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Heli_Splatter

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Silver Spring, MD by way of Sidney, Ne - USA

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All I can say is that I came off the sim flying helicopters like I knew what I was doing. The crash and fix method did not work for me. I had a hard time getting help and I blame that on myself for I am not easy to work with.

When I was finally given a flyable aircraft, I knew what to do with it. Yes there were adjustments, but I was easily able to compensate. I would not be flying helicopters today if it were not for Real Flight.

In my opinion, a sim is far better to learn on than flying at the field.

10-06-2016 09:39 PM
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RM3

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Killeen, Texas - USA

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no doubt, but it only gets you the foundation level... when I first started I had Aerofly Pro... I sucked and so did the sim. BUT It did teach me what I was doing wrong and how to correct for it. but getting that to translate to the field was hard... I feared crashing, and that fear didnt allow me to learn as fast as I could. The first thing I learned to do on the sim that I couldnt do at the field were funnels.... the sim taught me that all I really had to do was control the heli while in front of me during its 0 to 180 degree cycle... then basically hold the sticks steady during the 180 to 360 degree cycle, after that make a correction.

Once I figured that out, at the field I "freeze" during that "dumb thumb" cycle... after a few more dozen tries, the freezing cycle got smaller and smaller until it went away and I learned to control the heli towards me and away from me.
All I can say is that I came off the sim flying helicopters like I knew what I was doing.
and thats the problem... it gets to a point that you gotta get away from the computer and go for it.

I even go as far as talking to myself while flying when trying something new to remember what worked on the sim... but the sim never made my flying better...it made my ability to try better (if that makes sense)

the sim to me is like reading the instructions but never quite memorizing them... practicing at the field is like instinct.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

10-06-2016 10:31 PM
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Heli_Splatter

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It is obvious that we disagree. Too bad you are wrong.

10-07-2016 01:10 AM
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R.J.

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It is obvious that we disagree. Too bad you are wrong.
LOL! You are both right.

10-07-2016 02:53 AM
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Slowpoke

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Preordered from Tower....

wait wait wait.....

10-07-2016 05:58 AM
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don s

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I think the point is that a $100 sim and a $10000 sim will both only carry you so far. If you're interested in actually flying a real toy helicopter, you have to step back from the sim at some point and go outside.

E820, Raptor G4N, X50F/E, E620, Forza 450, and some planks.

10-07-2016 03:11 PM
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Richardmid1

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You can make the simulator harder than flying for real. In Phoenix I used to decrease the power, increase the models weight, speed the simulation up, run a flybarred head instead of FBL, reduce blade inertia to make autos harder and add wind and wind gusts! Was a piece of cake flying the real thing then!

If course it all depends if your flying it like a computer game for a bit of fun or using it as an actual learning tool.

60% of the time, it works every time!

10-07-2016 03:18 PM
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ssmith512

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Indianapolis, IN USA

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but the sim never made my flying better...it made my ability to try better (if that makes sense)
Makes perfect sense and is exactly how I would describe my sim-to-life transitioning experience as well.

Steve

10-07-2016 03:28 PM
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Steve Graham

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The sim has hands down made me a better pilot. I would never have gotten anywhere near the level of proficiency I've achieved without it. The fact that there are challenges taking skills mastered in the sim to the field in no way minimizes the value of the sim in helping to develop new skills.

One problem I'm having with RF-X is I'm hearing they did away with the online functionality which I'm still trying to verify. If true this is very disappointing as the sim is an extremely powerful tool for training others. I also feel like the sim is good enough that I don't really need anything more.

Some of my preferences come from the fact that I sim primarily as a means to increasing my proficiency when I go to the field. I enjoy it well enough but probably wouldn't use it at all if it wasn't practice for the real thing. I turn the sound off, except for voice coms as i listen to music when I fly. I also simplify the background graphics and smoke in order to increase the frame rate and keep the focus on the model.

As always YMMV. For some I do think the sim becomes the hobby. For me it's a training tool. Like any tool it's value depends largely upon the wisdom applied to its use.

10-08-2016 05:50 AM
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Slowpoke

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I only use the sim for learning new manuvers also. Just using to fly around is extremely boring to me, like being on stationary bike. About 10 minutes is all i can handle. But it has helped me in learning orientation.

10-08-2016 06:07 AM
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KevinB

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Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada

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I too use RF as a training tool. I figure out and then practice the new maneuvers I'm trying to learn on the sim first. When I have them to the point of being comfortable and repeatable on the sim, I take it to the field and try it up higher first....gradually bringing it down.

All of my more advanced skills I learned on RF first.

KevinB

10-08-2016 03:04 PM
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wjvail

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Meridian, Mississippi

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All right. Time has passed and RF-X has shipped.

Anyone using it? Any thoughts? What hardware are you using? Is it an improvement? Are the graphics or physics better? Should I upgrade from RF 7.5?

Bill

"Well, Nothing bad can happen now."

11-03-2016 03:22 PM
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Heli_Splatter

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I think that you should be reading the Knife Edge forums for more information on upgrading. It takes a powerful computer and graphics card to run this program. The min specs are no joke.

Most will need to upgrade in order to run this program successfully.

As to the lack of ability to fly together on-line, it is not in the current stack of features. They have not given a clear opinion on when the feature may return. You cannot currently edit the aircraft like you can with 7.5. This should change within the next two weeks if the separate editor passes beta testing.

RF-X is a brand new start on top of a brand new graphics engine. It is going to take a while to get the feature rich program we are used to.

I am told that the graphics are stunning with an appropriate computer system.

11-03-2016 03:36 PM
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wjvail

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Yes, I think I was the one that posted the computer requirements back on Oct 2nd.

I've surfed through the "Computer Simulators - RealFlight" Forum. There is one very slow thread there referencing RF-X. I thought I try this thread.

Again, now that it is shipping, anyone actually using the the sim? Early returns are not good. I'm not sure I will spend the time and money just yet. I was hoping to hear a success story.

Bill

"Well, Nothing bad can happen now."

11-04-2016 10:12 AM
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wc_wickedclown

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long beach calif

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i flew a sim before i even dared thinking about flying a real one.

after about a week i was ready to hover

Watch at YouTube

Insha Allah

11-04-2016 08:15 PM
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Slowpoke

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I've had X for about a week now, and I am very disappointed with it. I have the hardware to run it properly, but in my opinion, the graphics are worse than 7.5, I don't think the flight physics are really any better, and there are only 7 helis, and only 3 of them are flybarless.

Maybe the airplane and drone sections have some features, but for a heli learning simulator, I'm not impressed.

11-04-2016 09:56 PM
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helifanatix

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Fountain Valley, CA

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Sadly the "Latest isn't always the greatest"

I've used Real Flight 6.0 with the Heli Mega pack with the elite controller since 2012.
- learn all the level in the Pilot's Proficiency Program and than some
- didn't tweak a thing
- a tid bit hard than real life
- so in real life, it would be easier
- all physic very close to Real Life (if you choose the right model)
- all on a Lenovo 2005 PC that costed me $205
- I've tried over 6-7 different SIM across numerous platforms

Thanks for Beta Testing for us Slowpoke.

- Scott

11-04-2016 11:00 PM
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HeliOCD

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San Diego, CA

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Let you in on a little secret.. neXt Sim... Shhhhhhh, ok?

Its all earth!

11-06-2016 07:06 PM
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Heli_Splatter

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Silver Spring, MD by way of Sidney, Ne - USA

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Why are they even importing the old Flybar helicopters into RF-X?

11-07-2016 12:53 AM
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wc_wickedclown

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Watch at YouTube

Insha Allah

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