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MartyH

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I'm way ahead of myself with concern we might some day not be able to get glow fuel any more, however, is anyone here currently brewing their own and if so, can you share your formula(s)?

09-26-2016 08:18 PM
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Slowpoke

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My friends in Sweden use 20% nitro, 20% oil, 60% methanol.

A lot of them use Klotz HeliGlow for the oil

09-26-2016 08:35 PM
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ticedoff8

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What are you planning for? The Apocalypse?

It is too expensive to brew your own.

Klotz used to have a 5 gal can of synthetic 2 cycle Helicopter oil. But it is not on their web site anymore.
Use the standard formula of 20% oil and yo can add nitro as you see fit (or, no nitro is fine too)

Get a 55 gal barrel of alcohol and two 5 gal can of good quality oil. That would get you running.
Add two more 5 gal cans of nitro and you have 20% nitro.

I've never done it.
But, I did enough research on it to know that I will just keep buying cases of heli fuel rather than make it myself.

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09-26-2016 10:18 PM
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MartyH

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I thought I clearly prefaced the question by saying, "we might some day not be able to get glow fuel."

I agree there is no reason to make my own as long as it can be purchased. It was popular in this area years ago to blend your own. Our club use to mix it up for members to purchase. I'm sure some people are still doing it and I'm curious what the current components are, especially the oil.

09-27-2016 01:39 AM
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payne1967

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I am led to beleave that one fuel supplier uses a blend of oils to alter the timing of the fuel detonation so it won't be a case of just add X amount of oil to get the same performance as off the shelf mixed fuels

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09-27-2016 09:12 PM
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flysti06

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there are actually a lot of people that make their own fuel...

09-28-2016 05:51 AM
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Slowpoke

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some places in Europe nitro is a lot more expensive than here in the States.

09-28-2016 06:37 AM
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"I am led to beleave that one fuel supplier uses a blend of oils to alter the timing of the fuel detonation"

I am willing to believe that you were led to believe that - marketing.

09-28-2016 07:23 AM
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MartyH

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"I am led to beleave that one fuel supplier uses a blend of oils to alter the timing of the fuel detonation"

I am willing to believe that you were led to believe that - marketing.
That is very funny and likely very true.

I have discovered that Klotz makes an oil called KL-198 that is popular in R/C and one called Heli-Glow (KL-189), specifically designed for R/C Helicopters. There would be no reason for someone to become amateur chemist and start mixing these packages together to try to outdo an expert oil company like Klotz. From all the reading I've done since I posted the original question, it seems to me it's going to be as simple as mixing methanol with Klotz Heli-Glow oil and nitromethane to create my own glow fuel for heli use. Following Wildcat's claim of 18% full synthetic oil content I'd mix 18% Heli-Glow, 15% nitromethane and 67% methanol. Now, with that said, it would not make economic sense here in Indiana in the U.S. as long as commercial glow fuel is still available and at this time, it is. It's nice to know there is an alternative if we can still get the components down the road if glow continues to lose market share to gas and electric. Without trying too hard I found the components and it prices out to $22/gallon buying oil 4 gallons at a time, nitro 5 gallons at a time and methanol by the 54 gallon drum.

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payne1967

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those that found it funny
the MD of the fuel company who uses synthetic oil
was asked the question of why they had a number of different
30% heli fuels

he went on to say that depending on the gear ratio, head speed of the machine, the engine make and what exhaust you were using
one single blend didn't fit all and that differing viscosities of oil are used and mixed together to alter the fuels performance/timing
and to try each blend to get the best performance from your machine
he even said not to buy box's of fuel to start with but buy a single gallon and only once you've got the right fuel to buy any quantity

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Four Stroker

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Now viscosity is another issue. Blending oils to get a different viscosity is legit. I find that CY 30% is too viscous, CP 30% leaves scum in my engines and Rotor Rage is just right.

09-29-2016 01:02 AM
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54 gallon drum
if this helps, you can buy methanol in 30 gallon quantities

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09-29-2016 04:11 AM
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MartyH

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if this helps, you can buy methanol in 30 gallon quantities
. It might. Where can I find that? I can buy VP Fuels M1 methanol in coated 54 gallon drums and pick it up.

09-29-2016 02:24 PM
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were to buy ??
, well there must be a place near by you that sells chemicals,, we have a Pool shop here that sells chemicals that stock's the 30 gallon jugs, some may use a pail tho

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09-29-2016 09:18 PM
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I check the pricing once, but that was some 8 years ago, it was $4.20 a gallon then, ($126.00) plus tax

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09-29-2016 09:26 PM
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edited

you got to look around to get the best price, but if it needs to shipped the price really comes up,, therefore you really need to buy it as a walk-in,,,, I would think if you looked around good you could get it cheaper than $68 for 5 gallons

$85 for 5 gallons = $17 a gallon
http://www.dudadiesel.com/search.php?query=methanol

this place gets $68 for 5 gallons = $13.60 a gallon
http://www.pemro.com/Results.cfm?category=METHANOL

keep in mind that there are different grades of methanol

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09-29-2016 09:47 PM
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here,, $32 for 5 Gallon = $6.40 a gallon

http://www.motorsportsracingfuels.n...p?categoryID=48

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09-29-2016 10:05 PM
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the only 1 gallon container of nitro I found is $40 a gallon,,, 1 gallon mixed to 5 gallons Meth would make 25.6% Nitro (less oil)

so,
(5 gallons Meth) $32
(1 gallon Nitro) $40
32+ 40= $72 divided by 5= $14.40 a gallon (less oil)

http://www.klotzwarehouse.com/index.php?productID=8836

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09-29-2016 10:20 PM
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MartyH

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....and keep in mind the whole reason I brought this topic up was as an alternative to a day when commercially available glow fuel might be gone or so severely reduced that it might not be available in the area. For me at least, it is not an attempt to save money. I'm an hour and 45 minutes from Wildcat Fuels. As long as they continue to make fuel and have their IRCHA or Toledo specials, there's no way I'd consider mixing my own fuel. It makes me feel a little more comfortable though to continue to play with and spend money on my glow powered everything knowing the components are currently available to make my own if need be. It's the same way with ammo. I got into reloading and then lead casting because every time I turn on the TV some politition is trying to ban one thing or another. Reloading and casting is an entire hobby that hundreds or people enjoy that you wouldn't have even heard of unless you were involved. It gives target shooters like me, an alternative should the day come we can't by factory ammo. Same thing here. Mixing your own glow fuel sounds ridiculous to some people, to me, it's an alternative and I know people successfully do it.

09-30-2016 11:00 AM
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wjvail

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I mix my own fuel. I mix most people's fuel around here. I have for over 25 years.

My motivation is simple and speaks to the OP question - There are no hobby shops within 100 miles of where I live and having driven 100 miles, there is no guaranty the shop will have what I want.

I would add (in a note of arrogance) most people prefer my fuel to commercially blended fuel. Ironically, the fact that I mix fuel makes it all the harder for the regional hobby shops to stock and sell fuel.

"Well, Nothing bad can happen now."

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