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Angelos
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Many video links transmitters have build in voltage regulator so they can accept a wide voltage range which is typically 12V to 18V. However mine has much more strict voltage requirements and needs a 12V +/-10% Even in this range, voltage variation will still result to a small frequency shift and occasionally the receiver will start scanning for the signal again.

I am sure many people are aware of voltage regulator chips like the LM7812 but these have very bad efficiency. You could be losing around 50% of the energy on the regulator which just becomes heat. Additionally you would need three extra NiCD cells since such regulators need a higher voltage in the input to reliably produce a 12V on the output. My calculations for that are as follows… My 9Z gives a low battery alarm at 8.4V therefore 1.05V per cell which is the voltage I would consider a NiCD cell to be empty. For an LM7812 to produce a good 12V output all the way until the pack is empty I would have to use a 13 or 14 NiCD cell pack.

However, there is another way. Yesterday I received a DC/DC converter which I ordered early this week. It is manufactured by http://www.tracopower.com/ but I bought mine from http://rswww.com/ The manufacturers part number for mine is “TEN 4-2412” (RS order code 347-7330). This provides 12V (330mA max) for any input voltage in the range 9V to 36V and regulation efficiency is 83%. I can use this with a 12 cell NiCD pack or 4 cell LiPo or any anything up to 36V and the video link will work fine until the pack is completely dead. I tried it out last night with my old 12 cell NiCD and I got a huge improvement in operating time and frequency stability. I highly recommend them. If you need more than 330mA power there are other types of this DC/DC converter that will provide as much as you need.

The use of such DC/DC converter however gave me another problem. Because the video remains unaffected from the pack voltage the 12 cell NiCD pack can be discharged to 0.75V per cell or less without any warning which could be harmful for the pack. Now I need to design a cut off circuit that will switch of the video link when the pack voltage becomes critically low. Again I don’t like my video link to go off without warning so I am planning to make a simple video overlay circuit to display the battery status and perhaps some more things like altitude etc.

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Angelos
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Angelos,

Would your video overlay circuit measure upto 40 volts for us electric power guys?

Arthur
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Angelos
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Arthur,
I was just thinking about this as I plan to get a Logo 20 for aerial photography. Yes it could be made to measure the large voltages of the flight pack and even measure the video link voltage at the same time.

What I had in mind is to measure both current and voltage and calculate consumpion in Wh (Watt Hours). Knowing the capacity of the pack and the measuring the consumption it is not hard to work out the remaining operating time in minutes. I’ll have to think about it a bit more but I am very keen to put something together. I have already ordered the video overlay chip and will start “playing” with it tomorrow.

The only problem I have at the moment is to passively measure the current of the main flight pack.

-Angelos
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HeliKalle
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Angelos,
Long time no chat...

What overlaychip do you have in mind? I too am a litle interested.

Planing on trading my x-cell for an electric.

/Christian
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donlynn
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Gidday

I remember seeing a video link that didi just that

gave you the picture as well as 4 parameters rx batt voltage, altitude, rate of climb and airspeed
around $1000 for camera tx and rx,

hopefully someone here can provide a link this is the one I had but now it's gone stale
http://members.rogers.com/meneer/yn.../lolo/index.htm

Regards Don

ps hows the flash charger going?
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yb2normal
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The TL100 will measure up to 50v and is available from these guys:

http://www.sky-spy.bigstep.com/

For a video system, if you have not already bought one you can save yourself a tremendous amount of weight by going with a system that operates at 5v. They tend to be a little bit more energy efficient and they open up your battery options quite a bit. If you want to share your main battery on something like a high cell count electric helicopter, you can use one of the growing number of rc voltage regulators designed for the purpose. I've used the s-bec with good success from firmtronics.com

If you decide to use a dedicated battery, then a 4 or 5 cell nicad pack will do the job fine on these 5v systems. In this manner you can shave close to a pound off your installation with no loss in range or run time.

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Bill
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ELOSSAM
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Hi Angelos,
May be this gadget will look interesting for you. Its an inflight ampmeter.
http://www.u-i-modelltechnik.de/AW_...plus_neu__.html
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Angelos
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ELOSSAM,
This looks like an interesting device. I wish I could understand the all the details, as the computer translation doesn’t always makes sense.

Anyway… it is easy to measure small currents. The problem is measuring the current of the motor of an electric heli. Imagine something the size of a Logo20 or a Joker.

The typical way to measure current is by measuring the voltage drop across a very small value resistor in the order of 0.05 Ohm.

I don’t know the exact figures for the motor of a Joker but I know the Joker is similar to a 60 size heli thus will have at least 2HP motors. If I remember right this translates to 1472Watts. With a 35 Volt pack this requires 42 Amps.

This current passing through the 0.05 0hm resistor generates 88Watts of heat and cause 2.1V voltage drop. NOT GOOD!

Of course I could put an even smaller resistor there to reduce the heat loses and voltage drop but the problem still remains is a smaller factor. This is why I said I want a passive way to measure it. I have no idea for how could this be done but there must be a way.

I built a prototype video overlay today and it works I can now play with around and try to interface various sensors like barometric altimeter, GPS, voltages etc. Anyone has ideas about other useful reading to add on the screen?

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Angelos
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