at the mumber of people who are dead set on getting an Aurora who have no idea that Carbon Xtreme has the FX, EFX, progarmmable head, and many other products for other helicopters?
Posted by Louisiana Helicam on 01-24-2007 02:17 PM:
I personally believe that the FX and EFX are just fine.
Posted by MannyLalo on 01-24-2007 03:56 PM:
...but the AVANT EFX or FX is not we have seen flown by Alan Szabo on IRCHA 2006 demonstration. It is the NEWLY developed Aurora AVANT why stick on the old one when a new breed, buged-out and improve one is out? Does this make any sense enough?
Posted by Louisiana Helicam on 01-24-2007 04:05 PM:
Watch some of his old Raptor 90 vids and it will bring you back down to Earth.
Posted by bparro on 01-24-2007 05:11 PM:
or watch the vids of him flying an EFX right here on runryder They are no way different than the aroura videos.
Posted by Louisiana Helicam on 01-24-2007 06:53 PM:
I now have my FX set up just the way I like it. I'm sticking with it.
Posted by MannyLalo on 01-24-2007 07:06 PM:
The point - NEWER IS BETTER!I think Carbon Extreme is smart enough not to make the Aurora if older model is better instead just keep making and selling FX and EFX models. Why bother with a new breed if old is the best inline they have - does this make any sense?Also I noticed that lots of pilots selling their Vigor CS cheap and preparing for the Aurora.
Posted by Louisiana Helicam on 01-24-2007 07:10 PM:
The point - NEWER IS BETTER!
ManyLalo...I suppose that you, in your infinite wisdom...and from your apparent career choice...chose Windows ME because it was "newer and better" as well?Story/Analogy (for those who have a brain and know how to actually use it): I used to play tennis religiously during high school and college. We all had nice, expensive, latest-and-greatest rackets...except for one guy who would always show up and beat the hell out of everyone with an old, rickety, wooden racket. My point....?
Posted by Zaneman007 on 01-24-2007 08:11 PM:
Is anyone else amazed............
MEDFLIGHT,dude I am with ya. Shows you what marketing can do. I even saw a web site that was taking pre-orders? Wonder how many people signed up for that?Aurora dudes don't get me wrong, but.... The Avant Aurora kit is a.... photo on a web sight (for the past?)P.S. I would love for someone to prove me wrong. It looks to be a nice machine. But right now it's just a pipe dream with a marketing arm. That is to say, I'd buy one, but... they don't make em. So my next heli will be something else...
Old Guys Rule!
Posted by Zaneman007 on 01-24-2007 08:13 PM:
I have to correct my previous post. Factory reps are flying them. I guess I just don't know where the factory is?
Old Guys Rule!
Posted by MannyLalo on 01-24-2007 08:27 PM:
@ ViperHawkI must be dumb because I dont see the point...?Keeping it simple and stupid - a Tennis Racket is not a Helicopter. Racket complexity, built, engineering and physics of flight is incomparable with a heli. Besides tennis racket doesn't fly with remote control.Heard of comparing apples with apples? C'MON guys!
Comparing Avant Heli Old v.s Avant Heli New assuming everything else including pilot skill equal - fits the above adage for comparison right?Scientific? Logical? Sensible? Lack of a better word to describe - apodictic?
Posted by Louisiana Helicam on 01-24-2007 08:36 PM:
Manny, since when did a simple analogy become a dead-on comparison? ...oh wait, just a sec. sorry:http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/analogyI wasn't comparing a helicopter to a tennis racket my brother. You obviously missed the point. Let me be a little more clear for you. Here we go...you ready? With today's technology, a good pilot will put on a hell of a show with pretty much any of the upper-level machines that are out right now. The difference gap between the Aurora and the FX/EFX isn't wide enough for me to justify sitting on Runryder all day and whining about the Aurora not being out and how great it's going to be. The Aurora may have some design qualities that make things more convenient to work on, CNC this/that, weighs 2 ounces less....help me I'm dying...can'atewr get air ''asd.f.sf can't breathe....oh god , can't take it anymore ...blah blah blah, etc. etc. etc....but it's not going to fly any better than an FX/EFX in the hands of any capable pilot.If you STILL need apples to apples; I'm back to Alan Szabo/Raptor 90...Alan Szabo/Avant...Alan Szabo/Aurora. Pretty much all the same. I'm sure most would agree.
Posted by MannyLalo on 01-24-2007 08:47 PM:
My understanding is we already passed the analogy of the 11th Century for comparison. We are dead-on comparison earlier and your argument is a step backwards or on a circuitouos path that bring the argument nowhere.We are already at the ERA of exact Science (Electronics as one, while medicine getting closer) the reason we are now benefiting with these fantastic machine seems incomprehensible in the 11th century forefathers.Getting back to the point - I believe people like Alan Szabo can shed light to this argument since the pilots like him that had his hand on all of the Avant machine can be deemed credible.
Posted by Louisiana Helicam on 01-24-2007 08:50 PM:
We are dead-on comparison earlier and your argument is a step backwards or on a circuitouos path that bring the argument nowhere.
Depends on who y'are.What does the 11th century have to do with anything?
Posted by MannyLalo on 01-24-2007 09:01 PM:
---What does the 11th century have to do with anything? ---I was refering to your method of argument - very popular back then (11th century or even earlier - made a law degree a very lucrative profession even now a days protracting cases and bill by the hours or until the client runs out of doe) and considered obsolote compared to exact sciences now a days.
Neither the EFX or FX are complete kits and both depend on using some Freya parts. The Freya T/R drive can wear and slip, and the auto hub has been known to fail. Right now, the cost of the conversion kit and the head is about the same as the projected cost of the Aurora which hopefully will have those problems resolved and not require the purchase of another kit to get flying. steve.
Posted by bparro on 01-24-2007 09:14 PM:
That is one thing that sucks about the aroura...my EFX with e3 auto hub,and programmable head is hugely de-valued thanks to the aroura I have about $1500 into it and would be lucky to sell it for $600.
Posted by whirlyspud on 01-24-2007 09:18 PM:
I guess you should just keep it and fly it.Mike
Posted by Louisiana Helicam on 01-24-2007 09:23 PM:
I was refering to your method of argument - very popular back then (11th century or even earlier - made a law degree a very lucrative profession even now a days protracting cases and bill by the hours or until the client runs out of doe) and considered obsolote compared to exact sciences now a days.
...and you thought my tennis racket analogy was strange...
Posted by bparro on 01-24-2007 09:25 PM:
Posted by MannyLalo on 01-24-2007 09:48 PM:
I never said it was strange but you just did.What I said is that your argument is a step backwards that ends nowhere. Just like now since I believe I already won the argument when you gave-up.Besides there are enumerable threads here that supports my claim about the Aurora Avant as a better heli for now.
Posted by Louisiana Helicam on 01-24-2007 09:51 PM:
lol...what does one say to that? What exactly did you "win"? Someone told me to avoid going around in circles with idiots. I took this as wise advice and, therefore, that's what I did. I'm done (even if that means I've lost what you seem to consider an "argument"...RC helicopters aren't what I choose to let my pride rest upon). Guess we're still stuck in the 11th century huh?...
Posted by MannyLalo on 01-24-2007 09:54 PM:
You beat me for being pointless....Idiot? Battles?... Is this how you always perceived anybody who makes a sensible argument contrary to yours? As an idiot adversary - You must be refering to yourself being out of good argument to use! I felt bad wasting my mind and time to you!My common sense is telling me to stop arguing with insensible dude because others may not know the difference between the two of us..... So I rest my case.
Posted by Louisiana Helicam on 01-24-2007 09:54 PM:
Beat ya to it...back into the hole you go
Posted by MEDFLIGHT on 01-24-2007 09:56 PM:
I wasn't trying to compare the FX/EfX to the Aurora. I was talking about the people who get on here and ask,"How are people flying Avants. I didn't think they were released yet." They have no idea what CX is, what products they sell, or what their customer support is like. All they know is they want an Aurora and have to have one as soon as it's released. If you painted "Aurora" on the side of a Gohbee canopy most of them probably couldn't tell the difference.
Posted by Louisiana Helicam on 01-24-2007 09:59 PM:
Medflight...very true.For those who aren't familiar with Carbon Xtreme...and, so as not to waste any more time talking about the 11th century judicial system, tennis rackets, and various forms of incompetance; Check out Carbon Xtreme's (CX's) website: http://www.carbonxtreme.comThe existing Avant is the machine that has been out for a couple of years. It is an upgrade kit for a few helicopters in the Hirobo lineup. Think of it as what the Saleen package is to a Mustang (oh no...ManyLalo, please don't give yourself Carpel Tunnel Syndrome over this analogy and how it fits in with the 11th century...)The Avant Aurora is the new machine that will soon be purchased as a full-blown, all-in-one kit from the parent company, Carbon Xtreme (CX).
Posted by colsy on 01-24-2007 10:11 PM:
Hmmm, i dont see that many differences between my AVANT EFX C/W Programmable head, and the Aurorra/Colin
Only Quote From Experience.
Posted by Louisiana Helicam on 01-24-2007 10:15 PM:
Same head.It looks as though my little medieval friend has given up...
Posted by MEDFLIGHT on 01-25-2007 04:48 AM:
A different clutch, frames, and entire tail doesn't look like many differences? Seems like a completely different heli to me. Haven't heard this officially, but I'd say the programmable head was designed with the Aurora in mind, not the Freya.