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rrProfessor

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It not only has to fly like the real thing, it has to look like the real thing too.
I am with peter on That. Scale and sport flying for me. I wont call the "tricks" I do 3D, and I only do what I can do in the presence of a non rc heli crowd who will ohh and ahh at a loop, roll and some inverted hovers, nothing us regulars are impressed with.
I like watching 3D at the big events like Ircha when its one pilot at a time and you can focus on what they are doing.
What I like about scale flying is the lifespan of your heli can last a long time, I have a regularly flying scaler that is 13 years old and a few others up there too.

drive a rotary, fly a rotorcraft

01-09-2017 07:18 PM
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Heli Fanatix

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Fountain Valley, CA

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Everything is a Process and Proggression

We start with small Heli and work our way to bigger ones. Same goes for our flying skills. We start with the basics and progress. Each person's capabilities may be different but their level of control is dictated by their personal preference, desire & commitment.

It's seldom I meet anyone that flies a small Heli forever, never wants to fly inverted or doesn't get envious when a newbie can progress into 3D so quickly.

Within a flight .. there are many elements
- pattern
- circuits
- stunts
- loops
- rolls
- auto's

Can be broken into these two groups
- Big Air
- Smack 3D

Pro's don't necessarily do more or complicated maneuvers, they do string the maneuvers together seamlessly and faster.

The key is controlling your Heli. Once you understand how to control, than you will know what you need to do. Than you will develope the confidence to do more than what you feel you are limited to (at the moment). It's all about mindset and learning to do it chronologically right.

It's ironic most that fly Sport can not do 3D and most that do smack can not do circuits in both directions. Its understandable if you understand the LOGIC behind it. People will learn what they were interested in the beginning. Once they can fly, they do what they know b/c it's too much work to learn more. Short term pleasure & instant gratification vs lots of work but long term rewards. I feel unless you can do both, than u can state preference otherwise maybe it's a bias opinion.

It's like a debate. Neither knows about the other side (maybe just enough to comment) They are just talking about what they believe in. We need to make eloquent arguement.

For me, it's neither 3D or Sport or Big Air ... it's a little bit of everything to have depth and being multi-dimensional (Hence 3D) which will lead to greater Personal Satisfaction and Enjoyment of the Hobby. For all those more into it, the 4th dimension is TIME. That that is all it take to be good.

We all can do 3D. Now if all you desire is scale flight and honestly don't want to progress b/c you are not interested (not b/c you feel you can not learn anymore). I admire your level of DISCIPLINE.

- Scott

01-09-2017 07:34 PM
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zonker

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Murray, UT USA

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+1

01-09-2017 08:32 PM
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doorman

rrProfessor

Sherwood, Arkansas

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+1

Scale and sport flying here also...
I appreciate the talent 3D takes, but it's not for me
Stan
Couple from the good old days!!!

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01-09-2017 09:46 PM
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birdflipper

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costaricaheli

+1

R/C is like the mob ..once your in , your NOT gettin out !

01-10-2017 12:36 AM
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wifeorheli

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For the new guys DON'T do what I did if your wanting get to do 3d. Instead of learning get basic orientation skills nose in ect.... down first. I skipped a bunch just wanting get to smash it around. I'm very good at smashing it around but I have issues with things that are basic like perfect nose hovering still not a pro at yet I can tic toc inverted reverse hurricanes ect.... and don't forget autos... not quite as important now with electrics as nitro a can shut down for no reason. I just wish I would a slowed it down as I would be way farther ahead.

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01-10-2017 12:58 AM
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epryor

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Grandview mo,

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Scale and Sport flying for me, I don't like playing with crashing I hate rebuilding.

Batman - Scale it up

01-12-2017 12:29 PM
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LaDon

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Fort Dodge .Ia

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I like it all. I think a person needs to appreciate it all as each style is awesome in its own way.

Limiting it you miss out on some aspects of flying

Team Jr

01-12-2017 01:13 PM
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Heli Fanatix

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If we are crashing than we are not proficient in flying.

If you can do Sport & 3D .... than you are qualified to give a PERFERENCE otherwise it's just a bias opinion.

Correct La Don, we need to appreciate all aspect of flying other wise it would be mundane. All smack with no coordination and straight circles throughout the flight would make any on looker loose excitement.

just like your portfolio gentlemen.... DIVERSIFY!!!! it's the SPICE of LIFE.

- Scott

01-12-2017 06:49 PM
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MartyH

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I'm over the idea of 3D. I was working on the basics for a bit but never had the time to pursue it properly and soon lost the interest besides. I didn't feel like chasing the hardware upgrade train or what it takes for the really fast response that's available today with going flybarless, faster servos, higher voltage, less latency radio, etc. Probably more than anything I got started down the path of very infrequent crashes and found I don't enjoy resetting up a long flying machine so I tend to take it easy on the equipment. I'm happy to fly around, loop, roll and a little inverted....and taking the machine home for another day. I'm 54 now and have limited time and other interests as well.

01-12-2017 07:48 PM
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HeliOCD

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San Diego, CA

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I am not great in the 3d department (thats what she said) I mostly fly big.
I know if i practiced i would do ok, but i like FFF more for some reason. Maybe i need a plank......... Ahhhh just kidding!

Its all earth!

01-12-2017 07:55 PM
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Heli Fanatix

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Hey MartyH

I'm over the idea of 3D. I was working on the basics for a bit but never had the time to pursue it properly and soon lost the interest besides.
- it's dark side of this hobby few can foresee in this hobby from beginning
- good news is once you learn, the dividends will be greater satisfaction in the hobby

I didn't feel like chasing the hardware upgrade train or what it takes for the really fast response that's available today with going flybarless, faster servos, higher voltage, less latency radio, etc.
- I've been able to use Coreless servos
- Futaba S9252 & S9254
- Align DS610M & DS650
- JR DS8717 & DS8900
- I plan on using these servos even tho I have Torq, MKS X8, etc
- TX is the JR 9503 (almost same as 9303)
- Saw no value in telemetry (due the excess items & wiring)
- I know what I need to do what I want to do
- It's not what's BEST but what will WORK BEST for you!
- Don't need the latest components if what you have is WORKING for you

EXAMPLE 1
Why buy a super fast torquey servo just to turn down the agility and up the expo?

Not only are any plastic case servo fast & strong enough for anything up to 690mm blades, but you are spending more, adding weight and not adding more value other than it's pretty to the eye.

Now if you don't mind spending the $$$ and it doesn't bother you, go for it!!!

EXAMPLE 2
Big @ss motors in the in the 4530 or bigger series?

Back in the days, an Align 700MX is more than plenty. The Scorpion 4035 series was a nice upgrade. Now move up to 4530 ... yes, more torque, but do you really need it?
- probably b/c we are banging the sticks
- no collective management
- also b/c we have to haul around heavier servos, bigger esc, BEC and packs (that's another topic).

All the items I used are FB era, during electric revolution and present time. They work even for the most extreme 3D. I research, purchase mid to high end components, trail & error, gather data from 400+ flights a month and you will be surprise with what you really need, can get way with and the things we waste our $$$. IN the end, it's all about KNOWLEDGE, if you APPLY that KNOWLEDGE and MINDSET.

Probably more than anything I got started down the path of very infrequent crashes and found I don't enjoy resetting up a long flying machine so I tend to take it easy on the equipment.
- no one likes to rebuilt
- but there are ways to learn & progress without the pitfalls if done chronically correctly

I'm happy to fly around, loop, roll and a little inverted....and taking the machine home for another day. I'm 54 now and have limited time and other interests as well.
- I've got clients 60 yrs doing 3D
- I've got clients 25 yrs doing all kinds of bad

Some people listen, some don't listen a little or not at ll, others think they know it everything. I get it, people are people. But this is a hobby and it's us against the ground with our expensive machines. There is no one that can you do things a certain way. So people do what they want, when they want and this is where it can lead to "NOT FUN ANYMORE" If you can connect with the right mentor/coach ... your Hobby Experience will EXPLODE EXPONENTIALLY almost overnight

- Scott

01-12-2017 08:52 PM
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iyoy

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Bacolod City, Philippines

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F3C

I do aerobatic, inverted, anything except for banging the sticks and then banging my head for crashing.
I have seen allot of pilots 3d themselves out of the hobby because it was too expensive for them..
Same here. I was a former highly competitive F3A pilot. Then I decided to shift to heli but couldn't quite get the orientation required for hard 3D. I can fly inverted circuits, flips and piros but had my share of crashes. As a safe alternative to 3D, I tried the discipline of F3C. I got to the point where I was actively campaigning at the Hirobo Cup, CAOC, and FAI F3C World Championships. Now I am striving for zero disorientation capability but have a long way to go. Most importantly, I am working on my building and setup skills. Still a long way to go!

My latest build. Still learning everyday.

iyoy

01-12-2017 10:59 PM
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Heli Fanatix

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Iyou,

Great point regarding orientation. I always knew handicap was a bad thing since I was playing basketball my whole life. Even if you don't play the game, just by watching the game .... you can see that if a player dribbles with only one hand or he's only a shooter and can't drive, it's one dimensional.

If you have the discipline and mindset to understand by learning all the orientation will reap huge Dividends later.

Flying is a eye to hand coordination activity. When the eye sees something the brain doesn't recognize, that is the "Freak out moment". How well you handle it is dependant on each pilot. That is why I suggest the Bavarian Bail Out system. Levels out the heli & gains attitude. It's quite simple, implement this in your routine

- Fly High
- Develop a flight plan for your routine
- Make sure you practice what you planned
- Practice using bail-out
- Keep it religious

Routine
- Circuits in both directions
- Everything you do, make sure you can do opposite
- This includes Pirouetting Flips
- Auto in both directions

Some say Bail out is not for me
Some say they don't like to fly high

So to them I say, "Enjoy rebuilding if the cost / frustration doesn't out weight the enjoyment"

Applying these strategies will let you progress in the hobby as well as learning to build. I've known some pro pilots and most are blessed with someone that wrenches for them. But the Paradox to his hobby is you have to be a good Pilot and a Good Builder (unless you got deep pockets).

- Scott

01-13-2017 01:11 AM
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iyoy

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Bacolod City, Philippines

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Bavarian Fly high

This is my intention too. Like mostly everyone else, I also have a limited budget, hence the start with smaller models i.e. 450 flybar and two 500L Dominators. But age is uncooperative and flying high means seeing less and seeing less means more prone to disorientation. So my solution is bigger more expensive stuff. Now I have a 550L and lately, a 700X. Phew!

iyoy

01-13-2017 01:39 AM
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HeliOCD

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Some say they don't like to fly high
Flying high was the best thing i did. Doing so gave me the confidence to try new things, since i only started using a sim later.

Its all earth!

01-13-2017 02:04 AM
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Heli Fanatix

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Fountain Valley, CA

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hmmm... this leads to my next conversion

You can not fly if you can not see. Make a trip to your Optometrist. I suggest a 600 or bigger on heli's
- Flight characteristics are closer
- sometimes it's 623mm & 693mm if you want two machines
- Heli's react differently dependent on size & weight
- When trying to learn, learn with similar platform
- The compensation rates would be advantageous to your learning curve

when flying, learn to look at the heli in whole.
- Disc
- Canopy
- Skids
- Boom
- Neon Orange has a high visual value

Having multiple points to give you many references when flying

- Scott

01-13-2017 02:06 AM
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iyoy

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Bacolod City, Philippines

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Flying High

So today I brought out the old reliable SDX SWM Dominik Haegele Flybar nitro and flew her as high as I could and had a lot of fun!

iyoy

01-13-2017 03:51 AM
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Heli Fanatix

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Awesome!!!!

Now who said getting high was a bad thing?

- Scott

01-13-2017 05:03 AM
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iyoy

Senior Heliman

Bacolod City, Philippines

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Eyes are good for work but not good enough for play

This is the view from my office window

The doctor at work says my eyes are good but when it comes to flying an RC heli, what my eyes see doesn't get to my fifty three year old quick enough to react. That's why I need a big heli. Bring on that 700!

iyoy

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