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OK... so why do we have these:

Having a Black Music Festival?
Black Entertainment Television?
NAACP?
Black history month?

(this also goes for Latinos/Hispanics and even Asian communities that have dozens of such racially identified organizations)

If we have services, festivals, award ceremonies, or competitions where only "blacks" or other minorities are essentially allowed to take part in... is that not racist?

if we can have events and services such as those listed above... then by the very nature of what we see as "fair and equal" there should be:

a White Music Festival?
White Entertainment Television?
NAAWP?
White History Month?

I ask this provocative question due to the strange nature of our society and the double standards we live by where this behavior is constantly being reinforced by our very actions to bring forth equality... why do we have to list race or "color" on many state and federal forms? are we not perpetuating the very thing that is dividing us?

Are we doomed to separate ourselves by "color" no matter what we do? Can it be that it is simply human nature to identify ourselves into groups based on belief and appearance which will always lead to some form of racist behavior?

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

08-31-2016 02:02 PM
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GyroFreak

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All very true. The white society is not racist anymore, it is the others that are racists.

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

08-31-2016 02:39 PM
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Lotus7

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Why is black facing racist, but white facing (as in circus clowns ) not ?

08-31-2016 03:01 PM
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RM3

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cause "history" behind it...

Another example: why was the movie "White Chicks" where the Wayans brothers were dressed and made to look like dumb rich white girls not seen as a racist movie?... (it was funny as hell BTW)

what would have happened if you got the Hemsworth brothers Chris and Liam (Thor and Hunger games guys)... to dress up and look like black rappers?... would that not be fair?

now you see my point...

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

08-31-2016 03:11 PM
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newbheliusr

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Same as the N word being ok for blacks to use, but they can call white folks cracker and it's not racist. Don't you know there is no such thing as a racist black person? It's all stupid.

08-31-2016 04:43 PM
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Jgatorman

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Ding ding ding we have a winner! An actual post by newbi that is clear, concise and factually accurate. I commend.

08-31-2016 04:55 PM
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sjgusmc21

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Same as the N word being ok for blacks to use, but they can call white folks cracker and it's not racist. Don't you know there is no such thing as a racist black person? It's all stupid.

Well said Sir.

08-31-2016 05:07 PM
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sjgusmc21

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http://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...nthem-weak.html

And for once, I agree with Trump. You don't like, go find a country that you do like. To think I was willing to give my life for these turds.....truly disturbs me now.

08-31-2016 05:10 PM
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Witch.Duk

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Having a Black Music Festival?
Black Entertainment Television?
NAACP?
Black history month?
I believe the justification for these events is, that for much of its history, the United States did openly discriminate against minorities. This is not debatable.

Personally, I would prefer the pendulum begin to swing back toward the center where these types of events would be viewed in the same light as past discrimination against blacks and people of color.

But as a white guy, I don't feel it's my place to dictate how a group of people who suffered discrimination should conduct themselves.

I do think America has become a more tolerant society, but this election has certainly set us back a few years.

I would like to hear views from minorities here on RR.

Res ipsa loquitur

08-31-2016 05:25 PM
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newbheliusr

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Most of the time, I just enjoy making you guys go nuts. But now and then, I have something to actually say. This has nothing to do with Trump or Hillary. This is a guy who has taken advantage of the best this country has to offer, and then bitches about it. If he wants to make a statement, use some of his money to get his opinion out there. This country does not STAND for racism. But there is racism here. I agree he has a right to voice his opinion. Just like the NFL has the right not to ever see him play again. With everything, there are consequences.

08-31-2016 05:28 PM
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newbheliusr

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I would also like to say that the US is about the ONLY country that has to feel bad for its past mistakes. All you hear black people talk about is slavery. Not a single one of them has ever been a slave. Although they like to talk about how having a job makes them a slave. Well join the big ass club, we all are slaves in that my friends. The term african american to me is unpatriotic. None of these people are from africa. My wife is from scotland, got into america the right way, through the immigration system, and is now an american citizen. Has a job, and pays taxes. She is a scottish american, and that is not debatable.

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RM3

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I would like to hear views from minorities here on RR.
I am a "minority"...
But as a white guy, I don't feel it's my place to dictate how a group of people who suffered discrimination should conduct themselves.
as a "white guy" you should never in any circumstance feel the need to be "guilty" if you have no such ill will or bias towards anybody based on race.

case in point:
Why is it when the news has a story about "blacks" they put some black on to talk about it?...when they have a story about Hispanics, you see some Hispanic guy/girl talking about it... are we all so scared to offend based on identity? that if we are not the same "race" we have nothing to say about what is being done, what can bee seen by all and show the right and wrong based on law and fairness?

We all need to grow up, put our big boy pants on and see what all this BS has done to us.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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2low

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That is not allowed in the PC world. Logic and common sense be damed.

Got to have my cup of heli in the morning.

08-31-2016 06:36 PM
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Witch.Duk

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I don't feel guilty, but I'm not arrogant enough to to believe I can understand how someone feels who is discriminated against.

What minority are you?

Res ipsa loquitur

08-31-2016 06:41 PM
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RM3

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...Hispanic. Educated with three college degrees and Iraq combat Vet...

that puts me in like the minority of minorities...

but really, "what minority are you?"... that should not matter, nor should it ever.
but I'm not arrogant enough to to believe I can understand how someone feels who is discriminated against.
well thats simple... drive yourself into a downtown Chicago 'hood' and see for yourself, walk around, mingle and let us know... Id tell you to go to a bad part of Houston but I figured Chicago was closer

what race we are, what we identify with in terms of race is why we have problems. Our media perpetuates racial divide, our government has classifications further perpetuating division based on "race"... and we as individuals think that identification of what "color" our skin is seems to have some weight onto the value of what our minds are capable of producing...

why must we identify? why is it ok for one "race" to do things one way and not the other? why do we allow ourselves to fall into this trap that benefits no one but the system which does nothing but gain from our inability to unify?

why does anything we say any thing we do, its value based on the color of our skin?

If I apply for a grant at Texas A & M, why does my racial identification have any bearing on whether or not I deserve that grant? Shouldnt my grades determine that?

seems to me that this "divide" will never go away as long as we continue to seek excuses for our individual behavior.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

08-31-2016 06:49 PM
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2low

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As long as you have different races of people wanting equal treatment but yet want to be set apart you will always have racism .

Got to have my cup of heli in the morning.

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RM3

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sadly I think your right.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

08-31-2016 07:00 PM
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Witch.Duk

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I agree, race should not matter. I only asked because you mentioned you belong to a minority.

And you're right, I would not likely be welcomed to certain areas of Chicago, although I have visited some areas of NYC that I expected not be welcome, but turns out it wasn't an issue.

I also agree the media plays a role in race relations. I don't know if it's intentional, but the result is the same. As for the government, we elect people to these positions, so if we don't like the results, we have all the power to change it. It's not quick or easy, but certainly doable.

I did re-read your original post in this thread. I believe many of these events would be considered as much, or more, about culture versus race. Thoughts?

Res ipsa loquitur

08-31-2016 07:57 PM
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... I think the issue is that culture is tied directly to race and vise versa in the minds of those that choose to be part of any such event... so if we dont match up culture wise, we cant identify racially either as what the group deems it to be.

funny story:
My son was singing a song by CHAMILLIONAIRE, "Ridin'"... he was like 10 years old at the time... the lyrics are along the lines of "They see me rollin,They hatin
Patrolling they tryin to catch me ridin dirty...Tryin to catch me ridin dirty"

but my son was singing it as "they trying to catch me white and nerdy"...

I laughed so hard I farted in the car... but it shows how culture and race are somewhat inseparable on many levels... it almost as if we feel that without similar circumstances based on skin color that we can never empathize with another.

when the issue is not circumstance but rather choice in actions...

the events I outlined in the OP I feel further reinforce racial divide... I cannot participate in any of "those" events cause my skin color does not match up...

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

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newbheliusr

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As long as you have different races of people wanting equal treatment but yet want to be set apart you will always have racism .
This is soooo true.

It's a black thing baby. lol

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