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Richardmid1

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. Your numbers appear to be ok but the 12s setup doesn't break that load down into two packs. So the 12s setup has less "strain" on the packs...
OK one last try. The cells are in series! Hence 12S! What your saying would be true if the packs were in parallel!

ICUR12, A 6s 600 using a 6000mah pack and a 12s 600 using 2 3000mah 6s packs have the same strain on the packs assuming the rest of the heli (apart from motor obviously) and flying style is the same. Use that eCalc if you don't believe me.

Remember we aren't discussing overall current draw here but pack load.

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08-28-2016 07:27 AM
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ICUR1-2

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if you halve the current then you halve the load
otherwise there would be no 12S set-ups and every body would be happy flying 6S on a 600.
From what I remember in 2006 when Align release their 600E people were killing 6S packs and complaining, then people went to 8S -10S and finally after a few commercial plane crashes. it was easier to buy 12S- 2X6s.

Have you tried the comparison on E-calc yourself?

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08-28-2016 01:04 PM
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Ace Dude

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The eCalc data shows 6s configuration requires 36.15% more amperes just to hover.

  

08-28-2016 01:12 PM
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Richardmid1

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That maybe true ace dude but based on what info? What setups? Compared to what? Ladon requires way more data than that or he will jump on you!

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08-28-2016 01:29 PM
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Ace Dude

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That maybe true ace dude but based on what info? What setups? Compared to what? Ladon requires way more data than that or he will jump on you!
The info. you provided in the eCalc setups you used. That's a lot more "strain" on the batteries, and that's just to hover.

  

08-28-2016 01:49 PM
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Ronald Thomas

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The info. you provided in the eCalc setups you used. That's a lot more "strain" on the batteries, and that's just to hover.
+1

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Richardmid1

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Lower disc loading with the bigger blades on the 700. Blades are working more efficiently at hover than a 600.

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08-28-2016 02:05 PM
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Ace Dude

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Strain is strain.

  

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Pistol_Pete

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OHMs LAW...what's that?

Looking at the two ecalc photo posted, shouldn't they both have the same exact information with the only exception of the argument-debate of 6S vs 12S?

Im only posting because Ron did

I know better than to debate with the self proclaimed topic killer. (Not Ron)

Too windy to fly so might as well get my entertainment here instead.

~~Enjoying the hobby one flight at a time~~

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Richardmid1

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. Looking at the two ecalc photo posted, shouldn't they both have the same exact information with the only exception of the argument-debate of 6S vs 12S?
If you did that the 12s setup would have WAY more strain on the packs! You would at least have to change the motor kv!

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08-28-2016 02:41 PM
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Pistol_Pete

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Agree. You would have to double the motor Kv for the 6S.

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08-28-2016 02:44 PM
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ICUR1-2

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OK at least now I know who's having fun

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08-28-2016 02:50 PM
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LaDon

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First off Richard I won't jump on him because he is right. Ok let's look at it this way. A lot of ppl are going 6s on their 450s. 2 reasons. One the get more power for sure that is a given but the second is that on a 3s setup they use usually a 2200 mah pack and get approx 3 min of flight time. Now most are using a 6s 1300 pack and get the same flight time. Sorry bud but Ron and Ace Dude are right that is less strain on the pack. If it wasn't then they would have to use 2200 mah packs to get the same flight time. Problem with your comparison is you are using 2 different size helis with different setup and that is not what they are talking about. But you in you way of doing things want to twist it to your own way instead of looking at it they way they mean it.

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08-28-2016 02:57 PM
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LaDon

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And of course you have to change the kv of the motor that goes without saying. I think I stated that above. The setup has to be effiecent for both to work. The comparison tho needs to be the same size Heli tho.

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08-28-2016 03:00 PM
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Richardmid1

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As requested!!

Same size, weight, motor size, head speed and governor percentage!! Oh look the pack load is actually LESS on the 6s!!!!!

I really am done!!!!!!

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08-28-2016 03:06 PM
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ICUR1-2

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I see what you did there good one Rich

does anyone else see it

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08-28-2016 03:16 PM
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Ace Dude

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That 6s setup requires 87% more "strain" just to hover.

  

08-28-2016 03:22 PM
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Richardmid1

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This topic is about pack load not motor or esc load! Keep up.

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08-28-2016 03:27 PM
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Ace Dude

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This topic is about pack load not motor or esc load! Keep up.
Of course Ohm's law is not wrong!!
Strain is strain.

  

08-28-2016 03:33 PM
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ICUR1-2

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This topic is about pack load not motor or esc load! Keep up.

http://rc.runryder.com/helicopter/t810860p1/

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