. Actually pretty funny. I'm sure if the heli was bigger it wouldn't have been.
Posted by odam2k on 10-25-2008 11:07 PM:
Hey, some people have to pay extra to get those fancy swirled ceilings...
Posted by Uplink Tom on 10-25-2008 11:09 PM:
JEEZE now I'm in deep mud...

I offer a free heli and I get 2 PM's in 3 minutes.

OH6 was the first.
Posted by povern on 10-25-2008 11:12 PM:
Uplink Tom,

Put me on the list, it isn't for me it is for a friend that is thinking of taking up the addiction.

I could even set it up where he could learn on it and then ship to one of the other guys....

povern

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by odam2k on 10-25-2008 11:12 PM:
lucky guy....
Posted by Uplink Tom on 10-25-2008 11:19 PM:
I'll box it up when I get home. I have 3 more minutes in this game, then I have to pack up camera cables in the rain and drive 4 hours home.
Gotta call the wife and tell her to put on that victoria secrets stuff.
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-25-2008 11:43 PM:
Great, Thanks!!

Have fun!!

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-25-2008 11:45 PM:
By the way TX wins 28 to 24OK!!

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by Papa Sal on 10-26-2008 12:11 AM:
Hey Uplink, does your wife have heli nighties too? Mine does...lol

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by rcmadness on 10-26-2008 12:24 AM:
Ok boys if you own a nitro and you don't own a sky tach or something similar you are missing some very important info. I just checked my 600n and I was way high on rpm's. normal mode hover= 1950rpm, St1-2250rpm at a hover. No wonder it vibrated sooooo much.

I have reset my normal mode to around 1800rpm and my st-1 mode to 2050. my tail fin is not shaking like it was. I will probably bring it down a little more tomorrow and see how it does.

Trex-250-450se-450pro-500esp-600nitro-Predator Gasser

Posted by ruddernate on 10-26-2008 01:18 AM:
man i missed the heli give away. flew the 450 around a while and worked on the plank. flew the lama 4 and had fun with the kids. my neighbor came over and was chewing the fat. looked at my trainer plane and said he had an airplane he'd give me if i wanted. i said sure. i ended up with a brand new 75 mghz jr radio all the servos and rx, a jr 800mah rx battery and a complete cadet plank. all brand new. he even gave me a brand new iron and all the material to cover the thing with. so i'm a new proud owner of another plank. not by choice but free is free. this one's all balsa and may take me a year to build. but looks like fun. so once again the plank stole my heli time. i was planning on finishing some things on the plane to get it off my main work table and ended up at the neighbors and didn't get anything finished. i am up in the big numbers again though. completed flight number 35 today. where's everyone at? how bout you new members? how many flights ya got?

fly it like you stole it

Posted by odam2k on 10-26-2008 01:58 AM:
I flew 6 batteries earlier today, but the wind has kicked up, gonna try again in the morning. So I'm at #6 I've been having problems with temp (below freezing) and my receivers dropping out (Spektrum) and losing control of the heli... I went three weeks without crashing, then as soon as I upgraded my servos, I went about 10 flights where I crashed EVERY time, couldnt understand it... guess I'm a little thick, but it finally sunk in that the low temp was making the batteries unable to provide the power... So today I went out when it was nice and warm, and had 6 good flights. I did just take it easy though, no flips or rolls.... just a little nose in and some piros....
Posted by ruddernate on 10-26-2008 02:29 AM:
hey odam2k, have you ever thought about putting one of those hand warmer packs from wal mart on both sides of your batteries. never tried it but it may give you enough heat to keep the batts warm.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by rcmadness on 10-26-2008 05:08 AM:
Ruddernate you lucky son of a gun, a free airplane with all the equipment. You will have some fun with that, it will keep you busy this winter when the wind is howling and it 18deg outside. The cadets fly good to.

good idea on the hand warmers, odam can also put a hot pack in a small igloo cooler and keep the batts warm while he flies. Pop the cooler open grab a warm pack and keep flying.

Now how to make a hot pack: fill a tube sock with uncooked rice (not minute rice the old style stuff) sew the end shut. you want it about 3/4 full. Now when you want it hot pop it in the microwave for 3 or 4 minutes on high and it will get hot. it is great for keeping things warm and also great to put on sore muscles and joints.

That is right up there with the tongue depressors for heli skis Papa Sal.

Trex-250-450se-450pro-500esp-600nitro-Predator Gasser

Posted by odam2k on 10-26-2008 10:53 AM:
Was gonna post last night, but the system said I could only make 10 posts in an 8 hour period... he he

Anyhow, I thought about the handwarmers wrapped around the battery, but they get pretty hot, and there's no room once they are on the heli, especially on the BeltCP, maybe the Blade 400... Fantastic idea with the cooler though... I picked up a whole bunch of the chemical handwarmers and have actually used em in my sneakers to keep my toes warm, but I'll definately do the cooler thing next time. In fact, I can see myself making a little custom styrofoam container to hold my batteries and some handwarmers

Well, its 7 degrees celcius (44F) this morning, and very light winds, so it looks like I'll get to go flying once it gets light out, yippee!!
Posted by odam2k on 10-26-2008 03:02 PM:
Just got back... it was way too windy at the field, so we ended up at this spot I know where there's a big industrial building with a u-shaped loading area at the back. The open end of the U was facing away from the wind, so we mucked around in there. Did some low level nose in, piros, a few collective punches etc, not a lot of room for flying around though. Anyhow successfully flew 3 more batteries so am up to 9 flights without mishap now.

I just have to say, putting quality servos on the heli makes a huge difference... I'm flying my BeltCP now and took the good gear off my Blade 400, and it flies as good as the 400 did. I always hated flying the BeltCP as it just didn't respond as nicely, and seemed so jittery.... I put HS65MGs on the cyclic, and a Futaba 401 gyro and a S9257 Servo on the tail, and its rock solid!
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-26-2008 03:03 PM:
I guess you guys didn't read my post about this but you could just wrap the battery in paper foil with something like a paper towel(or a small cloth) in between to keep the weight down? It's own heat will keep it warm but not to an excessive level.
Basically like an engine warmer for cars, but I've never tried that so you might want to watch out

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by odam2k on 10-26-2008 03:34 PM:
Thats a good idea... Unfortunately I wont get a chance to try it, the forecast for the next couple days here is warmer (+4-+8C in the mornings) and VERY WINDY... I did pick up a BEC today and will be installing that as well, just to be on the safe side, but since it warmed up, I haven't had any problems. I think my Turnigy Plush 40A has a problem with the BEC providing enough current when its cold and the battery is less capable.
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-26-2008 08:36 PM:
so I got to add 3 flights to my record, 89 flights and still counting. The weather here is so beautiful to fly but I decided to call it a day because I stared right into the sun and it kind of messed me up. Well hopefully you guys got some flight time and good weather to go along.

Hey odam did you try the new esc??

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by ruddernate on 10-26-2008 08:47 PM:
got 3 flights in myself on the 450. a little windy here today but had fun. finally got the plank finished as well. just need a tee to put in the fuel line to fill her up and tune up the motor. should be here tomorrow. i couldn't bring myself to take one off my heli. that would be blasphemy. finally have room on my work table for the raptor again. now i'm gonna get out there and figure out what is wrong with the heli. i'm not even gonna mess with the plank my neighbor gave me unless all the helis are in tip top. should have my power supply in a couple days as well. next week i'm gonna go ahead and order the sky tach. it's almost like christmas. at least till i crash something. this weekend so far so good. gonna put a couple flights in this evening in the back yard and a few on my eagle 50. hope everyone's weekend was a success with minimal damage to there shorts. flight 38 and a few more to go tonight.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by odam2k on 10-26-2008 10:04 PM:
OH-6 Cayuse: Just got a BEC, I'll keep using the Turnigy ESC, but add this hexTronic UBEC once I get a chance to do some testing when it gets cold again. I'm gonna just run it up weighted down on the ground, and see if the receiver reboots, or the built in bec fails. It was fine today since it was fairly warm.

ruddernate: We have stores here called Princess Auto (http://www.princessauto.com) dunno if you have em in the US, but I picked up an Optical Tach on sale for $28.00 a couple weeks ago... It was in the store, not online. Dont know how much your planning to pay for the sky tach, but maybe check for one on automotive sites? Just thought I'd mention it... I also got a laser thermometer for $38...
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-26-2008 10:23 PM:
That's a really good price for a tach!!! I haven't seen them so cheap around here, that's why I don't have one.

By the way would anyone happen to know where I can get some balancing connections? I want to start charging my 3s lipo's 2 at a time and I already made the Y harness with the dean plugs but I need 1 3s balancer connection and one 6s. I was about to just plug 2 of the batteries with only the dean Y harness but I don't want to risk messing up my batteries.

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by ruddernate on 10-26-2008 10:55 PM:
http://www.astroflight.com
you might try here for the connectors you need. i use the astro blinky balancer and i love it. i need to get another one. still charging one at a time. just flew the rappy and guess what i figured out. i noticed last time i started her that the blades slowly rotated backwards. they wouldn't engage the clutch and take off spinning but would slowly go backwards at an idle. so i did some research and found if the idle mixture is to rich it can hiccup and start the motor running backwards. so i leaned out the idle mix and presto, fixed. i had her very rich for break in so i needed to lean her out a little. it would bog down when i'd start to idle up so i knew she was rich on the bottom end so it was needing it. i got 3 flights in on her and she's flying very well. got the plank finished and all the helis are flying well. it's a happy day. 41 flights no crashes. i'll shop around for the tach but closest i've found was online for $89 plus shipping. so 100 bucks. i feel like an idiot not knowing exact headspeed. i've calculated it on my 450 on paper to be around 2850 so i'd like to find out for sure. anyways, i'll quit ramblin' happy flying guys.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by ruddernate on 10-26-2008 11:03 PM:
here's another link that might be better. http://www.thunderpowerrc.com

fly it like you stole it

Posted by odam2k on 10-26-2008 11:18 PM:
I tach'd my BeltCP today, 2330rpm idle up 0 pitch, 2150 full pitch (+11)

Havent done the others yet...
Posted by odam2k on 10-26-2008 11:19 PM:
Hey, I just got promoted to Heliman
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-26-2008 11:31 PM:
Thanks ruddernate! That's really weird by the way I'm glad you got it figured out without having to take everything appart, that'll come in handy in the future.

Odam congrats, Oh man I'm 2 posts well one after this one away from becoming a Senior heliman ALRIGHT!!

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-26-2008 11:45 PM:
no luck I counln't find any of those connectors the TP page has some but I'm not sure if the right one's

haha what do you know I'm a Senior heliman now

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by Uplink Tom on 10-26-2008 11:48 PM:
I better start posting more to get my senior status too.

If you take away the dumb mistake I made about setting the swash backwards when I re-programmed my radio, I calculated I'm up to 40 packs without a crash on my B400. Today I just emptied out my first gallon on the Caliber5. Granted it's only been tuning up, hover, and figure 8's, but after years, that's a record for me.
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-26-2008 11:54 PM:
hehe yeah just keep posting Hey it doesn't matter as long as you don't crash!!

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by ruddernate on 10-27-2008 12:01 AM:
almost finished up my first complete gallon on my new os 50 hyper. i leaned the top end out a little just now and flew another tank. she's pretty much broke in i guess, but i'm still just hovering and checking temp. doing some nose in to keep in practice. i'm psyched that everything is working on all my birds and in one piece. i'm heli high.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by odam2k on 10-27-2008 12:07 AM:
So you nitro guys, did you go from a 450 to a large nitro? I'm just curious how I'll find it when I get my TRex 700N around christmas. I know that the difference between my Blade 400 and my Voyager E (a 500) is very noticable, its much more stable. I'm looking forward to the 700, yet it scares me too, that thing seems more dangerous than juggling chainsaws!
Posted by Uplink Tom on 10-27-2008 12:09 AM:
I had 3 gallons ready last year but never used them. I bought a Quick50 and could never get it to fly fight. I don't know if it was the heli's fault or mine, but it had the shakes. I tried 2 new clutches/fans, new blades. Finally when I DID get it hovering, the t/r shaft bent in mid air. I gave up.
Last month I bought a C5, took out all the guts from the Quick and put them in the Caliber, and from the next day it's been trouble free fun.
I'm gonna put the quick airframe up for sale dirt cheap.
Posted by Uplink Tom on 10-27-2008 12:21 AM:
Odam,
For me it was like the 50 size was in slow motion. Super easy after chasing a little 400 around this summer.
I'm playing it a lot safer with the 50. The a$$ pucker is a lot tighter when the parts costs more. I'm used to flying the 400 close in, simply because I loose orientation. I'm still a little scared to have the 50 turn towards me. I have to learn to get it out there futher.

That 700 will have even more pucker factor
Posted by ruddernate on 10-27-2008 01:00 AM:
i agree with uplink. i went from 450 rex to a raptor 50 and it's like slow motion. the 700 will be even more noticeable than your 400 to 500 jump. you're going to love it. i'm jealous. i like the chainsaw comparison. i always say it's like whipping a brushhog blade around in the air but no guard and 10 times as fast. those 700's are huge. be nice to see some build pics when you get it. i've heard it's like all other trex's , low parts count and smooth build.

hey uplink tom, get that thing up 2 crashes high and spin her around. don't forget you can always bail out. it's so much easier with the larger helis. like nike, just do it.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by rcmadness on 10-27-2008 04:57 AM:
You guys looking for connectors might try here. http://www.fmadirect.com/ If nothing else the list all the compatable connectors and wiring diagrams.

Flying did someone say flying. My paint brush flew every which way to get those dang kitchen cabnits finished.

I did manage to ease out the door this morning to go to the flying field, I flew a few tanks amoungst the plank buzzing around. I mostly worked on my throttle curves, my new found understanding of head speed has made me work a little harder on setting up the transition in the bottom of the V. It now kinda looks like a U.

Well it is off the the intranet for a new canopy. My plastic wind shield warped on my milk jug canopy. I tried to straighten it out but mad it worse.

Hope everyone has a great week.

Trex-250-450se-450pro-500esp-600nitro-Predator Gasser

Posted by odam2k on 10-27-2008 04:26 PM:
Well, this morning I showed up at the soccer field at 7:45am It was light enough, and the wind had died down, and it was dry...

I opened up the back of the car to get the heli out, and found I had forgotten my radio at home, ARGHH!

So back home, picked it up, back to the field, and just as I plugged in the battery, it started raining

No flying this morning....

Looks ok out there now, hope it holds till noon, maybe I can get a couple batteries in on my lunch hour if the thunderstorms don't start first.
Posted by odam2k on 10-27-2008 05:53 PM:
Lucky for me, the park I fly at is half way between work and home, and home is only 5 minutes away from work! So on my lunch I went to the park and flew 4 batteries worth... it is WINDY out there.... did some nice high collective punches into the wind, tons of piros, and even a fwd flip, but the wind blew me about 60 feet! The flip went very slow, but never lost control of it...

That was awesome flying in that wind.... gonna stop after work if its not raining, still have 3 more batteries to go through (didn't bring my chargers to work today)

I think thats lucky 13 now without any incidents...
Posted by Uplink Tom on 10-27-2008 07:31 PM:
Nice on the flip. You're making me want to go outside and try. I better not.
Posted by odam2k on 10-28-2008 10:12 AM:
Well, I did get out after work yesterday, but after one flight I noticed a weird noise and couldn't tell what it was so I didn't fly any more. Good thing, when I got home and went over the heli, I noticed a bearing on the tail rotor shaft had basically disintigrated. Replaced it, and now I'm all set to go again today if the weather cooperates. Looks ok this morning if it holds till it gets light, but later today its supposed to get windy, 50km/h with gusts up to 70km/h. (31mph gusting to 43mph)
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-28-2008 10:30 AM:
that's really great, I'm glad you decided to stop and check your heli!! So where is everyone else?

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by Uplink Tom on 10-28-2008 01:57 PM:
Sitting inside avoiding the wind and rain. I guess I could charge some batteries or oil a bearing or something....jeeeze.

still gotta pack a box
Posted by odam2k on 10-28-2008 02:20 PM:
By the time it got light this morning, the wind was already blowing 40km/h So I brought my BeltCP into the office and hovered around for a battery... gotta have my fix!

http://vimeo.com/2089788

Now I'll get the mCX out and play for a bit, then I suppose I should get to work....

I have decided to dump my BeltCP (well, hang it on the wall and leave it there) and gonna pick up a T-Rex 450SA, I know, its a cheap one, but its better than this BeltCP which no matter what I do I cannot get the blades to track properly... short of replacing the entire head on it, I figure I'd be better off with the TRex.
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-28-2008 03:32 PM:
cool vid!! That should really work out well, I think the 450 is slightly bigger so it should be a little more stable. You won't have any problem keeping it in one spot with a good set up.

Oh man you guys I'm like 30 minutes away from flunking a test I really hope I do good on this one.

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by odam2k on 10-28-2008 05:11 PM:
Hope you did ok on your test....

The BeltCP is actually the same size as the TRex 450, and Blade 400, etc... This BeltCP is really sloppy, and I can't get it to track properly, thats why I'm gonna retire it...

I've actually just struck a deal (almost finalized) on a Raptor 30V2, so I think I'm gonna go that route instead of another 450 size bird... This will be an intro to nitro for me, in preperation for 700N I still plan on getting around christmas.

If all goes well, I should be flying the Raptor this weekend

Man, now I'm so excited I won't get any work done.....
Posted by Papa Sal on 10-28-2008 11:54 PM:
Great Job this weekend Gents! Not any horror stories. I was a Great weekend for me....#62 and going strong. Odam, you're gonna like the 30....I love the smell of burn-in nitro Hey Madness...I can't finf that other sim you were talking about a while back, since I can't get my Clearview to work until we buy another computer or find a bigger video card for ours. RN never thought that it was runnin backwards..great info Bro. Well it's back to work for me, weather is going to turn nasty now any way. Keep em flyin bouyzzzzz

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by odam2k on 10-29-2008 12:23 AM:
Is the weather nasty everywhere? It sure is windy here, and doesn't look like there will be any flying for a couple days, I'm already gettin the shakes

There are a couple clubs that offer indoor flying, one is Friday night, but no flying this friday cause its halloween, and the other is sunday, and 4 hours in a school gym, but its a 50 mi drive... looks like I'll be taking a drive on sunday

I've sealed the deal on the Raptor, I'm a little nervous, I've only been flying for 4 months, and all electric. Man, I thought there was enough learning there... now to start all over, I don't even know how to start a nitro 'copter yet. Lucky I'm buying it from a friend I fly with every week, so I'll get lots of instruction from him.

Wow, four months, from a Blade CP Pro to a Raptor 30 nitro... I'll have to really reign in that urge to try flipping it. When I got the Voyager, I said I wouldn't try anything wild, but within a couple flights, I was doing flips, and thats when I crashed it...

From what I was told, the Raptor 30 isn't much of a 3D machine, but then again, I'm looking for an intro to nitro, something I can fly when its cold... I'm joining a club here where the heli guys fly all winter long... I'll save the flips etc for the TRex 700N assuming the wife will still lets me get it The Raptor will be my 6th heli in 4 months.... I'm lucky, she's supportive of all this...

Anyhow, enough rambling for tonight.... hope you all had a good day, and that the weather isn't preventing you from flying....
Posted by povern on 10-29-2008 12:33 AM:
odam,

Add the raptor to your sig.....

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by odam2k on 10-29-2008 01:01 AM:
Done

Guess I can't get any more heli's now, I'm already at the limit of 100 chars for my sig.

Oh my, I just crashed my mCX.... into the dog.... he he

Broke the head on it (the mCX, not the dog!)

Does that count against my 14 good flights? Its not really a real helicopter is it?
Posted by Panda on 10-29-2008 01:12 AM:
Just getting used to my new bird (rex 450). Ive ran through about 10 batteries this weekend. Yesterday morning was alittle windy here, and after I had set the heli down from hovering, the wind took it over and had to replace the mainshaft, tail rotor blades, and one set of servo gears. Ive replaced less when I really have done a number! Im still getting used to all the controls and am practicing my hovering. Im coming off of an Axe CP, so I think I'm anticipating too much on the stick. I did get it back together yesterday and flew one pack tonite, but the wind picked up again, too much for my liking. Hopefully tomorrow will be a better day!
Posted by Uplink Tom on 10-29-2008 01:15 AM:
Odam, you're gonna love nitro as soon as you learn the ways of the holy needle valve.

Over a few years I converted/sold ALL my nitro planes. I have 8 or 9 E-powereds that range from Park450 size, 25 , 45, up to 1800W 90 size. Then I started missing nitro again. I bought a 120 size 4-stroker from a fellow club member, and now the nitro helis.

People were doing plenty of 3D with the Raptor30, then they moved on to the next heli flavor of the year, then suddenly people say...oh that's not good for 3D. I bet the R30 got more people started than all other brands combined.

50 mph winds and horizontal rain here. No flying for a couple days. AND my Phillies win is put off for another day.

Tom
Posted by odam2k on 10-29-2008 01:24 AM:
Thats what scares me, I dunno even know what a needle valve is... but I think I'm gonna learn... ok, I can guess, but I really am nervous....
Posted by Uplink Tom on 10-29-2008 01:31 AM:
...dunno even know what a needle valve is...
It's a little tapered screw that leads to run down starter batteries and glow batteries, stalled motors, much swearing..

But that only lasts for the first couple of tanks. After it's set, it's fine.
Posted by rcmadness on 10-29-2008 02:06 AM:
Now uplink tom: don't be scaring the new guy. Tell him the truth, it is a little valve on all nitro engines that was invented by satan himself to deter new hobbiest from seeking pleasure in the hobby they have spent sooooo much money to get started in.

Papa Sal: RCHeli sim is the one I use. It is a 1mb program that will run on any pc. It is the easiest sim I have ever used and very simple. Do not expect a lot of options or set up options.

[url=http://www.marksfiles.net/HeliSimRC/index.htm]

Trex-250-450se-450pro-500esp-600nitro-Predator Gasser

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-29-2008 03:02 AM:
Hey how come no one said hi to panda? Well anyways welcome man that's a very tragic story, I dread the day that it happens to me.

Well you guys today was a good day for me, I THINK i did good on my test and got my T-rex 500 flying, after completely rearenging the whole head which only took about an hour. I went to a park with my friend Mike and did a test flight. Well it couldn't have been any smoother, I can't believe how much of a difference it is from flying the 450! And well after I got home I still needed a little fix so I got the 450 out and just hovered around. Well I'm up to 95 flights on the 450 and 1 on the 500

Hey Odam congrats on the rappy!! You're going to have fun with it and won't believe how much more stable they are than the little helis.

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by Uplink Tom on 10-29-2008 03:16 AM:
Panda still owes me money!!!

It was Chicago in '85... he said you buy this round and I'll buy the next. Then he took off with a redhead and left me with the tab.

well ok, maybe it wasn't him. or Chicago...

Yo Panda!
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-29-2008 03:17 AM:

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by ruddernate on 10-29-2008 09:51 AM:
team bs is an elite group of experienced pilots that takes years to become integrated into. it creates an elitist mentallity that comes off as snobby. that's why noone said hi to panda. just kidding these are a bunch of good guys and all it takes to join in is a few brown streaks in your undies. they have to be caused by the helis, not last nights mexican dinner. that's the truth about satan's needle valve madness. now i have to do it all over again on the super tiger 40 engine. i'm gonna test run it tomorrow, which for you guys is today. welcome panda and congrats on the rappy odam. you can always upgrade to a 50 with the same airframe if you ever want more power out of that thing. judging from other's experience though for a new nitro guy, it's plenty for now. have fun guys. and keeping with tradition we need more crash stories. it just doesn't feel like home on this thread without at least 4,5 crashes a week.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by odam2k on 10-29-2008 11:48 AM:
Welcome Panda... I'm new here as well, this is a great bunch of guys.

Looks like I may get to fly this morning, the wind is only about 15km/h (about 9mph) Looks like I'll get to fly while it's snowing! Fingers crossed, still have an hour till it gets light.

Gonna try putting my batteries in a cooler with some of those freezer packs that you use to keep things hot or cold... Just throw them in boiling water and put em in the cooler with the batteries.

I hope I'm not the first one to report a crash this week!
Posted by odam2k on 10-29-2008 04:17 PM:
Two more flights this morning... 16 now... brrr... flying in the snow, ha...
The batteries were nice and warm, and no crashes! The wind picked up on my second flight, and the heli was bouncing up and down a couple feet in the wind, I was worried I wouldn't be able to land it, but there was a building there that I could get behind and sheltered from the worst of the wind. Once I flew over to it, I was able to land... I think I need a sticker for that one
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-29-2008 05:16 PM:
Hehe Good job Odam here is your sticker I hope it works

Haha it looks like crap but anyways good job.

Well I flew two more times with the 500 in the morning, can't believe how smooth it flies.

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by sonnyhad on 10-29-2008 06:13 PM:
your record
Hi,
I have crashed twice from within 3 feet of the ground just tryin to get the hover going for a bit. 1st time i broke the skid and a blade holder. Second time i broke the bottom of the frame and a blade holder.
I have the real flight simulator and practice quite a bit but it would take me a year to get 2000 hours on it!
On the positive side, i am become better at repair. The negative is that its nickel and dimeing me! I know its really not easy to just pick up one of these Heli's and fly, in fact almost impossible for most of us, without practice on a simulator. How long did it take you to get to the point where you could actually hover your heli and bring it down without a crash?
Any words of encouragement will help!!!

Thanks and keep the record growing, I hope to get there, one day pretty soon.
Sonny
Posted by sonnyhad on 10-29-2008 06:27 PM:
Crashes!
Hey Ruddernate!!

I am very new here and if it makes you get your count up to where you feel better, I have two this week alone!! I am just tryin to get Hovering down and get the feel of the heli and transmitter. There is a guy at the local hobby shop who knows his stuff! He went over my heli, a Trex 450 gave me a few things to correct and then made final adjustments and took it out and flew it!! So I know this thing will fly, but I have not gotten to the point where i can fly it yet. I feel I am getting close, and I shouldnt have tried to fly it in one stall of the garage, but i did, and broke it again! Darn.
More time on the simulator. And the guy at the hobby shop suggested one of those little birds you hold in the palm of your hand for 130.00 to fly around in the house. He said it would help get the feel of the actual heli and would help a bunch. Anyone have an opinion on that?
Its good to see a bunch of newby's like me here!! I am sure i will pick up some great tidbits of wisdom along the way.

Sonny
Posted by odam2k on 10-29-2008 06:32 PM:
rcmadness posted a link earlier to a free simulator called HeliSimRC.

First, THANKS!

Second, if you haven't checked it out, then you should...

I have RealFlight G4, and have installed g4.5 beta, but decided to check this free one out for three reasons,

1) its free

2) its only a meg in size, and doesn't require that you have the newest or most expensive system... G4.5 runs on my work laptop. but not my home desktop with cheapy graphics card.

3) it installs in a single folder, doesn't write any files outside this folder, which means I'd be more comfortable with it on my work laptop (I'm a programmer)

The only thing is check out his list of supported transmitters, yours may or may not work, but the RealFlight controller IS supported, and he states that his list only includes those that people bothered to tell him that worked, so yours may work even if its not on the list... I haven't tried my DX6i yet, I don't have a usb cable for it...

Anyhow, on to the sim... I installed it, and fired it up...

Simply amazing.... it may lack the features of G4, and the selection of different models, this one is a sim of the 450 size heli, thats it, but it flies amazingly well, just like G4 if you ask me... maybe even a little smoother... I haven't really played too much with it (I'm at work, and just installed it this morning) but it has one feature that makes this my fav sim... In the Training Modes, it has something called Random Attitudes.... It basically starts with the heli in some random attitude (you choose the difficulty and altitude) and you have to quickly save it before it crashes... My fist thought is that this should be the official sim of Team BS! he he

Anyhow, its like my flips, sometimes they work, sometimes I end up in some completely random attitude, JUST LIKE THE SIM! its perfect practice....

Do yourself a favor, and check it out, I don't know the author, and never even heard of this before this morning, but I wish I saw this before plunking down $200 for RealFlight... I've already recommended it to a buddy who's computer was too old to run RF..

Here's the link again in case you don't want to go back looking for it:

http://www.marksfiles.net/HeliSimRC/index.htm

OH-6 Cayuse Thanks for the sticker!

Everyone I have a question, whats the max wind you are ok flying in? Now, I know size matters here, I'm talking a 450 size electric, like a Blade 400 or TRex 450. But I'd also like to hear your answers for bigger sizes too... I've been flying in some pretty windy conditions here lately, and nobody local wants to go fly with me they say its too windy

Now, these are the same guys who don't normally take risks, and me on the other hand have no problem pushing myself to the limit, and often end up crashing, sometimes many times in one day...

So I'm starting to ask myself, am I so addicted to this stff that I'm taking unnecessary risks? Or am I just having fun!
Posted by odam2k on 10-29-2008 06:46 PM:
Hey sonnyhad, welcome from another noobie...

Don't let it get you down... At least you have a great heli to learn on... I started with a Blade CP Pro, and even though I can easily hover my Blade 400 now, I still have a hard time keeping the CP PRo in the air

I have a bunch of videos on YouTube that track my progress, maybe they will give you an idea of the timeline. They are all dated.

http://ca.youtube.com/user/odam2k

I've been flying now for 4 months exactly, and can do flips, rolls, getting better at nose-in hovering, but still suck at side in hovering and controlled forward flight, but working on it....

First off, you have training sticks on it? They will save you a lot of $$ when you're starting out, but make sure you are on a smooth surface, pavement, concrete etc, they catch on grass and dirt...

How often do you get to practice? If you are lucky and live in the south where its warm still, you can go nuts all winter, its a little harder up here when there's already snow on the ground (but I still flew this morning) Nothing helps more than lts of practice... Definately sim time is gonna help you build up the muscle memory in your fingers, you can't fly a helicopter as long as you still have to THINK about correcting it, you have to be doing that instictively, which is why I still can't hover side-in yet, its jst not instinctive yet.

Good luck with it, and don't give up, you will get it if you practice enough.... I've heard (on an AllThingsThatFly Podcast, from Dave Herbert as a guest) that of all the people who decide to learn to fly an RC helicopter, that only 4% ever follow through and actualy become proficient at it) I gave up earlier this month when I crashed on EVERY flight, about 10 in a row... Every time I took a helicopter out of the house, it came back broken... that was depressing, and eventually I got past that hurdle... I've had 16 good flights in a row now

As for the little heli, I think you mean the Blade mCX? No, it won't help you learn to hover... I just bought one to play with over the winter when I'm stuck inside, and its great fun, but it hovers by itself,... it might help you learn to fly in different orientations, maybe, but it will be of absolutely no help learning to hover (in my opinion)
Posted by Papa Sal on 10-29-2008 06:58 PM:
Hello And Welcome: Panda & Sonnyhad graet job you guys in the wind. Even though you may get some bumps and bruises it's good practice! Sonny: it took me almost 1-1/2 years to hover good. Odam ony took 4 months, so it varies. Just take your time and have FUN Madness: THANK-YOU, THANK-YOU, THANK-YOU I now now have an aux sim for FREE.Need to play with all the settings to get it a little more faster, but it seems to work fine. Can't get the audio to work, but haven't played with it long enough OR read all the instructions (one of my biggest problems) Now all I can say is GO Team Brown Streak! And let it snow! Thanks again my Brutha

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by Papa Sal on 10-29-2008 07:11 PM:
Odam...Be careful in strong GUSTS. they'll send your 450 class heli to the next county But the 600 or larger size will just bounce them around (even my over weight 30 size Hawk)It's VERY good collective control practice.....DON'T panic! Altitude IS your freind But if Frick-N-Windy come and play around 15-20k...Stop! Or go up! and get use to it first. Because not only gusts near the ground but also ground resonance will hurt you real BAD Stock up on "head" parts...lol

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by odam2k on 10-29-2008 07:26 PM:
It only took me four months to get to this point cause I was lucky, I have multiple helicopters, so I ALWAYS had at least one that was in flying condition, some people have to wait for parts in the mail, or even wait to fix it... I also have many batteries (4 for the CP Pro and 11 for the bigger helis) and would even take my charger to the field with me if I was gonna be there a while. Plus when it was warmer, and lighter out, I spent an hour or two in the morning before work, an hour on my lunch, and then 2 to 3 hours in the evening flying... Like I said, I'm hooked, I've got this disease about as bad as you can get it... (Yeah, I've already thought about moving south now that winter is approaching, my wife is american, so its a possibility!) I figure I've been averaging about $1,500 a month for these four months, including new heli's (5 of them now) and parts to fix them when I crash... Funny, when I bought the Blade CP Pro, it was $250, and I remember thinking it was more than I thought I could afford, but what the heck....

The heli sure was bouncing around this morning in the wind... I can't wait to get the Voyager fixed, it would fare better, and of course, the new rappy will be an even bigger improvement, although I'll want to get used to it before I start pushing myself....
Posted by Papa Sal on 10-29-2008 07:38 PM:
OH-6 don't you just LOVE that 500???? I wish i would have waited for that beauty Did you have to get a second mortgage for the batteries?...lol Which one ARE you using if you don't mind telling us Odam move down here to Reno. it get's cold but it doesn't last long

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-29-2008 07:45 PM:
Odam great review on the sim, just by reading it I wanted to try it out and I'm downloading as I type this. About the wind, I'm guessing 15mph is pushing it. The plus of flying in the wind is that you become really good at it and by now you're probably better at flying than the weenies that don't fly in windy days. I personally learned when it was windy and I believe it was much better as now when there is no wind I kind of get bored.

Welcome sonnyhad!!! I completely agree with Odam, you need some training gear, they should sell some at your HS. Although I would recommend you to go to home depot or another hardware store and get some finishing sticks(there just long wooden rods that they use in houses to fill in holes). All I did to build mine was to use two tie wraps and make an X with two stick and tie wrap it to the skids. One thing to remember is not to give up after a crash, I would recommend you to try not to try any forward or side flying. Just concentrate with hovering in one spot and use your sim A LOT. I took about 3 weeks on the sim and after that I started hovering until I could stay in one spot than I moved to nose in, and then on the sides. I've been flying for a month now and can do some 8's and other little things but my point is to take it slow and DON'T PANIC when you're flying. I've noticed that paniking is just a killer when it comes to flying. I would actually recommend you to get the blade CX, yes they are very stable and practically fly themselves but you will get great orientation and get lots of stick time. Well hopefully that was helpfull so now I have to try out that sim that odam was talking about. Stay in touch and let us know you're progress!! Maybe we can give you some tips or boost your confidence!!

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by ruddernate on 10-29-2008 07:57 PM:
hey sonnyhad, keep pluggin along. you'll get there. just know that crashing and fixing is at least half the hobby. it gets better though. now days i only crash when i pull an odam2k and push my limits. odam, do what ya feel man. people love to tell you how not to crash, but i'm paying for it and i'm fixing it. i don't like crashing but i love pushing things. i have gotten a little more conservative in my flying but i still do things i'm not comfortable with sometimes. how else do you learn? sonnyhad, my opinion on the little heli is this: i bought the lama 4 from esky which is also a coaxial and can pretty much hover itself. 1st off it's a lot of fun and i can get my fix on windy days and 2nd it's taught me a lot as far as muscle memory. when starting it helps get rid of the panick mode that sets in when the heli turns to face you. it is just another training tool that is more forgiving. nose in and turns are fun to practice on the lama. it's not going to be like flying your larger helis but the directions of input are the same. i've found it very useful. this heli was recommended to me while learning by atvracer and he was right. and i have a blast with it in the shop while i'm working. i've not flown the cx but i've seen it flown and my comment was, "it flies just like my lama." it helps eliminate the pucker factor and less risk involved while learning. just keep in mind it's for basics , when you get your big heli up it's gonna be a lot different but you'll have better instincts. i'm like odam on the wind, i fly when i shouldn't. it doesn't take a lot of wind to really bounce it around. i just stay high and keep my altitude up. also stay in st1 or st2 where you have some negative pitch so that you can force the heli down if need be. in idle up it may disappear on ya into the clouds. anyways i've taken up enough room on this thread so i'll stop now. later guys.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-29-2008 08:05 PM:
Without a doubt Papa Sal!!! This thing is just amazing, I LOVE the sound it makes as it spools up, and the sound of the blades pounding the air into submission it's also OH So stable!! Hehe your going to laugh at me for saying this but I'm running two 3s batteries in series, I plan on buying some outrage(or FP Evo's) 6S 5000mah for it though. I only get like 4 or 5 minutes with the 3S's so I'm saving up for those, the good thing is that I will be able to use them for my 600 aswell. I was told that if I double up 2 2200mah batteries on the 600 it would just make them bubble up so I can't wait to try that one out. I hate how expenssive the batteries are for electrics but once you have them you don't have to be spending more money every 2 weeks on fuel well maybe on parts when you crash Don't get me wrong though I love nitro's and the smell of the nitro but I also enjoy the plug and play feature of electrics.

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by odam2k on 10-29-2008 08:14 PM:
On my Voyager I run 2 3S 2200 Apogee's in parallel...
Posted by ruddernate on 10-29-2008 08:21 PM:
hey oh-6, i think this is the sticker he's referring to. this is where the whole team bs (brown streak) club started. with all the new guys we're gonna need more stickers.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-29-2008 08:22 PM:
is that a 50 zised heli? How much flight time do you get?

By the way rcmadness that is an awesome SIM, hey Odam great review and well I'm just barely checking it out but is there anyway to use a button on the keyboard to engage/disengage throttle hold and flight mode??

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-29-2008 08:26 PM:
Lol that's nice where can I get one??

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by ruddernate on 10-29-2008 08:29 PM:
here ya go. some guys have printed their own on sticker paper. povern sent me some. shoot povern a pm and he'll go over your application for team bs. jk

fly it like you stole it

Posted by odam2k on 10-29-2008 08:34 PM:
OH-6 Cayuse, yes, there is a key, I saw mention of it somewhere on his web site reading about transmitters. lemme see if I can find it.

I - Idle Up (toggle, only if mapped to the keyboard)
CTRL - (left side) Idle Up (toggle, only if mapped to the keyboard)

H - Throttle Hold (toggle, only if mapped to the keyboard)
CTRL - (right side) Throttle Hold (toggle, only if mapped to the keyboard)
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-29-2008 08:39 PM:
great thanks ruddernate and Odam!

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-29-2008 08:49 PM:
Hey ruddernate, so do you think it will work fine if I use the 3S's with the 600? How much flight time do you get? I only get about 4-5 minutes on the 500, I can only assume that it will be like 2-4 on the 600?

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by ruddernate on 10-29-2008 08:57 PM:
i'm not sure on the batteries. i do know guys that prefer the 6 s but several guys use 3s in series because that's what they had on their smaller birds before upgrading. the heli in the pic is a raptor 50v2 which i love. i put a new os 50 hyper in it and i love it. povern may chime in here on the batteries. i think he's got the 600E and has more experience with that. when i went bigger i went nitro. i get close to 9 or 10 minute flight times depending on what i'm doing. i know guys that get up to 15minutes on their nitro machines depending on setup.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-29-2008 09:08 PM:
Yeah I think that it's ok if they're 5000 mah but difinitively not if they're 2200. Oh no I ment the voyager hehe, what kind of batteries do you use on that one and how long of a flight time do you get? What size is that by the way?

I forgot to tell you guys I had a brown mark momment, yesterday when Mike and I were flying our helis at the park. A group of little kids were just running all around because of the heli's, well I kneeled down to connect the batteries on the 500 when suddenly he just start screaming and cursing well I turn around and the stupid little kids were actually chasing his heli and guess where it was heading... directly towards me so I'm not going to lie but it scared the crap out of me. I can't believe the kids but specially the parents, we actually walked through 2 fields just to get away from everyone just to have disobedient kids and sense less parents bothering us. Well anyways he came close to crashing into a poll but nothing happened and we just decided to test fly the 500 and that was it.

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by ruddernate on 10-29-2008 09:13 PM:
Hey oh-6 check out my post just before your last one. we must've been typing at the same time.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 10-29-2008 09:17 PM:
OH-6..OMG!!!!!!whew!!!! we don't call 'em choppers for nuttin.LOL ( that's why I use C/F mains....JK)If it's gonna hurt ....BOY is it gonna hurt! I think I need a sticker just thinking about that.....

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 10-29-2008 09:23 PM:
sometimes wish they'd make nerf blades huh papa? well gotta go to work. you guys have fun. later

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 10-29-2008 09:38 PM:
don't know if nerf blades would hold inverted

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by odam2k on 10-29-2008 09:48 PM:
OH-6 I use 2 3S 2150mah in parallel on my Voyager, its a 500 size... I think my last post I said 2200mah. I can't be sure how long I get with it, I haven't pused it yet. My timer is set for 7 minutes, but I think they guy I bought it off said he was flying for 10 minutes. I'll let you know once I fix it this weekend

Its still in a pile waiting till I can buy a gear, main shaft, and blades.... I only had about 4 flights on it when I crashed it on that fateful day, Oct 13, Cdn Thanksgiving, the day I crashed it and the Blade 400 about 10 minutes apart.... I had been up all night working on a scratchbuilt foamy plank that I never did get finished, only got 2 hours sleep, and dumb-thumbed both helicopters into the ground doing flips

Once I get it fixed (friday night I hope) I'll let you know how long I can fly it, and how much juice the batteres take back in.

Speaking of getting hit by blades, I posted my crash compilation video here a bit back (its on my youtube page) and in it, there is one video where the blade 400 turns on me, and I actually get hit right in the worst possible place... yep, the blade caught me right in the right testicle.... YOW!!!! that was painful, luckily it just caused some swelling for a couple days and some major bruising... That was with wooden blades.

Now here I am playing with a 500 size, and picking up a 30 this weekend, and getting a 700 soon... no wonder they scare me.... I'll be running CF blades on all these too....
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-29-2008 09:59 PM:
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOUUUch I was lucky he didn't get me but the thought of that Odam is just increadibly painfull!!!

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by Papa Sal on 10-29-2008 09:59 PM:
Can you say....Puree...MMUUUHAHAHAHAHA!. Let's see 10lbs..@ 1700RPM^)8X9%&)^^^ YIKES

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by sonnyhad on 10-29-2008 11:29 PM:
Thanks Odam2k
Hey thanks for the welcome guys. I Do have the landing protection on my Trex 450 but it still broke! I am in Holland Mi and the weather is a bit cool outside these days and not going to get much better anytime soon. I can practice all day long as I am dis abled and don't work anymore. I like to think of it as retired but at 55 a bit young for that, but my health took a turn for the worse, so it is what it is!!
So I am looking for some fun with these Rc Heli's. I have always been facinated by them but never took the plunge til a few weeks back. Man what a plunge!!! I use the sim til i get tired then i read some more and try new stuf. I think i will go get one of those Mcx's from Eflight, it will be fun and teach me at the same time. Cheaper too!!!

I look forward to all the help i am getting here already!!

Thanks again,
Sonny
Posted by Papa Sal on 10-29-2008 11:41 PM:
Sorry to hear about your health Brother....You'll be in my prayers. Sound like it's time to go NITRO in the cold weather. Of course you do live in the land of Bergen gasser's too! And a quote from me Mudder " Don't get old kid.....you're NOT going to like it" I think I agree with her after all these years.

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by sonnyhad on 10-30-2008 12:47 AM:
batteries
Hey Odam, I notice you wrote about using two 3s 2200Mah batteries
I have a Trex 600 Electric on the way and am wondering how this is done as it would be nice to just have one size batteries, not to mention the price on the 22 volt 5000Mah, Yikes!! those babies are not cheap. I wonder if they will ever come down! I did pick up the little Mcx and just went through the first battery charge. Not too happy with my flying! At least i can get some practice!
Sonny
Posted by sonnyhad on 10-30-2008 01:30 AM:
Cold weather
Thanks Papa Sal, Does nitro like cold weather better'n batteries? I thought about it but figured thats a whole nuther set of tooling! Equipment wise! I hope I get the hang of it here pretty soon. How many crashes does one need before he gets the brown streek sticker!!! LOL
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-30-2008 01:35 AM:
Hey sonny just keep it up, it is your first time so don't limit yourself. Here is a pic of how I made my series connection but I would not recommend usig 2200mah batteries, I was told to atleast use 2 3S 5000mah batteries if your going to double them up. All you do is solder a red and black wire to a female dean plug(the normal way), then you get the red wire and solder to the where the red wire would go in the male plug(there is only one way that this will go), after that you take the other black wire and you go from negative to positive on the other male plug, next all you do is connect the other wire that you had already soldered to the female plug and it should go from negative to negative. I'll draw you a little sketch I know this is confussing.

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by Panda on 10-30-2008 01:41 AM:
Bad news today. I was flying my 450 and let a buddy of mine fly it to show what she could do. He was starting to do some 3D and all of a sudden the heli pitched left and he had to stove it in tail first. Broke the tail boom,mainshaft, tail rotor shaft,main gear,flybar and paddle, and all the linkages on the tail assembly. A bolt backed out of the lower cage of the tail. I ALWAYS use loctite on all my bolts. Just a bummer cause I was going to fly the next couple of days cause good weather is coming through. Now Im searching for good prices and debating on an all metal tail assembly (95 bucks), but for that price of all the stuff to replace, Ill come close to that. Wish there was a reset button like on the sim!
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-30-2008 01:42 AM:
here is a little sketch pardon the extreme crappyness!!!

By the way the one that says dean plug is the only female plug the other two will be male plugs.

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-30-2008 01:50 AM:
Hey Panda look through the classifieds here, you can find the entire head and tail for around 60, another 5 for the boom and 10 for another set of blades or you can buy a parts lot which would be much cheaper. Sorry about what happened but that's the nature of the hobby you never know what's going to happen and when it does it really sucks. But try to find the parts you need here on RR you'll get everything for much cheaper, and also from now on try to go through your heli after flying, you never know when one of the screws or even the gyro might be comming off just ask rcmadness.

Hey sonny did the sketch help you?

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-30-2008 01:59 AM:
hey panda check this out, it's half of the parts you need for $25!!

http://runryder.com/t469528p1/

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by sonnyhad on 10-30-2008 02:03 AM:
sketch and pic
Oh6, yes it did, big time! Now if ever i get the 600 up and running then I'll know hows its done.
Can you use the 11.1v 5000Mah battery in the Trex 450? They suggest the 11.1v 2200 Mah or something close to that. I dont have a clear understanding of the batteries in these yet. You might say i have a thick skull, hard for information to penetrate it unless its the hard way!!!
But thanks for the info and support!!!
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-30-2008 02:11 AM:
I don't have any 5000mah 3S they are heavier I believe but they do give more flight time mah is the discharge rate, the more mah's the longer they'll last. But if you don't want to go through all the trouble, you should try this batteries.

http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/...30C_Lipoly_Pack

Zippy's are cheap and oh so reliable, the only drawback is that they tend to take a while to get to you. If you need any help with the 600 build or anything else please let me know I'll try my best to help you!! I'm no expert but I've learned a lot thanks to all the guys in the thread!!

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by sonnyhad on 10-30-2008 02:54 AM:
Panda, sorry to hear that!!!
Is it not fair to not let someone fly unless they fix it! That would keep those not capable out of the way and those that think they can, well they'll think a minute before they ask or try it. Poop happens and its seems like more often when someone else is at the controls.
Whats the general consensus on this?

Thanks,
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-30-2008 03:19 AM:
I honestly think that since panda gave it to the guy to try it out, it kind of is his fault(specially since he wanted him to try 3d with the heli). On the other hand since he did crash the heli, the least he could do is pay a little to get the heli fixed. That would be the decent thing to do now it depends on the other person and his thoughts about paying for someone else's parts even though he crashed it? This can go both ways so im sure you're going to get different answers but like you said sunny it's not fair for him to do nothing about it.
On the other hand what if those parts had broken when panda was flying and he flew it into himself or someone else? What do you guys think?

That's why I hessitate when someone asks me to fly their heli.

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by Uplink Tom on 10-30-2008 03:35 AM:
Sorry to hear that Panda.

Since 90% of the local flyers are better than me, I'm offering them my helis to fly. They wring them out and show me what it's capable of, so in that case I pay if it crashes.

Sonny, welcome to the forum.

OH6, - it't in the box. New main gear/shaft was on it, and I found another nib. Looking for charger.

Fell off the wagon today. Work is getting me frustrated and I had a cigg..... oh well tomorrow's another day.

Heli's just mock me then crash....

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-30-2008 03:39 AM:
Thanks Tom, I agree with you although if I crashed someone else's heli even though they asked me to fly it I would atleast pay a little to have it fixed. But that's why I don't fly other people's stuff.

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by ruddernate on 10-30-2008 09:32 AM:
the general rule i've seen is , if you ask someone to fly your heli, you pay. if they ask to fly your heli they pay. should always be discussed before flight. imho. hey panda, just another option but, i put the copter x metal tail assembly on a rex 450 i had and i loved it. it's very cheap but high quality. just look up copter x on google. don't be nervous about quality if you go that route. i was but when i got it i was seriously impressed. it's compatible with all trex stuff but half the price. you might even check on fleabay if you can't find it on rr. i always shop rr classifieds first. hey sonnyhad, sorry bout your health. you've stumbled into the most awesome hobby out there. it never gets old and the rush never goes away. good luck on learning and hang in there, it's very frustrating when you start. once you start to get the feel of things it's an incredible thrill. keep on that sim, it's worth it's weight in gold.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Panda on 10-30-2008 01:13 PM:
Well as far as helping me pay for the parts, Im not really worried about it. The guy who wa flying at the time is an expierienced guy, the bolt did back out (my fault). But, he has been helping me a TON with the heli hobby. He has helped me set it up, helped me with what charger to buy, made me a deal on batteries, and even helps me sort out where to buy the cheapest parts. So imo, a $150 crash is probably worth it. Now if it was some guy at the flying field being a giant know it all, and was not sincerely sorry he crashed my ride, I may be a little upset. Only downer for me is now I have to wait a few days to fly again. Aftr all, this is one of the reasons we have friends in this hobby right? You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours? Btw, thanks for all the info on where to get parts. I do love this site!
Posted by odam2k on 10-30-2008 02:20 PM:
Alright, no wind this morning! Got 3 more flights in, up to 19 now without any problems. It was -3c out so I did add the BEC just to be safe. I still haven't had any more problems with loss of power to the electronics, but didn't want to take a chance this morning in the cold.

The best news is that I'm picking up my raptor at lunch time! Unfortunately he won't have time till Sunday afternoon to show me all the ins and outs of it, like starting it, etc, so I'll take it home, put my spektrum receiver in it, and just look at it till Sunday, then I'll get a chance to fly it!
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-30-2008 03:36 PM:
you guys should move down here to San Antonio but preferably Austin, the weather is so incredibly nice everyday is flight worthy. So ok I'm at big 100 on the 450 and 4 on the 500 hopefully I won't have to reset my count anytime soon.

Hey odam make sure you make a video of your first start, and hover, we're all going to enjoy that

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by povern on 10-30-2008 03:53 PM:
Anyone interested in a Trex 600e CF?

Today it is Bind and Fly, 3 Batteres, spares, etc.

Let me know it you are and I will give more details, and come up with a price.

povern

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by odam2k on 10-30-2008 04:18 PM:
Anyone here have any experience running the Futaba S9257 servo at 6v? I've searched around, and see some people say they run at 6v no problem, even Bert Kammerer says he runs at 6v in this video: http://www.bertrc.com/heli_videos/t-rex_500_1.wmv

I haven't seen anyone say that they had a problem with it.... I added a BEC this morning, and I know bumping it to 6v will speed up my HS65MGs on the cyclic, but I'd hate to burn out a $65 tail servo.
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-30-2008 04:20 PM:
I think 9650's and 9257's work great at 6 volts, like you I've never heard of anyone complaining about it. The thing that gets me is how this mini servos can handle 6V's but 9254 or 9256's can't

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by Papa Sal on 10-30-2008 05:52 PM:
Sorry Panda I hates crashin.....POV! you sellin the 600e already? WASAAAP with that? Hey guys look up on the futaba site about the servo's......Hey Madness or anyone else. That new Markfiles sim is GREAT. I am having one issue though...and I want to see if it's just me or ??? Some times when I hover or slow FF the sim chopper will jump up. Does anyone else have that happen? The reason I'm asking is I might just be having gimbal issues,which would explain why my MX450XS will yaw hard every once in a while. (like i'm getting hit on my freq. or electric noise). Hmmmmmm I wonder. Sonny get that 600 air borne, it'll be your fav! The weather is turning out west here.....but I'm going to be off for the next 4 days.YIPPPPEEEE!

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by odam2k on 10-30-2008 06:21 PM:
Futaba says 5v, doesn't list any specs at 6v.
I'm gonna run it at 6 and see what happens, from everything I've read, it should be fine. Its only on the Blade 400, and if it causes a crash, it won't be the end of the world.

I got my Rappy!!! I'm so excited! It's huge! he he
Gotta get my receiver in it tonight, and pick up some fuel etc, won't get to fly it till sunday, but at least I have it.

I haven't had any problems with that sim, I use my RealFlight G4 controller with it.
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-30-2008 06:36 PM:
Papa sal check the wind settings, maybe something got changed but mine doesn't seem to be doing that. Have you tried doing auto's?? It's almost inpossible to pull one out on that sim and I do them just fine in real life.

Odam is the 30 already set up? I don't know but the first time I had to set up my raptor was kind of confussing, the cyclic set up is easy but I almost went crazy trying to figure out how to set up the pitch servo and control rod. Once you get it it's actually extremely simple so if you need help just let me know!

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by odam2k on 10-30-2008 06:50 PM:
Thanks OH-6 The whole thing is set up, I just have to pull his FM receiver, and put my Spektrum 2.4 in, then set up my radio (DX6i)
I may have some questions once I get home and start playing with it.
Posted by sonnyhad on 10-30-2008 08:14 PM:
600e Povern???
Man, i have one on the way. Do you have issues with it? I kinda want to know what to expect. I have to get some flights , uhmm sucessful flights in on the 450 before i try the 600. I do need batteries, reciever and gyro though!
Posted by Uplink Tom on 10-30-2008 08:26 PM:
Any of you guys run a Spektrum module in a Futaba 9C?

I'm thinking of heading in that direction.

Heli's just mock me then crash....

Posted by ruddernate on 10-30-2008 08:45 PM:
man povern, that was fast. what's up wit dat? i figured you'd be in love with that thing buy now. no experience here with the 9c. do a search on rr and i bet you'll get all the knowledge you want and then some. gotta get the kids makeup done before i go to work. it's trick or treat time. see ya.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Papa Sal on 10-30-2008 09:11 PM:
Uplink-Tom, why not a 2.4 FAAST mod? I have the 9C and LOVE it

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by povern on 10-30-2008 09:59 PM:
Sonnyhad,

I love the 600e, just don't have the room to fly it. I'm gonna sell it and get something smaller for where I fly.

povern

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by Papa Sal on 10-31-2008 12:04 AM:
Wish I were RICH instead of OLD I Love that 600. Where do you fly Pov?

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by odam2k on 10-31-2008 12:21 AM:
I'd settle for being old AND rich

Question for the nitro guys... I have one of these:
PROLUX NI-STARTER WITH METER & NICAD
http://www.modelengines.com.au/view...27/cat/DJF.html

I am wondering what the max charge current I can put into it? It came with a wall wart that was 1.25vdc and 170ma but I'll charge it with my GT Power A6 which has the adapter for this so I can cycle it a couple times and see how much juice it takes.

Did I say I was excited? <grin>
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-31-2008 12:47 AM:

You guys I think I'm starting to fall in love with my 500, it fly's so SMMOOOOOOTH and practically fly's itself. Anyways I flew it two more times and I can't wait till I get some batteries for that darn 600. Hey povern would you cosider making a payment plan for your batteries.

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by Papa Sal on 10-31-2008 12:49 AM:
Heck Odam...just plug it into the wall, and when it starts smoke-in....It's ready!!!!

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-31-2008 01:22 AM:
I was wondering, it's actually possible to lower the tension on the throttle stick right(I have a dx7)? I really like to do some precission landings but my stick kind of gets sticky and sometimes it causes me to just drop the heli or I struggle to keep it from going up and down as it hovers because of the stickyness. Any thoughts??

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by sonnyhad on 10-31-2008 02:12 AM:
DX7 adjustment
Hey OH6, take the back off and back off the adjustment screw a little, I believe its the bottom left screw behind the throttle stick. That should do it! Man, I hope to get my 600 tomorrow. Can't wait to put it together and get a feel for the size of that thing! I wish the batteries weren't so expensive!!!
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-31-2008 02:33 AM:
Thanks sunny!! I looked at the manual and turned the screw a few times, now it's how I like it.

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by Uplink Tom on 10-31-2008 02:39 AM:
Odam, you can pump 1C into that nicd easy. Some car racers put a lot more in a sub-c size. I'd go around 1A to 1.5A

Heli's just mock me then crash....

Posted by Uplink Tom on 10-31-2008 02:42 AM:
Sal, I wanted to go with a Spektrum module because the receiver prices. I have about 10 72mhz rx's to phase out. Between the transmitter module and the receivers, we're talking 60% to 70% the price of a Faast system.

Heli's just mock me then crash....

Posted by povern on 10-31-2008 02:44 AM:
OH6, careful on that throttle screw, if its too loose it will come out and rattle around in the case.

AS the country song goes, "Don't ask me how I know"

povern

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-31-2008 02:47 AM:
hey Odam I checked and a 9650 would be ok at 6V on the tail but not the 9257. You have to use a step down for yours or prepare for the worst.

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-31-2008 02:50 AM:
Thanks Povern!! I might have left it a little too loose. By the way if it happens to come off during flight, would I loose throttle control or would it just become really smooth?

Maybe ad a little dab of CA to keep it from comming off?

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by odam2k on 10-31-2008 03:26 AM:
Thanks Uplink-Tom, the wall wart is only 170ma and its taking FOREVER at that rate I'll bump it up to 1A and see what it does.

OH-6 Cayuse - I know thats what Futaba says, the specs only list 4.8v, but a lot of people run it at 6 without problems... Are you aware of someone who had one die on them at 6v? I may see if I can find a regulator tomorrow while I'm restocking my parts....

I'm gonna fly the rappy tomorrow! well, its gonna be dark so I will hover under a light.... Then saturday I'll visit the local club and have a go solo!
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-31-2008 03:33 AM:
I know of some people that fly it at 6V with no problem, now it's up to you if you want to be on the safe side?? You don't need to go buy an expenssive regulator, just go to radioshack or another electronics store and ask for a diode that will lower the voltage from 6 to 4.8V's. That will be like $3(for about 3 or4) but you will also need a small servo wire extension(so you don't cut into the original servo wire). So ok once you have all that stuff just cut the red wire and solder the diode(in series) to the red wire and kaboom you have a regulator. Hope that helps save a little $$$$$.

By the way make sure you make a video of your first hover!!!

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by Uplink Tom on 10-31-2008 03:51 AM:
Ahhhh no flying for a week.
Tomorrow - off to New Haven CT for 2 days of college football, then drive to Indiana for election coverage, than all the way back to Providence RI for hockey. I'll forget how to fly again.
At least I can pack G3 sim and practice in the hotels.

Maybe I'll see if I can back the B400, batteries/charger/xmtr/spare parts in a suitcase.

Heli's just mock me then crash....

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-31-2008 03:56 AM:
Oh man good luck Tom, your job sounds fun except for the election coverage. By the way go McCain!!!!

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by rcmadness on 10-31-2008 04:12 AM:
You guys are posting so much I cannot keep up anymore.

1st- Welcome all the new folks glad you could make it to the thread.

2nd Papa Sal: Do you happen to have the wind gusts turned up on you sim. I just down loaded the latest version of RChelisim and it seems to be working fine. If you keep having problems you could try the old version. It is listed just below the new version it is only 1mg.

Trex-250-450se-450pro-500esp-600nitro-Predator Gasser

Posted by ruddernate on 10-31-2008 09:25 AM:
i hear ya madness. there's a lot of info going on in the thread these days. oh-6 you can do like i did on my throttle stick, instead of just adjusting tension you can flip the little metal piece (the peice the screw adjusts tension for) flip it over where the part that gives you the clicks is not touching but faceing opposite the way it comes. you don't get the clicks just smooth movement. you can still adjust tension as well. i did this when i was learning to hover the 450 because at a few feet off the ground one click and the heli would go to the ground and one click up from that it would continue to climb. it just makes for more controlled and precise throttle input. hope my explanation makes sense. i got my power supply in today. can't wait to try it out tomorrow.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by sonnyhad on 10-31-2008 09:39 AM:
No flying, Tom?
you need to pick you up one of those little blade mcx's. you can fly that in your hotel room or anywhere else you might have a few minutes!
They're great little heli's. Its helping me get the feel of the controls and hopefully prevent a few crashes. I am gunna fly the 450 today in michigan. the weather is supposed to be in the 60's. I know whooo! hot weather, well this time of year, you take all of em you can get!!!
Posted by odam2k on 10-31-2008 01:46 PM:
Alright, 3 more flights this morning, up to 22 now without incident. It was warmer this morning, but still windy, although once I get the Voyager fixed tonight, that won't be so much of a problem.

I'm gonna be meeting up with the guy I got the rappy from tonight, we'll fire it up and have a quick hover under the lights in the parking lot at the community center by the field we fly at. Then tomorrow morning I'll fly the voyager, and the Blade 400 at the soccer field in the morning, then off to the club to fly the rappy!

Just gotta get through today at work, then its gonna be an awesome weekend!
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-31-2008 03:55 PM:
Congrats Odam, Keep it up!!

By the way have yall seen the new t-rex 250? It looks like an extremely cool little heli, I mean the 450 is small but you can't really fly it indoors but this one is just tiny and 3D capable!! I think I might have to save for the batteries a little longer and get one of those when they come out.

Check it out here Alan Szabo is flying it:

http://jp.truveo.com/Align-Trex-250...r/id/1578191476

This one is a lot clearer:

http://jp.truveo.com/Align-Trex-250...r/id/1578191476

Thanks ruddernate, I was having the same problem but mine doesn't have the rachet plate it's the smooth one. But everytime I took off the heli would be bouncing up and down because the stick was a little sticky. Anyways I double checked and it's not too loose and I also added a drop of CA just to be on the safe side.

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by odam2k on 10-31-2008 04:22 PM:
Maybe for christmas I think it would be cool to do flips in the living room, he he

I sure wish the mcx was more capable. It's ok, but not very exciting unless you like going in circles really fast

Gonna try to get a couple more flights in at lunch time...
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-31-2008 04:31 PM:
I hear ya Odam, It would be quite awesome. Specially when people comeover I can just imagine how happy they would be to see something like that, they're pretty amazed just by looking at them now flying 3d inside!! Just try not to run it into some one.

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by sonnyhad on 10-31-2008 04:36 PM:
You go Odam2k
Sounds like you are on a roll! I'm gunna take the 450 outside in a few minutes. I'm trying to work up the nerve!!!
Does anyone know how to make setting changes and what changes to make in Real Flight? I saw a guy do it at the hobby shop but can remember what he did. All i know is that the bird was more controllable. I updated to 4.5 and ever since, well even before, I chase the darned thing all over the place!
Appreciate any help!
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-31-2008 04:42 PM:
There should be a link in the top left hand corner that says something like view or camera, well when you find that just go down until you see chase camera and click on it. It probably will have a check next to it, make sure there is no check as that will disengage the chase camera.

About the control, there should also be a link in the top left corner that say control or joysick or something close to that, click on it and try to find something that say sensitivity, lower the sensitivity and the controls should be more manageble. I don't personally own realflight but I always play with the one at hobby town.

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by sonnyhad on 10-31-2008 04:45 PM:
Hey Oh6
Holy Crap Batman!!! the 250 can do that!!!!
Unbelievable!! that thing will rock!! Too bad about his fingers
at the end of the video, you'd a thunk he'd a learnd after the first one!!!LOL
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-31-2008 04:52 PM:
Without a doubt, I bet it's going to be hard to buy one they're going to sell like candy but I think they're going to sell for around $250 or something like that! And whoever stuck his finger in the rotating rotor was a Moron. What would drive someone to stick they're finger in there like that, he's lucky it was only a 250 and not a 450, 500, or 600.

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by odam2k on 10-31-2008 04:56 PM:
RealFlight 4.5 has a Difficulty setting... Its under Simulator (the first dropdown) Look for that and set it to beginner and see if that helps, it should slow everything down.

You can also go to settings under simulator (or is it options?) anyhow, once you get in there, I think its Physics, set it to a number under 100%, that will slow things down as well, but use the Difficulty first...

Sorry, I don't have my controller with me and I dont think I can run realflight without it.... if you dont find it, let me know and I'll check when I'm home tonight
Posted by sonnyhad on 10-31-2008 05:30 PM:
real flight settings, and CRASH
Thanks Odam2k,

I'll give it a try.
I just got back inside after another short flight, well this one was actually about 15 to 20 seconds instead 10 seconds! Damned!! I broke the flybar, the blades, well at least one of them, I cannot find the other, it broke off with the blade holder and flew who knows where. And i broke a couple other parts. Man, I cant wait to get a successful flight under my belt!! Its off to the hobby shop i go! Oh and i also bent the heck out of the flybar!
Posted by odam2k on 10-31-2008 05:45 PM:
Are you taking off up into the air? or just barely making it light on the skids? You said you have the sticks on it right?

To start, don't worry about even getting off the ground, go easy, get used to sliding it around on the pavement... unless you're like me, and impatient, and don't mind spending a fortune on parts

It amazes me how many times I hear about people who learned to fly and either never crashed, or rarely crashed... Right from day one I was crashing, fixing, crashing, fixing, to the point I now have 6 helicopters (after 4 months) just so I always have something to fly...
Posted by sonnyhad on 10-31-2008 05:48 PM:
Settings
I tried the suggested settings. At least the one for difficulty. I had it set to beginner when i first got RF but when i updated i had not thought about it. So that alone helps a bit. The camera was not on chase but something else. I took all the check marks off it. I haven't tried anything else as yet. Still pretty upset about the crash! I shouldnt have tried to get it up off the ground. I was told about 3 to 5 feet. I should have stayed at about 1' darn!!
Posted by sonnyhad on 10-31-2008 05:53 PM:
Off the ground? well yeah!!!
Odam, you sound just like me!! Impatient! Compulsive! gotta have it now,
gotta have enough of em!! Just in case! Maybe a bigger one will be better! Hmm ! I need help Huh? I got another 450se off flea bay supposed to be able to fly with a little tlc. Not, no gyro, battery does not detect! only 2.7 volts on the battery. Wondering if i could just skip the equinox and go direct to the charger? for a little bit anyway to get enough for the equinox to detect it.
Posted by Panda on 10-31-2008 05:55 PM:
Im going to be pretty bummed. My parts for the rex won't be in till Sat. the earliest. I am leaving town for a week, so I probably won't have much time to fly. Guess the sim will have to work for now. Ill spend most my time Sunday repairing my bird but maybe Ill catch a few hours afterwards.
Posted by odam2k on 10-31-2008 07:07 PM:
sonnyhad - 3-5 feet will get you up out of the rotor wash, but you should first get comfortabledown low so that when it does start to take off sideways on you, you can set it down, and hope the sticks keep you from tipping over. Once you can hover about a foot off the ground, then start going up higher... Do as I say, not as I do!

panda - you need more helicopters
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-31-2008 07:24 PM:
Im sorry to hear that sunny, I agree with odam flying at 3-5ft is just going to have you constantly going to your HS(it's to low to recover and definitively not the best idea). I would definitively recommend you to go to home depot or another hardware store and get the longer wooden sticks to make training gear with, which by the way kept me from ever crashing!!(I posted a picture of the one I made when I first started). Once you make that stay no more than 1ft off of the ground and when you think it's going to crash just kill the throttle. The low altitude will keep the heli from getting damaged and the training gear will also cushion the impact. Also remember to keep your finger on the throttle hold and the other one away from the flight mode switch. Please pm me or type your set up process I really want to know if maybe your set up might be preventing you from staying up in the air I can also talk you through the process if you'd like just let me know or send me your number when your ready to fix it up.

Keep going and please don't give up!!

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-31-2008 07:34 PM:
By the way why did your battery drop down to such a low voltage?? Where did you messure that from?

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by odam2k on 10-31-2008 09:40 PM:
Its Friday, and its Payday! In 25 minutes I get to start on my shopping spree at the local hobby shops to restock my parts department. The local shopowners love to see me walk in with my 2 page shopping list at the end of each month... I've got a bunch of helis to fix this time, and spares for the new ones (just in case). I've got 3 hours to find everything I need, then off to set up and hover the raptor for the first time Then home to fix at least the Voyager and the Blade 400 so I have them to fly tomorrow morning. We have a group of about 8 regulars who fly at the local park on saturday and sunday mornings, all electric, mostly planks, but 2 of us always have helis.
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 10-31-2008 10:06 PM:
Hehe good luck odam, have fun!! How much do you usually spend on one trip?

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by Papa Sal on 10-31-2008 10:17 PM:
"God bless simulators"!!! Wow you guys sound like everyone is having a great time. Panda...hang on Bro! you'll have her up and going in no time....Makes me really miss my T-Rex, so much so that I think I want to sell my MX-450Xs and finish my T-Rex upgrade. What do you guys think? it'll mean sim only for a while...But Woah I see her just sitting on the bench saying...fix-me Papa....Don't get me wrong I love chopper-2, But the T-Rex was my first 450, And it is just a little bigger than the HeliMax, even though the MX is all blinged out from the factory...So I'm lost as to what to do. Yes I'll still have the Hawk and Rex. And thanks to Rn and the tip for Coppter X I can get the parts I need for a lot less.that will make room for?????/ in the future.

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by sonnyhad on 10-31-2008 10:43 PM:
Odam, your gunna fly the new nitro today!??
Wow, Id like to see that, hope you shoot some video! Thanks Eric for the offer on the set up. What numbers do you need? I made up a shopping list but just can't drag myself to the hobby store yet!!Darn luck.
Posted by sonnyhad on 10-31-2008 10:47 PM:
Brown streak
How could i forget to let you guys know that when i crashed today, well you know what happened!! LOL
Posted by odam2k on 11-01-2008 12:28 AM:
Just dropped over $500 at the hobby shops, got everything to fix all the helis.... Now I'm off to fly the raptor! Will report in later...
Posted by sonnyhad on 11-01-2008 12:49 AM:
You fly in the Dark!!!
Well, I have heard that some people do their best work in the dark!!!
Can't wait to hear how it went!
I bet the hobby shop was very happy to see you today! Their end of the month sales just went up a notch!
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 11-01-2008 01:32 AM:
Hehe that's a lot! There's a guy like you here, he always goes to the HS with really nice cars. When he wants to get a lot of stuff, I mean like $2000+ dollars worth of stuff he brings bigger cars, but when he doesn't want to spend a lot he brings his GT 40 that way they won't be able to stuff too much in there.

Good luck with the raptor please don't let that one hit you specially on your special area.

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by sonnyhad on 11-01-2008 02:06 AM:
Hey Oh6
I saw the ad where you bought the 600! Looks sweet!!!!!!!!
Mine hasn't shown up yet, I was hoping i'd get it today but nope, no show. I have to wait til the first of the week before i can order a battery anyway. I'm gunna try one of those zippy packs. Ya know, there can't all that many companies in the world that make Li Po's ya wouldnt think! I just got some cheap batteries for the 450 but havent had a chance to see if there is that much difference.
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 11-01-2008 02:24 AM:
Thanks sunny!! I'll take a pic of the fleet tommorow so you guys can see them. I gotta take the girlfriend out so I'll talk to you guys later.

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by odam2k on 11-01-2008 04:06 AM:
One word....

AWESOME!

Video to follow...
Posted by sonnyhad on 11-01-2008 02:49 PM:
Odam2k
So all went well on the first nitro flight? Great!! Did you get that nitro smell and all? Like at the drag races?
If you get around to it, see if you can find what the settings are on in your R/F sim. Thanks.
Posted by sonnyhad on 11-01-2008 02:53 PM:
Sunshine calm winds, oh man! I gotta get some parts!
Looks like a nice day and my birds need parts to fly!! And I need to find a big parking lot with nothing to bump into! We have one at the beach on Lake Michigan but its usually breezy out there! I better try it out though. Then at least I wont hit anything!!!!!!
Posted by odam2k on 11-01-2008 03:29 PM:
sonnyhad, the setting I was talking about was under Simulation, then Settings, and then Physics, then change Physics Speed to a lower number. I have mine at 140, to speed it up, the default is 100, and if you set it lower, then the sim will run slower, making it easier to correct and control... hope that helps....

Uploading the Raptor video to YouTube now....

My YouTube page is http://ca.youtube.com/user/odam2k the video should be available shortly...

Got my J.R. Voyager E and my Blade 400 fixed for this morning, was up till 3:30am and then up at 6:30am to finish, then at the field for 8am....

Gonna go check out the Toronto Helicopter Club today, gotta find a club to fly my nitro

This has taken the addiction to a whole new level The smell of burning nitro... mmmm... he he Oh, and the oily residue we left all over the parking lot... lol

3 more flights this morning, and counting the raptor last night, I'm up to 23 now? its all a blur....
Posted by sonnyhad on 11-01-2008 03:41 PM:
Wow!!
I can feel the rush with ya bro!!! I'll insert those settings and give er a whirl!!
Posted by sonnyhad on 11-01-2008 04:38 PM:
sim settings
Mine was already at 75%. I guess that means I really suck!!!
when you guys move the stick, is it in smooth movements or kind of choppy movements? Also is there a mix setting to mix up and sideways movements? That kind of thing? The correct terminology slips my mind right now. thanks guys.
Posted by sonnyhad on 11-01-2008 04:44 PM:
Awesome Odam2K!!
That was awesome dude!! I see in the video, they got a streak shack in the corner of the parking lot!! LOL!! I bet you had a bunch of adrenaline, well you must of, you got to bed late and was up early!!! it must be still keeping you charged!!
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 11-01-2008 05:39 PM:
Oh man great job Odam!! Keep us updated with other videos as you start doing loops and other crazy things with your rappy.
Hey sunny don't worry just practice-practice-practice and when you get bored of practicing, practice some more! Also yes you can they're called dual rates, I don't know how to set'm up on that sim or in real life but hopefully someone here knows how.

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by sonnyhad on 11-01-2008 07:29 PM:
sim adjustments
Hey OH6, I just got back from the hobby shop, dropped off a few hands full of money and took some parts!!! I also got some adjustments from them to try out. I put em in and it is much much better!!! Makes me feel like, "yeah, i can do this!"
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 11-01-2008 08:06 PM:
That's great sunny, well except the part where you had to drop so much money. Have you already put all the parts on the heli? Let me know if you need any help. Oh yeah by the way here are some pic's of the fleet, hopefully there will be a 700N pro in there soon(oh yeah and one of those 250's). I'll see if I can get my friend Mike to shoot a little video of me flying them soon.

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by sonnyhad on 11-01-2008 08:34 PM:
The Fleet!!!! Sweet
What ya got there OH6, a 450, 500 and 600? Sweet fleet for sure!!
Oh man, I see Odam2K has ya thinking about the nitro!!!
I am getting much better with the simulator especially with the new settings. That really helped. I started to put the heli back together and saw that the main shaft was bent also. So I guess its back to the hobby shop!! oh and the fly bar holder was broke too. I am gunna end up with everything metal in the head. so when she breaks she really breaks. But i will be a little more careful about where i try to fly, make sure there's nothing around!!! We're talking WIDE open spaces here!!!! Oh that will be sweet when i can get through a battery. I dont know of any places though where there is a brown streak house on the corner like where odam flys!!! I tell them Canadians they got it goin on! don't they!
Posted by ruddernate on 11-01-2008 08:43 PM:
good looking fleet oh6. i just got through burning a tank through the rappy. now i'm trying to tune my plank motor to break in. the heli is flying great. hey sonnyhad, hang in there. you'll get that first batt. soon. i remember when i was at that stage and i was psyched when i finally made it through a whole charge. stay on that sim and go slow. when you can get those training wheels off it'll become an entirely different heli. much more stable. the gear takes a movement and amplifies it while creating a swing that makes it hard to know which direction to correct. they are necessary but need to come off as soon as possible imho. keep pluggin and buy plenty of feathering and main shafts. blades also. good luck

fly it like you stole it

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 11-01-2008 08:48 PM:
That's right sunny it's a 450, 500, and 600. And yeah watching odams video maide me want a nitro again, plus it's a good excuse to get a 700. That's probably better though, plastic parts have a little play in between them, metal does too but it's a lot less in my opinion(better for setting up and keeping settings). Try going to a park, just watch out with little kids. You know thinking about it don't go to a park specially right now that you're learning to control it unless there's no one there.

Thanks ruddernate!!

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by Papa Sal on 11-01-2008 08:54 PM:
Odam...Sounds like she's a litte lean? What's your temp? GREAT JOB!!!!
Hey any one want a great 450 RTF?

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 11-01-2008 08:55 PM:
I was wondering has anyone tried the logitech 2100g gyro? I've been using one on my 500 and it holds extremely well, does anyone have any input on it? I really like the servo limit feature! Unlike the 401 if you set up the tail for rate mode, the settings are digital so you actually get full travel on both directions.

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by Papa Sal on 11-01-2008 10:19 PM:
2100g for more advanced pilot's is GREAT. Right now I'll stick with my 401. And keep trying to fly the sim backwards When you get to a point of being "good enough" to advance....go for it!...Good looking fleet Bro!. Throw some light on them and re-take their pic's. How's everyone do-N? Frick-N-Windy are here for a LONG visit. It's great to sim-up-a storm!. Hey Guys want another 450?...$250.00...pm me. I want my T-rex back up and that will do it!

"Everything's better inverted"

Posted by ruddernate on 11-01-2008 11:24 PM:
the 401 will get you through a long time while learning. the pros used it almost exclusively for a long time. imho no need to upgrade until you're talking serious backwards flight or tic tocs etc. money's better spent on blades and shafts. a logitech would buy lots of blades.someday i'll get the solid g i think but by the time i'm good enough for that there'll be a new fad going. curtis' gyro should be great. just waiting on info and reviews. don't think he's ever made any junk so i'm sure it'll be awesome. odam that rappy sounds good doesn't it. getting that engine tuned is tedious. usually guys at the field will be yelling "you're to rich" or "to lean" until you get an ear for it listen to the guys behind ya. like me. i'm just now leaning out my new os 50 hyper i put in my raptor so i'm trying to get her fine tuned. she's real close and ready for some hard flight. well for my skill level anyways. hope you guys get some flying in this weekend. have fun

fly it like you stole it

Posted by odam2k on 11-01-2008 11:57 PM:
Hey everyone, thanks for the encouragement! As you know, I did my electric flying this morning, then after a quick trip to the hobby shop (just checkin out one I hadn;t been to before, but found lotsa cool stuff, including CoolPower 15% for $15.99!) then went up to the Toronto Helicopter Club field, and met a bunch of guys who took me under their wing... The rappy had these really cheap plastic blades with a foam core, and just so happens one of the guys there sell stuff outta his car, and I picked up a pair of mah carbon fiber 555mm blades for $55, what a difference those made... Had a brown streak moment, was on my second tank when suddenly the motor cut out for a split second at about 30 feet up, and it nosed over. Luckily I've been messing up flips on the 400 long enough that I recovered easily, and got er down. The motor was running too lean, and overheated (so I was told) Kept opening up the needle, and finally got it running pretty good... I have video of my first flight today, will post that once I get the heli's cleaned up...

All I can smell is burning nitro, it sorta clings to ya....

I gotta say, I am very impressed with this raptor 30.... keep the tips coming, I have so much to learn....
Posted by odam2k on 11-01-2008 11:59 PM:
sonnyhad, you'll notice now that a battery seems to last forever when you can't hover a whole battery, but once you are able to, then they seem to go so fast... so, enjoy it while you can... small consolation, I know, but.....

Nice fleet there OH-6... I'm gonna have to get mine all lined up for a new photo soon....
Posted by odam2k on 11-02-2008 12:03 AM:
Oh, 2 batteries on the Blade 400 and 2 on the Voyager, plus 2 tanks of nitro on the Rappy, so thats 29 good ones now...
Posted by ruddernate on 11-02-2008 12:20 AM:
sounds like a great day odam. the advice i've got from my buddies is burn a half tank or a tank and put your finger on the backplate of the engine right after you get the blades stopped. you should be able to hold your finger on there for 4 or 5 seconds. no more no less. if you have a temp gun you can get more precise but that will get you close enough to be comfortable. if you can hold your finger on there all day it's to rich , for only a second it's to lean. don't have any 30 size experience but it should be the same. you've probably heard all this before but it's my redneck way of engine tuning.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by sonnyhad on 11-02-2008 12:56 AM:
Ahh the finger tip temp gauge!!
I used to use that one on my first few wives too!! But thats another story all together. But hey sounds like some good advice RuderNate!!
I read your earlier post from Odams first flight and you could see and hear that he was running lean! I guess your redneck mechanics are good enough for me!!! Some day i hope I will be good enough to get into a nitro. I always loved the smell of nitro at the drag strip!! Sounds like Odam2k had a day made in heaven for a Heli Junkie!!!
Posted by ruddernate on 11-02-2008 01:02 AM:
nothing more difficult about nitro. just different. jump in and you won't regret it. hey odam i used my new power supply today and it's awesome. no more lugging that car battery around.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by sonnyhad on 11-02-2008 01:10 AM:
Power Supply
Did you make one from a computer power supply? I did a few weeks ago and its works like a dream!! So you think Nitro is the way to go? Being new with all the electrics nowdays I thought it was a toss up.
Posted by sonnyhad on 11-02-2008 01:25 AM:
Ruddernate, thats some gallery
Man, you have quite a gallery there Nate!! Whats more expensive, going to the Harley store or the Hobby shop? I was just telling the local hobby shop owner today that there wasn't much difference. HD hundred dollar or HS hobby shop, same difference to me so far! Well not quite but sure seems like it. I'll keep practicing.
Posted by ruddernate on 11-02-2008 01:38 AM:
harley or lhs it's a toss up. i ordered the same power supply that odam has, the power force. i've used a car battery since i started in this hobby and it's ok for the field but in the shop it's so nice now i can just plug it in. thanx for the suggestion odam. my gallery keeps growing this hobby is addicting for sure.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 11-02-2008 01:44 AM:
Thanks Papa sal! So you guys actually think the ltg 2001g is for a little more experienced pilots? It holds like a rock, I actually heard some people comparing it to the 611 but I'm not sure how acurate that is. I'm thinking about selling my 401 on the 600 to get a spartan what do you guys think?

By the way I'm glad that number keeps going up odam, keep up the good work!! lol sunny!

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by ruddernate on 11-02-2008 01:08 AM:
i don't think you can have something to perfect. if you can afford it it'll be nice. i personally want a solid g but for my flying skills the 401 should be fine for a long time. now if i ever destroy it in a crash i will definately try the solid g maybe a 611.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Uplink Tom on 11-02-2008 02:06 AM:
You all suck.

I can't get to my helis for another 5 days.

Heli's just mock me then crash....

Posted by atvracer on 11-02-2008 02:13 AM:
I didn't make to the field but I did flew my Vibe90 1 time and my 600n 3 times at my house next to my shop just to keep from getting to rusty now I need some plank stick time between work oil show and weather this year suck for flying but LHS Oklahoma hobbies finally getting my Rave I preordered last April should it have it Tuesday so I can do more flying at home and maybe at work in the warehouse after work since the time goes back tonight


Atv
Posted by odam2k on 11-02-2008 02:25 AM:
Yeah, an extra hour of flying before work in the mornings! Yippee!
Uplink, sorry man, hope you have your sim with you, not the same, but at least you can go nuts with it... But it's ok, I'll do enough flying for the both of us k?
Posted by ruddernate on 11-02-2008 03:48 AM:
glad you're finally getting that rave. now i'm jealous. i'll let you tell curtis what needs to be changed then you can buy the new one and i'll take the old one off your hands as a favor. anything i can do to help jk can't wait to check it out.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 11-02-2008 04:03 AM:
Atv cool heli I just saw a video and the pirouete is just AMAZING!!! How much do those things cost??

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by rcmadness on 11-02-2008 04:05 AM:
You got your Rave, you lucky son of a gun.
I am jealous too, but I have realized the jealosy in this hobby can only be cured with money and I don't have any extra right now. Actually I do have a little but it is going towards a gasser at some point.

Keep us posted on how it flies. I am curious if you believe it flies as well as a 50 size nitro. I have seen that opinion posted several times.

However I must say my 450 flies just like my 600, its all over the place and defiantly not pretty in flight.

Trex-250-450se-450pro-500esp-600nitro-Predator Gasser

Posted by ruddernate on 11-02-2008 04:08 AM:
i think that's you madness. not the heli's. i can rib on ya after your comments about my shaky thumbs. hey atv are you gonna run the 325 or 350mm blades?

fly it like you stole it

Posted by rcmadness on 11-02-2008 04:17 AM:
I still think your shaking heli/thumbs is the funniest thing I have seen in this hobby so fare. I read an article in RC Heli about the new Futaba Fasst system and how little latency it has. I thought to myself, after seeing your heli shake in rythm with your thumbs you definatly didn't need a faster system.

Trex-250-450se-450pro-500esp-600nitro-Predator Gasser

Posted by ruddernate on 11-02-2008 04:25 AM:
ha ha ha ha. laugh it up madness. karma will pay you back with a nice pile of crumpled heli parts if you're not careful. my thumbs aren't so shaky these days, but i still get nervous in front of people. when i fly alone my flips are smoother and i've been landing nose in quite a bit, but don't even try it when others are watching.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by odam2k on 11-02-2008 04:26 AM:
Finally got my video posted, it was too long for YouTube, so I posted it on vimeo.com which means at least its in high def...

http://vimeo.com/2129374

I was at Wallmart tonight and picked up this aluminum tool case for $20, pretty cool, it fits my starter, radio, battery, charger, and all my lipos

Hope I'm not boring y'all....
Posted by Daveyg on 11-02-2008 04:32 AM:
let's not talk about the game.

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 11-02-2008 04:35 AM:
I hear ya davey Although TT is a good team though

Cool vid odam, I thought you had a stalled engine or was that later?

Cool case by the way now all you need is a lot of foam to keep everything from moving.

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by odam2k on 11-02-2008 04:45 AM:
It was later... the wife got cold and was sitting in the car when that happened, she takes all the vids.... I can't believe how well that handled in the wind... I've been flying my b400 a lot in the wind lately, and this hardly even noticed it.
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 11-02-2008 04:49 AM:
oh definitively, hovering actually becomes a little boring since they're so stable huh...

by the way how long till you start doing flips and such with that one?? It get's a little scary to try anything after flying the little one's don't you think

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by sonnyhad on 11-02-2008 04:58 AM:
Thats Pretty Cool Odam!!!
Hey dude, nice video!! How big is that compared to a Trex 600? Looks about the same size, but its hard to tell. I know you had fun!! Sounds like you had an awesome day!! I can't wait!!! Looks like you got it burning about right from the smoke i could see!
Posted by sonnyhad on 11-02-2008 05:03 AM:
Boring us?
Not at all Odam2k, these are cool, and I get charged up watching and reading your comments. I appreciate it very much. Its also cool to know your wife enjoys watching you and videoing also! Awesome!!!
Posted by ruddernate on 11-02-2008 05:27 AM:
hey guys i know it's unrelated but wanted to show off my new pics. here's my snaggletooth shop helpers. they were out digging in the sand and throwing their new planes around. having a blast.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by Daveyg on 11-02-2008 01:43 PM:
that's fine lookin bunch of little okies you got there RN

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by odam2k on 11-02-2008 02:08 PM:
Morning everyone... bad news, down to 1 successful flight now

It was -4c this morning, and have the blade 400 up for about 3 minutes when it just suddenly droped out of the sky. I'm pretty sure it lost power momentarily, and stupid me, I had an older AR6100 in it that doesnt have the fast reboot... I have a BEC on it, so I don't understand what happened. I will immediately replace it with one that has the quick reboot upgrade on it, and hope for the best in the future cold days. I even had my batteries in a nice warm lunch cooler type thing with some hot gel packs.

Doesn't matter, I have the rappy

That leads me to a question on the raptor. The guy I bought it from had only 10 flights on it since it was new, it has the stock motor in it, and hasn't flown it for a year and a half. When we flew it the other night in the parking lot, it flew about a half tank, thn we set down to do something, and it wouldn't start again. Turns out the bolts holding the head on were loose, in fact, one was already missing. No problem, we tightened them up, and I've replaced the missing one.

I assume I should be putting threadlock on them?

I have the blue Tamiya liquid thread lock. Is that ok? I just want to check because its on the head, so likely gets quite hot.

Once I get that done, its off to the heli club for to go through some more nitro... BTW, I don't know the prices you guys pay for nitro, but I got 2 gallons of CoolPower 15% Heli (the green stuff) for $23CDN each, then yesterday I found it for $17, and picked up another one.
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 11-02-2008 02:41 PM:
You got a nice family there ruddernate!!!

Sorry to hear about your 400 odam, putting the rx with the new firmware is definitively a smart thing to do. Those are really good prices for fuel, last time I bought a gallon around here it was like $25-30+ for one gallon. I'm sure that thread lock is fine if not just go to autozone and get one of the blue threadlock bottles, it should last you about a year if not more and it holds extremely well!!
Are you going to post any more videos today?

Oh yeah hey sunny did you get your heli fixed?

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by odam2k on 11-02-2008 04:16 PM:
Check out my parts wall

It's nice to not have to run out for every little part. Most of that is eFlite stuff, gotta start stocking up on Raptor and Voyager parts next...

ruddernate, with all that help you aught to be able to rebuid a heli pretty quick.
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 11-02-2008 04:46 PM:
I was a little bored and so I took the 500 outside and took some pictures, I hope you guys like'm.

Hey ruddernate do you see my doberman watching me fly? He's sitting behind the mustang on the third picture(just a little problem, he's a miniature)

I don't have much room to fly that one just look at the tree branches right on top of it

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by povern on 11-02-2008 05:15 PM:
If anyone is interested there is a Trex 500, with the metal upgrades. All electronics, except RX and TX, with 2 3s batteries for sale for $550.00 at a local (110 miles away). Found it yesterday, looks old, but in good shape. Let me know and I can give you a phone number.

I also want to make sure the owner knows I'm trying to move this so he will work with me on getting a Protos.....

povern

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by povern on 11-02-2008 05:18 PM:
Hey RN, you got your snaggletooth helpers on the Sim yet?

My daughter is just starting to come around to trying it. Hope she get the bug, then the wifey poo has no choice and the domination continues. Uh, I mean we can help our daughter expand her horizons and be exposed to different things.

povern

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by ruddernate on 11-02-2008 05:20 PM:
hey oh6, nice heli. i think my dog may swallow him whole. here's Kaiser von Faust
and he's still just a pup

yea povern they all love the sim. still working on getting it down in one piece. built the plank for the old lady. she's working on her landings. oh and i may play with it some too.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by ruddernate on 11-02-2008 05:26 PM:
hey povern you need to make a mobile out of all those busted blades. i hang mine on a string like a stringer full of fish. i'll get a pic soon. gonna hang it over the front of the heli shop soon.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 11-02-2008 05:54 PM:
man great lookig pup!! Here's a pic of the min pin and my blue nose pitty. His only 6 months in that pic, his daddy weights 100lbs so I hope he can grow that big also! Those gun darn dogs killed all my grass!!

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by Daveyg on 11-02-2008 06:23 PM:
good idea on the blade stringer RN I will put mine on a string with the main shafts and other parts and get a pic.

do unto others then stand back and watch.

Posted by ruddernate on 11-02-2008 06:34 PM:
mine will wrap around the shop several times eventually i'm sure. good looking dogs. heading out to the shop now to rewire the 450. just now getting around to moving the gyro and have some more braided sheilding to put on.

here's a pic of my blade stringer when i first started on the heli shop. it's grown considerably since.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by sonnyhad on 11-02-2008 09:04 PM:
Blades!
I guess i wont feel so bad about breaking blades. I broke a couple the other day but i couldn't find them in the leaves! Odam thats a nice supply you got there!! It makes perfect sense, not like you'll never use them.
Posted by odam2k on 11-02-2008 09:31 PM:
Did my first auto with the raptor, in fact, first auto ever... Good thing I at least knew what I was supposed to do. I dunno yet why, but I was about 30-40 feet up and the motor just quit. I brought the collective down to neutral pitch, then about 10 feet up gave it lots of pitch, and she just settled down nicely... I think I'll go ahead and do more of them. I had thought of practicing them, but just never got around to it. Well, now I have

So I checked the engine temp with my laser thermometer, and it was only 124f so I don't think it overheated, I tried to start it again, and it was locked up, wouldn't turn over.

Well, I was told I'd probably want to upgrade the motor when I bought it, so I stopped on the way home from the field and picked up an OS37. I guess I'm gonna become a Raptor Mechanic now....

Hey, any excuse for an upgrade
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 11-02-2008 09:37 PM:
great odam, I'm glad you landed safely!! Any videos of that?

By the way good upgrade, that's probably the best engine for your 30!!

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by odam2k on 11-02-2008 09:54 PM:
Unfortunately no video.... wifey stayed home today. however, there was a photographer at the club today, and he asked if he could take shots while I flew, and he said he had 3 shots of it on its way down... He's supposed to email me some pics...

Now I'm gonna have to print out some stickers cause the Raptor definately earned one today!
Posted by sonnyhad on 11-02-2008 10:10 PM:
Did ya use the finger test on that engine Odam?
Man, glad you didnt smash it all up. Like you said, good thing you had an idea of what to do. I saw a finless video on it and the upgrade R/F sim has it on there and i tried it out a couple of times. Another skill you'll soon have mastered by the looks of things.
Good luck with that! Curious to know why the old motor froze though, if you find out, let us know!
Thanks for all your posts, I like to follow along on the adventure!!!
Sonny Hadden
Posted by odam2k on 11-02-2008 10:32 PM:
I'm pretty sure the piston rod broke by the feel of it... I've got the old motor out, and am just putting the new one in. Maybe later I'll pull the old one apart and see whats wrong.

I checked the temp with my laser thermometer, it was 124f and touching it with my finger it didnt feel hot at all. It was quite cold out, and very windy, so I'm sure it wasn't overheated. That motor only had maybe 15 tanks on it...

Autos are remarkably easy, I will definately be practicing them now, mostly becase its so cool to watch others come screaming in without power and land right at their feet
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 11-02-2008 10:37 PM:
hehe yeah, just make sure that if you're going to try it with your smaller helis to try it from a little lower. The bigger one's tend to float a little but the little one's you pretty much have one chance. like the 500 I can keep it up for about 2-4 seconds, the 450 just drops and you really have to be careful with those.

By the way make sure to lower the throttle stick everytime before you turn the throttle hold off, ask me how I know.

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by odam2k on 11-02-2008 11:28 PM:
Yeah, I usually hit t-hold about 2 feet up with the 400 when running idle up mode. I wouldnt call that an auto though, lol

My speed controller has a really nice super-soft start, but I've never had the guts to try it I assume that would work even for taking it off t-hold.
Posted by sonnyhad on 11-03-2008 12:38 AM:
Auto's
Man, I think all the auto's I'll be doing will be on the simulator!! I hate the thought of practicing crash landings. I think i have them down pat, the crash part that is!!!
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 11-03-2008 12:44 AM:
lol sunny! practice them, you never know when you're going to need them!

Just ask odam if you don't believe me! It's actually easier to land with auto's than with the motor/engine on!!

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by odam2k on 11-03-2008 12:48 AM:
yep, especially on a bigger heli... I was really surprised how slowly it came down.
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 11-03-2008 01:03 AM:
hey sunny did you get your sim fixed??

Odam when you started giving it pitch as it was falling, are you sure it was at about 10ft off of the ground?? Did it land softly or was it bump? The reason why I ask is because I thought you were supposed to wait a little longer(until its about 5ft off the ground sounds good to me but I'm not really sure and haven't tried it from that far up high).

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by ruddernate on 11-03-2008 01:09 AM:
hey guys have you seen this. i've been wanting to build a heli baby or a heli boy and i found this gallery. scroll down to the gi joe build. it's hillarious.

http://runryder.com/t470537p1/

fly it like you stole it

Posted by odam2k on 11-03-2008 01:11 AM:
I think it was about 10 feet, I can't be absolutely sure, it happened so fast, in fact, just before it touched down, I gave it to much pitch, and it went back up about a foot, then down. It wasn't as smooth as I normally land, but it didn't hrt anything. One of the guys there thought I was practicing autos, he thought it was pretty good. I'll be nervous next time I do one on purpose, but at least I know I can do them now, thats a big relief.

Got my OS37 installed, lots of loctite on all the bolts etc. Maybe at lunch tomorrow I can put a tank through. Very rich, and just a nice easy hover...

Well, guess I better go have a look at the Blade 400, suppose I should fix it
Posted by Panda on 11-03-2008 01:25 AM:
Got all my parts yesterday and have installed everything except the tail servo rod. I need some time to really set everything up before the first flight after the major crash. Im leaving town this week and won't be back till next Tuesday(Ill still be checkin' the site though!). Weather is going to be awesome here until Thurs., then it turns cold again. Just wish I had a little more time here. I went ahead and bit the bullet and got the full metal tail setup from microheli. I also ordered the gorilla flybar paddles and they weren't what I expected. I thought they were gonna be what was on the heli when I bought it but I was wrong! Oh well, guess I'll just try them out. I'll be flying the sim for awhile, but its just not the same as the real thing. Hope everyone is getting some flights in and no damage!
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 11-03-2008 01:27 AM:
hehe that's pretty good ruddernate! where in the world did he get the tiny little wrenches. What kind of heli do you think that is??

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by ruddernate on 11-03-2008 01:31 AM:
it's a heli baby. it's kind of a vintage thing. hard to find but i've been looking for a good deal on one. do a search on heliboy or helibaby and you'll see some old helis.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 11-03-2008 01:34 AM:
hehe I thought he had just engraved that in there.

Hey panda that's great!! What's wrong with the Gorilla paddles? My friend flies with those and they seem to work great! By the way did you get the Gorilla landing gear too? Those things are undestroyable!!

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by sonnyhad on 11-03-2008 01:38 AM:
Auto's
Falling at 70mph better start at 10' there abouts, depending on hold old you are and how fast your reflexes are. Its a good upgrade on the real flight simulator! You can even size the target area anysize you want. Me, I'd better stick with the hovering for the most part but when i get bored, I look around a bit!
Posted by Panda on 11-03-2008 01:57 AM:
Yeah, the gorilla landing gea was one of my first purchases. I havent needed them yet! So I haven't put them on. As for the flybar paddles, Im not used to them yet. The ones I had were alot wider and had some room for weight in them. We'll see how the new ones go in about a week.
Posted by povern on 11-03-2008 02:03 AM:
Just bought my second set of Gorilla paddles, once you get used to them, you won't want to use anything else.

love that you can add or remove weight to get them to perform how you want.

BTW: Switch to the Gorrilla Gear landing gear, before you break the other ones. Those things are indistructable.

povern

Screw It, I'm gonna fly
Synergy E5, E5s and Logo 800 xxtreme
vControl and Neo

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 11-03-2008 02:05 AM:
oh man I wonder which one's Mike ordered? His have this little whole for a weight rod that you can cut yourself to your liking?

Hey povern those are the one's I'm talking about!! I second that he showed me the other day how durable they are and it's quite impressive!!

Ruddernate cool heli here is a video of one flying:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nmz0...feature=related

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 11-03-2008 02:17 AM:
you guys check out this heli it's pretty awesome!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooRX...feature=related

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by ruddernate on 11-03-2008 02:57 AM:
that's a cool turbine. that guy has some money. the guy on the gi joe thread had heli baby etched into it because the kit is a reproduction of the older heli baby. just trying to make it authentic. i like the heli boy better i think, but the heli baby is really cool too.

here's some pics from a friend's gallery. i bought my rappy off him. he builds these as well. the red one is the heli boy and the black one is an old cricket. OLD SCHOOL

fly it like you stole it

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 11-03-2008 03:18 AM:
Oh man without a doubt, I bet there's atleast 10k in that!! I really like the tail on it, no rotor but do you think it uses it's own fan or does it use the exhaust? I doubt it's the exhaust because it's a tuboshaft not a jet. I wouldn't even know where to buy a kit like that

Those are pretty cool, do you think the older pilot's where a little better since they didn't have a gyro?

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by odam2k on 11-03-2008 03:27 AM:
As I said earlier (I think) when I was at the field today, there was a guy taking pictures, he does this as a hobby, and he asked if he could take pics of the raptor while I was flying. Here are a couple of those pictures

Posted by ruddernate on 11-03-2008 03:28 AM:
i think the old guys were gluttons for punishment. i've seen some competitions from the 70's where the winner was the guy who could bring it down in one piece. a lot of times if a guy could sustain a hover for more than 4or5 seconds it brought huge applause. also they didn't have internet like us. they had poor instructions and untested designs that they had to try and make work. i have a lot of respect for the older guys who've done this forever. if it weren't for the pioneers suffering through the early years 99 percent of us would've given up as soon as we saw a kit. that's why i want an old vintage heli, to see a taste of what the old guys went through.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by ruddernate on 11-03-2008 03:29 AM:
great pics odam. hard to get quality shots like that.

fly it like you stole it

Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 11-03-2008 03:52 AM:
hehe makes you wonder what they think about pilots like Alan Zsabo and such! That would actually be great, I can just imagine what would happen if you take my gyro away. Hehe I closed my eyes and saw a mushroom cloud with a bunch of parts flying around. Hey does your friend that owns those helis actually fly them, it would be great to have the skills!!

Odam those are really great pictures, he really did a great job and you did too since you got to take your rappy home in one piece!!

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by odam2k on 11-03-2008 03:56 AM:
Thanks... I have the one with the blurred background as my desktop background

I started flying with the CP Pro, its tail is notoriously loose, and the built in rate gyro sucks. You get used to flying the tail with that. Of course, nothing like it would have been in the old days without even a rate gyro. Was talking to a guy at the club yesterday, he started flying helis in '85 before gyros existed.
Posted by OH-6 Cayuse on 11-03-2008 04:21 AM:
Oh man!!! check this video out, metal blades man those guys were insane Check out that IDIOT at 3:33mins

4:26 that's what you were talking about huh ruddernate!
4:56-5:10

hehe 1:51 had crazy bearing or blade tracking problems
2:53 no gyro!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNve7kzJhm4

!!For some people the sky is the limit, for me it's home!!

Posted by ruddernate on 11-03-2008 04:48 AM:
great vid.that's the guys i'm talking about. man it had to be tough back then.

fly it like you stole it

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