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LaDon

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No I won't pm you. I will say it right here as I already have said all this

First I Qoute your video he said. "I am an independent tester for opti power." That is fact don't think that can be disputed at all. At 45 sec left in the video he said "if the battery don't make the c rating it don't get the sticker put on it." Fact he did say that. Now since he tests their batteries and they do sell a 50c battery from what he said there it wouldn't get the sticker if it didn't make it. That is what he is implying. He very possibly can be lying but we have no solid proof of that. I also said if a guy could get ahold of him and have him make a video of one that would be great. Then we know

You twist that into saying that I say there is such a thing. It is assumption not fact. Fact would be the video of a 50c battery. He implied. Thing is until there is solid proof we can't call him out on it

Next you keep quoting ohms law. Now while the ohms law is correct, here is the problem. Not all chargers read the IR the same. I have had I chargers and revolectrix charges and they don't read the same IR on the batteries. Also I quoted battery university saying this. "Discharge IR is not the same as charge IR. It is easier to get the power out of a battery than getting it into one" Now maybe they are wrong and if so prove it. You can't or you won't. First off if it was just as easy to charge as discharge we would be charging at 30c One or the other. Now do I have the equipment to prove or disprove that theory? No and I bet you don't either

Next you twisted watt hours into the 6s 12s debate. Sure when you put 2 6s together. I don't know of too many 550 helis running a parrellel 6s 10000 setup. I fact in 10 years of this I have seen none. Bottom line is tho even tho Watt hours are the same you still cannot get the same horsepower out of a motor on 6s as you can 12s. I don't care if the watt hours are the same it is what can be done with it that counts. Period. A 6s system will not make the horsepower out of the motor a 12s will. Flying for Jesus proved that. Bottom line that is what counts.

I did say I read where there is a test that shows the 50c packs making it. It is in the other thread. But you don't Qoute the whole thing just the one sentence. Just like the politicians. I also after that said I thought the test was bogus and a little fishy. Not sure I bought into that one. Instead once again you twisted it into what you wanted

Also my point on the higher c rated batteries come down cooler. That is fact can be proven easy with a temp gun. Also fact heat kills. That is one of the other points you cannot prove wrong but also won't admit. More than me said that but it is me you went after

Bottom line I don't appreciate my words getting twisted and turned into what you want them to say. I will also say this much too I may have put something in the wrong way but this is my stance on this subject. I think it is clear. Also if you noticed Flying for Jesus made sure with me he understood what I meant before he answered. He didn't just go off the handle like you did and make it just so positive that he knows all like you. We all have a lot to learn on stuff

No personally I don't have a problem with you. Just make sure what a person means before you jump

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09-02-2016 05:49 PM
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Flyin for Jesus

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A 6s system will not make the horsepower out of the motor a 12s will. Flying for Jesus proved that.
That is actually opposite of what I was saying... You can get the same HP out of a 6s system as you can a 12s system.

The reason your 6s 450 flies with more power over the 3s system yet yielding equal flight times is because you are using a LiPo that contains more watt hours ( simply put, more energy )

09-03-2016 05:14 AM
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LaDon

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Yes I understand that. That is the whole point of using it. You can use more stored energy. That is why I made sure and put the mah size up there. My point also being that 550 helis don't run 2 batteries. Maybe some rare ones but for most part they are running 1 6s pack 5000. That is why ppl like them. Instead of using 2 packs like a 700 and getting one flight now they can get 2 flights with the same amount of packs. That is why the comparisons don't work. Yes he is getting the same power maybe but the practical use isn't there. Nobody is doing it. Which brings up a question here. If the 6s 10000 mah set up makes the same watt hours. Which I am not arguing. As the 12s 5000 setups why don't ppl use the 6s 10000 setup if they make as much final horsepower out of the motor as the 12s does? I would think that by using the less voltage setup would be easier on equipment. One thing to remember here in the answer here is nobody is doing that plus I am talking motor horsepower here not just the power out of the batteries. That is another thing that is lost in Richards views which I am not condemning because he was just talking the batteries. Power out of the batteries means absolutely nothing if you don't put it to use. That is why I use the whole senario not just a piece.

So if a 550 uses one battery a 6s 5000 you will not get the power that a 12s 5000 will get. Not according to what you said above in that chart. If I read it right. Richards comparisons of the charts which I can't blow up and read he had the two helis a 550 and a 700 getting the same usable power battery wise on those graphs. Even tho they are real numbers they don't prove anything. Reason being is the motors will only take what they need for that load on the motor at that time. They will never take more than they need. That is why the spikes up and down.

Not trying to argue here but some of this still don't make sense at all

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09-03-2016 06:38 AM
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Flyin for Jesus

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I would think that by using the less voltage setup would be easier on equipment.
A high voltage setup is easier on the components. With high voltage, you use less amps, so you can use smaller connectors, smaller wire, smaller ESC. If you have big wires, connectors, ESC... You will be far from hitting their limits.
One thing to remember here in the answer here is nobody is doing that plus I am talking motor horsepower here not just the power out of the batteries.
Yes, I was talking HP also... Nothing to do with the batteries, 6s setup can make the same HP as a 12s setup.
Reason being is the motors will only take what they need for that load on the motor at that time. They will never take more than they need.
This is absolutely correct. That is why our comparisons need to be the same heli, same weight, blades, pitch nothing can change other than battery configuration. Otherwise if the heli didn't need more HP... It wouldn't use more HP.

In your 450 example. Because more HP takes more fuel, it flies using more HP than the 3s because you added more fuel by using a higher watt hour battery. ( watt hours being the measure of energy contained in the pack )

09-03-2016 03:16 PM
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LaDon

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Ok then flying you don't need to look stuff up on it. Not being a smart aleck here but if it is impractical to do then that makes this whole topic really even more worthless. Bottom line then if is don't make sense to do it it isn't even worth it to discuss it. If that would have been stated long ago instead of someone making it sound like there was no reason to up the cell count this whole subject would have never went anywhere meaningless. Thank you once again. You really shed a lot more light on it there for sure

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09-03-2016 03:58 PM
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Flyin for Jesus

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You're right... No one will ever do a 6s 10000 700 size heli.
3 reasons:
1.) You would need a huge LV ESC ( which no one makes so it would be designed for this only )
2.) You'd lose that slight gain in efficiency
3.) Everyone equates higher voltage with higher power. The consumer at large doesn't understand what we have discussed and would not buy it because they'd think it is weak.

However, 3s and 6s 450s do exist...
People falsely equate more power with the 6s because they think the 6s makes their heli fly faster than their friend's 3s and flies just as long... But the reason it does that, as we talked about, is because it has a larger gas tank ( more watt hours pack ) Nothing to do with the voltage.
The 3s still exists only because people equate 3s 2200 packs with inexpensive and a lot of planes use 3s 2200 packs so there is sharing of packs.
Otherwise, no one would buy 3s 450s because people think they have less HP.

09-03-2016 05:14 PM
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ICUR1-2

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What about 4S 450's

4S1800 -2000 has the most kw/h for weight and size of pack

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09-03-2016 06:00 PM
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Richardmid1

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Same as a 3s 2700 or 6s 1350 or 5s 1600.

60% of the time, it works every time!

09-03-2016 06:04 PM
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ICUR1-2

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3s2700 weighs more then the normal 2200
6S1350 don't work well with 3400kv's
5S 1600 good luck finding them and weighs more

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09-03-2016 09:29 PM
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LaDon

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Well ICUR1-2 that is what really puzzles me now about all this bickering and arguing about this stuff. And I will admit this part I didn't realize. Just how ridiculous the bickering was over this when it is either A not possible to do or B not even something that a person would even do. My whole point is or was let's use real world setups not things that are either not used or impossible or next to impossible to use or that ppl don't use

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09-03-2016 09:53 PM
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All the packs I mentioned and your 4s 2000 weigh roughly the same. Obviously you can't run a 3400kv motor on 6s that goes without saying.

60% of the time, it works every time!

09-03-2016 09:53 PM
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ICUR1-2

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All the packs I mentioned and your 4s 2000 weigh roughly the same. Obviously you can't run a 3400kv motor on 6s that goes without saying
you also cant run on 5S with out buying a motor

We are limited with choices, most motors are 3S 6s 12S applications
of course there are some choices, though not many, with out doing custom winding.

that being said most kits have a specific size of main gear that we have to use when deciding on gearing

now after all that, the models' all up weight comes into play so when I choose a pack size it has to weigh just enough for CG or less

When I made the comparison of going 3S 4S or 6S with a motor swap

I am well ahead by using a 4S

Keep it real
My whole point is or was let's use real world setups not things that are either not used or impossible or next to impossible to use or that ppl don't use

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09-03-2016 11:59 PM
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I think Align need to do more research! This is from their blurb for the 460MX motor:
. 3.Even for the none 3D pilots, 460MX 6S motor utilizes less than 5 amps at hover. Not only does this require smaller C-rating packs, the lower temperature extends the battery life at the same time. Charging time basically is cut in half. These advantages makes this an ideal motor for just about everyone.
Hahaha! Ide also like them to explain why charging time is cut in half?! LMAO!

60% of the time, it works every time!

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