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Hi, this is my first post to RR And also just started getting into EC heli's (lack of funds till now), anyway a long time ago I had seen the heliworkz 3dmp style frame but was unable to buy one at the time as by time I found out about it the site was down and no more made.
Since that time I bought a regular align trex 450xl, but always keeping an eye out for the heliworkz frame (i.e. eBay, etc), but was thrilled when I found one recently (I always thought the frame as a beautiful design ever since I saw the original one from Jan henseleit),
Anyway I don't know where else to try,
I have basically 2 main questions and a few minor ones.
1) on the frame (will upload pictures), I don't see any canopy mounts, which also leads into my second question,
2) where can I get a canopy for it (or anybody know of a place that makes custom canopies, basically a 450 sized 3dmp canopy), most places that I have been digging up are now non-existent.
I know this is a (very old frame but I'm determined to eventually get this in the air),
Like I said I will be posting some pictures soon in the hopes that someone out there has some experience or could hopefully point me in the right direction
I also don't know what version I have and maybe the pictures will help

Basically I really need help with the canopy and the mounting of said canopy
Also if anyone has a copy of the instructions printed/digital or knows where I can go to learn more would be greatly appreciated more than you know
Basically any info you have (i.e. tips, what to watch out for/be aware of) or any links I should go to
Thank you for your time,
Sincerely Richard Alimonda

12-12-2016 06:24 PM
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HilliHeli

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I found a sale ad for one on fleaBay here ;
http://www.ebay.com/itm/trex-450-rc...s-/272429061987

There are some pic.'s to help identify the model you are after.

These are based-off the Blade CP platform (300 Class size) ;
http://www.cnchelicopter.com/cnc-300-helicopter/

!Antriebe, die bewegen!
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12-13-2016 01:39 AM
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Hi, HilliHeli that is the one I bought lol
I had seen it (the frame) originally in RC Heli magazine (not published anymore, had a subscription), but by time I saw it the site was down and wasn't taking any more orders, (i had seen the Three Dee MP before and loved the design of the frame and was ecstatic that one had been made for the TRex),
I want to thank you so much for taking the time to provid the links
Right now I'm trying to track down as many images I can (I know several versions where made as far as I could find out), I'm even willing to either learn and attempt to make my own canopy but for the life of me I cannot find where a canopy bolt should go (it came without any and no holes for one),
I'm not home yet but will upload photos of the frame (still assembled), and hope someone with more experience could either point out something I may be missing or have any suggestions for where one should be (I don't want to start drilling holes indiscriminately or in the wrong place)

12-13-2016 04:27 PM
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Sounds like a good oppertunity to dabble in some vacuum forming!

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12-13-2016 04:57 PM
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Sorry for the multitude of photos just wanted to make sure I got everything in basically for problem number one is where should the canopy bolt into?
I did see in some other images of this frame (same company heliworkz but in blue CF there were 2 screws by the boom one for the boom and the other for the canopy, I don't know which version that one was or even which version I have, I feel like I'm on a treasure hunt for any info which is fine I'm incredibly happy to have gotten one in one piece, been waiting almost ten years when this popped up out of the blue.
I do want to thank everyone who has replied and helped this noob, really wish now I had easier access to a computer back than but I'm incredibly happy to have found and be a part of this wonderful and knowledgeable community, thank you all

12-13-2016 05:01 PM
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Hi, BFD I never thought of that
So far my plan was to trace and measure all parts (when I disassembled them), onto graph paper and then into a CAD program (I had been wanting to dabble in that and I guess it's time for me to learn lol), and then either find someone or find a way for me to fabricate (I'm hoping I can put all the CF pieces on one sheet of CF in the same thickness and cut it out like a jigsaw), ditto w/ the servo tower, maybe see if I can tweak it a little (maybe seeing if I can make it use a wider range of servos)
Trying to look in every nook and cranny has given me a few ideas to toy around with going by the trial and error and features of those who have flown/tried this frame.
Vacuum Forming
CAD
Mold Making
I see I'm gonna be very busy while I wait for spring to come back lol

12-14-2016 01:08 AM
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Hi, HilliHeli that is the one I bought lol
Ahhh, OK, Cool.
I did do a little more research trying to find some more info (which I sent to you via PM) but I haven't really seen a good, clear pic. of the Canopy that goes with your HW 3dmp frame-set

For some reason though I want to say that the Canopies were similar to the Henseleit 3D MP models and that the Canopy-posts were located near the rear Boom-block.

Maybe these pic.'s of my Henseleit TDR-1 Canopy and mounting posts position will help somewhat (?) ;

Here are a few pic.'s from a Flyin' Buddy's Henseleit 3D MP-e ;

I can tell you that the Canopies (in both cases) are in 2 pieces, a LH and a RH side and then epoxied together.

Unfortunately I did read a few posts from way-back in 2006 / 2007 that verified that HeliWorkz had gone out-of-business but I know that there are still guys that Absolutely love these Mini frame-type set-ups.

Best of Luck

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12-14-2016 05:10 AM
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Thank you so much for the pictures
HH. I think you're right about the canopy bolting by the boom block, I found a couple of photos of the heliworkz frame (I'm going to see if I can upload them)


I know several versions where made (I believe it went to v3),
I have no idea which version I have
(Aside from color), I see where the canopy bolts are on the blue one but have no idea why it's "missing" from the black version I have, I do have a couple of pics of another blue one with the same "missing" canopy bolt
I've been toying with the idea of using boom screw as double duty, somehow attach the bolts there, (open to suggestions on how), idk if it's in the pictures I've uploaded so far but if you flip it upside down the (boom) brace and 2 others by the servo tower have 2 holes drilled into them (I'll take a couple of pics and post them soon), I'm not sure if I can (might get in the way of the belt.
I have a few ideas about the canopy I'd like to run by but have to post rest later
Again thank you HH for the pics (still drooling lol, you have a beautiful bird),
and thank you so much for your help

12-15-2016 02:07 AM
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I know several versions where made (I believe it went to v3),
I have no idea which version I have
I believe that yours is a V1 type frame, I say this because of all the links I followed I only see the actual 3dmp type lower chassis for the V1.
I did see more pic.'s of the V3 (and a few of what looked to be the V2) but these no longer have the extended lower frame section that has the rounded look at the very-front.

I liked the pic.'s you have posted of the blue-framed model, this shows that the Canopies were more like my Flyin' Buddy's 3D MP-e than the TDR-1.
I'm not sure if I can (might get in the way of the belt.
I have a few ideas about the canopy I'd like to run by but have to post rest later
You will definitely need to consider these type things "before" doing any drilling.
Again thank you HH for the pics (still drooling lol, you have a beautiful bird),
and thank you so much for your help
No-problem, I was hoping that maybe the pic.'s could possibly help with you having to design a Canopy yourself (with CAD).
I think the pic.'s you have of the Canopy with the blue-framed model would be best (if you're going to "pull" measurements from a pic. ).

I hope that someday you get the chance to own (or at least Fly) one-of the Henseleit models, they are extremely-smooth

!Antriebe, die bewegen!
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12-17-2016 12:41 AM
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Thanks so much HilliHeli, I would love to fly the real Three Dee MP, I had (and wow this was awhile back), but I first came across the 3DMP in a U.K. EC heli magazine and was so impressed with the layout especially the servo tower, I remember the article mentioning something about using Volz servos (don't remember exactly if was built w/ them in mind kinda like Heliworkz & the Hitech servos), but I digress, I have a couple of ideas on securing the canopy that I wanted to run by you (I'll post that and some others since I have to take a few more pics to show what I mean), I have pretty much decided on where I'm going to mount it (boom block area), I have 3 main ideas rattling around
I was toying with was the possibility (or feasiblity), of using 2 small magnets to attach but the more I think about it and especially since it's a small heli I'm unsure that it won't effect the electronics
And yes your so right about any drilling done (I think I might not have to at least on the frame itself if I can help it),
Another thought (followed by pics later), was to replace one of the screws in the boom mount with a long set screw that I can thread into the mount and leave enough sticking out to thread a canopy bolt on (I'm more inclined to thinking that this might be a good option),
For the canopy you kind of read my mind I was thinking of using the 3D's canopy as the base design
The only problem I have (and a little embarrassed about it), is I don't really know how to go about getting the dimensions and "shrinking" it down
ANY help with this would be very very much appreciated (the best idea I had was to get a spare canopy of of eBay, actually just saw one not to long ago, and then work my way down so to speak lol),
Thank you so much again

12-18-2016 03:19 PM
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I was toying with was the possibility (or feasiblity), of using 2 small magnets to attach but the more I think about it and especially since it's a small heli I'm unsure that it won't effect the electronics
I have seen the rare-earth magnets used on the Mikado Logo canopies but not for securing to the frame itself.
These do not do anything to the electronics.
Another thought (followed by pics later), was to replace one of the screws in the boom mount with a long set screw that I can thread into the mount and leave enough sticking out to thread a canopy bolt on (I'm more inclined to thinking that this might be a good option),
This (or something similar) would be my suggestion.
You may be able to find an actual canopy-post for another Heli-application that will work.
If you need to use the threaded-rod type set-up to get a good measurement that makes sense to me.
You may want to consider a Canopy-post that allows for a pin or clip to be used (see my TDR-1 pic.) OR,
Possibly RC Booya (http://www.rcbooya.com) has something that will work once you have that measurement ;
http://www.rcbooya.com/align-450-series.html
(the best idea I had was to get a spare canopy of of eBay, actually just saw one not to long ago, and then work my way down so to speak lol),
This would be best case and least amount of trouble BUT,
if this doesn't work out send me a PM and I'll try to get you at least started with some info.

!Antriebe, die bewegen!
Jazz', Jives & vbar's
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