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Jerry K

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Folks, "IF" 80 million gun owners voted for A+ NRA rated politicians we'd be in a totally different situation. "IF" 80 million gun owners peacefully protested at the capital steps relentlessly there'd be different rulings. "IF" 80 million gun owners would join the NRA we would be unstoppable. Why my friends with all these gun owners and pro 2nd folks does the NRA only have 5 million members? Shame on us. I have heard lame excuse after lame excuse. I know a fellow gun owner who will spend thousands on a rifle scope,but makes up excuses for not sending $35 dollars per year to the nra. His excuse they always solicit for more. We'll folks it's a never ending fight against freedom grabbers.

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09-02-2016 11:08 PM
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RM3

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...well...there is like 250,000 "gun owners" in Chicago (mostly illegal)...

just cause your a gun owner does not automatically make you an informed citizen.

...case in point... look as ISIS, they are literally all "gun owners"... very religious and very passionate about what they do and how they guard their "rights" and very much involved in the system they protect with those guns... In their minds they are right and everybody else is wrong... the guns are merely tools.

What we need is honest, good morals, and a truthfully educated (based on fact), responsive citizenry...

the gun rights were meant by our founding fathers as a means of protecting the citizens from tyranny due to an imperfect system... which could also evolve.

The evolution of our system of government (founded by the Constitution and amended by the bill of rights) which is in itself was meant to be able to change... but only by consent of those governed... but when we cease to care, change happens without the majority of us, and in many cases even against us... and thats were the guns come in...

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

09-02-2016 11:26 PM
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Witch.Duk

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A+ NRA rated politicians
That is exactly why I don't belong to the NRA. The NRA influences far more than just second amendment issues. They've become nothing more than a very powerful political lobbyist.

Politicians should vote based on what their constituents tell them, and their own conscience, not what a lobbyist tells them.

Did you know that the NRA argues that ex-felons should have their gun rights restored, but objects to them having the right to vote? WTF?

IMHO, lobbyists in politics are a bad thing, no matter the cause they are lobbying for or against.

Res ipsa loquitur

09-03-2016 10:14 AM
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Mike0251

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You need to do a little more research. All the search results actually indicate what you state but is not exact position of the NRA. But look who those comments are from...lol.
In 1992 our government removed funding for non violent ex felons wanting to pursue getting their gun rights restored. That in itself is quite a process. It starts with a petition to the ATF for a full investigation of ones self and also required are many character letters of reference. The ATF sends agents out to investigate and meet with the character references and also interview the petitioner. IF the petition is even granted. This is just federal step and where it all begins. Since the funding was removed, it will now cost the non violent ex-felon close to $10,000 to have this investigation done. A certain representative, Ken Buck, wanted to get this funding restored and worked with the NRA to do so.

Quote:
"America is a land of second chances. One mistake should not define your future. A law-abiding, 45-year-old dad who made one mistake at 18 should have the choice of how best to protect his family or to take his kids hunting. He should have the chance to make a petition to restore his constitutional right to bear arms. This solution is long overdue," Buck said.
"This bill does not intend in any way, shape, or form to allow a violent criminal to possess a firearm," Buck stressed
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This is what the NRA supports. In no way is there ANY support for violent felons. None, zip, never.

So lets go further. Suppose this person has his rights restored by the ATF? Is he good to go? Not hardly. The next step is the state level and that is different for every state. As an example, in Virginia this person must now petition the governor for a restoration of his civil rights. This includes voting, holding public office, etc. This too is a length process and much leg work and paperwork must be submitted. Requires many letters of references that this person must ask others for in support of his civil rights restoration. It does not include gun rights. Let me say that again, a restoration of your civil rights by the governor does not include your right to possess a firearm!

Ok, say said person is granted their civil rights back from the governor. Wow, he's made it this far, certainly should be very proud of all his hard work in trying to redeem himself as a whole person back into society huh?

Now it's time to get those gun rights restored in his state. Again, using Virginia as an example. He must now petition his local court for a hearing. He must go out and ask other close friends and and acquaintances if they will go to court and speak about this persons character on their behalf. The court also has to grant the petition before hand too.
Ok, this person got his court date, has their references all lined up to show up in court. He now has to prove to the court that he or she is a standup and trusted person in society. Has many years to prove he or she is an individual worthy of this restoration. Must call their witnesses to the stand and question them about just what kind of person he or she is. Yes, this person is conducting all of this in court, in front of the judge themselves. Scary stuff huh? But damn serious too.
When all is said and done, then the judge will make a decision. If after all the character witnesses, and statements from the person themselves, yes they take the stand too and try to show their worthy, he will either grant to not, their right to once again enjoy their firearm privileges in their state. And if so, will receive a letter from the court and the judge granting this restoration.
Quite a bit to go through, one must be a model citizen again on all fronts. One must be willing to do all this work and submit to quite an investigation, one must be willing to ask others to help him, others that are currently upstanding citizens as well.

What the NRA is doing is trying to help the non violent ex-felon so that might have a chance at the above. I don't think most have $10,000 to even start this process now a days. But this is the current process. So do some research, know what the hell your saying instead of reiterating bs talking points the msm and websites spout.

On a closing note, I wonder how an individual that made a mistake early in life feels after having gone through just the civil rights portion see their current liberal governor just raise his hand and give thousands of felons their civil rights back at the waive of a hand and AGAINST the courts. No investigation necessary, no vetting of any kind.

I know a person that went through the above as I was a character witness. My wife and I are the NRA and gdamn proud of it. It takes money and a strong lobby to fight all the other lobbyists and their twisted agendas. It's all we have left between us and them. You personally going to do something to stop the agenda? I don't think so. But if you support the family, the NRA, then we become many, not just one on the sidelines complaining. Power, for lack of other terms is what continues to be needed. Join up WD, we need you.

09-03-2016 12:57 PM
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rcmiket

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Politicians should vote based on what their constituents tell them, and their own conscience, not what a lobbyist tells them.
When was the last time that happened? They vote for whomever lines their pockets. Even the newly elected ones are quickly corrupted.

Mike

"When Inverted down is up and up is expensive"

09-03-2016 12:57 PM
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Jerry K

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Witch.Duk you shut down Bloomberg AND the others, and I will quit the NRA.

To tell you the truth I had no idea of the process Mike described (excellent post) and this is a classic case of where the talking points we all hear, then find out the devil is in the details.

I support your assumptions about lobbies in theory but in practical application they are here, and here to stay. So when the hildabeast calls the NRA public enemy #1 and wants to shut them down I converted to a life membership, just to counter her actions. That is where all my political spending goes. My political philosophy matches theirs ALMOST. There may be some matters that we differ on, But we are closely aligned.

There are two ways to stop all the mailings the NRA sends out. First of all they have an area on their website to opt-out of mailings, then join for life and they will stop soliciting you for renewal.

For $35 a year anyone that owns a firearm, is money well spent. Witch I am not going to change your mind obviously, but the others may have a chance!!!

Avoid the 'default' settings in life, Fat Dumb and Poor!!!

09-03-2016 02:04 PM
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1helimech

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SOOO, just for "fun" I dawned my NRA hat and wore it on a cross country flight from Pensacola, Fla. with stops in Charlotte NC, Dallas, TX., SanFrancisco,Cali, and North Bend / Coos Bay, Orygun ....The only place I received ANY grief for wearing it was where ???? yup SanFrancisco. A guy got all up in my face and told me my hat sucked and so did the NRA WHICH MADE MY MEMBERSHIP IN THE NRA WORTH EVERY PENNY (ie: priceless). The guy was promptly escorted off by the TSA much to his dismay ...LOL

This is a true story and happened on 30 June, 2016

Good Day

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09-03-2016 04:07 PM
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RM3

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AFAIK (and I am an NRA member)... The NRA is necessary but not all benevolent, they have an agenda to keep themselves going for the purpose of profit... Lets face it... they make money, its an organization whose primary (not sole) purpose is to advocate for gun rights and therefore also gun manufacturers in the process. You cant own/buy a gun unless someone make the darn thing. Yes without them most of us would be too lazy to vet every single politician and hold them each accountable.

but I sometimes think what would happen if lets say some new invention came about that would enable all gun crime to stop tomorrow without giving up our rights... you think the NRA would throw its hands up and say mission accomplished, pack up shop and close it down? I dont think so... too much money to be made keeping the threat alive.

So I guess might as well play on the side that keeps us alive... what other choice do we have besides being slaves to the system.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

09-03-2016 04:29 PM
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1helimech

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OH but contraire Mr. RM.... One can build weapons for oneself most work quit well ...just say'n, They are so simple even a RC heli pilot can build um....

Good day

I dream of a better world, A world where a chicken's crossing a road IS NOT questioned

09-03-2016 04:36 PM
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Jerry K

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too much money to be made keeping the threat alive.
I realize the best day for the gun industry is the day BO or any of the other opens their mouth about gun control

Avoid the 'default' settings in life, Fat Dumb and Poor!!!

09-03-2016 04:45 PM
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Witch.Duk

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If I were the NRA, I wouldn't support restoration of gun or voting rights for felons, period. Why complicate the issue? If anything, make it one of those offenses governors and presidents can issue pardons for.

Anyway, I guess I don't disagree with what the NRA does for the most part, just the way they do it. I realize they just play the game like everyone else. Hate the game, not the player? But I don't like them enough to give them money.

Res ipsa loquitur

09-03-2016 11:06 PM
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outhouse

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well...there is like 250,000 "gun owners" in Chicago (mostly illegal)...
Hoodrats legal???? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Don't Whizz on my leg and tell me its raining

09-03-2016 11:23 PM
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RM3

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I realize they just play the game like everyone else. Hate the game, not the player? But I don't like them enough to give them money.
well thats what the NRA is... they are doing the job we as citizens of this country should be doing, but dont out of laziness, incompetence or indifference... and they make a buck or two doing it.

1Helimech,
yeah... gun can be made... but some rich boob would likey not want to make his own and would pay a poor man that knows how to make one for him... then the rich guy will contract the poor guy to make a bunch more, turn around and sell them for a profit, and be even richer in the process... then when the poor guy figures it out, the rich guy will have him shot for trying to cut him out of the process... then hire a cheap foreigner to make copies, people will forget, and become dependent on the rich guy, get in a fight with him, start a war... soon we have to make a whole New constitution, bill of rights... then find a way to defend those rights and before you know it...

dang, how the hell did we get here...AGAIN?
Don't Whizz on my leg and tell me its raining
i did say mostly illegal...your not being whizzed on you leg... the government is whizzing over our heads and telling us its good for the grass... after all its labeled as "grandmas peach tea"... and 70% of the people in this country are chugging it down with a smile.

create a need, create a business, sustain that need, expand... simple business core foundation...

Did you all know that Washington DC was actually a corporation?... well now you know why we can never fix the problems they create for us.... its all business boys and protected by endless loopholes...

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

09-03-2016 11:27 PM
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1helimech

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Yup, RM, Washington DC is NOT a state of the USA !! If you live there you can't vote either......the District of Columbia is the only jurisdiction in the world -- whose residents of the capital are denied representation in their national legislature...

And RM it's illegal to sell a gun manufactured by me to ANYONE. I would tell the rich guy to go build one himself cuz building a gun yourself is kinda fun and when it shoots and shoots straight it's soooo awesome kinda like flying a model Heli you built and it flies good...but then again, if I need to explain it to someone then they just might not understand...not pointing fingers at anyone... just saying

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09-05-2016 10:25 AM
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rpat

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Hey DUK I take it that you do not belong to the AMA either for the same reasons.............stupid is as stupid does!

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09-05-2016 12:59 PM
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Heli_Splatter

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How can the NRA possibly know how I would want to vote and why would I listen to them? I don't vote a party ticket or any interest group. Hard to believe that anyone would let someone else do their thinking for them.

Convicted felons (violent or non-violent) don't need guns. Too bad, so sad. I could care less about their gun ownership. ONE STRIKE.

I have never personally owned a firearm, but I am about to and I am not joining the NRA. I have handled and used shotguns and rifles all my life. I am now licensed to own a handgun.

09-05-2016 06:03 PM
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Jerry K

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I tell people "Forever is a long time" and my opinion on felons has changed slightly. I felt the same as you but there are some that did something stupid when they were young and now 40 years later(and that is a long time) are still paying the price for it. From what is written above I now feel this situation should be corrected through the court system as described.

The NRA is fighting for our rights just like Bloomberg is fighting to take them away. Since you are purchasing a gun for the first time I implore you to Join the NRA TODAY.

There is no one that I agree with 100% of the time including my wife but she and I are closely aligned. I have the same issue with the NRA, But they are close enough for me that I will let them use their hammer against my enemy Bloomberg.. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. And I will support my friend

Here is the question, do you more closely align with the NRA or Bloomberg??? Without the NRA I assure you, YOU would not be buying that firearm today

Please support them with your $35 and enjoy your freedom to purchase your firearms because without them Bloomberg wins and you lose.

Apparently I am not speaking to an average firearm owner but one of 5% that is a CCW. That means you have gone through the steps that most don't and you being a 5%'er shoud be one to JOIN the NRA that is trying to protect your rights.

Avoid the 'default' settings in life, Fat Dumb and Poor!!!

09-05-2016 07:17 PM
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Mike0251

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Amen

09-05-2016 09:58 PM
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Jerry K

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I am also sorry to say if you do not join the NRA you will be riding on the backs of those that have.

It is the same situation with the AMA and those that are not members because they feel the AMA doesn't reflect every point 100%. In the situation of the AMA and the NRA both fight for our rights and although I do not agree 100% with both. They will and continue to receive my support through yearly dues in the case of the AMA and a life membership to the NRA.

I have fought for both to sign members up, and will in the future. The difference here is we are in a fight for our lives today that will involve the next 20-30 years.

Avoid the 'default' settings in life, Fat Dumb and Poor!!!

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870heli

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Same here Jerry. And the NRA cost less for a membership. I always thought the AMA was over priced. O-well just keep renewing.
Buz, 870Heli

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