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dkshema

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Cedar Rapids, IA

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Throttle trim only works when the throttle stick is in the low (down) position with the transmitter in normal flight mode.

It will have no effect at mid or high throttle, or when any of the idle up modes are active.

Elevator trim acts completely different.

What you showed me is correct behavior of both trim tabs.

I was waiting for you to plug the ESC into channel 3, then bring the throttle stick low AND the trim low at the same time.

Is this your first ever helicopter and transmitter, by any chance?

Also - what is plugged into channel 5 such that the brown wire of the plug is on top where all the other wires on top are orange? Is the plug in channel 5 upside down?

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01-10-2017 04:46 AM
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dkshema

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Try this again.

Channel 3 reversed

Set your throttle endpoints to very small numbers (as in your first video). I think you started with 30's. Try 20's this time.

TX on, set high throttle stick.

Plug battery in. ESC will make noise then count out 6 beeps.

Increase high throttle endpoint until ESC makes arming tone. Add two clicks.

Move throttle stick low (this is where things went weird first time as ESC made second arming tone right away). It should have been quiet until you turned the low throttle endpoint up from your 30 setting).

If the ESC remains quiet when you go to low throttle, increase the low endpoint till you get the arming tone, then add 2 more clicks.

At this point, increasing throttle should start the motor spooling up.

Do you have all three motor wires firmly seated in the talon sockets and do the bullet connectors make a firm connection?

Even if you accidentally got into stick programming mode earlier, you shouldn't have messed up any particular important setting that can't be corrected once you get the Phoenix link gadget.

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01-10-2017 05:56 AM
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iyoy

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Bacolod City, Philippines

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Talon 90 Armed Motor Runs

I decided to create a new model in my 14SG. I used 'Airplane' type for simplicity an kept all the functions at default except for throttle servo which I set to REVERSE as instructed by Castle for a Futaba Tx. I set the throttle trim lever T3 to minimum and set throttle stick to full then energized the ESC. All the tones and beeps were correct. I set the throttle stick to full low (idle) position and the beeps/ tones emitted. I then moved the throttle stick forward and motor springs to life!

So with everyone's help, I have established that my motor and esc are good and functional. I now know there is something wrong with my transmitter programming and I will delete the previous model and start again with a new model. I will keep you guys posted. Thanks again!

Here's the video

Watch at YouTube

iyoy

01-10-2017 07:17 AM
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Heli_Splatter

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Silver Spring, MD by way of Sidney, Ne - USA

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The Radio Caused It All

aaaa haaa... I was right.

It is a "trick" that I use when ever things don't seem to be going right. One thing I always do when setting up a new model is to clear the old model.

01-10-2017 12:00 PM
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dkshema

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Cedar Rapids, IA

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Great news.

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01-10-2017 12:33 PM
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ssmith512

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Indianapolis, IN USA

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Why isn't the rotor head spinning when the motor spins?

Steve

01-10-2017 02:09 PM
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ICUR1-2

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most likely the motor is reversed

spending time, paying attention

01-10-2017 02:26 PM
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ssmith512

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most likely the motor is reversed
Ahh. Thanks.

Steve

01-10-2017 02:47 PM
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Heli_Splatter

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During this phase of the setup, I never have the motor engaged into the main gear as he has done. It is a matter of safety. OK, once you have it spinning and in the correct direction, I disengage the motor and disconnect it most of the time. Safety first, last and in between.

01-10-2017 03:46 PM
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wc_wickedclown

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long beach calif

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congrats good job

Insha Allah

01-10-2017 03:51 PM
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iyoy

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Bacolod City, Philippines

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Safety

To those who are concerned about my not disengaging the motor, my apologies. I was getting so frustrated that I took a shortcut by just removing the main blades and tail rotor blades. The benefit of which was, aside from saving some time and trouble, realizing that the direction of the motor was reversed. That's why the main rotor didn't spin. After taking the video, I just swapped two of the motors wires and I got the correct motor direction.

I then created a new model in the transmitter and proceeded with the Microbeast PLUS setup from scratch. I just finished so I will go to bed and see if I can get her to fly in the morning.

I will post results tomorrow. Again, a big thanks to everyone for your support!

iyoy

01-10-2017 04:33 PM
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dkshema

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Cedar Rapids, IA

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The motor is turning the wrong direction and the one-way autorotation clutch in the drive train disconnects the motor from the head and tail.

You can wait for your Phoenix link gadget to arrive and use your PC to fix the motor direction or you can swap ANY TWO of the three motor connections to the ESC.

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01-10-2017 06:01 PM
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ICUR1-2

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In future just disconnect one of the motor wires it will operate at less than half power but enough to hear the beaps

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01-10-2017 06:58 PM
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Heli_Splatter

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Silver Spring, MD by way of Sidney, Ne - USA

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Don't ever run a three phase motor on two phases. You might get away with for a very short time, but it can/will burn up the motor.

Don't ever do this.
Running backwards in this application will not hurt a thing.

01-11-2017 12:01 AM
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ICUR1-2

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You might get away with for a very short time, but it can/will burn up the motor.
That's the idea it is only done while checking the motor on the bench or doing set-up with the built bec when an external battery isn't available NOT for flying

It is a recommended practice when safety is paramount

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01-11-2017 12:06 AM
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iyoy

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Bacolod City, Philippines

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Wire routing, electronics installation, antenna wires

Before I go fly her, can you please eyeball my electronics installation, wire routing and antenna wires? I don't feel creative enough and would appreciate suggestions for a better solution than what I've come up with. For the antenna I used two sided tape over silicone fuel pipe. The wires are secured by plastic zip ties. The receiver with adhesive backed velcro.

Thanks again!

iyoy

01-11-2017 12:33 AM
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ICUR1-2

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looks good, apparently futaba likes there wires at 90* to each other. I don't see a problem with it as long as the signal gets through.

I suggest strapping down the rx with a velcro strap or using double sided tape and either running a bead of hot glue across the top of wire connectors to the rx and fbl unit or use a piece of tape to secure them in place.

go over your set-up in the morning with a fresh mind and check to see if you missed something.

you should be able to turn on the tx and plug in the flight battery with out any glitches / hic cups. check the swash plate to be sure it is correcting in the proper direction same for the tail.

I usually do the first run up to half throttle with out blades and look for anything not normal such as vibrations or weird sounds like grinding noises or high pitch squeals.

move those wires away from the motor

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01-11-2017 12:55 AM
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ssmith512

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Indianapolis, IN USA

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Microbeast looks like it is skewed a bit. It's axis needs to be parallel with the heli's longitudinal axis.

Steve

01-11-2017 01:11 AM
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jtv62161

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Oakdale Pa / Quaker city Ohio / Bradenton FL

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talon 90

well done glad its working now go flying

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01-11-2017 02:10 AM
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Civerad

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Cincinnati, OH, USA

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Failsafe

Don't forget to set the failsafe on the radio since you reversed the throttle.

John D.
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