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Maverick1977

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Hello!

I have bought a second hand Hirobo Freya EX III with the SSZ IV or SSZ V head (I do not know it exactly; maybe it's a Freya EX II?):

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/en9ouk8o...ktZOFUzFSa?dl=0

I'm very interested in Hirobo helis (glow powered). Does anybody know the several versions of the Eagle and the Freya of the past? There are a lot of different machines and I have lost overview. Overview about Eagle/Freya machines and heads.

The latest model (I guess) was the Freya VPUS 2010 with the SSZ V. The predecessor was the Freya 3 SWM AOCC. Am I right? And before???

It would be great if we find an exact order like this:

Model 1: name and head
Model 2: name and head
Model 3: name and head
Model 4: name and head
Model X: name and head

Thank you for your help!

Christoph

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petiteway

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I have a lot of details from the last 10 years Hirobo catelog and saved online information, Hirobo changed the website completely but I have saved most of their stuff locally.

Here is just a list for Freya, Eagle3 is another story.

Freya:
0414-900 Freya 60-70 FFZ-II head
0404-996 Freya 70-91 OP with SSZ-II head
0414-908 Freya 90 Super with SSR-IV
0404-999 Freya X Spec 60-91 with SSZ-II head
0414-916 Freya R/F Twister 80-91
0404-977 Freya 90 EX with SSR-V
0404-988 Freya 90 EX-WC with SSR-VI
0414-917 Freya 90 SuperII with SSR-VII
0414-922 Freya 90 EX II with SSR-VII
0414-926 Freya 90 Evo with FFZ-III head
0414-931 Freya 90 Evo OP with SSZ-III head
0414-928 Freya 90 Evo OPII with SSZ-IV
0414-929 Freya 90 Evo Super III with SSR-VIII head
0414-940 Freya 90 Evo EXIII with SSR-VIII head
0414-943 Freya 90 Evo OP with SSZ-V head
0414-944 Freya 90 Evo EX SWM with SSZ-V head
0414-948 Freya 90 Evo OP SWM with SSZ-V for GT-15HZ
0414-946 Freya 90 Evo D3 SWM with SSL head

09-07-2016 10:33 AM
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Maverick1977

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Hello Petiteway!

Thank you so much for your help! I have stored your list in Evernote.

Do you also know the history of the Eagle? The latest models are the Hirobo SST Eagle VPUS and the SST Eagle SWM AOCC, both with SSZ V. That is all I know.

Kind regards!

Chris

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PaulBowen

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Great list. Wish I had one!

Eagle 3 VPUS would be my choice.

I'm a Hirobo, JR, flybar, nitro and all things helicopter fanatic!

09-07-2016 10:06 PM
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BillK

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Hi, just an FYI, the Eagle 3 VPUS is P/N 0414-915 and it has an SSR-VII head. Bill

09-07-2016 11:36 PM
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petiteway

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Eagle:

Really old ones before 1997:
0404-936 SST-Eagle 60 with SSR-II
0404-937 SST-Eagle 60 with SSR-II with belt drive
0404-957/958 Eagle2 with SSR-IV, 958 is belt drive
0404-959/960 Eagle2 EX with SSR-IV 960 is belt drive
xxxx-xxx Eagle2 /EX 98 spec with SSR-V
xxxx-xxx Eagle2 GS with SSR-IV

Newer ones after 1999, all 90 size:
0414-915 Eagle3 WC VPUS with SSR-VII, shaft drive, 2003, I have this heli with E-conversion, very nice.
0414-930 Eagle3 WC VPUS with SSR-VII, belt drive, 2004
0414-935 Eagle3 WC SWM with SSR-VII, belt drive, 2005
0414-937 Eagle3 WC SWM with SSR-VII, black carbon, belt drive, 2006 AOCC
0414-941 Eagle3 AOCC SWM with SSZ-V, belt drive, 2008
0414-945 Eagle3 VPUS with SSZ-V, belt drive, prepared for 2009 WC
0307-902 Eagle3 AOCC SWM with SSZ-V EP, belt drive, 2010 AOCC
0307-903 Eagle3 WC EP SWM with SSL-II, belt drive, 2013 WC

BTW, I have missed 0414-948 Freya Evo OP SWM with SSZ-V for GT-15HZ yesterday.

I have partlist or manual in pdf version for almost all the Freay and Eagle models, so if you want them I can drop them somewhere, too big for email.

I am currently flying Sceadu Evo, SDX, Eagle3 WC VPUS and LeptonEX, all are electric or coverted to electric, realy love Hirobo helis, so high quality!

09-08-2016 08:36 AM
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PaulBowen

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Great lists.

I really love my Turbulence D3v2. Its awesome.

Petiteway we should catch up for a fly one day!

I'm a Hirobo, JR, flybar, nitro and all things helicopter fanatic!

09-08-2016 10:27 AM
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Maverick1977

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Hi!

Thank you so much! Your list is really great!

I am interested in the "0414-945 Eagle3 VPUS with SSZ-V, belt drive, prepared for 2009 WC".

1.) Do you know, if it is possible to build the machine with shaft drive? Are there special option parts available?

2.) Do you have the manual of this machine?

3.) What is the difference between yours "0414-915 Eagle3 WC VPUS with SSR-VII shaft drive, 2003" and the VPUS 0414-945? Only the shaft drive and the head?

3.) Do you know what "AOCC" stands for?

09-08-2016 10:47 AM
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petiteway

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AOCC stands for Asia Oceanic Continental Championship

The shaft drive used on original E3 WC VPUS can be adopted on any E3, just buy the parts based on manual, but it costs too much compares to belt drive, all the parts are available from RCJapan.

Yes I have pdf manual of that model, I can send to you with E3 WC VPUS parts list so you can order parts to convert it to shaft drive

My E3 WC VPUS is shaft drive, smooth like silk but just don't crash

The difference between 915 and 945 are:
SSR7 vs SSZ5
Shaft drive vs belt
Freya tail system vs D3 tail system
Normal metal one way hub vs D3 high torque one way hub
E3 main shaft vs D3 main shaft
Titanium carbon vs normal black carbon frame
E3 metal landing gear vs D3 landing gear
Some nitro parts(I don't fly nitro so I am not sure)
Carbon boom and brace vs alum
All the rest pretty much same.

The original E3 WC is the most costy one, later models used belt drive and alum parts instead of carbon to shave costs

09-08-2016 11:04 AM
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petiteway

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But I don't suggest E3 VPUS with SSZ5, this model has issues with the pitch range due to VPUS is not capable, SSZ5 better to be used with SWM models

09-08-2016 11:15 AM
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petiteway

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Another good thing for Hirobo I want to mention is, Start from E3 WC VPUS model, the first modern E3, to the latest E3, a lot of parts are compatible (does not include E3EP, the E3EP shares the head, tail, boom, one-way hub etc but not main gear and frame), so you can upgrade E3 SWM AOCC to VPUS and shaft drive if you want an 2003 E3 but cannot source the kit, or upgrade your E3 WC 2003 to the 2008 AOCC model vice versa, this happens to other size Hirobo too e,g. Evo to SDX etc.

This is reason why I really love Hirobo, constant quality, parts compatibility and parts durability, the E3 shaft drive could run for 10 years without major maintenance if you don't crash.

To sum up for shaft drive conversion, I think you at least need the E3 WC tail box, it works with D3 tail system anyway, you need the carbon drive shaft with coupling, you need to change the tail drive gear bottom gear to bevel gear, that's it, you can choose to use alum boom instead of carbon one if you want to shave cost, carbon boom also works for belt drive but I like the alum boom because it does not slide back and forth (I am not brave enough to use carbon boom with belt drive because you need to turn the screws on the tail boom mount really hard almost crack the boom to fight with belt tension). Anyways the carbon boom works perfect with shaft drive.

Mate the shaft drive is so smooth, the tail system could drive the entire drive train by breeze of the wind, and very very quite, so lovely.

BTW the titanium carbon frame is no longer available, the black carbon frame is the replacement so if you have a titanium carbon frame, mate don't crash it.

Here is my E3 WC VPUS with E-conversion, titanium frame with SSR-VII and shaft drive, everything original:

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payne1967

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I will second the hirobo parts quality
my non-evo sceadu is still flying well on the original kit parts
it has had the normal crash parts replace
this isn't bad for an old machine

member of save the flybar foundation

09-08-2016 09:20 PM
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Maverick1977

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carbon boom also works for belt drive but I like the alum boom because it does not slide back and forth (I am not brave enough to use carbon boom with belt drive because you need to turn the screws on the tail boom mount really hard almost crack the boom to fight with belt tension).
Look at here, this is the solution:

http://www.hirobo-online.de/communi...-sicherung.html

You also can use:

http://www.world-of-heli.de/heli-er...ontagesatz.html

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The VPUS has the problem with the limited pitch range. Do you think it is better with the SSZ 7 or 8 head? Besides: Do you know the difference between 7 and 8?

09-09-2016 05:47 AM
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petiteway

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Yes I knew that solution, but did not try so don't have first hand experience. The carbon boom is not really needed for belt drive anyways because you don't need the very very stiff boom for belt drive and the carbon boom is very expensive. The Alum one is more durable.

There is no SSZ7 or SSZ8, it's SSR7 and SSR8, the flybar cage is on top of the yoke.

SSR8 vs SSR7
SSR8 has longer pitch arm, 31.5mm vs 29.5mm
SSR8 has different mixing arm, which is from SSZ-III, hole position changed
SSR8 has stiffed center hub, stronger.

The above change makes SSR8 more stable during hover in the wind, but not losing the acrobatic ability from SSR7

VPUS suits SSR head better than SSZ head

All in all, talking about head:
SSZ-II is the metal version of FFZ-II, developed with Freya, metal head used on OP version

SSZ-III is the metal version of FFZ-III, developed with Fraya Evo, metal head used on OP version

SSZ-IV is the 3D head, developed with D3, used on Freya OP2 as well to make a cheaper D3 alternative, there is no plastic version

SSZ-V is the 3C head, developed for E3 after the succes of SSZ-IV

SSR-4/5/6 are developed with Freya EX first gen and Freya Super first gen

Freya EXII and Super2 start to use SSR-7 as same as E3 WC

SSR-8 has been used on Freya EXIII and Super3 but not on E3 because by the time SSZ-V has been developed so later E3 used SSZ-V as a flagship F3C machine

The later Freya OP and EX all use SSZ-V and intend to be a cheaper trainning machine compares to E3

SSZ-V is around better than SSR-7 or 8

There also FZ and SZ heads for 50 size, and SZM head for 500 size, that will be another article

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If only more people appreciated flybar helicopters with natural well designed good manners. It's not hard the make a flybarless helicopter fly well.

Japanese flybar rotor heads are pictures of beauty. The ultimate example of form and function!

I'm a Hirobo, JR, flybar, nitro and all things helicopter fanatic!

09-09-2016 09:33 AM
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petiteway

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The difference of different head can be another article. The are state of arts.

I personally own

700size: SSR7,SSR8,SSZ4,SSZ5,SSL,SSL2

600size:
FZ3,FZ4,SZ4(SDG),FZ5,SZ5,SL

500size:
SZM

09-09-2016 09:54 AM
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PaulBowen

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That's pretty extensive!

I'm a Hirobo, JR, flybar, nitro and all things helicopter fanatic!

09-09-2016 11:14 AM
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petiteway

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Hi Paul

Actually, it's not really.

Thanks to Hirobo parts compatibility, to transform one head to another sometimes just need a few parts, I have all the mention heads but I don't own all of them.

I have SSR7 on my E3 and 3 parts required to transform it to SSR8 so I can enjoy both head and try and keep the one I like.

Same story for SSZ4/SSZ5, I own SSZ4 and some parts to transform it to SSZ5.

I have FZ5 blade grips etc for the SDX, and to upgrade FZ5 to SZ5 you actually needs some parts from SSZ4, yes the SZ5 and SSZ4 has shared some parts so I can mount SSZ4+SZ5 parts on SDX to have a SZ5.

so I own maybe half number of the heads I mentioned but I can always transfer the parts around because I normally just keep one 700 size and one 600 size airworthy at the same time.

09-09-2016 11:29 AM
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Maverick1977

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I have heard from two persons that Hirobo will release new models in 2017 at the Toyfair Nuernberg in Germany. Have you heard from that too?

In my opinion they won't release a new nitro and no new flybar head. SSR 8 was the last flybar head from Hirobo. They will invest their effort in flybarless and electric.

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Blue Angel

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Maverick1977: I have a few more Eagles to add to the list. However, I am located in the U.S. so I am not sure if mine were sold worldwide or only here. They are as follows:

xxxx-xxx SST Eagle2-98 Shaft Drive, SSR-4 Rotor Head(Black).
xxxx-xxx SST Eagle2-98 Belt Drive, SSR-4 RH.
xxxx-xxx SST Eagle2-98EX SD, SSR-4 RH.
xxxx-xxx SST Eagle2-98EX BD, SSR-4 RH.
0404-724 SST Eagle2-99WC SD, I believe SSR-5 RH(Blue).
0404-xxx SST Eagle2-99WC BD, I believe SSR-5 RH(Blue).

I personally own and fly the Eagle2-98 SD and the Eag.2-98EX SD. They both fly like all Hirobos (beautiful). I also have in kit form NIB 0404-724, an Eagle2- 99WC SD (carbon fiber). Thanks!

Blue Angel

PS: All kits listed are nitro powered.

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