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Junjun

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I'm not distorting anything. Never said I had a problem with disagreeing with someone,debate is good. If y'all can't see that both parties have dropped down to mean ugly talk about the other, I'm sorry for given you too much credit, thought everyone could see it

09-29-2016 01:04 AM
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outhouse

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A single big bang creating earth and us the first time is absurd.
Ok how and when was the universe born??

Obviously suns do not last forever so there was a start to our universe and OUR galaxy and OUR solar system and OUR sun.
But if space and time is infinite and infinite universes have been created by infinite numbers of big bangs over infinite time then it would only be a matter of time before a universe was created like ours in one of an infinite numbers of big bangs that create universes.
There may be more universes then our own. We are limited by distance in learning what may exist outside our universe.

Our space is not infinite.

Our universe was created by a singularity, and the universe is full of singularities.
Space is infinite, the idea space is a ball in the middle of a nothing is absurd and there has never been any measurable curvature of space observed which means either it is so big that curvature is not measurable by us, or it is infinite in size.
Stop calling science you are ignorant to absurd, this addresses your lack of intellect, and your ramblings have nothing to do with the universe or its origins.

Are you a religious nutter?
The idea there was a time when there was no time and nothing existed before time is absurd.
Define nothing.

No scientist claims before our universe nothing existed.
But with infinite space we have infinite time.
WE have neither.

OUE space and tine is 13.799 B years old with such a high degree of certainty it is said to be fact.

09-29-2016 01:15 AM
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outhouse

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I'm not distorting anything. Never said I had a problem with disagreeing with someone,debate is good. If y'all can't see that both parties have dropped down to mean ugly talk about the other, I'm sorry for given you too much credit, thought everyone could see it
Well what you end up with is some religious nutter refuse science and make the most idiotic statements based on faith and ignorance.

Then you have the ignorant who do not accept scientific findings because they don't have a clue what they really say about nature.

When someone with a little knowledge comes in and tells a stupid nutjob that 2 + 2 does not equal 37 because a religious book says so, they deserve to be humiliated for their blatant willful ignorance.

Many religious people can add 2 + 2 and get 4 for their answer, and it ticks me off that BAD theist make good theist look dumb.

09-29-2016 01:18 AM
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outhouse

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To have an EFFECT, there MUST be a CAUSE.
Who created your particular god out of thousands ancient men made?

There must be a cause, you just said it was required

09-29-2016 01:20 AM
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IF nothing created everything it is a violation
of the laws of contradiction.
That's right, there is no such thing as a nothing which means there was never no time before time and there was never a nothing before space existed because both are infinite.

09-29-2016 02:15 AM
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Ok how and when was the universe born??
There may be more universes then our own. We are limited by distance in learning what may exist outside our universe.
Our space is not infinite.
Our universe was created by a singularity, and the universe is full of singularities.
Suggesting our known Universe is the only Universe that exists in space is absurd.
Stop calling science you are ignorant to absurd, this addresses your lack of intellect, and your ramblings have nothing to do with the universe or its origins.
Are you a religious nutter?
If the best you can do is attack me personally then you have clearly demonstrated you are the only nutter.

You fail with the same paradoxes used by those who believe in God.
You suggest the impossible is possible and that space and time and God were all created at one point and nothing existed before that, its complete nonsense and you basing your theory on the same paradoxes used to substantiate religion is laughable.
OUE space and tine is 13.799 B years old with such a high degree of certainty it is said to be fact.
We can only know when our observable Universe was created, no all space.
And as I stated what scientist do know is that the space we can observe has no measurable curvature.
If space is limited it must have some curvature but none has been measured and not for lack of trying.

09-29-2016 02:28 AM
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dilberteinstein

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2low

If you disagree with a liberal you are hateful ,lol.
And racist...don't forget racist.

90% of life is "showing up"

09-29-2016 03:05 AM
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outhouse

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That's right, there is no such thing as a nothing which means there was never no time before time and there was never a nothing before space existed because both are infinite.
Idiocy or ignorance take your pick or even add both of it make you feel better.

But we know with certainty far more then you imagine.

09-29-2016 03:21 AM
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outhouse

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Suggesting our known Universe is the only Universe that exists in space is absurd.
I never stated such. Absurd? a bit of a dramatic way to say we don't know.

It is possible there are other universes, but at this time we do not know either way. Only one or more then this one.
You suggest the impossible is possible
BS you don't have the intellect to know what is possible.
If the best you can do is attack me personally
Well you are intellectually inept here and quite ignorant on this topic.

Pointing out your errors are like pointing out 2 + 2 = 37 it needs to be addressed for how ignorant it is.
We can only know when our observable Universe was created, no all space.
I never stated differently.

Your fallacy is moving goal post.

And at this time we do not know what exist outside our universe to even call it space. Space as you know it may not exist outside our universe.
If space is limited it must have some curvature .
This shows how ignorant you are on the concept.

Geometry of the universe is a concept that goes beyond curvature and is related to general relativity.

In other words its way over your head. It is obvious by your incoherent reply you possess no knowledge here. Its not my subject either but unlike you I will admit my shortcomings.

09-29-2016 03:33 AM
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Idiocy or ignorance take your pick or even add both of it make you feel better.
But we know with certainty far more then you imagine.
Logically if you need to resort to personal insults in the absence of articulating your point then its is obvious you are not only wrong, you know you are, if you knew you were not you would state why instead of resorting to petty worthless insults.

And by worthless I mean that for me to be insulted by anything you say to me, first I would have to value your opinion, and I do not.

09-29-2016 03:54 PM
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1helimech

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never mind

I dream of a better world, A world where a chicken's crossing a road IS NOT questioned

09-29-2016 04:06 PM
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And at this time we do not know what exist outside our universe to even call it space. Space as you know it may not exist outside our universe.
More illogical nonsense.
Either there is space or there is nothing beyond our know universe and since there is no such thing as nothing there must be space.
Any "thing" that exists has to exist in some space.

As to why you struggle with the concept of infinite and continue to use logic that is almost religious in belief is a joke.
You use the same flawed belief that our universe is the only one, created out of nothing, like god, just appeared out of thin air and created one universe, its the same nonsense.

And your claim that what lies beyond what we can observe cant possibly be just more space, is no better then flat earth theory.

09-29-2016 04:07 PM
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Geometry of the universe is a concept that goes beyond curvature and is related to general relativity.
Throwing up Einstein's theory of relativity doesn't mean squat.
Why on earth do you think scientist have continue to attempt to measure the curvature of space if it can all be explained away by Einstein's theory.
Because they were bored and had nothing better to do ?

09-29-2016 04:14 PM
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outhouse

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And your claim that what lies beyond what we can observe cant possibly be just more space
Your a liar. Plain and simple desperate to protect your fragile ego.

I never stated that.

09-29-2016 04:22 PM
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outhouse

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Throwing up Einstein's theory of relativity doesn't mean squat.
Not to people uneducated on the topic.

Like or not we do not know with certainty.

This leaves the possibility for a finite or infinite universe.

It leaves it open for flat or curved, and many models are being looked at, but not one is "the" model for shape.

09-29-2016 04:25 PM
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outhouse

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Either there is space or there is nothing beyond our know universe
Define nothing and define space.

Then define how you can be so certain to know what exist where no man knows for sure, yet you have limited it to two concepts with nothing but foolish certainty.

Your methodology is no different then a fish guessing about space by observing earths atmosphere when he jumps out of the water for a brief moment.

09-29-2016 04:29 PM
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Your a liar. Plain and simple desperate to protect your fragile ego.
I never stated that.
You said it here liar.
And at this time we do not know what exist outside our universe to even call it space. Space as you know it may not exist outside our universe.
Clearly you are suggesting there is not space outside of our known Universe, its crap.
Of course there is space and suggesting there isn't is stupid flat earth theory.

09-30-2016 12:40 AM
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Define nothing and define space.
Then define how you can be so certain to know what exist where no man knows for sure, yet you have limited it to two concepts with nothing but foolish certainty.
Your methodology is no different then a fish guessing about space by observing earths atmosphere when he jumps out of the water for a brief moment.
You have already stated that what is outside our knows Universe is a matter of fact and that's just bull****.
Its not a fact nor a certainty for the simple reason we have never observed it so you are simply guessing yourself, and instead of assuming any logical position you revert to nonsense, flat earth logic and the absurd notions our universe is the only one which is no better then religion.

Its as stupid as multiverse theory that proposes multiple identical universes.
Anyone with half a brain would realise that simply defies the fundamentals of evolution.
Instead of assuming that the creation of a universes would follow the same basis of evolution that everything else does.
If everything else follows the fundamentals of evolution then it would be more sensible to assume that so does the creation of universes and on that basis none could be identical.

To suggest otherwise is just contrarian for the purpose of appearing intelligent but is anything but.

09-30-2016 12:45 AM
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outhouse

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You said it here
You have no comprehensive ability. You are a liar twisting my words.

My quote does not match your lie
Clearly you are suggesting there is not space outside of our known Universe,
I suggested no such thing.

I stated we do not know what exist outside our universe, we do not have a clue and only a clown would say he knows with certainty

09-30-2016 01:21 AM
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cant possibly be just more space
Your Lie above.

I said
we do not know what exist outside our universe

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