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First time in history, the VP broke the tie
vote in the senate for the Secretary of Education.

Now, in 20 years we just might have well educated
children becoming adults to run the USA!

The NEA has failed. As has CORE.

Why?

VOUCHERS on the agenda! I love it.

Talk about swamp draining!

Public education is in for a BIG CHANGE!

Choose your school.

I love gravity, it always keeps my feet planted when I fly!

02-08-2017 03:13 AM
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DroneCapt

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Thank You Trump Administration

02-08-2017 08:25 PM
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Str8wing

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Do away with "common core", then do away with unconstitutional feral interference in local education entirely. Betsy Devos should oversee the disbanding of her entire agency. One can only hope...

02-09-2017 12:15 AM
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chas1025

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https://news.vice.com/story/school-...oit-betsy-devos

You should read the story about the Devos family and their involvement with the MI school system before getting too excited. The end result is they want to push growth of religious schools at the expense of public schools. If you can't have religion in public schools, then destroy the fabric of public school and send the money to religious schools.

The MI charter schools are some of the worst scoring schools in the country. Right there with MS, which is a true accomplishment.

Michigan has one of the most lax charter school laws in the nation and is often called the “wild West” of school choice. Nearly 80 percent of the state’s charter schools are run by for-profit companies — the highest rate in the nation. Anyone can start a school, and charter authorizers include a wide range of public bodies such as traditional school districts, public universities, and community colleges.

Charter advocates point to the poor performance of public schools to explain the need for alternatives. But Michigan students’ achievement has not improved in step with increased school competition, and now both public schools and charters are falling behind. The state is currently ranked 41st in the nation in fourth-grade reading, when it was 28th in 2003.

Lack of regulation has meant charter operators with bad track records or no record at all have cropped up in Detroit and across the state. A 2014 Detroit Free Press investigation into mismanagement in the charter school sector found the state had spent nearly $1 billion on charter schools yet public accountability had plummeted and schools were floundering. A 2013 Stanford University study found that more than half of Detroit’s charter schools failed to perform “significantly better” in math and reading and in some cases performed worse than Detroit public schools. Overall, the report found that 84 percent of charter students in Michigan performed below the state average in math and 80 percent were below the state average in reading.

02-09-2017 01:13 AM
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koppter

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the only way to "do away" with common core is to have another curriculum developed with accompanying textbooks. that process takes years and costs states and districts hundreds of millions of dollars.

I'm curious why you think CC should be replaced. And replaced with what?

02-09-2017 03:06 PM
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1helimech

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Pensacola, Fla....

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cuz cc sucks look into it ...duh

I dream of a better world, A world where a chicken's crossing a road IS NOT questioned

02-09-2017 07:21 PM
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RM3

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public schools are doomed either way... Charter or otherwise and private are a skin tight second when you compare the quality of what they are learning that is of true worth to providing for the future.

WHY?

Cause we choose to stick a Phone in front of a crying baby as a means to get them to shut up and leave their parents alone... so that they can continue to like and BS on Facebook.... then grow up to "require" a phone to function.

Children are now nothing more than walking subsidies for school pension funds and teachers have devolved into a race hybrids consisting of entertainers and slobs.

We have failed in out education goals at both ends...

and you can thank technology for all that aided by social media and funded by the entitlement mind.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

02-10-2017 01:05 AM
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koppter

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I was really hoping for a more intellectual criticism of CC than simply that it sucks. What was so wonderful about what preceded it? What changed?

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spaceman spiff

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Are the examples on this link representative of common core? If so what grade level do they do that?

http://www.freedomworks.org/content...e-math-problems

You can not teach a crab to walk straight.

02-10-2017 03:17 AM
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koppter

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SS: the link is problems from a unnamed text that may or may not be aligned to the common core standards. the question about the jars is CC - instead of merely asking to solve for a number, the question uses tangible and familiar objects in such a way to prompt critical thinking rather than simply computation.

any kid can solve x + 6 = 9, but when put into a word problem even the parents start running for cover, yet that is the real world application.

BTW, I am huge Calvin and Hobbes fan.

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spaceman spiff

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Word problems are very important. Very rare that a problem in the real world shows up in equation form. The other stuff, jumps on a number line, those goofy "number bonds" for example... I don't know how representative those are of what goes on, but i have heard a few folks at work are annoyed after looking at their kid's studies.

I still have all of Waterson's books. I haven't sorted out the details yet, but somehow i am taking them with me when i die.

You can not teach a crab to walk straight.

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1helimech

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CC sucks .....duh

I dream of a better world, A world where a chicken's crossing a road IS NOT questioned

02-10-2017 12:30 PM
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Heli_Splatter

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If you cannot articulate an intellectual argument either for or against a topic and only can say "it sucks", maybe you should do us a favor and restrain your keyboard, or limit the utterance to a single release.

My public education far exceeded my six years of wasted private schooling religious education. This is just how I feel, and I understand others differ. My brothers and sisters feel differently.

02-10-2017 02:46 PM
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ChrisC1

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Common core, which is incredibly stupid, is a state issue not a federal issue.

I know most ignorant people like to blame Obama for common core, but common core has been around since 1996 created by a bipartisan organization.

But I am glad to see that everyone is so happy to have a person that has never worked with or for the public school system will be in charge.

A lot of people put down public school, but what is so damn funny, is that most of those complaining about it graduated from it themselves.

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Yes, because you don't go to one of the sources of the problem for a solution! As outsider will be far more open to what is going on than the incumbents who want to keep trodding down the same path to failure that they always have.

My take is go back to the fundamentals that worked great for years, and recognize that all students do *NOT* have the same learning ability, and allow each to rise to whatever level they can reach, rather than holding the class back for the slowest kid, or worse yet, dumbing down the curricula so that all can appear to get decent scores . . . that ultimately mean nothing . . .

Friends don't let friends become electrotarded . . . .

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ssmith512

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We have failed in out education goals at both ends...
Agreed 100%. They are not mutually exclusive. They most certainly should/need to be mutually inclusive.

I dont know if Common Core is good or bad, or if it works or not. But it can not be argued that the parenting of children the last generation and a half or so has most definitely taken turn for the worse (as a broad generalization). It's almost as if people have offspring to keep up with the neighbors or fulfill some sort of need/expectation, even if they are not ready for it. And then hope the "State" takes care of the educational/emotional/societal development.

Sad.

Steve

02-10-2017 09:21 PM
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koppter

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Much CC haters around here, but I have yet to read an intelligent response as to why. yes, CC is a state choice, however, the feds dangled some pretty big carrots in front of it and there was huge financial incentives for states to adopt.

02-11-2017 02:41 AM
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RM3

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there is nothing inherently wrong with Common Core... the idea is sound, BUT the implementation is an absolute disaster. The idea was to ensure that each and every school within the system would adhere to a certain level that would in essence enable students to work at the same level as others as far as an education standard goes....sorta like leveling the playing field. But how they carried it out is worse than asking a bobcat to babysit a box of baby chickens. The teachers (4 in my family) can attest to the fact that yes, all students learn differently, some can read instructions well while others learn by example. Still others are helpless either way (hence the need for vocational classes which have sadly disappeared to the detriment of the lower middle class and working poor). Yet they are forced to teach one way and one way only as per guidance and regulation. But the added pressure to pass them all by the administrators (each kid is money in the bank) and additional pressure by parents to not offend their kids sensitivities for being unable to pass a class or feel like they failed has resulted in a system in which the more they can pass though the better it is for all teachers and the districts in which they operate(cause the goal is to retire and in the case of college to attain tenure). they are up against a system that does not reward smarter students but rather more of them. and the more praise they can get from parents for making their tarded kid feel good about themselves for figuring out how many quarters are in a dollar in 11th grade, the less they have to deal with stupid parents, disrespectful kids and corrupt administrators whos only goal is to fatten their checking account.
The Common Core focuses on developing the critical-thinking, problem-solving, and analytical skills students will need to be successful
The new standards also provide a way for teachers to measure student progress throughout the school year and ensure that students are on the pathway to success in their academic careers
now ask yourself this... what part of critical thinking have you seen coming from our kids lately?... and what exactly are they measuring and considering success?

our kids are not being taught to think critically... and they sure as hell aint being very successful academically as far as the way things have been going the last 20 years...

and really... what did you expect grade school teachers (which are mostly millennials and gen X'res now) to be able to teach besides dependency instead of self reliance?

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

02-11-2017 04:43 AM
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koppter

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you are confusing federal mandates regarding students with identified disabilities with state adopted curriculum. one has nothing to do with the other.

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RM3

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any kid can solve x + 6 = 9
yeah? when was the last time you walked thru a high school in a lower middle class town... Im willing to bet 50% of 8th graders in Chicago cant solve it... and 75% of them cant find a parent to begin with.

I actually got into a confrontation with my kids 8th grade math teacher... Im a math minor with A's all the way through to Cal III, but this teacher couldnt teach math (algebra) and went so far as to mark many of my kids math problems wrong when in fact they were done correctly, solved step by step... it got so bad that I called in one of my professors to back me up and demonstrate the solution on the white board during an after school meeting. can you imagine, two people, one a Masters in Computer science, the other a PhD in mathematics having to argue over a an algebraic word problem with a teacher with a teachers certificate?...My kids teachers response after having to admit she was wrong was simply "well thats what the manual said".

Im not confusing anything... those quotes are directly from the common core .org website.

what they state CC is and the results we are seeing firsthand are two different things. When 3/4 of the country thinks we need to scrap CC... they all cant be wrong.

we now have immature and poorly prepared teachers that cant teach, disrespectful students(supported/ignored by parents) that believe they can bark at teachers and school administrators that use the school as their personal bank account.

the school system as a whole is nothing short of a disaster with no end in sight.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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