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JuanRodriguez

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Mr. Buzz buzz buzzz wrote:
don't forget what the Predator Gasser did for the Gasser Heli hobby
Please enlighten us .......

Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....

10-11-2016 12:03 AM
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Brokenlink

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What did the predator do to the hobby?

Experience is a hard teacher,because she gives the test first,then the lesson afterwards

10-11-2016 01:45 AM
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it was the first acrobatic Gasser to have Eccpm, that pushed other brands to do the same, yet it took (as I remember) 4 more years before another brand released a Eccpm acrobatic Gasser

Jim
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10-11-2016 03:09 AM
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Brokenlink, if you want more parts you should PM "Cruzroy" over on HF, he may sell you his Predator Gasser

Jim
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10-11-2016 03:13 AM
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kogibankole

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the predator gave the gasser a very bad name because their design isnt robust for the task which lead to a lot of wasted time

if im not blade bogging youll find me pack puffing

10-16-2016 02:55 AM
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turboomni

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the predator gave the gasser a very bad name because their design isnt robust for the task which lead to a lot of wasted time
Overall I would agree with the whole Century lineup. They are dead for a very good reason and never will be resurrected. Too many burned bridges.

Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly far better than I can pilot them

10-16-2016 03:55 AM
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Oh looky-looky the old turbOTroll has left his overhang to troll on an out of state bridge, I'm sure it's BS as usual so let's thank God (Mark Ryder) for the ignore list

let's give the ol troll some history of his own brand to read about

but first, the thing I don't get about the company that bought MA, is, if I was German (or not), I surly would not use the MA brand name to build helis, I would use my own name, now if using the MA brand name was contracted within the sale of MA I would have seen that as a bad deal and not bought the designs, after all I could design/build a better Heli if I had a few CNCs, for that mater, any one could if they really wanted to

now for the history lesson, read carefully

"" For those watching closely, the seeds of this untimely demise were sown a decade ago.

In the old days of MA, the chief competition in the marketplace came from GMP, Schluter, Hirobo, and a few others. When MA first started, they had more or less two kits, the X-Cell 50 and the 60, and that was all. Stores had parts, and it was relatively easy to secure a kit when you wanted one. Over the next 5-7 years, MA added multiple new kits to the product line, arguably too many. When this happened, the ability to get a given kit when you wanted it fell away, and most dealers at most had a few examples of the product line. The company lacked the liquid cash to be able to do runs of multiple kits and to get them packed and shipped. The customer had to backorder what they wanted. BAD mistake number one. When guys want a model, they do not want to wait months to get it. It's OK for a boutique models like a TDR because guys know the deal there going in, but it is a nonstarter for a mainstream model mfg. The inability to delivery product in volume became that much worse as Align's popularity grew, and the customer could get any kit they wanted on demand from a multitude of dealers. Surely the low cost of the imported parts was a player in Align's growth, but market penetrance and distribution were what really did it for them.

The issues with parts count with MA models were legendary. Especially in the days of the X-Cell SE's and Pro's, the company had an amazing ability to make what could have easily been a one piece assembly instead be comprised of three pieces. This drove up kit cost, repair cost, and build time. Even as the situation improved in later designs, that reputaation persisted at a cost to sales.

Those of us who flew for MA in the old days used to make a joke about when a product would ship. Answer: "two weeks". It was funny to a point, but it ceased to be amusing to guys who waited for 6 months for a new release having been told "two weeks" for months on end. You cannot do this in today's market. When a product is announced, you better be able to ship within a few months or guys WILL NOT wait on you. MA's top two pilots flew a protoype Bandit for a solid year publically while MA told the public constantly changing relases dates that ultimately ended up never happening at all. During this time, no one wanted any current MA 90 sized model because they were waiting on the Bandit. Most eventually just gave up and bought another brand. Flying a prototype publically this way for so long with no hope of getting it to work and then ship was absolutely, postively mindbogglingly stupid. Even up to the time of the Whiplash, there were months and months sometimes between planned release dates and when product actually shipped.

Ongoing sales: in the early days of MA, everyone wanted a kit when they first came out, AND the subsequent demand for kits supported the company on an ongoing basis. Starting with the era of the first Ion's forward (almost a dead relase after the first run of kits because batteries were not yet affordable for the masses @ $800/set), MA never succeeded in generating an ongoing demand for product. At the time of a new kit release, all the MA fans got their model, and everything quickly sold out. When restocking occurred, that product would sit and sit and sit on dealer shelves. I think Ron Lund still has a Fury Extreme that has been there for god knows how long. At the time when Brian was with MA, I recall him telling me that during his tenure, there was only a brief period when the Fury 55 released that the company EVER ran in the black. I would hazard a guess that they have not been in the black since then. You cannot survive doing that but for so long.

The next thing that crippled MA was runs of less than optimum engineering.

The Status looked good or paper and to build, but the reality is that you cannot backplate mount a 3.5 hp engine to a piece of carbon and think that things are no going to move around in flight.

There were issues with bolts breaking with certain brands of engines,

The rotor system would not deliver desired cyclic range to keep up with new flying demands, so they tried using step up bellcranks on a non closed loop control system. That helped the throw problem but assured servo geartrains got beaten to hell in short order.

The small diameter tail boom was never quite stiff enough, so the answer was to come out with an Ultra boom that was not only expensive as hell but hard to source. There were some attempts to improve these situations, but you can't put lipstick on a pig.

The Whiplash series had well known and documented issues with the primary driveline and the tail rotor drive system. The novel concept of the auto bearing on power plant looked good on paper, and that is where it stopped being good.

As Darrick noted, these issues were never totally addressed

, even on the EX (which, BTW, was hideously debuted at IRCHA 2013 by sticking that poor model on a tripod in the travel lane at the west end of the field with a few flying with basically no one there to mind the store or answer customer questions about anything). The company was in a bad position of having model with major issues that could not be fixed without what would have effectively been a complete redesign.

Over the past 1.5 years or so, they lost the vast majority of their best team pilots over these issues

. These things are noticed at the local field and at events, and it does hurt sales.""
isnt robust for the task
LOL a little more history, funny how in 2003 Little Rotors proclaimed the Predator 90 to be the best 3D air frame that they ever flew>>> quote>>> " I have flown many on the current 3D machines that are out on the market and I cannot name one that 3Ds better than the Predator"
and if you read enough Little Rotors also says the Predator is also a competitive F3C machine,
http://www.littlerotors.com/article...31003/index.asp

edit, in the end, unlike MA Century left the Heli hobby to sell a different product

PS, now where's Willis

Jim
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10-17-2016 06:39 PM
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ICUR1-2

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and WTF does MA have anything to do with Century

spending time, paying attention

10-17-2016 09:59 PM
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RM3

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wondering that myself... maybe he is still upset about his $60...

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

10-17-2016 11:37 PM
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turboomni

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What ever he said I'm sure it was entertaining.
Hello Gearhead

Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly far better than I can pilot them

10-18-2016 12:03 AM
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edited

and WTF does MA have anything to do with Century
ICUR1-2,, you think maybe I should post all that on the MA page even tho I don't fly MA ??

it figures easy, he shouldn't complain about a brand he doesn't own when he has his own brand to complain about

Jim
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10-18-2016 05:21 AM
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maybe he is still upset about his $60
that too

Jim
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10-18-2016 05:22 AM
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kogibankole

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its done

century is done, we have beat it to death its already dead lets let it go

if im not blade bogging youll find me pack puffing

10-18-2016 07:03 AM
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ICUR1-2

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ICUR1-2,, you think maybe I should post all that on the MA page even tho I don't fly MA ??
it figures easy, he shouldn't complain about a brand he doesn't own when he has his own brand to complain about
Sounds childish to me
Fly what you like even if others don't like the model.

spending time, paying attention

10-18-2016 12:27 PM
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rbort

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So here is a good question

it figures easy, he shouldn't complain about a brand he doesn't own when he has his own brand to complain about
Based on your statement, why are you complaining about a brand you don't even own? And really its not you, that poor Dr. Ben, you've dragged his name through the mud with this several times already, its that same post over and over.

Anyway, go fly a kite eh?

-=>Raja.

MA 1005 Hanson 280, 4038 flights
Raptor 90 Hanson 300, 267 flights
Spectra-G G270 3DMax, 3109 flights
Whiplash-G G270 3DMax, 1270 flights

10-18-2016 04:14 PM
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ppridday

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When all the parts have truly dried up and I have nowhere to go to keep my Predator running I will be sad. However, the worst part will be missing out on all the grown men on a forum whining like little schoolgirls.

P

"There's someone in my head, but it's not me..."

10-18-2016 04:50 PM
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JuanRodriguez

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^^^

What he said !

What I'll miss most is that mr buzz buzz, the #1 cheerleader, won't be able to parade around with his pom pom's anymore !!

Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....

10-18-2016 06:22 PM
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When all the parts have truly dried up and I have nowhere to go to keep my Predator running I will be sad. However, the worst part will be missing out on all the grown men on a forum whining like little schoolgirls.
I see you are another who has always been well pleased with your Predator. Like so many others I know, it proved itself to be a very reliable, trouble free, enduring design that flew very well.

I am looking forward to "modernizing" one of mine by setting it up with their all metal FBL head and a Skookum FBL controller and powering it with the HWC29E tuned engine - should be a real GAS.

Phil

10-18-2016 08:13 PM
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cage the trolls I say

Raja, it's not on Dr Ben, he told the truth and you don't like it, so don't turn things around making it about him, it's about the years and years of childish trolling, and that all it's about, too bad you can't see that !!!
Sounds childish to me
funny you use that word, cause what's childish is the years of childish trolling

yeeaa, MA didn't stand behind the warranty on their box and it cost me $60, you don't see me crying on the MA forum about it, I let it go,

also, the Wild Hare sent me two (2) damaged planes and suckered me out of the shipping on one, you don't see me childishly crying about it on RCU

people want the arguing to stop, cage the trolls I say

Jim
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10-18-2016 10:12 PM
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turboomni

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Wow he sure is typing away with alot of posts. Busy guy!

Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly far better than I can pilot them

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