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rcheliguymtl

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Montreal, Quebec - Canada

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The last heli I built was a 50 class Jr proposed nex and it's sitting in my room as a display model never been started because it's not possible for me to get to a club field.. I wanna know what's the smallest engine for rc heli I can buy in a kit and can I start it in my backyard? I googled and found 15 class nitro... is that ok?

08-22-2016 02:18 PM
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utahbob

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St. George Utah

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Just my opinion..

But flying any nitro powered model at a park will likely draw some negative attention..get a Cfx 180..best little electric heli ever..so far.

I do a great decending funnel!

08-22-2016 06:57 PM
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rcheliguymtl

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Montreal, Quebec - Canada

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cfx 180 heli

Is the cfx 180 easy to hover? I've only hovered a hiribo 30 class nitro about 8 years ago and it wasn't so easy.. how does it handle in the wind? How long does the battery last? And do I need to be member of ama or can I fly it in backyard/park?

08-22-2016 07:31 PM
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heliraptor10

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kokomo, in-US

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Rcheliguy
These flybarless systems can make it fly as big as you want it to.

It's not just like moving the pushrod into the closest hole.

It's not like having the biggest flybar that will fit.

You can literally pop in a number and make the Heli respond at that rate, and without command it will stay at whatever attitude you put it at.

Edit
Also
Flybarless helis cut right through most wind .

Goblin! where have you been all my life?

08-22-2016 07:55 PM
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Gyronut

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Martinsville In.

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Excuse me but just because it's Tiny doesn't mean it's going to be any easier, in fact it will be much harder to fly.

Rick

08-22-2016 08:23 PM
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banshee rider

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n.e. illinois

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How big is your backyard ?
How close are your neighbors ?
How busy is the park ?
and no the CFX 180 heli is not as easy to hover/fly as a shuttle

ageing is manditory maturity is optional

08-22-2016 08:58 PM
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heliraptor10

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The notion of smaller helis being twitchy little bees on crack is less correct these days.

Of course they can be,
But the right little Heli with the right flybarless can be set up as they say
From mild to wild.

Goblin! where have you been all my life?

08-22-2016 08:59 PM
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banshee rider

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And a 30 size heli set up the same way
will still be easier to fly

ageing is manditory maturity is optional

08-22-2016 09:06 PM
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heliraptor10

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Banshee,

Of course because mass is huge contributor to stability.

But the difference is much lower now.

I flew a 180 with a micro brain and it handled like a 450. A "hands off" hover, no change in attitude, only drifting due to the breeze.

Goblin! where have you been all my life?

08-22-2016 09:19 PM
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utahbob

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St. George Utah

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If you're just starting out

You might want to try an mcpx first..very crash worthy..I find the cfx180 pretty docile in normal mode..I fly mine 3.5 min.

I do a great decending funnel!

08-22-2016 09:40 PM
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ticedoff8

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Morgan Hill, CA. USA

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rcheliguymtl:
I agree that nitro attract the wrong attention at a park or your backyard.
Too noisy and smoky

The small helis have some nice Self Level and Rescue features can help you when you get in trouble.
They are not fail-safe - but they can give you enough time to get your wits about you and get things headed in the right direction.

However, the key to being accepted in a park is being safe with the other people.
You get too close to some kid in a stroller and you become a problem.
No excuses will be accecpted an that is the end of your park use.

You can start with a PC based simulator to get all the orientations and control functionality sorted out and ingrained to muscle-memory.

You can also start out with a counter-rotor heli. These are fun - for a while.

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08-22-2016 10:30 PM
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JuanRodriguez

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The Villages, Florida

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And you don't need AMA to fly in your back yard but highly recommended...

And yes, you would need AMA to fly in a public park, assuming you can legally do so at the park you're contemplating flying at......

Been there, done that and old enough to know better.....

08-22-2016 11:03 PM
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icanfly

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ontario

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your back yard sounds pretty large if your planning a 30 size aka 500 with 425 blades. This is probably the best of both worlds size and can be auto'ed as well is stable compared to a 450 and under e heli. There is a nitro 450 out there and some have successfully converted 450's. The reason the smaller helis are "twitchy" is only because when you stick slam the reaction of a smaller heli is near instant. The larger the heli the slower the reactions to the tx become. Adjusting with lower end points otherwise know as dual rates which limits servo travel/throw can make a smaller heli much slower to veer off into the abyss if you made a mistake.

I say skip the micros as they are a beeyatch to repair, all those very small parts. If you have the back yard a 500 is where you want to start, one that can afford low rpm at first. You want nitro yes? Hirobo still makes helis is all I can say for now. Electrics have knocked small nitro helis off the podium, Avant may still have one though the trend is to 700 everything and os120's, over powered nitro for smack 3d.

A similator? get one and go to town on that since you've been out for so long

08-22-2016 11:26 PM
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ticedoff8

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Morgan Hill, CA. USA

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And you don't need AMA to fly in your back yard but highly recommended...

And yes, you would need AMA to fly in a public park, assuming you can legally do so at the park you're contemplating flying at......
AMA is not required to fly anywhere that does not specifically require it.

Most likely, a local park does not specifically require it.

There may be signs posted that expressively restrict or prohibit the use of any model aircraft.
That just means the city is savi about the general dangers of model aircraft and don't want to deal with the parents of kids that were scared by a model getting too close or actually hurt by one.
Being an AMA member wouldn't get you passed those restrictions.

I am a lifelong member and supporter of AMA and I believe in what they do and how they do it.

But, AMA membership is not a requirement to fly a model aircraft.

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08-22-2016 11:35 PM
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wjvail

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Meridian, Mississippi

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Just about any heli can be flown in a backyard. A few square feet should do...

Watch at YouTube

"Well, Nothing bad can happen now."

08-23-2016 12:31 AM
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RM3

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Killeen, Texas - USA

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havent seen that video in a while...a classic!

my opinion on best backyard setup... after sunset, powerful video projector, California king size white bed sheet, and realflight.

no risk.

showing a preference will only get you into trouble, 90% of everything is crap...

08-23-2016 01:27 AM
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tommytt1

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Mercerville, NJ, USA

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I have a Gaui NX4. It uses an OS .37 and 425mm blades. Cool little heli that descent in the wind and a baseball field should do the trick.

I made a mistake once, but I was wrong?

08-23-2016 01:41 AM
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ICUR1-2

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Ottawa, Ontario

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You need MAAC in Canada to join and fly at a club OR find a large open field. Use google maps, satelite view for your area and scout out the sub burbs look for church parking lots, high schools, soccer fields commercial zones.
If you want to fly your nitro or any heli for that matter.

you may want to find a club just to make friends and maybe find out where else they fly.

spending time, paying attention

08-23-2016 01:57 AM
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gmcullan

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Southbridge, MA

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Check out the Blade 230 S. A nice little machine with a panic bail out feature.

Gerry Cullan,
Gaui 200, 255; T-Rex 250, 450 SE & SA, Mini-Titan, Blade 450

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heliraptor10

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ICUR2-1

At least somebody's paying attention...

Goblin! where have you been all my life?

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