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flybarless conversion

here is the response I received from HRP:

Unfortunately, Thunder Tiger has informed us that this item has been discontinued. We will not be able to get this item any longer.

I checked the sales history, and it has been quite some time since that item was sold to a dealer in the U.S., so it is very unlikely that you will find one. I also checked TT Europe, and there are none available there either.

if it doesn't fit, make it fit.

09-06-2016 10:49 PM
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Heliman

canton ohio usa

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Ron Lund does not have any.

Does anyone know if any of the Trex heads would work?

if it doesn't fit, make it fit.

09-06-2016 10:54 PM
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Dr.Ben

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Richmond, VA, USA

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A first gen non DFC TR600 FBL head could work like the E5 head I suggested. And as before, you'll need to get the right fit between the washout links and the inner ring of your swashplate.

Ben Minor

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09-06-2016 11:05 PM
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jackp332

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Claremont, Nh USA

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I have converted 2 of mine and they both fly very well with the TTR3926 thundertiger conversion head and the Spektrum AR7200BX. I was fortunate enough to find one FBL head new in the box on ebay a few years back and a used one about a year ago. However, I must agree that if I were to consider this now, it would be smarter and more economical to go with a nice used fbl airframe on runryder here. The Raptor flys well but is a tank compared to my Thundertiger X50. Also there are many other modern airframes where parts will be more readily available and can be had in the $200 range used if you watch the classifieds. If you are absolutely in love with your raptor (like I was) then by all means go for it man. I think you will not be dissapointed with the results as they fly great. However, I think in time you will see the money could have been better spent on an upgraded machine just as I have. Good luck!

09-07-2016 12:07 AM
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Heliman

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besides the X50, are there any other used airframes you would consider?

if it doesn't fit, make it fit.

09-07-2016 08:39 PM
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jackp332

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Absolutely- I'm no expert but I'm sure others can give you the pros and cons of each along with other models. The Trex600 is hard to beat and parts support is great. The TSA Infusion 600 is also a very nice affordable machine- I think you may be able to pick up a brand new one around $350?... The Synergy N5c is a beautiful quality machine with good support but may cost you a little more on the second hand market. Just a few thoughts but by no means the only options.

09-08-2016 12:38 AM
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don s

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Chesapeake, VA

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I assume OP is using a 30 class engine. Consider that when recommending airframes.

E820, Raptor G4N, X50F/E, E620, Forza 450, and some planks.

09-08-2016 01:24 AM
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gologo

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Sedalia, Mo USA

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Jack, that is still a great, clean looking machine, nothing shabby there!

Dang TT anyway, the company I mean!

09-08-2016 03:23 AM
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Heliman

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actually, if I buy a new machine and d emphasize my raptors, I'll definitely go electric. I like the 550 to 600 size.

if it doesn't fit, make it fit.

09-08-2016 03:39 AM
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don s

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Chesapeake, VA

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I would go with Align. Even the corner 7/11 carries Align parts.

E820, Raptor G4N, X50F/E, E620, Forza 450, and some planks.

09-08-2016 03:51 AM
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jhartsock3

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Greenwood, IN

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I converted two a few years back. Can't rember specifics on what I changed to make them work. I do know I used the stock swash with each one. One I used an outrage head, other an align efl head older style. I would look at align heads now. Non dfc. Both did require a little moding. But can't rember the specifics.

09-08-2016 04:22 AM
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Andy from Sandy

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Bedfordshire, UK

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There is a general problem with converting the Raptor and it also affects other models.

With a flybar the only slop that has any real affect is that between the flybar and rotor grips. With FBL the slop goes all the way from the servo to the head.

With the Raptor the collective cradle is driven on one side and is prone to distort as it is now doing more work. I did find a metal cradle and it showed an improvement. I used the RJX 50 size head and the supplied links work out fine.

At the time I was using a new to market FBL unit so some of my problems may not exist now with more mature products.

09-08-2016 07:14 PM
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McCrasher

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Ventura, Ca, USA

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I have a TT FBL conversion kit at home. Let me look for it. If I can find it, and its the right one, we can make a deal.

Mike

09-08-2016 07:57 PM
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Dee Flies 3D

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Farmington Hls, Mich - USA

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As another alternative, you can just lock the Flybar Seesaw mount, and leave the Mixer arms attached as in the Stock Setup.


This is my Titan SE, that I did this way, and subsituted X-50 mix arms. Been flying like this for about 6-7 years, NO issues.
Micro Beast controller.
Works very well, and uses the Stock Servos, as the loads are thru the mixer arm ratio.

09-09-2016 05:06 PM
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AirWolfRC

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The use of mixer arms is good in that it gives a mechanical advantage to help keep the forces down on the pushrods, swash plate and servos. Helps those parts last longer.

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Andy from Sandy

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I can only see a mechanical advantage if the link lengths are different about the axis otherwise looking at the picture where the lengths look very similar I can see how there can be.

Could you explain your reasoning please?

The flybar paddles is what I thought gave the system the advantage reducing the load on the servos

09-09-2016 05:40 PM
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AirWolfRC

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Look closer, the link pivot point is NOT on the shaft center line.
The link arm lengths are different by about 2:1
Those links appear to be early Raptor 30/50 BK0006

09-09-2016 06:49 PM
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Heliman

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Hey Dee, I always wondered if that would work, I thought it should, but sometimes things that should work don't. lol What did you use to pin the seesaw?

if it doesn't fit, make it fit.

09-09-2016 11:02 PM
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Dee Flies 3D

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Farmington Hls, Mich - USA

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The bolt thru the head button is run thru the see-saw, then tapped into the end of a 10mm alum shaft. This shaft is 'scalloped' a bit to fit the bottom of the see-saw, and pilots snugly into the hole the mainshaft mounts in head block- above where the pivot for feathering shaft is. Just left the support bearings as-is @ top of head block. Mix-arm ratio is 2.2 to 1.

09-10-2016 12:14 AM
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dialarotor

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Traverse City, Michigan

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USE the fbl head from E550

Buy one of these
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Thunder-Tig...a0AAOSwgQ9VibQg

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Thunder-Tig...a0AAOSwgQ9VibQg

Try the head on your R50 v1, if it works great, order another one. If not you have a nice electric to fly or sell,
been flying the 2blade and 3blade for 2 solid years and no problems.
Still current and in the TT line of helis.

RapRex Pilot

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