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Noobyflyer

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Clutch, flywheel and throw out bearing replacement is the cost of admission. The replacement of wearable parts like this is also an honest barometer of whether or not you're doing it right. If you can rev match and double clutch, you will go twice as long as a beginner or someone that has cultivated bad manual shifting habits before clutch replacement. And let's not forget the obligatory engine rev with a quick clutch-in on a manny. It's a douche bag move to rev an auto or shall I say a "paddle shifted AUTOMATIC" by popping it in neutral.

The only reason manufacturers are trying to eliminate manuals and convince us paddle shifting automatics are better is because it is harder to find someone to buy the damn car. They want to consildate the buyer market into automatic transmissions that are outsourced and mass produced. Less options are always cheaper. Fewer people are taught and understand the true art of driving these days.

Hell with a paddle, give me the stick!

Long live the manual!!!

And as for the argument that paddle shifting is not an automatic, I say BS! The computer gear mapping program always does what it wants to do to save the car if you get to close to red line or down shift at the wrong moment....taking control right out of your hands. You never really had control, you just have been convinced you do to buy the AUTOMATIC.

09-09-2016 01:15 AM
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RM3

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Killeen, Texas - USA

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paddle shifting = driver suggested gear change

if the computer determines that your desire to shift up or down is ok, the ECU with do that for you... otherwise like you stated, the ECU has the final say so about what gear the car should be in.... its also a sequential gear box... must go in sequence and no skipping...

my manual...I can go from 1st directly to 4th... or drop it from 6th back to 4th for "aggressive" car passing... cant do that with paddle shifters...

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

09-09-2016 01:55 AM
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jharkin

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Holliston, MA - USA

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not anymore... its now just a matter of scale and proliferation of the technology

Watch at YouTube

I fully expect our cars and the transmissions (if they exist in the future) to be built this way too.
Ok, Ill admit I'm impressed. The machine you see in the video is a selective laser sintering machine, its used to 3D print in metals by aiming a laser at a bed of metal powder and fusing it together. In the past the resultant parts where never as strong as what you could get when casting or milling from solid bar stock but I guess they are getting close now.

I was curious if they really printed that entire engine- if you read through the comments it looks like everything except the bearings and fasteners where printed but certain parts like the rotor did need finish machining. The comments also said that the engine was only capable of 33k rpm and not self sustaining.

But its still a huge step.

I still dont expect that in the future everything we buy will be made this way. A huge downside of even the best 3D printing processes is that that are faaaar to slow and expensive to build parts in large scale production volumes. It will probably stay in the realm of specialty and prototype parts for a long time. (With injection molding machines for example you can make plastic parts in seconds that would take hours on a printers.)

-Jeremy
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09-09-2016 12:08 PM
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jharkin

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I don't know if any of you guys read the auto mags but the columnists at R&T and C/D have been writing about this for a while (and I'm sure many of the others have also)

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...al-transmisson/

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...sions-are-dead/

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...l-transmission/

http://blog.caranddriver.com/porsch...ng-as-possible/
(Porsche seems to be bucking the trend, but there is an interesting statistic in there that only 15% of 911's are built with a clutch pedal)

-Jeremy
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T-Rex 450 fbl conversion
alot of planks

09-09-2016 12:26 PM
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GyroFreak

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Orlando Florida ...28.49N 81.22W

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said that the engine was only capable of 33k rpm and not self sustaining.
And the video did not say if it developed any usable thrust, but it certainly is a step forward.

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

09-09-2016 05:02 PM
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Machinehead01

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Didn't mention this earlier, but...

Sadly a lot of the choice of transmissions by the auto manufacturers is also generated by the dynamic of the people currently driving as well. Not a lot of rocket scientists out on the road behind the wheel I'm afraid. A truly smart driver is focused on the task at hand, namely piloting their 3000 lbs. plus ride at speeds way beyond capable of doing great damage, but many others behind the wheel still aren't focused,or even go so far as to act so nonchalant about it, that they make you wonder why or how they got behind the wheel in the 1st place. For those of us who do drive a stick shift(03 Subaru WRX) we know right off the bat that it takes much more focus to juggle what is going on, then an automatic ever would. The main problem with the automatic is that it has given drivers with much less experience the opportunity to drive way sooner then perhaps they were ready for. We ourselves have felt the impact of something being made much to easy for the general public(drones, quads) and we now reap the judgment for those around us that are less discerning. The stick shift car is definitely for those of us that are a more focused and discerning driver. Automatics simply tell you the direction society is heading, with the KISS principle at it's finest. Keep It Simple, Stupid, because the world is dumber then you know and getting worse as we speak.

Tom

"You judge according to the flesh; I am not judging anyone."

09-10-2016 11:48 PM
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RM3

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i'll say this though...the more they take away from the driver probably the better given the way things are going with the level of responsibility and skill of your average driver. The day self driving cars come out and are reliable... at least we dont have to deal with "stupid" drivers anymore...

actually Driving a car will be relegated to special places and events... like pistol and rifle ranges are for firearms.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

09-11-2016 12:36 AM
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heliVoY

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However fun a gated stick is, with the newer F1 style paddle-shift transmissions (not the paddle shift automatics) there is just no comparison in regards to performance. Being able to keep both hands on the wheel in a turn while shifting at 8k+ RPM is a whole new ball game with an automated sequential transmission. This is the main reason most sports cars these days don't even offer a gated stick option. With that said, I miss driving a gated stick .. it would just have to be on the right car.

Voy

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